Donald John Trump: 2016 President-Elect

[Danny Franks]

26 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

"I'm told Trump suffers from various cognitive disorders.  Now, I'm not saying he does, but it's what I'm hearing."

A lot of people are saying this. I've heard some of the best people think this is true.... You say it's not? Look, I read it on the internet so, you know... I can't fact check everything.

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You bet they will. who cares about family loyalty when you got to look out for number 1.

The oldies certainly didn't hesitate to sell their grandkids down the river in the UK, when they all voted for Brexit just so the brief feeling of being back in the Empire days could warm their hearts.

[ChristmasJones]

31 minutes ago, Duke Silver said:

"I'm told Trump suffers from various cognitive disorders.  Now, I'm not saying he does, but it's what I'm hearing."

This made me laugh!!

[Toomuchsoap]

14 minutes ago, Danny Franks said:

A lot of people are saying this. I've heard some of the best people think this is true.... You say it's not? Look, I read it on the internet so, you know... I can't fact check everything.

The oldies certainly didn't hesitate to sell their grandkids down the river in the UK, when they all voted for Brexit just so the brief feeling of being back in the Empire days could warm their hearts.

Yeah. It's a fact that the rural areas of both countries skew much older than cities, which is not to say that there aren't any young people out there in the boons, but they're all related to the old farts that'd just as soon they all FOAD - both ways. In any event, both groups, old and young, keep voting against their own best self-interest. "They" say, the people get the government "they deserve", which is too sadly true. Unfortunately, they're responsible for putting everybody else in the same fucking bilge barge that's taking on water from every seam, listing to port with no rescue ship in sight for thousands of miles.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Toomuchsoap

[ari333]

TUBBY! :-)

[Ceindreadh]

1 hour ago, ChristmasJones said:

We all know that there is tons of fake news being circulated daily. And that we now live in an era where facts no longer matter.

What would happen if thousands and thousands of people started sharing posts, tweets, blogs, etc discussing the concern that our POTUS-to-be might be showing early signs of dementia? Speculation. Concern. Not facts. Just concern about his welfare. Concern about his health. A few bullet point lists of the early signs of dementia. A few video clips of him in public. Planting those seeds of doubt. Making things look different than people thought they looked.

It seems like as legitimate as any other thing that is out there.

"Don't you think he looks tired?"

[stormy]

Secret Service to rent a floor of Trump Tower and tubby's going to be the landlord? So there you go brainiacs that thought this scum was your savior. Of course why shouldn't he profit off the rest of us now? He's been doing it for 20 years.

[candall]

1 hour ago, Jediknight said:

If the Republicans allow that, their party is dead.  They'd piss off the AARP and they'd be pissing all over their top base.  Yeah, it's supposed to stick around for those currently 55 or over, but everybody else would be getting screwed, and the AARP and ones who don't get Medicare would be out for blood.

Uh, Kellyanne Conway says DT is going to take a look at Paul Ryan's plan, and other "Medicare alternatives."  Woo-gah.

I'm standing by the endangered species metaphor--elephants won't technically be extinct when they all live in zoo enclosures, either, but it will still suck.

[parisprincess]

I just read the whole New York Times article about what Trump has done/is doing to the people in Scotland. Holy crap! Is no one ever going to stand up to this fuckin' bully on behalf of the little guy? It's getting scary out there, folks!

[Nysha]

On 11/24/2016 at 0:26 PM, stormy said:

NYT 's Maggie Haberman on CNN this morning said his not receiving the briefings is OK till January 20th. For christ's sake, the fucking excuses they make.

The NYT must have taken the media dressing down to heart, since they're now crawling up his enormous a$$.

[Jordan27]

On 11/18/2016 at 8:56 PM, slf said:

And what did the emails show?

That her and cohorts knew those emails were a problem and were looking for ways to get rid of them.

On 11/9/2016 at 10:19 PM, Constantinople said:

Small states are largely ignored anyway since few are swing states.  New Hampshire might be the the only one, and thanks to holding the first primary every 4 years, it already gets enough attention.

