Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Cherrio]

Jesus take the wheel. I'd trust my ten year old nephew to deliver my baby before I'd let Jill Duggar anywhere near my lady parts. Let's collectively pray she doesn't kill some unsuspecting Honduran with her lack of real training.

I wouldn't let Jill deliver my take-out meal.

[JoanArc]

[kandinski]

I said from the word go Dullrick was a piece of s***,he just went about snagging a duggar vagina in a craftier way.

[Churchhoney]

Sadly I suspect you're right - at least that was always my mother's contention about her cousins fundie-ing around a midsized city in their frumpers.  (In the meanwhile, other more worldly family members, thought the frumpers were leading to some weird behavior where shop clerks treated them like Amish.)  

 

But it is incomprehensible to me that any human being could be that self satisfied.

 

I believe and trust those of you who say it could happen; I just don't believe their minds can work that way.  How do they think that people admiringly think "Wow, look at those modest girls", instead of "hey, look at the freaks with skirts over their toes and turtlenecks on in mid-summer"?  

 

Why would Duggars think anyone wants their kid to emulate the counter-licker?  

 

Because I'm absolutely sure that is the point of a "good Christian example", making people think "I want to be like you"; and verily, even stop you in the hall/street to say "How do I get to be more like you?  What makes you different?"

 

Making people want to run a mile from you and your freakishness, does nothing for the Christian soldiers.

 

Well, they've sure got pretty many leghumpers online who say over and over that they want to be just like them and that they admire the heck out of them. And I guess those people have seen the same stuff that we have. I don't get it either, but I think all those testimonials from the fans probably have done quite a bit to solidify the Duggars' view that they're inspirational and that people find them worth emulating.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Zella]

Well I can't decide if this is horrifying or if I'm just glad she's not pregnant.

My thoughts exactly. I was certain it was going to be a pregnancy announcement. Glad it wasn't because I just really don't believe they need to be adding another child to their family this soon, for medical and psychological reasons, but I don't think Jill is remotely ready to be a midwife.

[3girlsforus]

My thoughts exactly. I was certain it was going to be a pregnancy announcement. Glad it wasn't because I just really don't believe they need to be adding another child to their family this soon, for medical and psychological reasons, but I don't think Jill is remotely ready to be a midwife.

Yea - I think this is one of those situations where both possibilities are equally horrible and maybe we should hope this is the only one of the two to actually happen.

[duggarshow]

Here's the blog post. She is now a CPM, or lay midwife. 

 

http://www.dillardfamily.com/2015/9/it-s-official

 

eta: Wow, Derick. That's one hell of a condescending ending to the post. Not the way to gain members for God's Army, to be sure. Eff you. 

 

Congratulations, Jill!! Woo Hoo!!!

[Quof]

Jesus take the wheel.

 

Or, as we like to say, For Christ's sake, would you drive????

[Sew Sumi]

I wouldn't let Jill deliver my take-out meal.

AMEN! Girlfriend showed her horrific decision-making skills during her labor with Izzy. She's very lucky that everything turned out okay. Next time may not go so well.

 

It also occurred to me that she will likely now be the attending at Jessa's delivery. Oh dear, that has disaster written all over it. 

Edited September 19, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[Zella]

Yea - I think this is one of those situations where both possibilities are equally horrible and maybe we should hope this is the only one of the two to actually happen.

So true!

[Liz Tudor]

Yeah, uh, this is gonna give me nightmares this weekend. I get the meme, but what the holy heck is that drawing from??? Who did it (leghumper?) and WHY???

[JennyMominFL]

This is one of the few things I give them a pass on. Doesn't every religion believe it's the correct one?

NO. Judaism teaches that Judaism is right for Jews. Non -Jews do not need to be Jewish and are even  discouraged from converting. Judiasm does not teach that the only moral way to be is through Judaism. Buddhism and HInduism are also welcoming of other religions and dieties.

Edited September 20, 2015 by JennyMominFL

[SomePity1066]

Thanks for the encouragement Derick! God has spoke to me and he said loudly, stay CATHOLIC. 

