Season 4 Discussion

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, sleepyjean said:

LOL, somebody on the lipstick alley board said Anfisa looks like Octomom, and now I can't un-see it.

Now that is disturbing!

[Adiba]

18 hours ago, NoeNoe said:

The skirt on that mid-priced Lexus isn't so bad,  but the bodice is hideous, especially on Anfisa. I know it wasn't fitted for her but it doesn't look to be made for someone with an ample chest. I have a hard time believing she really liked it. She just wanted to see if Jorge would pay for it..and he failed the test. 

I don't think the bodice would be bad on a smaller chested woman -- at least a change from the endless strapless creations one sees--but I do agree that Anfisa probably didn't really like it-- she only wanted to try it on because it was the most expensive. In reality, I could see Anfisa choosing a Pnina Tornai or something that exposes her body ( boobs and butt) to the extent of vulgarity.

[IvySpice]

11 hours ago, sleepyjean said:

LOL, somebody on the lipstick alley board said Anfisa looks like Octomom, and now I can't un-see it.

Oh Lord, that's exactly right. She'll get what she wants, too, no matter who gets hurt.

I speculate that the whole desert camping trip was shot prior to the meltdown/fight at Azan's parents' house. Did anyone notice any dialogue inconsistent with that theory?

I'm still not over Nicole plunking herself down in the PUBLIC HALLWAY to have her tantrum so that everyone had to coax her into the house and beg her to stop crying and feel better. She's like the world's largest toddler.

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, IvySpice said:

I'm still not over Nicole plunking herself down in the PUBLIC HALLWAY to have her tantrum so that everyone had to coax her into the house and beg her to stop crying and feel better. She's like the world's largest toddler.

Thanks  for the laugh! She's like a Baby Hughey of sorts.

[PinkFlamingo]

When I saw Anifsa with the cat I was wondering if she was capable of showing affection to an animal, because Jorge is getting none of it. I didn't see it. The way she was swinging that cat around by the armpits (do we use the term armpits when referencing cats? Lol) reminded me of small children that do not realize you can hurt a cat by the way you hold it. 

I also saw the wheels turning in her head trying to make herself like the 45 k dress that was totally not her style (unless she spent more $$$ to have it modified to show more boob and butt). 

[Arwen Evenstar]

11 minutes ago, PinkFlamingo said:

When I saw Anifsa with the cat I was wondering if she was capable of showing affection to an animal, because Jorge is getting none of it. I didn't see it. The way she was swinging that cat around by the armpits (do we use the term armpits when referencing cats? Lol) reminded me of small children that do not realize you can hurt a cat by the way you hold it. 

I also saw the wheels turning in her head trying to make herself like the 45 k dress that was totally not her style (unless she spent more $$$ to have it modified to show more boob and butt). 

I felt sorry for the kitty too. To match her level of evil, she'd need more of a Mr. Bigglesworth cat.

She just wanted to see if that stupid putz would buy it for her. Her face always looks like a plastic doll that's been squashed. Even when she smiles,she looks like she's smelled a fart.

[Jennifersdc]

I noticed that Anfisa specifically said she didn't want a "poofy" dress. I guess unless it was the most expensive dress in the store!

Who goes into a bridal store and asks what the most expensive dress is anyway? She's a low-class nitwit.

[Pepper Mostly]

6 hours ago, Adiba said:

I don't think the bodice would be bad on a smaller chested woman -- at least a change from the endless strapless creations one sees--but I do agree that Anfisa probably didn't really like it-- she only wanted to try it on because it was the most expensive. In reality, I could see Anfisa choosing a Pnina Tornai or something that exposes her body ( boobs and butt) to the extent of vulgarity.

Anfisa and Pnina were made for each other. I smell a tie-in episode! "Jorge and Anfisa go to New York to shop for dresses at Kleinfeld. Anfisa and Pnina fall in love and run away together. Pnina rejoices that she at long last has a muse who truly embodies her tacky, ostentatious, stripper fairy esthetic".

