S02.E01: The Adventures of Supergirl

[MarkHB]

When a new threat emerges in National City, Kara/Supergirl teams up with her cousin, Clark Kent/Superman, to stop it. Kara is thrilled to have family in town but it leaves Alex feeling a bit left out. Meanwhile, Hank and Supergirl are stunned by the pod that came crashing to Earth.

[MarkHB]

Promo and Sneak Peek combined (they should have cut it in the opposite order, but oh well)...

[Primetimer]

Are the Harlem villains any match for what remains of the House of El?

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[mtlchick]

"MISS TESCHMACHER!" 

Melissa is the human equivalent of a basket of kittens.  When she's paired with Tyler it's a basket of puppies and kittens.  Totes adorbs all over the place! 

Corben was pretty bland as a villain but hopefully the changeover to Metallo will make him more interesting. 
 

Finally...no matter what the show can do, the scenery just screams "VANCOUVER!" 

Edited October 11, 2016 by mtlchick

[laschifosavita]

Is there a behind-the-scenes reason for Jimmy and Kara to be broken up?  I don't understand why it had to happen so urgently.

[wrongheaven]

Such a fun episode. Tyler Hoechlin was perfect as Clark/Superman. He balanced all the different layers of both personas and made me smile like Cat Grant while doing so. (PS that whole other side of Cat Grant was hysterical and refreshing. I am so glad Flockhart is sticking around). 

I do agree that the dissolution of the Kara/Jimmy 'ship seemed sudden and out of nowhere. I'm guessing they didn't want to weigh down this season with the main character being in a relationship (or it's leaving the door open for her to be in a relationship with Chris Wood when he comes out of his coma). 

So happy the show is back, and thankful the CW rescued it. 

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Finally...no matter what the show can do, the scenery just screams "VANCOUVER!" 

Huh. Funny that this didn't occur to me - maybe because I forgot and wasn't looking out for it. Certain sets didn't seem different to me, but the outdoor scenes didn't strike me as noticeably different. 

 

Also, where's Maxwell Lord? He is back this season, right?

Edited October 11, 2016 by wrongheaven

[Artsda]

I really enjoyed it. 

Loved the new lair, the addition of Superman, Wynn joining DEO.

So glad they got rid of Kara/Jimmy instantly and ended that before it dragged on. Their relationship has been so forced, glad they saw it wasn't working. 

I missed Lord. Especially when thinking he'd probably be one of those people on the plane. 

"We're moving back to Gotham!" I laughed out loud. Especially since Gotham was airing at the same time.

[bettername2come]

The DEO change was the most noticeable. And the lack of Agent Vasquez. She's on on AoS now.

Also, I'm arguing with a friend. That was Brenda Strong not Lynda Carter at the end, yes?

Edited October 11, 2016 by bettername2come

[stealinghome]

Good episode and a very solid soft reboot for the show that did some good character work. It definitely feels like the show has grown into itself and is more comfortable in its own skin—this episode felt surer and more mature (not in tone, just in its control over itself) than any of the episodes last year. Glad to see that the upswing from the end of last season continued, and that the move to the CW HAS helped. I did have to lol though. Forget the new sets and whatnot—the first, surest sign that we’re on the CW? The sleeping Pod-Man just had to be gratuitously shirtless in the DEO lab. That just made me cackle.

Speaking of the network change, the CGI was much better EXCEPT for the last shot of Kara and Clark flying off. That was painfully, atrociously bad. Also painfully obviously mandated by the CW was the Kara/James cooling off. I think the show handled that about as well as it could have—making it part of Kara’s larger life angst—and James was also very graceful about it (that did a lot to put him back in my good books). But you can already tell his unchanged feelings are going to be a plot point later down the road. I’m still firmly sticking with my Kara/James/Pod-Man triangle theory. Making them just friends for the moment, though, is probably not a bad thing.

For the new additions: Tyler Hoechlin was solid as Clark, though I wasn’t as enamored with his Superman. But more than anything, I loved the writing/overall take on the character. No grim and gritty BS here! And the costume looked better in motion, but. But. But those shoulder straps. THOSE SHOULDER STRAPS. Who the hell thought those were a good idea??? They’re terrible! I was cringing in the shot where he was holding up the building and they looked like bad football pads.

I liked Katie McGrath’s Lena Luthor a great deal. She had some real chemistry with Kara (I could practically see the shippers licking their chops as I watched), and I think she’ll be a good gray character and frienemy for Kara (no way will the show keep her as innocent as she was this ep, though I give the show props for subverting my expectations, I totally thought she’d be behind the “assassination attempt”). Her accent is not convincing though; they should’ve just said she went to boarding school in England and let McGrath use her normal accent. Poor Lena; no one came out for her renaming ceremony. Worst attended ever!

