Hillary Rodham Clinton: 2016 Democratic Presidential Nominee

[film noire]

1 hour ago, stewedsquash said:

LOL Well this should make the Hillary clingers heads explode.

What's a "Hillary clinger head"? 

[ruby24]

It bothers me that both Obama and Biden refuse to say a thing about the uselessness of the electoral college. Hillary won the popular vote by MILLIONS. She won more votes than any white man in history. This is unprecedented and it means a ton.

There's no reason for that thing to exist. None.

[NinjaPenguins]

There's still no such thing as the alt-left.

[callmebetty]

1 hour ago, NinjaPenguins said:

There's still no such thing as the alt-left.

Or post truth. I'll never except that as a word. It's called lying.

[sistermagpie]

9 hours ago, film noire said:

What's a "Hillary clinger head"? 

I think the implication is the idea that people who are gearing up to resist the nightmare that is Trump's administration and continue to say he lost the popular vote are obsessed with wanting Hillary to have won.

 

It's true, imo, that many on the left are basically done with Hillary. Not in the sense that she's some sort of pariah (the way, for instance, the right goes after Republicans that step out of line) but that this resistance isn't about some group of Hillary fans who are offended on her personal behalf. They're over her because the election is over and Hillary isn't the symbol of Trump opposition. We have to focus on the actual present now, which means opposing the many terrible things he's doing/are going to do. Biden's not being mean to Hillary by giving his own thoughts on the campaign.

People who hate Hillary, however, are never going to get enough of being anti-Hillary so it's I guess them and the Hillary superfans (who presumably exist somewhere) who still want to focus on her. Them and Trump who wants to keep reliving his victory since for him that was the whole point/end of the story. Hillary herself's kept a pretty low profile which in itself has got to be frustrating for those who things to hate on.

So basically no, the left-leaning side of the country hasn't kicked Hillary to the curb, they just aren't oversensitive to people looking for flaws in her campaign--although they certainly will disagree with them, especially if people seem to be saying she should be more like Trump.

This is, of course, a different issue than people continuing to remind everyone that she won the popular vote. That's not about everyone being loyal to president Hillary but pointing out, accurately, that Trump was rejected by a big margin of voters. He absolutely did lose the election in a very real sense. He continues to lie about it and say he won, and his followers are eager to believe it, but the rest of the country should keep putting the truth out there.

And there is still no alt left.

Edited December 24, 2016 by sistermagpie

[Pixel]

42 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

I think the implication is the idea that people who are gearing up to resist the nightmare that is Trump's administration and continue to say he lost the popular vote are obsessed with wanting Hillary to have won.

 

It's true, imo, that many on the left are basically done with Hillary. Not in the sense that she's some sort of pariah (the way, for instance, the right goes after Republicans that step out of line) but that this resistance isn't about some group of Hillary fans who are offended on her personal behalf. They're over her because the election is over and Hillary isn't the symbol of Trump opposition. We have to focus on the actual present now, which means opposing the many terrible things he's doing/are going to do. Biden's not being mean to Hillary by giving his own thoughts on the campaign.

People who hate Hillary, however, are never going to get enough of being anti-Hillary so it's I guess them and the Hillary superfans (who presumably exist somewhere) who still want to focus on her. Them and Trump who wants to keep reliving his victory since for him that was the whole point/end of the story. Hillary herself's kept a pretty low profile so people have to seek this stuff out to find things to Hillary herself's kept a pretty low profile which in itself has got to be frustrating for those who things to hate on.

So basically no, the left-leaning side of the country hasn't kicked Hillary to the curb, they just aren't oversensitive to people looking for flaws in her campaign--although they certainly will disagree with them, especially if people seem to be saying she should be more like Trump.

This is, of course, a different issue than people continuing to remind everyone that she won the popular vote. That's not about everyone being loyal to president Hillary but pointing out, accurately, that Trump was rejected by a big margin of voters. He absolutely did lose the election in a very real sense. He continues to lie about it and say he won, and his followers are eager to believe it, but the rest of the country should keep putting the truth out there.

And there is still no alt left.

This^^^. I honestly don't care about Hillary at all at this point. I wish she was president, but not because she's Hillary. I wish that because it would mean the bringer of the apocalypse was not our president. I care about the issues that Trump is determined to stomp on. The only place I see anyone dwelling on or obsessing over Hillary is usually the alt-right or Trump cult insisting that's our problem.  