[spankydoll]

On ‎10‎/‎3‎/‎2016 at 1:07 AM, lallalla said:

Did you catch the in the preview clip for next week that Anfisa tries on a $45,000 wedding gown?! TLC also played the part about Anfisa musing how Jorge promised her whatever she wanted if she came.....good grief, ridic, ridic, ridic.

I really enjoy Afisa. She is giving Jorge no illusions about what he needs to do to keep her in his bed. That is a marked improvement over the other fiancées poor attempts to fake being in love. She isn't a good gold-digger though - the resale on that dress will be 5K max. Not sure about the resale value of the vulgar designer bags either but she needs to change her place of study from the Carrie Bradshaw school of economics.

Nicole is a typical Bradenton redneck gal. He should NOT move there - it's a terrible place.

[magemaud]

2 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

I smell a tie-in episode! "Jorge and Anfisa go to New York to shop for dresses at Kleinfeld.

Oh my, two of my guilty pleasure shows combined! Must see TV! 

[Natalie68]

On 10/11/2016 at 3:30 PM, magemaud said:

She's also way too short for that dress AND a modeling career. 

And her face, with all that bad work, looks like Snoopy from the side.  I am sorry Snoopy.

[mamadrama]

On 10/11/2016 at 0:15 PM, lallalla said:

That jewelry store...I checked out their online inventory and prices, HOLY COW, they have some expensive pieces for how dirty and costume-y they look, wow! Definitely has that "pawn shop" look to them, which I don't know how to explain other than dirty gold, fake-looking gemstones, and cloudy, crappy, cheap-looking diamonds (for the most part, I am sure the site has exceptions).  It just screams "pawn shop style jewelry" to me.

 

How far away do they store their dirty, greasy, road debris strewn tires from the jewelry? Looks like cross-contamination, or just what you'd get when you look at pawn store jewelry.

The Castle (ha ha, as soon as I started writing this a commercial came on for it) is kind of a cheesy, upscale pawn shop. They mostly only sell jewelry, gold, and silver stuff (like platters and things). It's basically a pawn shop because they DO buy stuff from other people but they carry new things as well. 

The big incentive of going to the Castle is that they have several locations in small, Kentucky towns that don't have proper jewelry store. So you can visit a pawn shop without really feeling like you're in a pawn shop. :-) The carpet is plush, the lighting is low, etc. Yet we all know what it REALLY is. 

I don't know if they do it anymore but they used to be a major sponsor of the Miss Kentucky pageant and the winner was the spokesperson for the company for a year. She always appeared in the commercial with her little crown and prom dress. 

I've been there in the past, but won't return on principle. A few years ago we hit a rough patch and I went there to sell some gold jewelry. They bragged about having the "highest prices." They offered me $80. I tried a mom 'n pop place and THEY gave me nearly $500. So The Castle can kiss my grits.

[SneakyCentipede]

On 10/10/2016 at 2:23 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

Anfisa...what can I say? Fake lips, fake hips, fake nips...the only thing real about her is her entitled bitchery.  45,000 bucks for a dress for what will likely be a registry office wedding?

Then her talking head,. "I think he lie to me...he said I could have whatever I want".  Most men are happy to give their wives/girlfriends what they want on the proviso that they can afford it, which isn't always necessarily right now.  She's acting like the daughter of an oligarch, which she's clearly not. And she's using the show to launch a modeling career.  Sorry, Anfisa, you aren't all that. My husband went as far to say that she's not even that pretty to look at and that her fake duck lips really make her look even worse. I can tell you that I'm no raving beauty, either, so if my husband thinks she's gross....