Raised half-Catholic (Halfolic ?) here - 12 years Catholic school, weekly Mass until 18 or 19, then bugged out when I realized that I was drawn more to the other half of my upbringing, so I'm kind of MethoPresboLuthitarian now, but Derrick's post makes me want to RUN to Mass right this minute ! Good Lord, the stuff that falls out of his mouth is just so insufferably arrogant ! His self-centric, know-it-all, pseudo-religious, posturing bullshit reduces me to yelling "You're not the boss of me !!!" at my computer screen.

 

She's not having a VBAC in the Deliverance Shack

Phrase of the day, Missy Vixen ! But now I can't get the banjos out of my head ! 

 

I wonder if we will see her pursue nursing school in a few years.

 

As a nurse, no, no we wont. Jill would need a ton of remediation, a complete change of worldview, dedication, and a complete personality overhaul. Even then, it'd be hard on her on her.

 

Agreed 100%, JoanArc ! I'm not a nurse, nor have I ever had a baby, but all I needed to know about Jill's qualifications, or lack of them, was shown to me during her labor and delivery episode. She was willing to martyr herself, and thus her child, rather than reading the all-too-obvious signs of a distressed patient in need of immediate attention. I shudder to think of the harm she may cause in her "career" - I truly, truly hope I'm never proven right on that. 

Edited September 19, 2015 by SomePity1066

[kokapetl]

I'm a little suspicious about how Jill could be in a position to take the exam. She's spent the bulk of the last two months out of the country and she's had no apprenticeship "master" since Venessa got deregistered over 6 months ago, how could she meet the midwife deliveries under supervision requirement?

[Sew Sumi]

Vanessa had her license rescinded about a year ago. Jill must have had her work done before she "retired"; all she had to do was take the test, but then the guy got in the way. 

[Churchhoney]

Vanessa had her license rescinded about a year ago. Jill must have had her work done before she "retired"; all she had to do was take the test, but then the guy got in the way. 

 

When in the world did she do all this, especially Phase 3 -- Document the fulfillment of these requirements on the appropriate NARM application forms.

    Phase 1: Births as an Observer

    10 births in any setting, in any capacity (observer, doula, family member, friend, beginning apprentice).

    Phase 2: Clinicals as Assistant Under Supervision

    20 births, 25 prenatals (including 3 initial exams), 20 newborn exams, 10 postpartum visits as an assistant under the supervision of a qualified preceptor.

    Phase 3: Clinicals as Primary Under Supervision

    20 births, 75 prenatals (including 20 initial prenatals), 20 newborn exams, and 40 postpartum exams as a primary midwife under supervision. Continuity of Care births are required in this phase.

 

I don't recall ever hearing about her being the primary caregiver at all, let alone for 20 births and 135 exams. And that's in addition to assisting in 20 more births and 55 exams. Baffling, to me. If she actually has done all this, then good for her. But I have to say it didn't seem to do much for her clinical judgment when it came to handling her own birth .... Maybe it's actually scarier if she has had ll this experience, because she didn't seem to learn much from it.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Churchhoney

[cmr2014]

i am obviously in the monority here, but I'm really pleased that Jill has finished her studies -- that she has finished anything, that she has studied anything.

 

Despite the pompous bloviating of the blog post, I think it represents Derick's method of motivating Jill. She dropped midwifery like a bad habit the instant that she got pregnant. I don't believe for one second that she would ever have finished that certification without significant pressure from her "headship." She had been "working" on this for years with no signs of finishing before Derick showed up, While I'm sure that Derick is a religious fanatic, and I doubt I would enjoy his company, a lot of that blog post sounded like justification of her education. I'm sure that he has spent hours quoting scripture to Jill to convince her that the Lord might want her to do more with her life than just pump out babies, I would also guess that he keeps some of those scrupture nuggets handy to toss out to his in-laws who must be wondering why Jill is wasting time learning something when she could be praying for another blessing.

 

I said this in an earlier post, but I think it's worth repeating: Derick is proud of Jill. He's proud of her for doing something other than pushing out a blessing. I have never heard one of these fundie asshats say that he was proud of his wife for anything other than baby-making. That has got to be a novel and heady experience for Jill.