[AntiBeeSpray]

2 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

LOL, #angryclingersclingtotiredButButButpopularvoteTRUMPSelectorvotewhining  #exceptitdoesn'tLOL Good grief even the generic Happy Holiday's is a trigger:

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/12/24/uh-oh-the-fbis-holiday-message-triggers-hillary-supporters-graphic-designers/

It's always been a trigger for the right lol. Seen it on another forum. A member had a cow over a sale being called a 'Holiday' one. I was like, 'Really? Not everyone celebrates the way you do. So Sony's being more inclusive.' But I'm betting that went over their head.

As for Hillary supporters, it's harmless. It's less about the Happy Holidays and more about the use of MS Paint :p.

[Padma]

Hillary's faded away like all good Democrats who lose. And is quietly accepting the sometimes appalling criticisms of people in her own party. As a good little Democrat should. (See: Gore, Al. Dukakis, Michael.  Mondale, Fritz. et al)

One thing I give to Trump--no one, no one! thought he was going away when he lost (and everyone, including Trump himself, thought he was going to lose). He made it clear he would contest the legitimacy of the election, fight for every possible missed vote, rile up his supporters to insist on recounts, and--if the electoral college still made it official--he was going to be out there, possibly on television daily, definitely on twitter and in the media. Probably at rallies as a whole new kind of organized opposition.

He was NEVER going away--and definitely wasn't going to "sit down and shut up".

Was it too much? All the lies about "rigged elections" and all the stoking of supporters under false pretenses?  All the plans to harass and obstruct the new Clinton administration for four years until Republicans could "take back the White House"?

Yes.  But there's something about having fired up leaders that I envy. The Democratic base is trying to be helpful--giving ideas and trying to figure out what to do next.  But Democratic leadership?  They're defending the sanctity of the election (Obama), throwing grenades at Clinton (Biden--that whole "she didn't know why she was running" thing was AWFUL), and making overtures to Trump (Schumer and Sanders.)

And Hillary seems to have gotten the message. "You lost. You're not our leader anymore."

We don't like Trump's methods and style. But would it hurt Democrats to show some fire and STAND UP?  His awful appointments are BEGGING for harsh and sustained criticisms from Democrats in Congress (if not the WH who is still in "unifier mode")--making waves on Sunday news shows and CNN, perfecting those soundbites.

Tweeting--and training the media to pay attention. (Including the word "Trump" in every tweet will help).

Where's the freakin' leadership?  They offered ZERO support for the recounts.  ZERO support for pressuring electors to support the popular vote winner.

They'll wait till the hearings to step up the questions and critcisms and by then--it'll be too late.

[Sheenieb]

4 hours ago, Padma said:

Yes.  But there's something about having fired up leaders that I envy. The Democratic base is trying to be helpful--giving ideas and trying to figure out what to do next.  But Democratic leadership?  They're defending the sanctity of the election (Obama), throwing grenades at Clinton (Biden--that whole "she didn't know why she was running" thing was AWFUL), and making overtures to Trump (Schumer and Sanders.)

All of this. As much as I can't stand this current crop of Republicans, they know when to rally behind each other. We know it's fake and ass-kissy (shout out to Paul Ryan), but they circle the wagons.

Democrats, on the other hand, are way too concerned about being likable. Unfortunately, we're past the point of being mature with Trump and his ilk. For once, I would appreciate a Democrat to have some balls and say straight up that a Trump presidency will be a disaster and they're disappointed in their fellow Americans for falling for a politically ignorant con artist. But nah, instead, they're extending olive branches and side stepping the racism and misogyny that gave rise to Trump.

I like Joe, but this was some fuckshit right here: “They’re all the people I grew up with. They’re their kids. And they’re not racist. They’re not sexist. But we didn’t talk to them.”

Listen, if a KKK endorsed candidate doesn't give you pause, you're racist. Period. If all the horseshit Trump said about everyone who wasn't white, Christian and straight didn't make you go, hold up, this isn't right? Then you're trash, and that's it.  Those people don't deserve to be talked to because nothing you say will make a difference.

In short, fuck 'em.

Let me tackle this bullshit, too: In the campaign, “you didn’t hear a word about that husband and wife working, making 100,000 bucks a year, two kids, struggling and scared to death. They used to be our constituency.”

