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Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

Chris Knight

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Shout out to everyone participating in the conversation about Jill’s miscarriage/stillbirth. You’re navigating a difficult topic with respect and thoughtfulness and your contributions are kind, considerate, constructive and informative. 

Thank you. 💚💚

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Will one of the mainstream media please post the airdancer skit Derrick did. It proves they are putting the money to good use. :)

 

Great great suggestion. We can always send the video to a few reporters to kind of nudge that along. :  )

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Zella

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Wow. That was . . . interesting.

 

I've sat through a couple of versions of the "Everything" skit. (I went to a very Christian evangelical school, even though I'm Jewish.) In the versions I've seen, the "vices" get a little more into it. LOL Derick's crew is just lazy!

 

Thank you for posting!

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I like to purpose it as an anti-drug message as in This is your brain on LSD, Just Say No.

 

This is your brain on Gothard, Just Say No.

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GeeGolly

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Many of you posters have changed the way I'm looking at the donor money. With all these fundraising sites that people use, it is usually for something more specific, i.e. funeral costs, medical costs, etc. Jill & Derick are essentially fundraising for their non-profit, and even many of the better known non-profits barely put any money into their actual cause. 

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It's called Dillard Family Ministries because the money is supporting them. They are the charity. 

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louannems

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I honestly doubt if Jill will be delivering any babies within the next 30 years or so. Assuming she has 10 children 2 years apart, and the 10th child leaves home at age 20. Jill states on the Dillard Family Blog that she won't actually work as a midwife while she is raising her own little ones. God forbid a woman be a working mom!! How did we all do it??!!

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GeeGolly

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It's called Dillard Family Ministries because the money is supporting them. They are the charity. 

Right, and before I got my head turned around I was thinking the money would go directly to what they were doing, not paying their salary.

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I honestly doubt if Jill will be delivering any babies within the next 30 years or so. Assuming she has 10 children 2 years apart, and the 10th child leaves home at age 20. Jill states on the Dillard Family Blog that she won't actually work as a midwife while she is raising her own little ones. God forbid a woman be a working mom!! How did we all do it??!!

This is why so many of our children are godless heathens. But at least I have the comfort of knowing they'll be with me in hell.

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Right, and before I got my head turned around I was thinking the money would go directly to what they were doing, not paying their salary.

 

You have more faith in Duggar-kind than I do. 

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Micks Picks

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OK so if Jill won't practice midwifery while she has kids at home, why bother with the midwifery.  You'd have to requalify when you decided 20 years later to take it up again.  Not that I think she should use her "skills".  Far from it.  She doesn't have judgment to help a cat out.  If she was any good at all, she could use that on missions.  But that's not their mission.  Their's is to chat up the locals, play ball, do nails, have fun with the paying volunteers who come in for a week or two at a time.  That's their mission.  Give me Catholic charities and others every darn day.  They help make lives better.  In fact my only problem is that here in that states, working with homeless or chronic poor, they don't request any change of any one.  No having them help clean up after being served breakfast and lunch, no expectation that a mother actually get her get to their free daycare on time or pick up on time, no requirement that the parents help clean up the childcare indoors or out.  That kind of thing.  Freebies should come with a behavior change attached.  IMHO

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louannems

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I just went back and blew up the family picture of Amy's wedding. You know the one with Jill standing far off on the right side? The one with Jill wearing the Long, Black dress on a super hot, humid summer afternoon? The one with the Mustard Sweater over the black, hot dress? Well, to me, Jill definitely looks several months preggers! Is that even possible?? She was way smaller in the "at the beach being a missionary" picture, taken a month or two ago.

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doodlebug

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The only thing that the Duggars feel is worthy of a long drawn out tease of an announcement is a pregnancy.  I am sure that Jill is preggers and that's the big news-not!  That explains their current extended stay in the US as Jill was no doubt seeing her midwife and getting an ultrasound so she'll have plenty of US pics to post.  Then, this will justify a monthly trip back to the US for prenatal care as well as an extended stay in the US for the birth.  Derrick's record of attendance at Walt Mart will be stellar compared to their presence working as 'missionaries' in El Salvador as we know if would not be possible for Jill to go home on her own, even briefly.  .