 

As to weather or not she has any actual skill at midwifery, I will cut her some slack -- not a lot since she endangered herself and her child -- but some. She was a first-time mother, and I'm sure she was terrified. I think it would be reasonable for her to think that it was important to show that 1) she was going to have an easy time of it, and there would be no problem popping out another 19, 2) that she knew what she was doing and was going to be an efficient (and cheap) help-meet who didn't require a lot of assistance, and 3) that she was ready and willing to die in childbirth. She may well be fine when supervising someone else's labor.

[Micks Picks]

I think they know enough people to exaggerate the hell out of the experience thing.  They lie and get others to swear to it.  So I still want to know why Jill is lying or why she got her CPM.  Derrick says she'll be using it in the mission but she says, in print, that she won't while she has kids at home.  Everybody is lying.  I hate them.

[Julia]

As to weather or not she has any actual skill at midwifery, I will cut her some slack -- not a lot since she endangered herself and her child -- but some. She was a first-time mother, and I'm sure she was terrified. I think it would be reasonable for her to think that it was important to show that 1) she was going to have an easy time of it, and there would be no problem popping out another 19, 2) that she knew what she was doing and was going to be an efficient (and cheap) help-meet who didn't require a lot of assistance, and 3) that she was ready and willing to die in childbirth. She may well be fine when supervising someone else's labor.

I think there's a lot to that. It just concerns me that if she's seen as many births as all that (and I still wonder if he's talking about a US certification), then as not just a woman with no children but a virgin she blithely dismissed what she's seen at deliveries and what all those mothers have been telling her about what they were feeling because her mama told her different. I feel really badly for those women whose births she supervised, if they exist. Labor is entirely bad enough (36 hours, unmedicated) without spending it trying to convince some kid that you know what you're experiencing.

[mimionthebeach]

It also occurred to me that she will likely now be the attending at Jessa's delivery. Oh dear, that has disaster written all over it.

And another mission-interrupting, donor-paid trip home.

[Micks Picks]

 

not just a woman with no children but a virgin she blithely dismissed what she's seen at deliveries and what all those mothers have been telling her about what they were feeling because her mama told her different. I

Thanks Julia.  Just the best word to describe her. BLITHLEY.  Head up her ass.  That's how she always looked and acted when going out to do her midwife thing, and supervising all her mother's pregnancies.  Her buddy Jana, who ridiculously still had to go with her even though it was to all women's stuff, didn't pretend to be all business and know it all.  I know people complained when Jill had to take over so much of preemie Josie and felt guilt over the monitoring of the dead #20, but fuck her.  Grab for some reality once in a while gal.  She ought to know things can go wrong as they did with her own mom despite Jill's clucking around.  Even ignored her OWN signs of trouble.  It's because she is so Jesus outed that she is too blith to snap back to real life, real tv, real trouble.

Edited September 19, 2015 by Micks Picks

[Churchhoney]

 

I said this in an earlier post, but I think it's worth repeating: Derick is proud of Jill. He's proud of her for doing something other than pushing out a blessing. I have never heard one of these fundie asshats say that he was proud of his wife for anything other than baby-making. That has got to be a novel and heady experience for Jill.

 

 

 

I definitely agree with this. ... It does show that Derick's at least a bit different from the guys we're used to seeing in this group. I have to say that I expect Ben would be proud of Jessa for things other than the usual Duggar-y stuff as well .... if she did any such things, that is. As much as Derick and Ben seem to have drunk the Duggar Kool Aid, they do show their differences from the fam in some ways, and that's a good thing.

 

Still have no idea how she can possibly have completed all the clinical stuff, but if she did it, then good for her.

I think there's a lot to that. It just concerns me that if she's seen as many births as all that (and I still wonder if he's talking about a US certification), then as not just a woman with no children but a virgin she blithely dismissed what she's seen at deliveries and what all those mothers have been telling her about what they were feeling because her mama told her different. I feel really badly for those women whose births she supervised, if they exist. Labor is entirely bad enough (36 hours, unmedicated) without spending it trying to convince some kid that you know what you're experiencing.

 

Well, she was raised to be delusional, and they definitely made that lesson stick.

[Julia]

It also occurred to me that she will likely now be the attending at Jessa's delivery. Oh dear, that has disaster written all over it.

And another mission-interrupting, donor-paid trip home.