That's the point.  NH, Maine, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah were all in the conversation.  In a popular vote, they would never be mentioned.  Why deny them their time in the limelight and give all power to the big states?

 

On 11/14/2016 at 1:09 PM, crayon78 said:

You know what else would help with that? Continued access to birth control.

I think anyone can go to any drugstore or Walmart and get all the birth control they want. 

Does the gov't really need to provide this and why?

[windsprints]

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That her and cohorts knew those emails were a problem and were looking for ways to get rid of them.

They should have just asked Bush. He knows, he got rid of 20+ million.

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Secret Service to rent a floor of Trump Tower and tubby's going to be the landlord? So there you go brainiacs that thought this scum was your savior. Of course why shouldn't he profit off the rest of us now? He's been doing it for 20 years.

Come now, he's going to decline his 300K salary while making the 3 million per year off the rent. He's so altruistic.

[theredhead77]

8 minutes ago, Jordan27 said:

I think anyone can go to any drugstore or Walmart and get all the birth control they want. 

Does the gov't really need to provide this and why?

You can't get the Pill without a prescription or an IUD or things beyond condoms (or foam and the like) without a doctor. If you don't have insurance it's expensive. Cheaper than a baby, but still expensive. Condom's aren't 100%. The Pill isn't just for birth control.

How do you feel about Viagra being covered by insurance (including insurance supplemented by the government)? After all, anyone can order a penis pump (oh, some of which are covered by insurance). Does the government really need to provide Viagra and penis pumps? And why?

[Pixel]

18 minutes ago, Jordan27 said:

I think anyone can go to any drugstore or Walmart and get all the birth control they want. 

Does the gov't really need to provide this and why?

Um, no. Not without a prescription. Many people cannot afford a visit to a doctor because they don't have insurance. This, among many other reasons, is why Planned Parenthood is so important and worth saving.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Pixel

[Shannon L.]

7 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

You can't get the Pill without a prescription

Not to mention the pill is prescribed for things other than preventing pregnancy, too. 

[candall]

Update on the Green Party recount fundraiser:  $5,279,274.41 raised.  Estimated cost for the filing fees, attorneys and recount observers is 6-7M for the three states where "statistical anomalies raised concerns"--Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

The deadline for official filing in Wisconsin was (presumably) met today.

Huzzah!

https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

[Jordan27]

On 11/18/2016 at 9:58 PM, Duke Silver said:

You hit on something here...  Trump supporters I encounter, online & IRL are so damn defensive from the outset, like a child who knows they got caught doing something wrong.  It's striking to me how pretty much all Trump supporters/surrogates I've ever seen on various network shows are angry, belligerent fucks who sneer at everything.

Even now, after victory...they follow the leader (see: the news that Trump is planning a "victory tour" of the states he won).  It's reality tv....or maybe more apropos: like an athlete dancing in front of a vanquished opponent.  It's bizarre, and I think says something about the psychology of these people.  I'm not a pysch expert by a longshot, so what it says, I'm not sure of the clinical way to describe it.

I've only seen plenty of angry libs, antagonistic libs, hateful libs and violent liberal protests. 

Mostly just crybabies because they lost the election.

17 hours ago, theredhead77 said:

You can't get the Pill without a prescription or an IUD or things beyond condoms (or foam and the like) without a doctor. If you don't have insurance it's expensive. Cheaper than a baby, but still expensive. Condom's aren't 100%. The Pill isn't just for birth control.

How do you feel about Viagra being covered by insurance (including insurance supplemented by the government)? After all, anyone can order a penis pump (oh, some of which are covered by insurance). Does the government really need to provide Viagra and penis pumps? And why?

So people are so pathetic they can't go to the doctor.  Really? 

Insurance companies can cover whatever they want.  What gov't insurance are you talking about?