So Winn just…hangs out at the DEO and does no military training and dresses like no one else? I’m trying really hard to give the character a chance in a new season but the We Don’t Know What To Do With The Character Fairy is just so obvious.

Does all of the DEO know Superman’s identity? They were pretty freely throwing “Clark” around there, which I wouldn’t expect if his ID was supposed to be super on the down-low. I floved Alex teasing Kara with “your cousin smells so good,” hah. Such a sisterly moment. Alex didn’t have a ton to do this episode, but I liked what she got, and was glad to see that the Kara/Alex bond still seems central. And “Don’t you think you two should talk?” “Apparently you do!” made me lol. Alex and J’onn are so platonically married. Similarly, J’onn didn’t have a ton to do, but I liked what he got, and liked the friction between him and Superman. THAT'S totally coming back later in the season, too.

The best scene of the episode was Cat and Kara’s “dive!” scene. “In order to live, we much keep daring, keep diving” was great. Cat was so intense in that scene; whatever she is working through in her own life is clearly going to be the reason she leaves. Cat pulling out the resume was awesome too—I really just love Cat and Kara’s relationship. Losing CF really is going to be such a huge blow. Cat still has the best one-liners too. “She cries more than Halle Berry at awards shows!”

Not a fan of recycling the “how do you do it all” plotline from early last season--we've been there, done that, it's not new. Nor am I a fan of Kara continuing to be a genderbent Superman. I know she was supposed to be inspired by Clark but that just didn’t ring true for me. It just felt like “look, she’s going to be just like Superman, really!”

The Doctor was creepy as fuck.

Overall, not spectacular, but a good to very good premiere.

Edited October 11, 2016 by stealinghome

[Trini]

Liked this one a lot!

I guess the crossover/'welcome to the CW' party starts early with The Flash in the intro?

Loved the references to the Donner Superman movies.

I guess reporter is a better fit for Kara's other job, but there wasn't any previous evidence that that was what she would want to do as a career.

Speaking of things out of the blue -- I feel like a missed a scene between Kara and James when he was all "something's changed." I mean, it's a literal 180 from the finale last season (and actually, the beginning of the episode). "We're better as friends" -- shut up, show!

Edited October 11, 2016 by Trini

[MarkHB]

9 minutes ago, bettername2come said:

The DEO change was the most noticeable. And the lack of Agent Vasquez. She's on on AoS now.

Also, I'm arguing with a friend. That was Brenda Strong not Lynda Carter at the end, yes?

Yes. 

Spoiler

Lynda Carter is coming in Episode 3.

[CabotCove]

Awesome hour of television. The season is gonna rock. 

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Such a fun episode. Tyler Hoechlin was perfect as Clark/Superman.

?? Like there was ever any doubt ?? 

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So glad they got rid of Kara/Jimmy instantly and ended that before it dragged on. Their relationship has been so forced, glad they saw it wasn't working. 

Likely it was network mandated, with starting over to a new network and all .Its only the start of season 2, they likely just stalled it, otherwise Im calling them out for racism. Hate them or love them, you dont just drop a major subplot like that. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by DCLeague

[mtlchick]

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 That was Brenda Strong not Lynda Carter at the end, yes?

It was Brenda. 

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"We're moving back to Gotham!" I laughed out loud. Especially since Gotham was airing at the same time.

Hee!  I guess with the move to the CW there's going to throw in more Easter Eggs concerning the DC universe and the movies.  

[bettername2come]

2 minutes ago, MarkHB said:

Yes. 

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Lynda Carter is coming in Episode 3.

Thank you! Imdb argued with me.

[quarks]

Yay, Supergirl is back! And still fun! Mostly!

Good things:

1. Cat Grant.  Not just because she said she could see Superman in a threesome. I loved the just dive scene.

2. Superman definitely works better when he's allowed to be lighthearted and fun. Take note, DC films.  And did I detect a hint of the John Williams theme here and there?

3. Liking Lena Luthor so far, despite the occasionally questionable American accent. 

4. Thank you, Supergirl, for jumping so quickly and unhesitatingly into the CW's shirtless tradition! Glad to have you on board! I think you'll like Oliver Queen!

5. Hoping to see more of this Superman/Martian Manhunter tension.

6. Speaking of which, I'm with you, Winn, in having virtually no idea what to call Martian Manhunter. So when this was brought up on the show, I laughed.

7. "We're moving back to Gotham!"  Definitely a safer choice than Star City.

Questionable things:

1. I wasn't the biggest fan of the Kara/James 'ship, but ending it so abruptly felt a bit off to me. You've had a crush on him for an entire season, you finally find out that he likes you back, and then, even as Cat Grant is urging you to just go ahead and dive into the unknown, you decide to step back and just be friends? It wasn't quite the most WTH breakup the Arrowverse shows have had - hi, Arrow! - but it still felt abrupt. 

2. Also not a huge fan of Kara becoming a journalist. Her speech defending journalism was great, but I was kinda hoping she would have her own, different career, not just do what Clark Kent is doing.