"Jessa, mom says that if you really want your midwife to be nice to you, make it a point to be nice to her, even when she’s mean to you. I've been admiring your ring."

[sometimesy]

The main point is, this is all for Jesus. Donations were for their education and education is for Jesus and missions. Accounting is for Jesus. He used donations for his student loan (made this up). Duh . It follows that the trip is for the mission: flight, education, jesus, mission.

Edited September 19, 2015 by sometimesy

[JoanArc]

 

Well, she was raised to be delusional, and they definitely made that lesson stick.

Repeating this because it's the truth. It applies to all the Duggars, except maybe Josh.

[kalamac]

I decided to take Derrick's advice and consult the bible about the lord's plans for me today. I don't have a bible so I googled a scripture generator, and got this:

Psalms 35:26

    Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

 

I'm more confused now, than I was before.

 

Sorry Derrick, I'm going to keep watching Buffy and eating chips today.

 

Good for Jill getting her certification, but I'm amongst those who hopes she is never in the position to be making decisions regarding someone else's labour and delivery.

[Micks Picks]

Kalamac, that's why I don't have a bible either.  I used to travel on business with a guy who was a preacher's son and he kept saying it was ok to steal the bibles in the rooms.  I'm so glad I didn't.  Not worth my while to figure that one out, but I think I'm insulted.  And I hate Dereck even more.  Not so fond of King James writing either (snark)

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

The post is awful but I can't help but feel a little proud of Jill. Do I want her delivering babies? Not really. But she actually kept after something she was interested in - something educational, at that! She is broadening her mind a little at a time, and Derrick seems to support her in that.

I wonder if we will see her pursue nursing school in a few years.

I am proud of her too. Now, that doesn't mean I'd want her delivering my babies (or other people's). BUT....ya'll....Jill is the first Duggar (besides John David's flight training) that we have seen finish some sort of post-SODRT education/certification etc that required some level of studying and work. She completed something despite getting married & procreating (which according to Gothard, should have been her end-all and be-all as far as her life's purpose) before finishing it. I'm willing to give Jill credit where credit is due - she started something and completed it and she did so while having a baby and moving/living in a foreign country in the process. So good for her.

However we here feel about Jill's abilities as a midwife, she is now certified. If she ever (hypothetically) found Derrick cheating on her with escorts he encountered on a cheating website (cough, Josh, cough), she has a certification & (allegedly) skills that would allow her to work and a means to support herself and Izzy. She wouldn't be as "stuck" as another Gothardite might be in such a situation (cough, Anna, cough).

I was really expecting this to be an announcement of baby Dilly #2 and I'm downright shocked that it's actually about Jill becoming certified. I think that's great. I kind of think Derrick probably has friends who are fundie-light or not-very-fundie who all have wives who have some sort of education (even if many of them have become stay at home moms once they had kids). I'm betting his make friends from college mostly married other college-educated women or women with a trade, even if they now don't work outside of the home). Heck, he probably has friends from college and at their church who have wives who (gasp!) work outside of the home. His own mom is educated & was employed. My guess is it was natural for Derrick to encourage Jill to get her certification. He had seen other couples that encouraged each other - men and women - toco plate educations/certifications. He might also be smart enough to know that a missionary couple who each have some sort of skill are more marketable to organizations such as SOS and to donors (what do you mean what are we doing? Jill is helping deliver babies!) and that whenever the fame and mission donations finally end, they both may have to work to support their eleventh kids. I think if Jill had married a guy who was less educated/less worldly/more like the way her brothers were raised than Ben, she'd never have completed her certification because she would have been expected to give up pursuing midwifery to be a stay at home wife & mom 24/7.

Congrats, Jill!

Edited September 19, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[SomePity1066]

I decided to take Derrick's advice and consult the bible about the lord's plans for me today. I don't have a bible so I googled a scripture generator, and got this:

Psalms 35:26

    Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

 

I'm more confused now, than I was before.

 

Sorry Derrick, I'm going to keep watching Buffy and eating chips today.

 

Good for Jill getting her certification, but I'm amongst those who hopes she is never in the position to be making decisions regarding someone else's labour and delivery.