Matt and Alla..I just can't deal with his family and friends. Matt is far too insecure for her. Alla seems to be going through with this to give her son a better life here.  Having been once married to a horrible controlling jerk, I have tended since to pick out beta males, since I found them less threatening.  My husband is gentle and kind, seldom raises his voice, and often prefers to go along with most of what I want to do....he's not a leader or a planner (but I make sure he gets a say in everything) , but we manage to work very well as a team.  Maybe Alla was married to a drunken pig who slapped her around, or he was a controlling jerk. Perhaps Matt makes her feel safe, and he'd likely be able to be a good husband, but he has demonstrated a passive aggressive and unpleasant side of his nature for the cameras, which is a huge red flag.

Nicole and Azan...OMG...whoever said Nicole was Honey Boo Boo all grown up nearly made me spew out my coffee. However since Honey Boo Boo is only like 10 years old, I can't wish the same fate on her that Nicole has experienced.  Just hope that Mama June squirreled away that TLC money so HBB can go to college and not get knocked up at an early age.  Nicole's crying scene with the family was pitiful.  I could see how disproportionately large she was all scrunched up like that. An English speaking relative seems to have finally talked some sense into her, but just when she finally bought off on the holding hands only, he whisks her away to a tent for the two of them.  I can only imagine the drama that comes next week. I hope TLC will update us on the camel.

Pedro and Chantal...Chantal is so shallow and immature, and making poor Pedro complicit in her machinations and leaving him to bumble when he can barely express himself was just...you don't do that to someone you love, mmmmkay? I understand Spanish way better than I can speak it, which I'm sure that's where Pedro is with English.  I think he had to have someone explain the game to him in Spanish and that person was not Chantal. They make a pretty couple, though.  You've got 2 weeks to marry him and your family still isn't in the know? Gurl???

Narkiya and Lowo should be no go.  She seems she can do better all by herself than with that scam artist.  Anyone who wants to get laid that bad can surely find some local action....i can tell you this that if heaven forbid anything happened to my husband or my marriage, I know I'm not going to go that far for a piece of sausage. 

LMAO my husband chimed in on Anfisa too.  He said posting pictures on Insttrgram to lure lonely hapless knobs like Jorge is not a precursor to a legit modeling career. He said "in all honesty, she'll end up on RedTube at best" lol

[Arwen Evenstar]

Matt,

Please take your lady Alla out shopping for some brighter and more cheery clothes. She deserves them. And, it really disturbs me to see her roots growing out.  Take her to a salon for a return to her natural color or redo the blonde. Give this nice lady a spa day. She deserves this!

Me

[Pepper Mostly]

P.S. Or if you are too much of a hyper masculine alpha male to be seen in a women's clothing store or spa, at least ask your mother to take her. Sheesh.

[Drogo]

I can see it now...

Alla:  "Matt, I need to get a touch up so my hair doesn't look ugly/trashy."

Matt:  "You mean so you can make sure you get other men's attention?!"

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, Drogo said:

I can see it now...

Alla:  "Matt, I need to get a touch up so my hair doesn't look ugly/trashy."

Matt:  "You mean so you can make sure you get other men's attention?!"

Hopefully she plans on getting a job when she is able. Then she can pay for her own clothing and hair. 

[DangerousMinds]

16 hours ago, spankydoll said:

I really enjoy Afisa. She is giving Jorge no illusions about what he needs to do to keep her in his bed. That is a marked improvement over the other fiancées poor attempts to fake being in love. She isn't a good gold-digger though - the resale on that dress will be 5K max. Not sure about the resale value of the vulgar designer bags either but she needs to change her place of study from the Carrie Bradshaw school of economics.

Nicole is a typical Bradenton redneck gal. He should NOT move there - it's a terrible place.

Maybe Azan should do some research on Bradenton . . . 

[Kareem]

And a plane, train or bus ticket out.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

46 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Hopefully she plans on getting a job when she is able. Then she can pay for her own clothing and hair. 

It might have to come to that, because she can't be pretty or take any pride in her appearance, so he's keeping her drab, and she's not at all happy about it. Alla is painfully thin as well.  Good to be slim and healthy and more of us should be, but the poor thing just looks gaunt and nervous. Some people refuse to eat when they are stressed or miserable. Matt treats her like a caged bird and she knows that on some level. She probably wonders if she's back in the former Soviet Union wrt to her freedom here with Matt.