Edited November 25, 2016 by Jordan27

[theredhead77]

1 minute ago, Jordan27 said:

I've only plenty of angry libs, antagonistic libs, hateful libs and violent liberal protests. 

Mostly just crybabies because they lost the election.

Are we upset that a politically inexperienced demagogue and his Christian Extremist Vice President are shaping up to take America right back to the 60s by appointing anti-choice SCOTUS justices and white supremacists to his cabinet? Damn straight. Are we crying? Nope. We are using our First Amendment right to speak out against this. To voice our opinions (which are as valid as yours) and use actual facts (that are not opinions) to defend our points. 

We are also utilizing the protections already written into the law to ensure that every vote was counted and demand protections (again that are written into the law) be enacted.
 

If you can't do more than call people who are protesting crybabies perhaps you should take a high school or community college Civics or Government class to learn how things are supposed to work and more about these protections.

[Jordan27]

12 minutes ago, Pixel said:

Um, no. Not without a prescription. Many people cannot afford a visit to a doctor because they don't have insurance. This, among many other reasons, is why Planned Parenthood is so important and worth saving.

I think the unborn are worth saving.  Not sure PP shares that opinion.

1 minute ago, theredhead77 said:

Are we upset that a politically inexperienced demagogue and his Christian Extremist Vice President are shaping up to take America right back to the 60s by appointing anti-choice SCOTUS justices and white supremacists to his cabinet? Damn straight. Are we crying? Nope. We are using our First Amendment right to speak out against this. To voice our opinions (which are as valid as yours) and use actual facts (that are not opinions) to defend our points. 

Nope, that's all opinions.

[Pixel]

Just now, Jordan27 said:

I think the unborn are worth saving.  Not sure PP shares that opinion.

Well, that's just your opinion, which you are entitled to but I am not required to share, particularly since it is a blanket statement that doesn't begin to cover the complexity of family planning, health, and social issues. The fact is that the pill has nothing to do with the unborn. It prevents a pregnancy from happening, among treating other non-pregnancy related hormonal issues for women.

[Jordan27]

2 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

We are also utilizing the protections already written into the law to ensure that every vote was counted and demand protections (again that are written into the law) be enacted.
 

Didn't the liberal news media and liberals laugh at the thought that illegal voting went on and challenging the outcome was ludicrous?

Now that they lost, liberals want to protest and challenge the results. 

[theredhead77]

1 minute ago, Jordan27 said:

I think the unborn are worth saving.  Not sure PP shares that opinion.

Great, then don't have an abortion (if you're female). If you're male you shouldn't have sex with any woman who shares a different view. Because it's not you decision at all.

And since you believe the unborn are worth saving, what do you do to ensure the abused children, the children in foster care, the loved but hungry children, the loved but homeless children are taken care of? Or does your belief end once it's no longer a fetus and now a legal baby.

[Jordan27]

5 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

 

If you can't do more than call people who are protesting crybabies perhaps you should take a high school or community college Civics or Government class to learn how things are supposed to work and more about these protections.

Well, we have colleges having therapy dogs, coloring, screaming sessions and playdoh for those unable to accept the outcome of the election. 

Sounds like crybabies to me. 

And the protests were staged and not organic.

3 minutes ago, Pixel said:

Well, that's just your opinion, which you are entitled to but I am not required to share, particularly since it is a blanket statement that doesn't begin to cover the complexity of family planning, health, and social issues. The fact is that the pill has nothing to do with the unborn. It prevents a pregnancy from happening, among treating other non-pregnancy related hormonal issues for women.

As was your opinion to be for abortion.

[Pixel]

1 minute ago, Jordan27 said:

Didn't the liberal news media and liberals laugh at the thought that illegal voting went on and challenging the outcome was ludicrous?

Now that they lost, liberals want to protest and challenge the results. 

I don't think anyone is claiming illegal voting happened. I think they are investigating possible hacking into the electronic machines.  There is very little evidence of any actual voter fraud historically at all, but tampering with computers? That's rampant in every industry and throughout the world. Voting machines are not immune.