Wow - is that like the "Bible Dipping" featured so prominently in the book and then movie "Running With Scissors"... ? I didn't think that was a real thing ! It seems undignified and childish to me to chose the course for your day by essentially using the Bible as one of those folded paper Red/Blue/One/Two games I used to play in the fourth grade... 

 

Derrick seems to be on the verge of pulling a "Dear God, Do you like me ? Please check the box..." notes I started to send after I got over playing the folded paper game. He is a putz, a rube, and surprisingly easy-going in congratulating his wife on her new endeavor when she clearly put his first born (AND herself) in peril while totally ignoring her "extensive" training. If she's really, truly certified in something that will hold up to scrutiny here in the US I will eat my hat. Nom nom nom.

 

And, totally off-topic (forgive me !) but, Kalamac - I not only share in your love of chips and determination to watch Buffy rather than entertain anymore Derrick foolishness - I met James Marsters/Spike just last weekend ! He was kind, lovely, devastatingly handsome, articulate, and did I mention handsome ? One of the best days of my life...  :)

[leighdear]

Sadly, I just can't trust their word that Jill is an actual certified midwife within NARM.   

[BitterApple]

Sadly, I just can't trust their word that Jill is an actual certified midwife within NARM.

I can't either. The Duggars are known for playing fast and loose with the truth. I'm going to need to see some receipts before I believe this one.

[leighdear]

Because I'm a born contrarian in addition to not believing a word they say, I had a look at the official NARM handbook....

http://narm.org/pdffiles/CIB.pdf

 

It says "Official scores will usually be reported within 2 to 3 weeks of the examination date" on page 27.  So when did she take the test?  Or maybe she got a special-snowflake unofficial notice of a passing score right after taking it a couple of days ago.  Weird.  

Edited September 19, 2015 by leighdear

[queenanne]

Well, they've sure got pretty many leghumpers online who say over and over that they want to be just like them and that they admire the heck out of them. And I guess those people have seen the same stuff that we have. I don't get it either, but I think all those testimonials from the fans probably have done quite a bit to solidify the Duggars' view that they're inspirational and that people find them worth emulating.

 

Agreed, but that's kind of a rock-bottom-y difference between "all the stuff I've seen you do on TV over years", vs. "one outward measure".  I absolutely think/agree Duggars do have the view that any one choice or behavior they make - not a raft of them but any one solo thing - is enough to testify that they're different in a way that is worth emulating.  Personally I think frumper-like gestures are more Pharasaical (sp?), as someone (maybe even you!) suggested.  "Let me make some big gesture that is the equivalent of beating my breast and saying "Look at me!  Look at me and how godly I am!  Haveya noticed how saintly?"  

 

Some things, people aren't going to know is "a witness".  Duggars seem to think that because "they know", strangers can jump to the end result and do some work for them.  Though this is clearly a bad example for the Duggars in particular, I'll use this one 'cuz I'm too brain dead currently to think of a better:  

 

"Clearly good Christian women don't work outside the home.  

 

We don't work outside the home.  

 

QED, we are good Christian women, and everyone is going to know this just based upon the fact we don't work outside the home."  They think the proof proves the proof.

[Quof]

Head up her ass

That's what prevented Izzy from getting out of her hoo-hah.

[GeeGolly]

Wow - is that like the "Bible Dipping" featured so prominently in the book and then movie "Running With Scissors"... ? I didn't think that was a real thing ! It seems undignified and childish to me to chose the course for your day by essentially using the Bible as one of those folded paper Red/Blue/One/Two games I used to play in the fourth grade... 

Perfect!!!!

[GeeGolly]

It is scary that Jill will be delivering babies after watching what she did with her own delivery. I too think it's great that she finished something. As far as Derick being proud, Gothard women are permitted to make money doing "women's work", and I would think midwifery is considered women's work to them.

[Churchhoney]

Derrick seems to be on the verge of pulling a "Dear God, Do you like me ? Please check the box..." notes I started to send after I got over playing the folded paper game. He is a putz, a rube, and surprisingly easy-going in congratulating his wife on her new endeavor when she clearly put his first born (AND herself) in peril while totally ignoring her "extensive" training. If she's really, truly certified in something that will hold up to scrutiny here in the US I will eat my hat. Nom nom nom.