 

That might be why we got the photo of Iz with the bottle.  Perhaps Jill got him weaned onto formula even before 6 months to increase the chances she'd ovulate sooner and conceive.  Or, maybe she is one of those who ovulate while breastfeeding (the typical first world woman who breastfeeds starts to ovulate around 4 months postpartum).  When a woman is breastfeeding, her milk starts out having very little fat in it, but, as the baby grows and time passes, the content of the milk gets fatter and fatter which increases the caloric content as the baby needs it.  However, if a woman gets pregnant while breastfeeding, her milk will revert back to the lower fat milk that newborns need.  An older baby won't like the taste of the lower fat milk and will often wean themselves when mom conceives.  It could be that Iz decided he didn't like Mama's milk as much when she got knocked up again and won't take the breast anymore.  They can use their love offerings to buy Enfamil I suppose.

 

The optimal timing between pregnancies is 9 or more months between the end of one and the beginning of the next.  Jill, of course, couldn't possibly use common sense or contraception.  She's proved time after time that she's got scrambled eggs where her brains oughta be.  She is at risk for premature birth and other poor outcomes in addition to the issues that came along with her idiotic management of her last birth..  She's demonstrated that, as a midwife, she isn't capable of even the most logical thought processes, so it makes sense she wouldn't bother thinking at all this time around.

 

If indeed she is preggers, anyone wanna bet that this one was planned by Jill and Derrick, no doubt with encouragement from Jim Bob and Michelle, after the molestation story broke in the spring in hopes of salvaging the spin-off?  I hate to be so cynical, but these folks have proven time and again that they are all obsessed with staying on TV and keeping that gravy train on the tracks.  Little did they know that Joshie had porn and hookers up his sleeve.  What will they do if Jill has to give birth without an audience?  Or a big payday?

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Libby96

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The thought of being pregnant again less than six months after giving birth just sounds utterly exhausting. I do think it is a possibility based on how Jill looked in those wedding pictures. And though I know that it possible to get pregnant while exclusively breast feeding, I wouldn't be surprised if she started weaning Iz to formula to increase her odds of conceiving Baby Dilly 2. Didn't Michelle wean her kids after a few months in order to make it easier to conceive another blessing? I still find this inconsistent with their claims to leave their fertility in God's hands. Won't God allow you to get pregnant without early weaning and carefully tracking your cycle if that's what He wants? Or maybe God made breast feeding suppress ovulation for a while so the mom has some time to recover and the baby has some time to get the focus and attention that it needs.

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3girlsforus

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The thought of being pregnant again less than six months after giving birth just sounds utterly exhausting. I do think it is a possibility based on how Jill looked in those wedding pictures. And though I know that it possible to get pregnant while exclusively breast feeding, I wouldn't be surprised if she started weaning Iz to formula to increase her odds of conceiving Baby Dilly 2. Didn't Michelle wean her kids after a few months in order to make it easier to conceive another blessing? I still find this inconsistent with their claims to leave their fertility in God's hands. Won't God allow you to get pregnant without early weaning and carefully tracking your cycle if that's what He wants? Or maybe God made breast feeding suppress ovulation for a while so the mom has some time to recover and the baby has some time to get the focus and attention that it needs.

 

They don't trust God at all. They only trust their fertility to God if that means God gives them tons of kids. If they have trouble conceiving or their current blessing's nourishment is suppressing their fertility, then God needs help. 

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JoanArc

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She's demonstrated that, as a midwife, she isn't capable of even the most logical thought processes, so it makes sense she wouldn't bother thinking at all this time around.

Well, doctor, clearly you don't know that Jill was GURANTEED a perfect VBAC by her OBGYN this time around. Nothing can possibly go wrong!

 

 

What will they do if Jill has to give birth without an audience?  Or a big payday?