[spankydoll]

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Azan is kinda confusing .. im talking with experience  about morrocco and the culture and the religion... men dont usually just anyone to their home to meet their family although if he would have told his family that she had cheated they would not welcome her... 

Then again he got a ring i dont know .. its bizarre their relationship

Possibly marriage means something entirely different in his culture. That it isn't all moonlight and roses but a means to an end for business, property, procreation, etc.  

[Trace]

On 10/3/2016 at 10:29 PM, Sup wit dat said:

I can't picture Anfisa having wild animal sex. Not even for a Chanel bag.   Zombie sex, sure, but not wild animal sex.

Unless Jorge is a complete idiot he'll make a fortune when recreational pot gets legalized in CA.  In Colorado last year sales were like $1billion and CA has a way higher population.  He'll be rolling in the dough.

Me neither!  When I allow my mind to wander to that area, all I can think of is Romy and Michele's High School Reunion.  That scene where Romy pretended to have sex with that mechanic in order to have a sweet ride to the reunion. "OOOOHHH Yes!!!!! Ramon!!" Only Anfisa would not be half as pretentiously excited. To quote Anfisa??  Blah blah blahhhhhh

[Sup wit dat]

I hope this is how the Nicole/Azan debacle plays out:

"Heeey, Azan...it's Nicole.  I'm calling to remind you how much I looooove you! Isn't that sweet of me?  I know, I'm so cute!  My trip home was ok but I'm mad they didn't serve drinks before my meal on the plane! That's the last time I fly Morocco Airlines....".   *beeeep*

"Hi, Azan, it's me again.  Your voicemail must've cut me off.  Anyway, I bet you miss me.  Won't you be glad to get here so we can hug and kiss in public and...".   *beeeep*

"Azan, your voicemail cut me off again!  You better fix that before I...".    *beeeeep*

"Hello, Azan?  I....".  *beeeep*

*This number is no longer in service*

Edited October 14, 2016 by Sup wit dat

[Kareem]

Hahaha   Really!!  Then she'll run out for some fast food and move on to the next guy.  

[DangerousMinds]

I guess she can keep the ring then.

[Baltimore Betty]

Do we even think the ring Aznan gives Nicole is a real diamond?

[magemaud]

Just from the brief glimpse I got of the ring, I thought it was way too big to be a real diamond if Azan had purchased it. 

[Squirrely]

On 10/11/2016 at 6:30 PM, Sup wit dat said:

Yuppers, and she immediately blamed Azan for not explaining the culture to her.  Somehow I get the feeling she's an expert at shifting blame.

Ugh. She's so infuriating. If someone told me I'd be watching this show and feeling more pity for the freaking scammers trying to get a green card than I would their victims, I'd never have believed it.

From the moment she landed in Morocco:

Azan: X, Y, and Z are not acceptable here. My culture is different from America, and only A, B and C are acceptable.

Nicole: Why can't we X, Y, Z?! You're ashamed of me! You're so awful!

Azan: lather, rinse, repeat

Several days later:

Azan's family: Ditto Azan

Nicole: He never told me that! 

Not that there's any excuse for not learning a country's culture before visiting said country. And dear lord I about busted a gut when Azan TH'ed that he said those mean, hateful things to her because it was all he could think of to shut.her.up. Ha! Dude had no remorse there either. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 10/11/2016 at 5:45 PM, 90dayFan said:

 

one thing i haven't seen any comments about regarding Nicole and Azan...right before they met, his buddy was like "Smile no matter what" which made me think he is 100% in it for a green card. His friend was coaching him on how to pretend to be happy even if he didn't like her etc. which made me believe there isn't a chance he really does love or like her...