[theredhead77]

7 minutes ago, Jordan27 said:

Nope, that's all opinions.

Actually, they're facts. But I'm starting to think you're being contrary for kicks, or are a bored troll.

Demagogue - a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/demagogue

Edited November 25, 2016 by theredhead77
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[windsprints]

This week in Donald Trump’s conflicts of interest: What was the president-elect doing this week to possibly make himself rich?

[Jordan27]

3 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

Great, then don't have an abortion (if you're female). If you're male you shouldn't have sex with any woman who shares a different view. Because it's not you decision at all.

And since you believe the unborn are worth saving, what do you do to ensure the abused children, the children in foster care, the loved but hungry children, the loved but homeless children are taken care of? Or does your belief end once it's no longer a fetus and now a legal baby.

The people that have babies are responsible for them.  I take responsibility for the one's I have.

I think it's called personal responsibility. 

[Pixel]

1 minute ago, Jordan27 said:

Well, we have colleges having therapy dogs, coloring, screaming sessions and playdoh for those unable to accept the outcome of the election. 

Sounds like crybabies to me. 

And the protests were staged and not organic.

As was your opinion to be for abortion.

1) Nobody is FOR abortion. Nobody is just willy nilly having abortions for the fun of it or for convenience. Also, abortion accounts for only 3% of what Planned Parenthood does.  97% is women's health issues.  Your insistence on trying to paint these issues with a broad brush and closed mind makes it obvious that trying to argue with you is an exercise in futility.  

[Jordan27]

2 minutes ago, Pixel said:

I don't think anyone is claiming illegal voting happened. I think they are investigating possible hacking into the electronic machines.  There is very little evidence of any actual voter fraud historically at all, but tampering with computers? That's rampant in every industry and throughout the world. Voting machines are not immune.

Well, first it was paper ballots are a problem, then it was chads, now it's computers.

It seems to only be a problem when Dems lose.

And do you think any illegals voted?  And how many?

1 minute ago, Pixel said:

1) Nobody is FOR abortion. Nobody is just willy nilly having abortions for the fun of it or for convenience. Also, abortion accounts for only 3% of what Planned Parenthood does.  97% is women's health issues.  Your insistence on trying to paint these issues with a broad brush and closed mind makes it obvious that trying to argue with you is an exercise in futility.  

Your characterization is a broad brush.  If you wants abortions legal, then you are for it.  And some do have them for convenience. 

Never said anything about the percentage of PP services offered. 

[windsprints]

Newsweek: WHY THE 'POORLY EDUCATED' LOVE DONALD TRUMP BACK

(sorry, the caps are from the site, I cut/paste)

[formerlyfreedom]

Topic please - this is the Donald John Trump topic. The Republican Party and The Democratic Party both have topics to discuss the various party policies in.

[BookWoman56]

Earlier today I read an article breaking down some of Trump's proposed tax plan that will supposedly give the middle class a tax break. Except for many of us who are single parents, not so much, and in fact, the opposite will occur. He intends to do away with the head-of-household tax allowance. One of the examples shown in the article was scarily close to my situation in terms of income, and by its calculations, even taking into account the so-called breaks of his plan, my income tax will actually increase somewhere between $2-3K a year. Now, I am not surprised by this outcome, since it was apparent from day 1 that the purpose of his tax plan was to give tax breaks to the upper 1%, and I figured that with the middle class, it would essentially be a wash. But I have to wonder how many people are going to be completely unaware of this effect on single parents until they actually file their tax returns, assuming Trump is able to push this through. The tax plan will not end up raising taxes for a single parent who pays for child care, but as I'm sure many people can attest, there are many years past the age when a kid needs child care when you as a parent are still having to provide food, shelter, etc. In addition to penalizing single parents, it also apparently will increase taxes for larger families. So, Donald Trump: MAGA for the 1%. For me, that's $2-3K less a year that I will be able to put into the economy directly. But hey, I guess somebody has to pay the extra $2 million or so a year for SS expenses so FLOTUS can stay in NYC and POTUS can weekend there.