Was that her fault, though? If the media was more concerned with highlighting Trump's bon no's instead of focusing on the fact that this guy knows nothing, then that wasn't on her. It isn't her fault that people didn't pay attention to what was going on and was so blinded by "making America great (white) again" that they voted against their own self-interest. If you're struggling (is making 100gs really a struggle, though? Minimum wage would've been a better number) and you're scared, why the hell would you vote for the person who's going to gut the services you need to get by? We read about those fools in Kentucky that's scared of losing their insurance because they didn't take Trump seriously, though they voted for him anyway. It wasn't Hilary's job to make people un-stupid. Shit that should've been common sense went over damn near everyone's head.

We always have to have the likeable rockstar candidate, and this is where Democrats fuck up. I proudly voted for Hilary. Was I crazy about everything she's done? No, but I try not to be naive about politicians. Once you start treating them like saviors, or someone out of the Marvel universe, that's when you'll get disillusioned. Besides, there's no way you're going to be in the political game for decades and be squeaky clean. It isn't possible. If you want shit done, backroom deals have to happen. Shouldn't be that way, but politics is a dirty business. You may go in wearing white, but over time, you'll get a ring around your collar.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Sheenieb

[FilmTVGeek80]

7 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

LOL, #angryclingersclingtotiredButButButpopularvoteTRUMPSelectorvotewhining  #exceptitdoesn'tLOL Good grief even the generic Happy Holiday's is a trigger:

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/12/24/uh-oh-the-fbis-holiday-message-triggers-hillary-supporters-graphic-designers/

LOL it really is hilarious that you're talking about the left being triggered by "happy holidays" when it's the repubs and conservatives that got such a bee in their bonnet about the supposed attack on Merry Christmas, including your favorite, the rancid orange one.

As for angry clingers I wonder who it is that keeps clinging trying to make the alt left a thing and trying to make it seem like liberals are the desperate liars when it's the opposite.

Edited December 24, 2016 by FilmTVGeek80

[Rae Spellman]

6 hours ago, Sheenieb said:

is making 100gs really a struggle, though?

Depends on where you live and what you're trying to do with $100K. A 1 bedroom condo in my neighborhood is currently listed at $400K. Rent on a 1br apartment in this same neighborhood is about $1800+/ month. This is in a city that DJT called one of the most dangerous in the world. A city where many parents earning $100K send their children to private school.   

So yes, there are people who earn $100K/year who think/feel that they are "struggling and scared to death." Median income in this city is closer to $60K. Still, 78% of the people in this ethnically and socioeconomically diverse city voted for Hillary. 

The people I know who've acknowledged voting for Trump would have NEVER voted for Hillary. For that matter, I know quite a few people who opted to vote for Jill Stein or who voted but didn't vote for president. A couple of people told me they've hated Hillary since the 90s. Or that she hasn't accomplished anything. Others said they admire Trumps business skills.

Maybe, President Hillary Clinton just wasn't going to happen no matter what she did.  

[film noire]

4 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

not sure if any quoted in the article are alt left

I heard the alt left is the progressive wing of the alt right -- alt. right lefties believe that Mexicans are rapists (but not lazy) blacks are lazy (but not sneaky) Asians are sneaky (but not stupid)  women are stupid (but great punching bags) and Jews are WAY WAY WAY good with the money -- the alt right lefties are making so much progress,  I bet by next year they'll have mastered the cultural standards of the 1920s! 

 

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Listen, if a KKK endorsed candidate doesn't give you pause, you're racist. Period. If all the horseshit Trump said about everyone who wasn't white, Christian and straight didn't make you go, hold up, this isn't right? Then you're trash, and that's it.  Those people don't deserve to be talked to because nothing you say will make a difference.

In short, fuck 'em.

A thousand times yes.  I'm supposed to reach out to people whose mindset is "He talks about molesting women, calls Mexicans rapists, makes fun of people with disabilities, says an American judge can't judge fairly because of his ancestry, says gun owners will kill off his political opponent -- and describes his daughter in sexual terms normally used in the opening line of a Penthouse letter -- YES SIREEE BOB SIGN ME UP!"  It's a waste of time; their vote for Trump alone proves that. 