He is hugely motivated to get that green card, for what reason I do not know .  Is he gay and fearing persecution in his country ? Mom knows and supports getting him out of there ? Then the family ? Crossed my mind. 

On 10/12/2016 at 11:45 PM, Arwen Evenstar said:

Matt,

Please take your lady Alla out shopping for some brighter and more cheery clothes. She deserves them. And, it really disturbs me to see her roots growing out.  Take her to a salon for a return to her natural color or redo the blonde. Give this nice lady a spa day. She deserves this!

Me

+1

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

He is hugely motivated to get that green card, for what reason I do not know .  Is he gay and fearing persecution in his country ? Mom knows and supports getting him out of there ? Then the family ? Crossed my mind. 

+1

That's entirely possible. Considering they allegedly knocked boots the first night, doesn't mean he's not pretending.  I've known several men who married a decent lady, sired a couple of kids, and came out in their 40's or 50's..though they did their best to be a decent husband and father, they just couldn't play it straight anymore.  Or maybe they naively believe that marriage will fix him. So egg him on to marry someone who by the way she looks and behaves at this time, is not boner inducing.

[LocalGovt]

Is the episode here somewhere??? I usually don't need it, but I need a refresher :)

[Meowwww]

There's a marathon on right now in fact!   This episode will be on soon. 

[itsadryheat]

On 10/15/2016 at 9:11 AM, Arwen Evenstar said:

He is hugely motivated to get that green card, for what reason I do not know .

Whatever his reason, he is paying for it! From what we are shown, Anzan is showing respectful restraint. I'm ready to slap the *!*%$ outta that mouthy brat. And I'll save some slap for that smug, entitled ruskie.

[Brooklynista]

I think the photo shoot was the closest Jeorge has ever been to seeing Anfisa naked. Sorry. I don't think she's even let him touch it yet.  My guess is she's been on her period since she stepped of the plane.

[Major Bigtime]

When this is all over, that cat better have a good home somewhere.

Nayika (sp?) is delusional. I want to smack her.

[sleepyjean]

Are you kidding me? This idiot thought she'd get PEDRO do to the explaining? In his broken English? Wow. So cowardly. Way to throw him to the wolves for HER lie.

[Major Bigtime]

Chantal is a trashy excuse for Daddy's little girl, can't even talk to her parents.

[rainnice]

Okay I seriously find it hard to feel bad for Nicole. The looks she was giving him when he is talking about going to the gym. Like girl you're freaking 22 you should not be huffing and puffing walking up a hill. I know it sucks hearing it but hes not wrong. I mean fuck him don't be with him but god damn you owe it to yourself. 

[sleepyjean]

They let Chantel/CeAir off easy. On tv at least. I would love to have a been  a fly on the wall after the camera crew left.

Regarding Anfisa and Jorge, the two of them clearly have no freaking clue what it takes to be a model. They've done no research. It would be so entertaining to have the camera crew follow as she goes from agency to agency, with her sparkling personality and charming ways.

So Azan is one of those geniuses who subscribes to the theory that you can scold/insult someone into losing weight.  Good for him. That approach almost always works. Calling her lazy over and over is particularly effective. I have no love for Nicole, but he was being a real ass.

Edited October 17, 2016 by sleepyjean

[greekmom]

My thoughts:

Oh Jorge. Stupid idiot Jorge.  As soon as I saw him at the beginning sweeping, I laughed my ass off. Didn’t he say he was supposed to make the money while the wife cooked, cleaned and kept house?

I didn’t find anything special about Afasia in her lingerie modelling. She wants to be rich and famous? She should try porn.  Jorge looks like the schlup he is.

Nicole and Azan walking – hilarious. Azan saying Nicole is not healthy and needs to do a lot of workouts – again another lmfao.  Seeing Azan telling her to eat healthy and go to the gym, Nicole had a deer in headlights look.

Chantel and Pedro. Snooze. 

Matt and whatshername - don't care.

The chick that is being catfished. Who cares.