3. I guess the mention of Corto Maltese - a fictional location Arrow has used - is another sign that the shows are merging?

Bad things:

1.  Awfully convenient that some steel bars just happened to be lying around nearby so Supergirl could use them to repair a building. I appreciate the attempt to make the heroes think instead of just hold up buildings, but maybe make them think harder? 

2. Liked the evil doctor at the end, but otherwise, seriously boring Villain of the Week. 

[madhacker]

Coma guy had better be Mon-el, that's all I gotta say about that

I had my doubts, but Tyler seems to be the perfect guy to play the Man of Steel. I totally bought that he and Kara were cousins.

So from what I'm gathering from the (very cool) shoutouts, that this seems to be a slight variation of the Donner universe. I'm really hoping here Superman decided not to remove Lois's memories that Clark and Superman are the same person. Speaking of Lois they'd better have her make a cameo at least once this season. Am I the only one thinking Nina Dobrev from TVD  would make a petty good Lois?

Winn working a the DEO at least means he actually will have something to do besides pining over Kara. I'm still hoping he's going to be the gay character.

Also, I'm glad Clark mentioned the female POTUS. I'm so looking forward to seeing Lynda Carter.

[stealinghome]

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1. Cat Grant.  Not just because she said she could see Superman in a threesome. I loved the just dive scene.

omfg, I forgot about that line, but it was GOLD. Solid gold.

One more thing that improved with the network change: the fight scenes/choreography. Alex's hand-to-hand fight with the assassin alone was better than all the fight scenes last season combined. Kara's flight fight scenes were similarly much better.

[mommalib]

8 minutes ago, DCLeague said:

Awesome hour of television. The season is gonna rock. 

?? Like there was ever any doubt ?? 

Likely it was network mandated, with starting over to a new network and all .Its only the start of season 2, they likely just stalled it, otherwise Im calling them out for racism. 

I don't want to be extreme but that's where I was going as well.

[thuganomics85]

I thought it was a pretty good return.  Not familiar with Tyler Hoechlin, but I thought he was a great fit for Clark/Superman, and I already think he and Melissa Benoist play off each other very well.  Also loved seeing Katie McGrath as Lena Luthor, and I can see her being a fun recurring character.  I hope they avoid suddenly making her bad, although I wouldn't mind if she ends up being one of those shades of grey-type characters, like Maxwell Lord is/was (?)  I also like her scenes with Kara, so I'm starting to think Melissa Benoist has chemistry with almost everyone.

Totally knew that Corbin was going to end up working for Lex to kill Lena for trying to change the name.  Lex has a big enough ego that he would so kill his sister over that slight.  Glad Lena shot him, but I'm guessing he's going to get powers for evil now, thanks to this character played by Brenda Strong.

Kara ends it with Jimmy, and I struggle to care.  Sorry, Mehcad Brooks, I like you, but Jimmy's kind of gotten dull now.

Winn joining the DEO was a natural direction, although I'm sure Hank might already be regretting that decision!

I thought they did a pretty solid job a recreating all the sets, and it didn't feel all that different despite the move.  I'm guessing the new DEO headquarters was the biggest change.  Well, that and I'm pretty sure I've seen that warehouse Corbin was in in pretty much every other episode of Arrow and Flash!

I guess this new character Kara found in the pod will be a long term thing, especially since Chris Wood is already a regular.  Good for him, since he was one of the few things about Containment that didn't suck.

I know Cat will only be recurring this season, but I'm fine with it, as long as she is used as well as she was here for the entire season.  Can't believe I disliked her back in the pilot.  I've really grown to enjoy her relationship with Kara now.

Nice start!

Edited October 11, 2016 by thuganomics85

[Trini]

4 minutes ago, quarks said:

7. "We're moving back to Gotham!"  Definitely a safer choice than Star City.

Starling City is trying its best to be the worst city in DCTV, but I'm going to have to give the title to Gotham since they don't even have Batman (yet) to keep things in check.  ;)

[CabotCove]

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I don't want to be extreme but that's where I was going as well.

If they are going to be extreme, which this was, Im going to be as well.

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Nor am I a fan of Kara continuing to be a genderbent Superman. I know she was supposed to be inspired by Clark but that just didn’t ring true for me. It just felt like “look, she’s going to be just like Superman, really!”

This is why they wont be a Superman spin off on the CW or anywhere really, Supergirl already is that "Superman" show, can the speculation over this just die down. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by DCLeague

[quarks]

2 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Well, that and I'm pretty sure I've seen that warehouse Corbin was in in pretty much every other episode of Arrow and Flash!

 

It's also appeared on Legends of Tomorrow, and the basement where Kara "fixed" the building has been on Arrow and Flash. I was just bracing for them to use the Arrowverse's favorite outside staircase, but it seems we've been spared that for at least one episode.