[Rapunzel]

1 hour ago, theredhead77 said:

You can't get the Pill without a prescription or an IUD or things beyond condoms (or foam and the like) without a doctor. If you don't have insurance it's expensive. Cheaper than a baby, but still expensive. Condom's aren't 100%. The Pill isn't just for birth control.

How do you feel about Viagra being covered by insurance (including insurance supplemented by the government)? After all, anyone can order a penis pump (oh, some of which are covered by insurance). Does the government really need to provide Viagra and penis pumps? And why?

Exactly. Some women also have health conditions which affects which types of birth control they can use, and, as thredhead77 mentioned above, certain forms of birth control are used, and FDA approved, to treat other conditions.

My doctor already warned me that, even though I have insurance through my company, the cost of birth control is likely to go up and, therefore, it could affect my co-pay or out of pocket expense. I am limited in what I can use due to a rare, neurological condition, and I have to go back to the Mayo Clinic back in my home state of MN (I live in CA now), to be evaluated regularly for my condition and to ensure that I get proper treatment. I had to see specialist there when it came to determining which type of birth control was best for me given the complications associated with my condition and various other factors. Every woman, however, should have a right to choose what method she wants to use. They shouldn't be forced into one over another.

If Trump and his administration want to make it more difficult for people to have access to birth control I just don't think that's right given that, as has been mentioned, certain types help with other conditions. I agree with the quote above in that if they suggested that the cost of Viagra or Cialis or something be increased, they wouldn't stand for it. Same thing with their hair loss medications or whatever. It's such a double standard and one has to look at the full picture, which Trump and his people are not.

Trump is extremely myopic in his "plans" and has no sense of what can happen on a macro level. He is so bogged down in minutia or things that don't really matter, like SNL making fun of him, that he is missing the long term impacts here. He's even missing the short and medium term impacts. The man can't see beyond the next day or two if we're lucky. Even then, he changes his mind. He's a complete fish out of water and deep down, he knows it. He knows he has no business being President and he knows he can't even decide when to go to the bathroom without getting advice from KellyAnn, Ivanka, Jared, Pence, etc. He's freaking clueless, short sighted, racist, misogynistic, homophobic, bigoted, cannot commit to anything, and is prone to throwing temper tantrums like a 5 year old. All of these things make him a danger to himself and others - and the others in this case means essentially the rest of the world. We can only hope he self destructs before he can do too much damage to everyone else.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Rapunzel

[KerleyQ]

6 hours ago, BW Manilowe said:

Trump's Thanksgiving dinner comprised 24 dishes, including a choice/choices from among 6 main courses & 8 desserts (see linked article for the entire list of the family's menu choices). But in what universe are deviled eggs & "tuna martinis" considered to be "from the garden"?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/donald-trump-s-thanksgiving-dinner-featured-24-dishes-n688241?cid=sm_tw

If anyone's interested in comparing/contrasting, I posted the Obamas' last White House Thanksgiving menu in President Obama's thread.

Did I read that right?  We spent $7 million on arrangements/security for his Thanksgiving dinner?  Please, tell me again, GOP, how awful it was when we spent millions on the Obama families vacations in Hawaii.  

Side note: Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that the rather ordinary looking kitchen in that article is part of Mar a Lago?  Where was the gold leaf? Those were plain brown wooden chairs at that table! 

4 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

We all know that there is tons of fake news being circulated daily. And that we now live in an era where facts no longer matter.

What would happen if thousands and thousands of people started sharing posts, tweets, blogs, etc discussing the concern that our POTUS-to-be might be showing early signs of dementia? Speculation. Concern. Not facts. Just concern about his welfare. Concern about his health. A few bullet point lists of the early signs of dementia. A few video clips of him in public. Planting those seeds of doubt. Making things look different than people thought they looked.