Edited December 25, 2016 by film noire

[NinjaPenguins]

There is still no alt left. Merry Christmas!

Edited December 25, 2016 by NinjaPenguins

[backgroundnoise]

I don't need to cling to Hilary to despise Trump.

[film noire]

8 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

There is still no alt left. Merry Christmas!

 I went to my front door this morning and oh! I heard the most sour and bitter sound -- like devil tears, like madness run amok, like the choir in Pottersville -- and I opened my door to find a murder of Trump cabinet crows on my stoop, singing their favorite carol "The Twelve Days of Alt Right Post-Truth Christmas". They smelled of the grave and their faces melted like wax -- revealing their true buzzard natures -- as they sang merrily of 12 Trumpers trumping! 7 Con men skimming!  FIVE PUTIN STRINGS!!! --  but you know what amazed me most? 

The alt. left was STILL not one of the gifts the alt right sent to me! Because even in a post truth world, the alt left does not exist.

(Now, everybody sing: "And a gun cartridge in a pear tree!")

Edited December 25, 2016 by film noire

[Pixel]

What would the alt left even look like? I imagine it as a gathering of hippie-types, led by Shailene Woodley trying to get us all to use those deodorant rocks and drink rice milk. 

[kokapetl]

17 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

http://nypost.com/2016/12/21/why-hillary-clinton-is-still-losing-supporters/

Even the moderate left is tired of the extreme left, not sure if any quoted in the article are alt left, being spoil sports. The blame game is even wearing on Hillary's own party now.  Another article, from back in Nov, tells how the above author was correct in her campaign/election analysis:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/11/the-morning-media-profile-salena-zito-saw-trumps-writing-on-the-wall-231399

Murdoch press is not the real press. It should never be believed. WSJ and NY Post are in that category. Also the Washington Times is a far right Moonie newspaper, also not to be believed. 

[Padma]

Communism : Neo Nazis as alt-left : to alt-right.

American lefties (like Sanders) aren't communists.  I cannot say the same for the far right not being Neo-Nazis.

Point? There's an alt-right in America (Bannon himself told us so), but no such thing as an "alt-left".

[navelgazer]

The number of times that it has been necessary here to repeat "there is no such thing as an alt-left" to counter the post-truth assertion of the existence of an alt-left is such a good example of how it became possible for a minority of voters in this country to capture the highest office for a sexist, fascist, racist, homophobic lunatic.  The alt-left talking point creates false equivalence -- they both do it, a pox on both of their houses -- so the KGOPB can obfuscate criticism of anyone or anything right of center. 

[NinjaPenguins]

I have a co-worker who insists that I'm a communist even after I described myself as a democratic socialist. He seriously cannot comprehend that there's a significant difference between the two. You can show him a dictionary, a political theory textbook, or list out your beliefs and get absolutely nowhere. I suspect he needs them to be the same thing because communist packs more of an insulting punch than democratic socialist. As dense and dickish as he is, even my co-worker scoffs at the idea of an alt-left. If commie was a good enough slur in the hippie punching handbook for good Americans like Joe McCarthy, then by gum it's good enough today. Wolverines!!!

And as someone above me wisely said, my feelings about Clinton have no bearing on my loathing of Orange. He could have run against a syphilitic dolphin, a cowboy boot, or a broccoli floret, and I would still not think kindly of him. Hillary is, sadly, not relevant right now. The Niagara Falls of shit that is about to cascade over our country is straight from the withered, yamskin orifices of Orange, though I am certain the citrus supporters want to keep their strawwoman Hillary Clinton in the public consciousness for when that turd tsunami hits the fan. Or Obama will be the scapegoat. Whatever. We see you, GOP.

[slf]

Ultimately, I can deal with Hillary losing because she lost for, essentially, being too moral. We've all seen the breakdowns of Trump voters that have thoroughly debunked the "economic anxiety" myth and revealed instead that 'fear' of immigrants, misogyny, and 'fear' of 'terrorism' were the greatest predictors of support for Trump. The things his supporters needed to hear and be promised in order to vote for HRC are things she wasn't willing to say or promise and I can't be mad about that. In the words of the great Jean Luc Picard, "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." The weaknesses that determined the election were those of the voters, not HRC.