[Sakura12]

That's how you make Superman, DCEU. Superman is fun, goofy and charming, not mopey and depressing. 

This was fun, still cheesy, but I think the move to the CW is helping. The fight scenes look much better. I like what we've seen of Lena Luthor so far. I could see her being Lex's sister. I'm going to miss Cat when she's gone. I just hope she tells Kara that she knows she's Supergirl before she leaves. 

I loved seeing Kal-El and Kara Zor-El together. I also love when Kara talks about Kyrpton and other planets since she was there for 12 years. We can't get stories about that from Clark. 

I don't really care that they broke up Kara and Jimmy so soon. He's boring and kind of useless on this show. That was a smart move on their part. Kara doesn't need a man to feel whole. She's got her whole live ahead of her and is apparently going to age slower as well. 

[Lantern7]

Originally, I didn't think Superman wasn't needed on this show, at least beyond a CGI figure. If you replace "Superman" with "God," the pilot becomes more interesting. That said, I like this Clark. He's not a match for Kara in the adorkable, but at least he's not as grim as Cavil. For now, anyway. Totally expect him to get exiled to space. I don't think the cape straps are a good look.

I'm good with Lena, too. I'm hoping she can bring the moral ambiguity. I'll be good without with homoerotic vibe Clark and Lex had on Smallville.

Awesome that Winn has a purpose now. Ditto with Cat being Cat. Even when she lapses to "Kira," she's still fun to watch.

[Last Time Lord]

Aw, that was fun. Just a huge smile on my face.

I'm so glad Winn is now in the DEO. He just fits there so much better than when he was simply at Cat Co.  So I'm guessing Cadmus will be our Fort Roz, this year.

I would have bet on Jeremiah becoming Metallo. Man gets brainwashed and experimented on to become the living embodiment of the one thing that can harm his adopted daughter. Seemed like a shoo in.

[rtms77]

Really like this opener or at least soft reboot. Clark/Superman was so charming and dorky just like the original movies. And it was so light in National City. Superman barley made a frown.

Liked

The shout outs to the first Superman movie,lol.

Miss Tessmocker, the helicopter scene and Lena repeating the Airlines are statistically safer etc

The two of them actually getting along and encouraging each other

Lena Luthor who seems to be a good gal for now. As for the accent it was kinda explained with her being adopted at four. If she was adopted in the UK, and if the Luthor family stayed there for a few more year before moving back to the US it would explain why she slips occasionally .

Humor was great this episode. This show really gets the geeky, dorky vibe.

Winn is now where he should have been all along. I guess they have abandoned the secret office at Catco?

Didn't like

The new digs for the DEO.  It looks more like a corporate shin dig than a covert office. Heck it looked almost like L Corp, the buildings looks so much alike. Not to mention that won't every one be able to see where Supergirl is disappearing to with it being in the city like that? All anyone has to do is follow her and the DEO gig is up.

The manufactured sudden animosity between Superman Jon Jozzz who never mentioned once that he and Superman had a problem with each other, and that it was all over Kryptonite. Not to mention that Jon did indeed use said Krytonite against Kara the moment she showed up, even though he knew damn well who she was and wasn't hurting anyone.Thus he outright lied to Superman in the episode.

The lame, sudden demise of James and Kara. Don't get me wrong this needed to happen, but you can see it's going to linger and be drawn out. These guys lost all and any momentum last year the moment Lucy showed up and James didn't kick her ass to the curb pronto. The chemistry died that ep and it never really came back between the two of them.And how exactly did Kara change other than be a little lost in the career dept? I think James was feeling left out between his pal Supes and DEO  taking Kara's time up. It looks like he's going to be the superfluous character this year like Winn was last year.

[Delphi]

I enjoyed it a lot. 

Katie'so accent slipped a bit, but she did fine. 

I really enjoyed Tyler's Clark a lot more then I thought I would so I'm counting that as a plus. 

i think I missed Cat most of all.   She's golden and I want to keep her.   She's snarky and awesome.  I don't wanna lose her.

[Lady Calypso]

Excellent premiere episode on The CW, and great season 2 premiere overall. 

What I appreciate is their use of Clark Kent in this episode. They could have overused him, but they didn't. Plus, Supergirl still got the win, not Superman. He was just there to help out. He was light and fun, which was cool. I've never been a Superman fan; I've actually never seen any of the Superman films. I have seen some of Smallville, so I can only compare both versions here. Clark is a good supporting character; I wouldn't want his own show, though. 

I really felt like they threw away Kara/James rather suddenly. I'm not sure what they were going for or why they dropped them; they could have done a better job at explaining why they were suddenly not going to date. I mean, I hadn't been a fan of them as a couple, but I would have liked to see them give it a chance. And...dare I say it, but I actually didn't mind James this episode. But they certainly made it clear that they won't be a couple anytime soon; actually, they convinced me that they could actually never bring them together and it would make sense. They dropped the friends ball pretty hard on them. 