 

And, totally off-topic (forgive me !) but, Kalamac - I not only share in your love of chips and determination to watch Buffy rather than entertain anymore Derrick foolishness - I met James Marsters/Spike just last weekend ! He was kind, lovely, devastatingly handsome, articulate, and did I mention handsome ? One of the best days of my life...  :)

 

Wow, from Derick to Spike. There's a leagues-long leap. Spike > Derick by several million miles. Just remember my new Duggar-inspired motto: Enjoy yourself now, because later you're going to hell. (but apparently all the nicest people will be there)

Edited September 19, 2015 by Churchhoney

[doodlebug]

 

As far as Derick being proud, Gothard women are permitted to make money doing "women's work", and I would think midwifery is considered women's work to them.

I seem to recall that Gothard does encourage wives to assist their hubbies in the family business.  I think Michelle used to keep the books for JB's real estate ventures or something. Since Derrick apparently has decided that the family business is 'Dillard Family Ministries', it makes sense that he would think Jill becoming a CPM (I, also wonder whether this is literally true or a Duggarfied modification of reality) is going to aid the mission.  He's very specifically proclaimed that the entire purpose of Jill's midwifery training was not to help mothers and babies to arrive safely in this world, but, instead, to somehow bring converts to their version of Christianity.  She's not really' a midwife, she's a missionary!!!

 

Someone mentioned Jill going to a traditional nursing school.  I concur with those who think it will never happen.  Aside from the fact that I don't think her educational background would be anywhere close to what she'd need for a regular medical education; as a student, she would have to take care of all patients, all genders.  No way she would be permitted by her headship to put catheters into men!  Oh, the defrauding!  She'd also have trouble on ER or surgical rotations where she'd encounter people who'd been using drugs or drinking or having abortions, or getting their tubes tied.  God forbid she might have to care for an actual gay or transgendered person. Aside from

the fact that her sheltered upbringing would never prepare her for real world medical problems, I wouldn't wish her brand of cluelessness on people who already have problems or they wouldn't be in the hospital in the first place.

 

She also cannot become a CNM because the vast majority of them work in hospitals and are employed by businesses, either other midwives, physicians or hospitals would be in charge.  That's a Gothard no-no.  Most CPM's work for themselves and many are like Jill, fundies and they pick and choose their patients and generally only care for women with similar religious convictions.  Most would never even agree to see a woman who wasn't part of her religious group.  In a public medical practice, she'd have to take all comers; her bosses would decide what their patient base would be and its unlikely they could or would turn away women who are not fundies, or unmarried or (gasp!) gay.  No way Jill could work with such heathens!

 

While it's a nice idea to think that Jill could support herself as a CPM, I'll bet she couldn't.  Most of the ones I've encountered are like her, fundies with big families who strictly limit their numbers. Never met one who worked anything close to a 40 hour week, most do a couple hours a day at most unless they have someone in labor.  Even then, they rarely do more than a couple deliveries a month.  There's a reason why Jill's mentor was birthin' babies in a shack.  Most, however, whine loud and long about how they suffer because they work so hard and do so much for so little pay.  A friend of mine attended an attempted homebirth of a fundie friend of hers who specifically hired a CPM whose religious beliefs meshed with hers.  After being at the house for around 4 hours without a delivery, the midwife started complaining loud and long that the laboring woman had called her 'too soon' and should've realized that she had a family of her own and didn't have time to waste waiting for her to deliver.  Who was going to make dinner for her kids?  My friend got disgusted and left because the labor itself wasn't going well and she thought the lady needed to go to a hospital.  Eventually, after almost 24 hours, she did go to the hospital where her previously undiagnosed twins were safely delivered.

[kokapetl]

How long do we with think it will be before Jill is on trial for negligent manslaughter?

[Guest]

Eventually, after almost 24 hours, she did go to the hospital where her previously undiagnosed twins were safely delivered.

 

Previously undiagnosed twins... as in, the CPM didn't realize that the woman was pregnant with two babies? Jeezus. 

[Guest]

How long do we with think it will be before Jill is on trial for negligent manslaughter?

 

More like major lawsuit! I'm guessing that CPMs don't have any malpractice insurance, right, Doodlebug?