[qtpye]

There used to be a show called "Married with Children".  In the show, the neighbor would unleash a whole bunch of truthful insults about the character and morality of Al Bundy.  Then Al Bundy would counter with "Well, you're fat or you are Ugly" and the audience would hoot and holler for five minutes straight.

For some reason this reminds me of the past election.

[Broderbits]

17 hours ago, navelgazer said:

The number of times that it has been necessary here to repeat "there is no such thing as an alt-left" to counter the post-truth assertion of the existence of an alt-left is such a good example of how it became possible for a minority of voters in this country to capture the highest office for a sexist, fascist, racist, homophobic lunatic. 

I agree. And it's curious to me why those on the "winning" side would waste time trying to stir up trouble on boards like this or post endless comments online about Hillary voters being sore losers. Are they not happy their candidate "won"? Didn't they get what they wanted? Or do they just thrive on hate?

[sistermagpie]

9 minutes ago, Broderbits said:

Or do they just thrive on hate?

Sure do! But then, look at Trump himself doing victory speeches where he goes through every single state to relieve people being surprised that he won--take that Hillary supporters! As far as I can tell his entire presidency is supposed to be more of that--every action sticks it to somebody they imagine is personally keeping them from their rightful throne.

[slf]

12 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

every action sticks it to somebody they imagine is personally keeping them from their rightful throne.

Spitefulness runs deep and this ^ is a huge reason so many voted for Trump. The gloating will be never-ending and when Trump fucks up the excuses will be readily available because facts are irrelevant and accountability is for your enemies.

I hope Hillary finds some way to be a leader for the Democrats. The majority of voters wanted her and god knows we're all going to need her during the next four years.

[SoCal4Us]

^ HRC won 48.2% of the national vote per cookpolitical.com

[irisheyes]

So what's the big deal?  She's out at breakfast, obviously waiting for her companions to join her, and she's doing what every single person in the western world does - check her phone. 

I'm not sure what you want from her.  She's done what every other losing candidate has done in Presidential elections. She's laid low for the most part. Now, we're going to point and laugh because a random photographer caught her alone at a restaurant table. I think it says more about the people laughing at her than it does about her. 

[galaxygirl76]

OMG lady leaves house and does shit! Stop the presses!!

[navelgazer]

I teared up a little.

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North Carolina Christian pastor writes piercing open letter to Hillary Clinton

John Pavlovitz is a unique veteran pastor in Raleigh, North Carolina who has been very vocal about the 2016 election, the misogyny of men like the president-elect, and more recently his admiration for Hillary Clinton. In his most recent open letter to Clinton, he starts off giving thanks to her for the work she’s done for the past five decades, what she accomplished this year, her “dignity in the face of undignified behavior,” her seriousness at the prospect of leading our country, and her campaign of diversity, equality and shared strength — which she ran with grace and continuously reminded us of America’s greatness. He adds Hillary did everything she was supposed to do — everything she was asked: 

You were prepared and balanced and cool under pressure; you knew what you were talking about at every turn.  you saw the big picture, and you knew the countless small details that your opponent could never be bothered with; you endured a relentless flood of misinformation by continually, plainly speaking your truth; you had your character assassinated over and over—and in response you simply showed that character; you shouldered the kind of expectations that no man aspiring to the position has ever had to contend with; you had to be both strong and sensitive, tough and warm, fierce and likable—and you were; you never talked in nonsensical sound bites, never ranted like a lunatic at your detractors, never viciously attacked citizens on social media—and you never stooped to the inhumanity of your opponent.

Giving more accolades, Pavlovitz continues:

Despite the unprecedented viciousness hurled at you, you never responded in kind; you just kept on being decent, intelligent, thoughtful—Presidential. You alone had the experience and the temperament and the maturity to do the job of leading this country. That should have been enough. I’m sorry that it wasn’t. 

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/26/1614654/-NC-pastor-writes-stunning-op-ed-to-Hillary-You-shouldered-expectations-no-male-has-endured

[more at link]

[kokapetl]

I still say she was a bad candidate. Not doing a proper postmortem on her campaign is a huge mistake for the Democratic Party. The martyrish write ups she's now getting are crazy. 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Kokapetl

[Lana X]

I read the clintons will be attending the inauguration. 

I find this particular attendance baffling. I just don't know how anyone (even the obamas) can just attend this transfer of power to a man whose campaign was openly racist and sexist. I realize it will happen no matter what, but by attending, I feel like that is saying "Hey, we're cool with this..."