James needs to find a better purpose on the show, especially now that Winn has found his calling at the DEO. 

I liked Lena a lot. I have a feeling her presence will be fun. 

Yes! I knew Winn would join the DEO. He never fit at CatCo so I'm glad he gets to work with J'onn and Alex. 

New sets! Although I am going to miss the BatCave (Oh! I got the bat joke from Kara now! Batman shoutout!) because this new set certainly feels very corporate. 

So, I had a feeling from spoilers that Kara would be a reporter. I must say, I'm not actually happy with this turnout. It's just too typical of a job and it doesn't feel like Kara. I don't know what type of job she'd fit in with, but reporter is not one I'm sure I like. But we'll see. I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.

I am so sad that Calista Flockhart is now a special guest star. I'm definitely going to miss her on my screen every week. Cat with Kara was really great and really strong, and I laughed at Cat's crush on Clark (not even Superman!). 

Man, oh man, I have complained about almost all the fight scenes or flying scenes from the first season. Thank you, CW, for making them so much better. I now don't have to cringe and wait for those scenes to be over.

[Kendra]

I really enjoyed the episode! I was initially worried about Superman appearing in this show and was pretty critical of Tyler's casting, but I will have to eat my words because I loved him in the role. I thought he was really endearing, especially as Clark. He and Melissa were great together on screen. You could tell the characters really cared about each other. 

Cat is the best part of this show imo. I don't know what they are going to do to fill that void when she is gone. She is such a fantastic mentor to Kara and provides good comedy. She's just really great and loosing her is going to be a big loss for the show. 

Winn fits in much better at the DEO even though I found it laughable that he suddenly was hired there (an incredibly secretive government agency) and now apparently knows Kryptonian. They really needed to mold him into the "computer guru/sidekick" of this show, and fast. 

I liked Lena much better than the screeners seemed to. I liked Katie McGrath in the role and I look forward to finding out more about Lena. There is something very enticing and mysterious about the character. I find her MUCH MORE interesting than Lucy ever was. So trading out Lucy for Lena was a definite upgrade in season 2 for me. 

The James/Kara thing is so strange. It really didn't make much sense to have Kara pining after the guy for an entire season, and now when she has the chance to be with him she...doesn't want to anymore?? To me it felt like a scene was missing from that plot and then I remembered the candids of Mehcad and Tyler together filming in Vancouver. We know they filmed something and Tyler was even wearing the outfit he had on in those pictures during one of the scenes tonight. So I do wonder if there was a Clark/James scene that was cut? And possibly it was one that addressed the Kara/James romance more from James's perspective. I also thought it was strange that Alex was even saying Kara wasn't that into the relationship when she told her she was pretending to be excited when she really wasn't. That was a really weird thing for Alex to say after the way she acted last season. 

I love that Chris Wood was paid to just lay there with his eyes closed for an entire episode. LOL. 

All in all, I thought it was an upgrade from season one. I think being on the CW is a much better fit for the show and I look forward to seeing where they go from here. 

[Kromm]

2 hours ago, stealinghome said:

Speaking of the network change, the CGI was much better EXCEPT for the last shot of Kara and Clark flying off. That was painfully, atrociously bad. Also painfully obviously mandated by the CW was the Kara/James cooling off. I think the show handled that about as well as it could have—making it part of Kara’s larger life angst—and James was also very graceful about it (that did a lot to put him back in my good books). But you can already tell his unchanged feelings are going to be a plot point later down the road. I’m still firmly sticking with my Kara/James/Pod-Man triangle theory. Making them just friends for the moment, though, is probably not a bad thing.

I forget. Were all of the shots around the pod rescue transfers from the previous episode or were some of those newly added in?  Because the CGI on all of that looked like total crap. 

I actually thought the Kara/Jimmy thing was handled much worse than I'd thought it would be.  I'd been anticipating exactly what you labeled it--a cooling off, in the form of a "let's go slow and figure this out". Instead what we literally got was Kara in one scene being totally on board, then other stuff having nothing to do with Jimmy happening, then her suddenly Friend-zoning Jimmy retroactively. There was even ostensibly a reason ready and waiting to be utilized, and the show didn't mention it. We SAW a setup for a potential reason in how once or twice (and they could have implied it was more) their dates kept getting put off. But they didn't seem to complete that thought with showing Kara have an actual realization like "why aren't I more upset we're missing these dates?" (she was instead more upset that HE'D be upset) That was their potential reason right there and it never got mentioned. Or it got filmed and stupidly cut (along with at least one scene of Jimmy and Clark having a heart to heart). In fact, it seems like at least THREE scenes got cut, because there's been media mention that Winn actually goes to the DEO after getting fired from CatCo, and we certainly didn't see that happen. 