It seems like as legitimate as any other thing that is out there.

I'm hearing he's got dementia and a tiny penis.  That's just what I hear from a lot of people.  I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying what I've heard.  

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

The NYT must have taken the media dressing down to heart, since they're now crawling up his enormous a$$.

Fabulous.  Apparently the media is going to go willingly into that abyss.  Can we dust off some of our retired news figures and get them on this shit?  I know Dan Rather has been expressing how appalled he is by the media during this whole mess.  Time to get back in the game guys, we need some reporters who understand the importance of a free press that can't be intimidated by any political figure.  We can't allow the media to just meekly fall into line because they don't like being yelled at by a moldy tangerine.  

[windsprints]

He will likely never address the fact that he is not the people's choice but the gap keeps widening:

 

[Duke Silver]

6 minutes ago, windsprints said:

He will likely never address the fact that he is not the people's choice but the gap keeps widening:

 

Honestly, I don't give a single fuck whether he does (or his supporters for that matter).  I just hope Dems, conscientious Republicans & Independents remember it & can form an opposition with some backbone.

[ruby24]

God, those numbers. This seems so, so wrong every time I look at it. What kind of democracy are we if the person who gets 2 million LESS votes gets handed the presidency anyway?

I wish there was SOME sort of contingency plan in the Constitution for a situation like this, where the gap was this dramatic. Something that said, in the case of a million more votes given to the candidate who lost the EC then...I don't know, some sort of run-off must take place.

[Padma]

3 hours ago, stormy said:

Secret Service to rent a floor of Trump Tower and tubby's going to be the landlord? So there you go brainiacs that thought this scum was your savior. Of course why shouldn't he profit off the rest of us now? He's been doing it for 20 years.

They're renting two floors (there are no tenants on either) and we will be paying Tubby $3 million a year for them.  Because Heaven Forbid he should have to live in the President's House when he wants to stay in Tubby Tower!!! And his security is costing NYC millions, too.  Plus diverting the cty's law enforcement resources that are needed elsewhere (you know, to protect regular people who aren't egomaniacal billionaires.)

Seriously, if the Obama's had decided they wanted to stay most of the time in Chicago--at a cost of $3 million/year just for the housing arrangements alone--how loud would the Republicans have squawked ? I can only imagine how "entitled" and "unpatriotic" he would have seemed. But for Tubby?  ... Silence.

And, yes, a lot of the NYT seems to have gotten the message to play along. A big thank you for Charles Blow for giving Tubby the middle finger in his column! (And for the publisher for still allowing him to do it, despite all the friendly overtures to Tubby--in response to Tubby's completely fake and insincere praise of the NYT as a "jewel" after spending most of the year calling them "liars" and "a failed newspaper that will soon be out of business" and having insulted its reporters personally in the past (Gail Collins, for example, in Tubby's view, has "the face of a dog".)

Ah, but yes. He's such a worthy successor to Lincoln, T. Roosevelt and General Eisenhower.  Keep making America KKKlassy!

[Constantinople]

3 hours ago, Jordan27 said:

That her and cohorts knew those emails were a problem and were looking for ways to get rid of them.

That's the point.  NH, Maine, Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Utah were all in the conversation.  In a popular vote, they would never be mentioned.  Why deny them their time in the limelight and give all power to the big states?

Arizona isn't a small state.  34 states, including DC, have fewer electoral votes than Arizonza.

There are 8 states, including DC, that have the minimum number of electoral votes, 3.  None of them were in the conversation.  They would probably get more attention without the electoral college because then votes of their citizens would count.  Moreover, large states aren't monolithic, so the interests of many voters in large blue or red states are ignored.

Bigger picture, I think everyone's vote should be equal.  I think it's perverse that some votes are more equal than others, and that the argument to maintain the Electoral College is that the needs of the few should outweigh the needs of the many.