:-/

[ruby24]

I totally agree. I was aghast to read this. This is normalizing! Hillary, don't do this! She and Bill should stay far, far away from this shitshow.

Is there any way we can flood her with calls/messages so that she doesn't do it?

[backgroundnoise]

I think courtesy does demand attendance, if it the normal practice for the losing candidate(s) to attend.  I hope short, polite applause is the order of the day.

[ruby24]

Just now, backgroundnoise said:

I think courtesy does demand attendance, if it the normal practice for the losing candidate(s) to attend.  I hope short, polite applause is the order of the day.

He doesn't deserve courtesy. This is what I mean by normalizing. He deserves nothing that every other president gets.

[backgroundnoise]

I would hate to give anyone any ammunition to cry sore loser, or in any other way try to paint her and Bill as anything other than gracious and presidential.

I'd love to see a clip of Bill and Barak comparing notes on who performed at their inaugurals.  Hee.

[Lana X]

Just now, ruby24 said:

He doesn't deserve courtesy. This is what I mean by normalizing. He deserves nothing that every other president gets.

This.

If his campaign was not based on openly racist and pussy grabbing rhetoric, I would not have a problem with anyone going. 

I find it hypocritical of people who widely spoke out against Trump to now attend his inauguration. 

so they all attend to what? be gracious? be kind? 

Does that mean they wont ever speak out against him again? or they will? I'm sincerely confused and do not understand it

[fishcakes]

Typically, former presidents and first ladies attend if they're able, and although I personally wish the Clintons, Bushes, and Carters wouldn't this year (and I hope very few of the general public attend either as it will make President Tang insane to see all that empty space on the National Mall), I understand why they feel they have to. They're observing standard protocol, and it doesn't mean they can't continue to criticize him in the future. I think Bush 41 is the only one not attending due to his age and health.

Edited January 3, 2017 by fishcakes

[Lana X]

13 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

Typically, former presidents and first ladies attend if they're able, and although I personally wish the Clintons, Bushes, and Carters wouldn't this year (and I hope very few of the general public attend either as it will make President Tang insane to see all that empty space on the National Mall), I understand why they feel they have to. They're observing standard protocol, and it doesn't mean they can't continue to criticize him in the future. I think Bush 41 is the only one not attending due to his age and health.

I feel like none of this is 'standard protocol' though. I can already see it. Donald trump tweets something offensive or outrageous. Hilary speaks out against it. people will say "whatever. you attended his inauguration. hypocrite. you seemed to be okay then with him...."

I am not Hillary or the Obamas, but god. they are truly better people than a lot of us, because you'd have to put a gun to my head to make me go see that man sworn in. haha

[Sheenieb]

27 minutes ago, Lana X said:

I am not Hillary or the Obamas, but god. they are truly better people than a lot of us, because you'd have to put a gun to my head to make me go see that man sworn in. haha

Same. I get why the Obama's have to go, optically, but if I were Hillary, I would've been on the beach somewhere. Maybe, for extra pettiness, send a postcard. But, I was definitely not having a hand in this shitshow. That unchecked id deserves nothing. If anyone criticized me for not going, I would've posted this on my twitter:

Tell you the truth, that's my response to the racist, dumb trash who voted for Trump. 

... and this is why I'm not a politician. 

[Broderbits]

We all know that if she doesn't go the Dark Side will call it part of some sinister plot, and maybe she's just tired of being a target. I honestly don't know how she endures all the crap that is thrown at her. I'm just a private citizen and my blood pressure spikes merely reading about it.

[BBDi]

55 minutes ago, Broderbits said:

We all know that if she doesn't go the Dark Side will call it part of some sinister plot, and maybe she's just tired of being a target. I honestly don't know how she endures all the crap that is thrown at her. I'm just a private citizen and my blood pressure spikes merely reading about it.

I read somewhere that Trump is still holding forth at length about his victory and how he won the election (leaving out most of the true parts, of course).  I wonder if he'll attempt to do this at the inauguration? Even though he's working with a speechwriter I doubt he can resist being obnoxious. If so, I'd hate to be Hillary sitting through that. 

I do think she has to go, if only to avoid accusations of being a sore loser (though she'll probably get those anyway). Poor woman - she's taken so much shit as it is. There's no real good option for her. 