That business only takes the episode down half a grade for me (so maybe from an A to an A-). A lot because Hoechlin nailed both Clark and Superman, and any of the lameness caused by those clear cuts was done from a whole that seemed very well written BEFORE they butchered it that way. I've now started to hope for a home video/streaming archive released alternate cut of the episode cut to 55 or 60 minutes rather than the butchery caused by taking it down to 42 and a half minutes. 

2 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Well, that and I'm pretty sure I've seen that warehouse Corbin was in in pretty much every other episode of Arrow and Flash!

Also I'm sure we've seen that park (where the press conference was) before (as part of one or more other cities). 

[Kromm]

33 minutes ago, Kendra said:

I love that Chris Wood was paid to just lay there with his eyes closed for an entire episode. LOL. 

There could be a joke in there eventually about his acting (if it goes that way--I mean we don't know yet). 

37 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I liked Lena a lot. I have a feeling her presence will be fun. 

My fear is that they have a tough road ahead trying to decide when (and if) to imply she's shady and when to not do so. 

2 hours ago, stealinghome said:

Does all of the DEO know Superman’s identity? They were pretty freely throwing “Clark” around there, which I wouldn’t expect if his ID was supposed to be super on the down-low.

Oh true. But is that any worse than Kara and Jimmy assuming walking out to a balcony at CatCo is enough for her to (fairly loudly) blurt out talk about her balancing her life between Supergirl and Kara? Or in fact she and Clark both talk about things they shouldn't in the main office space of CatCo, seemingly assuming that because there's nobody within 3 feet that it's all okay.

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[Kromm]

<never mind>

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[secnarf]

I liked it, but I think there was a lot of hype that the episode didn't quite live up to for me. The storyline of the week was kind of rushed and seemed secondary to everything else that was going on, imo. There were some things that I loved, including pretty much every scene with Cat Grant. Also loved how mid-way through the episode she switched from "Kira" to "Kara". I don't think the show will be the same without her.

I didn't think the Kara/James "break-up" was handled very well at all. I didn't like them together, so I'm not too fussed about it, but it really seemed to come out of left field. Good thing James noticed something had changed, because I sure didn't.

They also failed to explain what happened to Winn's job at Catco.

I think the writing/editing needs some work, but overall it was a pretty good premiere.

[VCRTracking]

Fun premiere.

Winn's line about Superman being 12 years older than Kara but not looking it was great.

I thought Lena Luthor was okay. I'm still wondering whether she's secretly evil or just misunderstood.

Loved the family bonding between Kara and Clark.

I'm going to miss Cat Grant.

[Last Time Lord]

I think my favorite moment of the episode was Kara telling the kids she used to help change Superman's diapers, with his embarrassment.

Second favorite was "We're moving back to Gotham".

[rtms77]

DId anyone notice that neither Superman nor Kara bothered to rescue the passenger and pilots on the space ship? LOL I think Superman was going to mention it to her but Kara was so dorky and fist bumping etc that they forgot the whole thing.

[Kromm]

5 minutes ago, rtms77 said:

DId anyone notice that neither Superman nor Kara bothered to rescue the passenger and pilots on the space ship? LOL I think Superman was going to mention it to her but Kara was so dorky and fist bumping etc that they forgot the whole thing.

You mean walk them out of the spaceplane and hand them bottles of water and put blankets around their shoulders or something like that?

I think they established that the thing was down on the ground safely, with nothing on fire, so one can assume those people are fairly capable of pushing a button to open an Emergency Exit door and walk out of the plane themselves. It might have helped set a sense of scale to see the Superpeople interact with the people inside, but given how tight on time the episode was (as illustrated by the several clear cuts made from the episode), I can't really be that upset we didn't see something like that, which wouldn't add anything to the plot.

[Xenith22]

New sets! Although I am going to miss the BatCave (Oh! I got the bat joke from Kara now! Batman shoutout!)

So who else was wondering about what happened to the poor bat that tried to bite Kara?  Can they perform a surgery to give a bat new teeth?

Is Lucy not permanently gone?  I would have thought they would have name dropped her moving on to something else after she seemingly accepted a full time position at the DEO in the finale.

Winn fits in much better at the DEO even though I found it laughable that he suddenly was hired there (an incredibly secretive government agency) and now apparently knows Kryptonian.

I believe that was a development last season.  He learned it for the Indigo incident I think?  Not that him picking it up that quick was not absurd then...it's just not new.

I wonder if Tessmacher was just a name drop...or will she turn out to be a Lex/Luthor loyalist or spy?

I was just bracing for them to use the Arrowverse's favorite outside staircase, but it seems we've been spared that for at least one episode.

I myself am eagerly awaiting Kara's first visit to what is now the only hospital room in the multiverse.

"We're moving back to Gotham!" I laughed out loud. Especially since Gotham was airing at the same time.

How amazing would it be if Gotham were to get these people to appear even as extras at some point?