[KerleyQ]

26 minutes ago, Padma said:

Seriously, if the Obama's had decided they wanted to stay most of the time in Chicago--at a cost of $3 million/year just for the housing arrangements alone--how loud would the Republicans have squawked ? I can only imagine how "entitled" and "unpatriotic" he would have seemed. But for Tubby?  ... Silence.

I was thinking the other day - Republican voters lost their freaking minds over Michelle Obama talking about how the White House was built by slaves.  They twisted what she was saying and used it as an excuse to rant about how she "doesn't like the White House," bitching about how ignorant and ungrateful she was to live in our White House, etc, etc.  Now, their FLOTUS, the one they've been saying for months will be a classier FLOTUS than Michelle, refuses to even live in the White House.  Not a single peep from that crowd about how ignorant and ungrateful she is to not appreciate the opportunity to live in our White House.  There are definitely two different standards at play here.   

[Nysha]

The meme going around Facebook states that 8 (I think) cities have populations as large as many of the states, therefore, this cities would be the only votes that counted. And, of course, all of these cities are liberal strongholds according to my Republican friends. I haven't actually looked into the veracity of this b/c being given a civics lesson by Trump voters makes me feel stabby.

I think the way to deal with the imbalance between the popular vote & the EC, if we're stuck with the EC, is to stop making the votes a winner takes all. If the votes were given by percentage of winners in each state, Hillary would have won.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Nysha

[ruby24]

6 minutes ago, Nysha said:

The meme going around Facebook states that 8 (I think) cities have populations as large as many of the states, therefore, this cities would be the only votes that counted. And, of course, all of these cities are liberal strongholds according to my Republican friends. I haven't actually looked into the veracity of this b/c being given a civics lesson by Trump voters makes me feel stabby.

I think the way to deal with the imbalance between the popular vote & the EC, if we're stuck with the EC, is to stop making the votes a winner takes all. If the votes were given by percentage of winners in each state, Hillary would have won.

 

That's an interesting idea too. Hmmm.

[windsprints]

It was reported in the news that it would be 1 million per day when he's in town.  Less when its her and the kid only but still 100s of thousands per day.  I wonder if people were to start selling and moving if that would motivate them to go to DC.  Its laughable that he claims to love NY. If he did he wouldn't the city to incur that daily expense. Its absurd. Go to the White House. 

Edited November 26, 2016 by windsprints

[KerleyQ]

I agree.  That could be an interesting way to calculate the electoral votes.  So, for example if you win 60 percent of a state's votes, then you get 60 percent of the state's electoral votes?  

It would be interesting to see how something like that would affect how candidates campaign.  For example, Texas - the Dem candidates typically don't spend much time there.  But, if the percentage was at stake, they'd likely spend more time there, trying to get a decent percentage of the vote, even if they wouldn't get the majority. 

It might also bring more voters to the polls.  A lot of people have the attitude of "well my state always goes this way, so my vote doesn't really matter."  It could essentially make us all "swing states" instead of the intense focus on a handful of states that determine the outcome.  

[BuckeyeLou]

6 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

We all know that there is tons of fake news being circulated daily. And that we now live in an era where facts no longer matter.

What would happen if thousands and thousands of people started sharing posts, tweets, blogs, etc discussing the concern that our POTUS-to-be might be showing early signs of dementia? Speculation. Concern. Not facts. Just concern about his welfare. Concern about his health. A few bullet point lists of the early signs of dementia. A few video clips of him in public. Planting those seeds of doubt. Making things look different than people thought they looked.

It seems like as legitimate as any other thing that is out there.

And his father did die of Alzheimer's. 

[Shannon L.]

There's always Ranked Choice Voting

elections/ranked-choice-voting

If you scroll down the page, there's a link to a video demonstration of how it works. 

[bitchin camaro]

56 minutes ago, KerleyQ said:

I agree.  That could be an interesting way to calculate the electoral votes.  So, for example if you win 60 percent of a state's votes, then you get 60 percent of the state's electoral votes?  