Edited January 3, 2017 by BBDi

[Sheenieb]

She doesn't owe anyone anything. Bill should've sat this out, too. I watched Obama's inauguration, but I don't remember if John McCain was there. If he was, great, but if he wasn't, that's fine, too. At this point, it's just rubbing salt. Any other Republican I could've stomached, but normalizing Trump's victory? Nah. Let him have his D-list performers.

[Bastet]

19 minutes ago, Sheenieb said:

I watched Obama's inauguration, but I don't remember if John McCain was there.

Isn't she attending with Bill, as former First Lady, as opposed to attending as Person Who Won the Popular Vote But Lost The Presidency Due to Antiquated System of Bullshit?

I'd be fine with the Clintons, Carters, and Bushes sitting it out (the Obamas skipping it would be an even bigger break from the norm; that's in its own category) on the grounds there is nothing normal, routine, or remotely acceptable about Donald Trump being inaugurated president so there's no need to observe tradition by attending.  It would generate an absolute shitshow of bad press, but I'd applaud it.  But, on the flip side, I won't condemn them for sticking with that tradition.  (Assuming it is tradition, because now I'm starting to second guess myself; I know it's traditional for the outgoing President and First Lady to be there, but is it also traditional for the former presidents and first ladies to attend as I think it is?  Off to research ...)

Edited January 4, 2017 by Bastet

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 minutes ago, Bastet said:

I'd be fine with the Clintons, Carters, and Bushes sitting it out (the Obamas skipping it would be an even bigger break from the norm; that's in its own category) on the grounds there is nothing normal, routine, or remotely acceptable about Donald Trump being inaugurated president so there's no need to observe tradition by attending.  It would generate an absolute shitshow of bad press, but I'd applaud it.  But, on the flip side, I won't condemn them for sticking with that tradition.

 

This is pretty much where I'm at. At first, when I read she would be there I was truly horrified. I would much rather all of them sat it out. But I get why they might feel like they can't. I guess their punishment will have to be listening to that bloated orange carcass speak without the added benefit of any real entertainment on hand.

[BBDi]

Maybe Hillary can wear a button saying "I won this popular vote by ~2.8 million" or something. 

If it were me, I'd have to get stinking drunk first to go.

ETA: 

I am really concerned she will be booed and heckled by Trump supporters. These are not classy people and don't know how to behave. 

Also, I totally think she and Bill should have a wine-and-weed party after the inauguration for their friends and supporters. They are going to need it. 

Edited January 4, 2017 by BBDi

[millennium]

4 hours ago, ruby24 said:

I totally agree. I was aghast to read this. This is normalizing! Hillary, don't do this! She and Bill should stay far, far away from this shitshow.

Is there any way we can flood her with calls/messages so that she doesn't do it?

Worse than normalizing, it's legitimizing.   Very discouraging.  Makes me wonder why I bother getting upset.   Probably his minions will spin this as some kind of victory.  See!  Trump can make them eat shit before the whole world, and still they come to honor him! 

And you know, I can't dispute it.

[Chicken Wing]

1 hour ago, BBDi said:

Maybe Hillary can wear a button saying "I won this popular vote by ~2.8 million" or something. 

If it were me, I'd have to get stinking drunk first to go. 

Now I'm imagining drunk Hillary staggering up to the podium and cutting Trump off mid-speech to rant at the world. I think that might be funnier than my previous mental image of Kanye doing it.

[stormy]

^^^ yes!  It's such an Eddie on AB FAB  moment conjuring in my head.

Edited January 4, 2017 by stormy

[BBDi]

13 hours ago, Chicken Wing said:

Now I'm imagining drunk Hillary staggering up to the podium and cutting Trump off mid-speech to rant at the world. I think that might be funnier than my previous mental image of Kanye doing it.

I have this fantasy that Trump will ask Kanye to sing or rap or recite a poem at the inauguration, and Kanye will start his performance and then go off on white people, much to the horror of the assembled crowds. I would love that!

[Lana X]

1 minute ago, BBDi said:

I have this fantasy that Trump will ask Kanye to sing or rap or recite a poem at the inauguration, and Kanye will start his performance and then go off on white people, much to the horror of the assembled crowds. I would love that!

taylor swift would love that too. LMAO