[Kromm]

12 minutes ago, Xenith22 said:

I wonder if Tessmacher was just a name drop...or will she turn out to be a Lex/Luthor loyalist or spy?

Probably a name drop. Why? Because they clearly telegraphed that Cat isn't simply going to be right off-screen in another part of the building, but that she's going to be taking a sabbatical of some kind. They practically wrote that on Calista Flockhart's forehead. I suspect Miss Tessmacher heads off to wherever Cat is going, because even on sabbatical Cat Grant is hardly going to drizzle her own dressing on her salads!

Unless they go for a "gatekeeper" storyline, where poor Cat has to handle her own dressing drizzling (oh the inhumanity!) and Kara doesn't get along very well with Snapper Carr and can't gain access to Cat because of Miss Tessmacher. Not realizing perhaps, in a wacky twist, that even though the office has glass walls and everyone can see inside, that Cat has secretly gone on an extended vacation and has instructed Tessmacher to carry on like she's still there. Whether or not someone named Luthor (either one) also has hooks into Tessmacher could be a subplot, but it seems a bit too on the nose, so if I were the writers I'd just avoid that. 

Edited October 11, 2016 by Kromm

[VCRTracking]

I'm on J'onn's side when it comes to keeping the Kryptonite for contingency.

[BkWurm1]

1 hour ago, Lady Calypso said:

 

I really felt like they threw away Kara/James rather suddenly. I'm not sure what they were going for or why they dropped them; they could have done a better job at explaining why they were suddenly not going to date. I mean, I hadn't been a fan of them as a couple, but I would have liked to see them give it a chance. And...dare I say it, but I actually didn't mind James this episode. But they certainly made it clear that they won't be a couple anytime soon; actually, they convinced me that they could actually never bring them together and it would make sense. They dropped the friends ball pretty hard on them. 

James needs to find a better purpose on the show, especially now that Winn has found his calling at the DEO. 

--

So, I had a feeling from spoilers that Kara would be a reporter. I must say, I'm not actually happy with this turnout. It's just too typical of a job and it doesn't feel like Kara. I don't know what type of job she'd fit in with, but reporter is not one I'm sure I like. But we'll see. I'm willing to wait and see how it plays out.

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Man, oh man, I have complained about almost all the fight scenes or flying scenes from the first season. Thank you, CW, for making them so much better. I now don't have to cringe and wait for those scenes to be over.

I agree the fights and flying were a lot better but I'm thinking it had less to do with the CW (because the budget this year had to be lower) than that the production crew had a season to learn from their mistakes and some time to review what worked and what didn't.  Unless they just found better people to do the shots in Vancouver.  That's possible.

I see the advantage of Kara being a reporter so she can go and do the investigations herself but it did bug me that we have no reason to think she has ANY training on how to do it.  Maybe we'll find out later she took journalism but dismissed using the degree 'cause she didn't want to just be copying Clark?  I mean, given that Cat marked "reporter" on the resume, she'd know if there was any formal schooling to support it.  Still it was a bit odd.  - Then again so was Cat letting Kara pick any job she wants.  She HAS to know Kara is Supergirl at this point, right?  I mean, the shapeshifting alien had been in the news by then.  She would have had an explanation for how Kara and Supergirl hung out at the same time. 

Now on to the break up.  It was very oddly done and in such a way, I'm really not sure if it's just a stall or a total end.  It sounded like a total end but that doesn't fit how these shows work nor does it at all make sense with the previous season's history.  Maybe the show is doing a wait and see.  They've talked before about writing to what the see on screen.  Maybe they are putting them back to friends so they can see if there is something they can build on (without the triangle mess)

Or maybe they've totally ended any attempt to have Kara dating Jimmy (he's so Jimmy now to me).  Could they be planning on putting him with Lena Luthor but in such a way that Kara is not jealous??  I honestly can't tell what they are thinking.   

I was ALL for it when Arrow stopped pushing the season one love interest but that show at least gave a valid reason and even four years later it's still tangled up with that past (even though she's dead now.  LET IT GO show!)

They almost gave a reasonable excuse with Kara explaining she needs to figure out how to be Kara.  Miss Grant's offer to reinvent herself was a huge life changing thing and it does make sense to me how that could change where she was in thinking about adding a relationship to her life, but they didn't have her say it was the wrong time or that she needed a friend more than a boyfriend right now, she basically put him in the same box as Winn.  And while James didn't look thrilled, he didn't exactly go all out on their date.  Let's stay in and eat take out?  Less than romantic.   

Given how Berlanti and Co usually operate, they are probably doing a wait and see.  IF they see chemistry, then James will have a shot, and if the new guy is embraced by the fandom, then he will probably be out. 