It would be interesting to see how something like that would affect how candidates campaign.  For example, Texas - the Dem candidates typically don't spend much time there.  But, if the percentage was at stake, they'd likely spend more time there, trying to get a decent percentage of the vote, even if they wouldn't get the majority. 

It might also bring more voters to the polls.  A lot of people have the attitude of "well my state always goes this way, so my vote doesn't really matter."  It could essentially make us all "swing states" instead of the intense focus on a handful of states that determine the outcome.  

Exactly. And the thing about the EC is that we really have no idea what the actual will of the people is. If you live in a red state, you've got to love the candidate or love the process to bother getting out there to vote. Same goes for Republicans in the blue states. The fact that half the country didn't even bother to show up is telling. (Although I may be being a little optimistic in thinking very many of those people have ever heard of the electoral college, much less understand how it works.)

[Padma]

1 hour ago, windsprints said:

It was reported in the news that it would be 1 million per day when he's in town.  Less when its her and the kid only but still 100s of thousands per day.  I wonder if people were to start selling and moving if that would motivate them to go to DC.  Its laughable that he claims to love NY. If he did he wouldn't the city to incur that daily expense. Its absurd. Go to the White House. 

Thanks for putting that $1 million per day. I almost wrote that in my post then thought, "One million per day for NYC? That's ridiculous! I must be mis-remembering."  But... $1 million a day was right. And it IS absurd. Trump needs to get his fat, lazy self over to Washington DC once he's president and do the job he TOOK from someone who really wanted it and who wanted to work hard for Americans. 

Staying in Trump Tower just underscores that running his BUSINESS is still his #1 priority. Going to Washington will at least demonstrate he realizes where he needs to be now to serve the American people as their president--not to line his own pockets as Chairman of Trump Organizaiton.

Oh, and to add re: Electoral College win. Trump is saying if it was popular vote-based only, he'd have spent more time in California and New York.

Well, the counter to THAT, is that if Democrats' votes would ALL be counted in the traditionally red states, you can bet that the turnout there would be a lot bigger.

He's an idiot.

[Bronzedog]

I also wonder about the Secret Service guarding Barron and Melanie in NYC.  I assume, but don't know, that the majority of Secret Service people live in the DC area.  So, are they to live in NYC, or, set up second homes in NYC, fly back and forth, or, just be separated from their families when they are working for the duration of this mess?  Their divorce rates should increase.

[BW Manilowe]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

I also wonder about the Secret Service guarding Barron and Melanie in NYC.  I assume, but don't know, that the majority of Secret Service people live in the DC area.  So, are they to live in NYC, or, set up second homes in NYC, fly back and forth, or, just be separated from their families when they are working for the duration of this mess?  Their divorce rates should increase.

The Secret Service, as I remember, is part of the Treasury Department. I think, like the FBI, they have agents all over the country--so they're probably (as far as I know) using agents based in NYC to protect the family. At least right now, since he's not in office yet. But once he & the family get the actual Presidential-specific protection detail, those agents may be based strictly in DC & have to relocate to protect him, Melania (not Melanie) & Barron (at the very least)--while his adult children (Don Jr., Ivanka, Eric, Tiffany), if not his grandchildren, also get protection (as long as he's in office, anyway), they may be protected by agents not attached to the President's specific detail. And I guess their spouses/any live-in significant others in Tiffany's case get protection by proxy (because they live with protected Trump relatives--after all, it's not fair to make Trump's adult kids live apart from their non-protected family for at least the next  4 years). I'm not real sure how protection works for immediate family of a POTUS when those relatives don't live at the White House with the rest of the family.

[izabella]

3 hours ago, Nysha said:

I think the way to deal with the imbalance between the popular vote & the EC, if we're stuck with the EC, is to stop making the votes a winner takes all.

Nebraska and Maine are not winner-take-all states, and do proportional voting.  So it seems that it is possible to split the Electoral College votes within a state, though I don't know how they managed that.  Maybe it's up to each state to decide on how to handle it?