[roamyn]

Wow! Way to be encouraging to someone who completed certification / training.

I'll snark on them with everyone else.

BUT I won't snark on anyone bettering themselves - including JB or MeChelle.

[mbutterfly]

Raised half-Catholic (Halfolic ?) here - 12 years Catholic school, weekly Mass until 18 or 19, then bugged out when I realized that I was drawn more to the other half of my upbringing, so I'm kind of MethoPresboLuthitarian now, but Derrick's post makes me want to RUN to Mass right this minute ! Good Lord, the stuff that falls out of his mouth is just so insufferably arrogant ! His self-centric, know-it-all, pseudo-religious, posturing bullshit reduces me to yelling "You're not the boss of me !!!" at my computer screen.

! 

 

 

If it makes you feel any better, I believe he would be equally willing to convert you from MethoPresboLuthitarianism. 

[Satchels of gold]

The post is awful but I can't help but feel a little proud of Jill. Do I want her delivering babies? Not really. But she actually kept after something she was interested in - something educational, at that! She is broadening her mind a little at a time, and Derrick seems to support her in that.

I wonder if we will see her pursue nursing school in a few years.

I know, right? I'm just so glad she is not pregnant and that she accomplished something ( anything ) that doesn't entail add soliders to God's army. I also like the fact that Derrick is bragging about her accomplishment. You never see JB saying anything about Michelle outside of her baby making skills. So while this news isn't earth shattering, it's step in the right direction .

[Cherrio]

I decided to take Derrick's advice and consult the bible about the lord's plans for me today. I don't have a bible so I googled a scripture generator, and got this:

Psalms 35:26

    Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

 

I'm more confused now, than I was before.

 

Sorry Derrick, I'm going to keep watching Buffy and eating chips today.

 

Good for Jill getting her certification, but I'm amongst those who hopes she is never in the position to be making decisions regarding someone else's labour and delivery.

"Still have no idea how she can possibly have completed all the clinical stuff, but if she did it, then good for her."

         It may be good for her, but dangerous and deadly for any mothers and babies she comes into contact with.

[sometimesy]

I decided to take Derrick's advice and consult the bible about the lord's plans for me today. I don't have a bible so I googled a scripture generator, and got this:

Psalms 35:26

    Let them be ashamed and brought to confusion together that rejoice at mine hurt: let them be clothed with shame and dishonour that magnify themselves against me.

 

I'm more confused now, than I was before.

 

Sorry Derrick, I'm going to keep watching Buffy and eating chips today.

 

Good for Jill getting her certification, but I'm amongst those who hopes she is never in the position to be making decisions regarding someone else's labour and delivery.

He really needs to turn that mirror onto himself and his mission regarding that scripture. Magnifying himself is his entire blog. The whole post is justification for spending money to return to the US for the midwife thingy. All their trips, every thing they do is for the mission so they used mission donations. It's a real leap considering she had a long time to complete this exam and they had a long time to complete language lessons. Not only is he selling crap, but he's angry that anyone wouldn't like it. What a grafter.

[kokapetl]

Wow! Way to be encouraging to someone who completed certification / training.

I'll snark on them with everyone else.

BUT I won't snark on anyone bettering themselves - including JB or MeChelle.

It's highly unlikely Jill (or any of them) read these forums.

[PinkSprinkles]

How can Jill support herself as a lay midwife? Doesn't the "lay" imply that she isn't paid? 

[momofsquid]

I haven't opened a bible since my parents allowed me to quit church in 1978, but if I did I promise you I would land on a list of begats or something equally uninspiring. And Derick's blather that education for education's sake is worthless and book learnin' should only be used to promote ones religious beliefs is insulting and offensive to pretty much everyone on God's green earth, IMO. I used to find him slightly more palatable than Bin but now I think they're cut from the same cloth.

[Defrauder]

I wouldn't let Jill deliver my take-out meal.

I'm with you I wouldn't want her delivering my pizza.  And what has her midwifery status have to do with God's Army?  Is she only going to deliver her version of Christian babies?  Did she fail that part of the exam or just lie about it?  Well I guess we know where some of the donors money went - Jill becoming a midwife to only deliver Christian babies.