I do think they mishandled the initial romance but I'm having a hard time imagining them doing a better one with the new guy.  Kara is a hard character to write a romance for.  Starting her off as friends with a guy before it turning into a romance still makes sense to me.  And I liked the vibe between Kara and James in the two episodes before Lucy turned it into a triangle.  After that, it never really worked.  Now Lucy is gone.  (Maybe they left her in the underground bunker with the bats)  So are they planning on trying to rebuild the friendship and then take it to a romantic place or are they going to turn James into just a supporting player with no further love interest duties? 

We shall see.  

[TDT]

You see,Zack Snyder? That's how Superman should be portrayed,not like some Batman expy..

And should either Arrow or one of the newer CW shows get cancelled,i wouldnt mind seeing a mid-season replacement Superman series..

Cat doesn't nearly have the vocal range of Gene Hackman when calling for Ms. Tessmacher LOL

[Richness]

Wow! That's the first episode of Supergirl that I really liked. I was very close to giving up on this show after the last season. The only episode I enjoyed was the Falling, due to the Red Kryptonite turning Kara into an interesting person. However, this episode was quite enjoyable. I just hope they can keep it up.

Tyler Hoechlin was fantastic as Clark/Superman. I had a hard time reconciling him from his Teen Wolf days, and I loved him on that show. The shoulder straps are about the only thing that annoyed me. They didn't overdo Clark's klutz routine thankfully.

Loved all the shout outs to the Superman movies. Lots of great humor throughout the episode. Gonna miss Cat's biting remarks, though I will admit they can be too much when they pile a lot of them on.

The only thing that bothered me was the whiplash I got from the sudden end of the Kara/James relationship. I don't recall hating it that much last season, but it would have been a little better to have let it play out over a couple episodes. 

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this show again. Thanks CW!

[bros402]

Very enjoyable episode.

Wynn joining the DEO makes sense and doesn't make sense at the same time. The humor was nice.

[ElleMo]

6 hours ago, bettername2come said:

The DEO change was the most noticeable. And the lack of Agent Vasquez. She's on on AoS now.

Also, I'm arguing with a friend. That was Brenda Strong not Lynda Carter at the end, yes?

Yes,  I saw her name in the credits.  And after several seasons of Desperate Housewives, I would know her voice anywhere. 

[Jediknight]

3 hours ago, Kendra said:

Winn fits in much better at the DEO even though I found it laughable that he suddenly was hired there (an incredibly secretive government agency) and now apparently knows Kryptonian. They really needed to mold him into the "computer guru/sidekick" of this show, and fast.

With how many times he helped them last season, I'd imagine that J'onn, Lucy, and Alex started the process and only needed Winn to accept.  As for knowing Kryptonian, Winn and Maxwell Lord are the 2 smartest people we've seen on the show, and he learned when he had to defeat Indigo.  There's also that this is Winn, so he probably asked Kara to help him out with Kryptonian after that episode.

Tyler Hoechlin is Superman, massive props to everybody involved, you see Zack Snyder and Goyer, that is Superman.  Why can't Cavill get that writing for his Superman?

[ElleMo]

15 hours ago, quarks said:

It's also appeared on Legends of Tomorrow, and the basement where Kara "fixed" the building has been on Arrow and Flash. I was just bracing for them to use the Arrowverse's favorite outside staircase, but it seems we've been spared that for at least one episode.

I'm  waiting to see Lena Luthor's mansion, which would probably be the same as the Luthor Mansion from Smallville and the Queen Estate (Arrow).  We (hubby and I) can also play our "spot the actor from Battlestar Galactica" game.  (Though it has been a few years since BG was on the air so maybe we should start playing spot the actor from Supernatural.)

Edited October 11, 2016 by ElleMo

[Minneapple]

That was way better than anything last year. And I don't know if it's just because of Melissa, but suddenly Tyler Hoechlin appears to be charming and charismatic. Maybe it was just the writing on Teen Wolf. But I really liked him as Superman and I loved him and Supergirl together. I also loved how all the women fawned all over him, because duh. Hoechlin is gorgeous.

I like Winn with the DEO. I actually like that all the changes are abrupt, like let's get to the show we actually wanted to make. Though I will miss Calista/Cat, I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

[ElleMo]

oops double post

Edited October 11, 2016 by ElleMo

[ElleMo]

4 hours ago, rtms77 said:

Liked

The shout outs to the first Superman movie,lol.

Miss Tessmocker, the helicopter scene and Lena repeating the Airlines are statistically safer etc

And don't forget Wynn asking Clark questions about when Lex Luthor started that earthquake

 

4 hours ago, Kendra said:

Winn fits in much better at the DEO even though I found it laughable that he suddenly was hired there (an incredibly secretive government agency) and now apparently knows Kryptonian. They really needed to mold him into the "computer guru/sidekick" of this show, and fast. 

I wondered why that was such a big deal though.  Shouldn't Kara know how to read Kryptonian? It's nice that Wynn can but they could have brought it to Kara for her to read.