[guilfoyleatpp]

I didn't hear Azan tell her that he wants her to look different, which was her issue. He said he wants to do things with her.

Calling her lazy repeatedly was a dick move, though.

I would be so surprised if Anfisa was actually 5'7". At any rate, she's too short for high fashion modelling. She could model underwear in a catalog, I guess.  Or do nudie pics for men's magazines.

Chantal is a dick...making Pedro explain to HER family why they were lying to them for months?  Uh no.  Run, Pedro!

[Lawyerbelle]

1 hour ago, Brooklynista said:

I think the photo shoot was the closest Jeorge has ever been to seeing Anfisa naked. Sorry. I don't think she's even let him touch it yet.  My guess is she's been on her period since she stepped of the plane.

Is it her "culture"? Russian rhamadan all year long a la Mohammed? Lol

[sleepyjean]

I forgot - Kiya's mom. Beautiful woman, but those contact lenses were....an interesting choice.

[Major Bigtime]

I had to laugh at Jorge sweeping up cat litter and refilling the box. In a hotel, no less. But I worry about that cute ginger tabby.

[Lawyerbelle]

I can't get a read on Azan...does he really like this girl? Is he a master love rat? I do know that when that flap closed on the tent my popcorn almost repeated on me. The thought of them rolling around making the beast with two backs makes me ill...shudder.

[Meowwww]

First dibs on kitty when it doesn't work out!  

[greekmom]

8 minutes ago, Lawyerbelle said:

I can't get a read on Azan...does he really like this girl? Is he a master love rat? I do know that when that flap closed on the tent my popcorn almost repeated on me. The thought of them rolling around making the beast with two backs makes me ill...shudder.

Oh my gawd. I spit my coke out laughing!

[LGGirl]

1 hour ago, Brooklynista said:

I think the photo shoot was the closest Jeorge has ever been to seeing Anfisa naked. Sorry. I don't think she's even let him touch it yet.  My guess is she's been on her period since she stepped of the plane.

Jorge is what we use to call a putz. But it's the price you pay when you order a girl for her looks.  

Anfisa was meant for porn.  But then I'd put money she's made a porno already. 

[Adeejay]

Anfisa isn't half as beautiful as she thinks she is.  She has really bad skin.  When she was having her make-up applied, I noticed that she has some huge pot marks.  She is no where near 5' 7"; more like 5' 4".

Chantel totally threw Pedro under the bus.   I have a feeling all heck broke loose after the cameras left. 

I wonder how much it is going to cost Narkiya in order for Lowo to get that police report.  What a con artist!

[Sup wit dat]

Bwahahaha When Anfisa and Jorge walked into the photography studio did she REALLY say, "Who's that gorgeous girl there? And it's a mirror and it's me."  I couldn't stop laughing!  And next episode Jorge asks her if she's only with him because he buys her things.  Wtf, she's been honest about that from the beginning so we know he doesn't care about that, he just got the wakeup call that her modeling career will bring in other guys that he can't compete with.  It's so obvious what's really going through his head.  PSA Jorge:  money can't buy you love.

Chantel and Pedro...huh?  I'm still confused about why she lied in the first place.  She's got the most friggin' awesome family ever to be on this show and she lied to them.  Just...huh?

Nicole said, "the camel ride sucks."  Did she ever consider how it was for the camel?  Azan never says anything positive about Nicole.  He says he loves her but then doesn't seem to like anything about her (unless they're editing it out?). If he keeps pushing the exercise regiment I'm pretty sure Nicole will change her mind about marrying him cuz I bet the only thing Nicole hates more than being single is the gym. The look on her face said it all when Azan told her she needs to change to a healthier lifestyle.  You'd think he just told her to jump in a pit of rattlesnakes, lol!  Careful, Azan, or you're gonna lose that green card!

Narkyia, ain't gonna happen.

Alla, I hope it ain't gonna happen but it looks like they're really gonna go through with it.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Sup wit dat