Nine months is a long time for your fame to fade. It sure as hell better be twins/triplets. Babies Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, and Tonitown might land a People article, but not the cover.

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mynextmistake

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If she's pregnant again already, she's an even bigger idiot than I thought. I had a baby via emergency C-section two months ago (baby and I both came out of it fine, thankfully) and my OB told me that I should plan on waiting for at least a year, preferably two, before conceiving again to make sure that my uterus has time to heal completely. And that timeline assumes that any subsequent births will be managed by a trained practitioner in a hospital. If Jill tries to do a VBAC with a lay midwife in the prayer closet at the TTH after waiting all of three months after Izzy's birth to conceive #2, both she and the baby are at huge risk of complications. And you know it's not like she cleared this with a medical professional first. She and Derrick probably prayed over it and sought advice from Michelle, who reassured her that everything would be fine because things always worked out for Michelle (except when they didn't).

I'm sorry, I can make a lot of excuses for Jill given her lack of education and her crazypants upbringing, but I don't understand why she would take such a risk with her life and her baby's. Is she that desperate to break Michelle's record? What is wrong with these people?

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queenanne

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Despite my previous tongue-in-cheek remark about mild-mannered accountants and embezzlement, I don't think Derrick and and Jill are intentionally mismanaging funds. I think they are scraping up against the harsh reality that when you live on monies acquired by direct solicitation, those who donated are going to expect a certain level of transparency and accountability. I have a hunch that's coming as a bit of a surprise to them.

 

How could it (transparency and accountability) come as a surprise, to a man with a degree in accounting?  Wouldn't that be in your coursework?  I have this nagging feeling that even if you go to a religious school where missions/ministries are high on the list of approved majors, that it comes in on the coursework.  I think this is now giving Derrick too much credit.  I admit I really don't know what I'm talking about in specifics, but wouldn't financial transparency be covered in something like GAAP?  Jill I could believe as a nitwit on the topic.

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Churchhoney

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How could it (transparency and accountability) come as a surprise, to a man with a degree in accounting?  Wouldn't that be in your coursework?  I have this nagging feeling that even if you go to a religious school where missions/ministries are high on the list of approved majors, that it comes in on the coursework.  I think this is now giving Derrick too much credit.  I admit I really don't know what I'm talking about in specifics, but wouldn't financial transparency be covered in something like GAAP?  Jill I could believe as a nitwit on the topic.

 

I have a feeling that when it comes to godly missions and, in fact, anything that Duggars and pseudo-Duggar D Dillard is involved in, all rules, logic and bets are off.

 

As far as the missionary money goes, though, I think they just thought/think that it's perfectly obvious that the money goes to them, the missionaries. Their mission is not about any services or donations they deliver. It's about their mere existence on the ground in a place where people are in need of saving. In their eyes, the world's highest need is for everyone to believe in the exact version of Christianity that they believe in. And the way to make that happen is just to have true believers like Jill and Derick hang around in the neighborhood until the locals get the right idea.

 

So, on their interpretation, I think they believe they're being perfectly transparent. It's the Dillard Family Mission -- and, clearly, the money goes to support the Dillard Family. And money that goes to a family supports that family's activities, feeds them, clothes them, pays their airfare and so on. What could be clearer and more transparent?

 

This makes no sense to many people. But it's clearly the idea behind 19 Kids. JB and M said over and over that their mere existence on tv constituted a great Christian mission. They're the true believers in the only true belief, and when the audience watches them go about their daily lives and listens to them describe what they do, it's then possible for the audience to emulate them. And emulating the Duggars is the world's biggest need, in the eyes of Christ. Their continued run on tv proved to them that this was true, I expect. So it certainly rubbed off on a dumb favorite child like Jilly Muffin. It's more surprising that Derick would buy into this view, but the fact that he does just makes clear that he, too, has enough ego and sloth in him to entirely crowd out brains.

Me thinks maybe there will be a Jill & Derick move to Central America spin-off. 

 

Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!           (I'm certain that that's what was coming before the great bust-up. But if it's coming now --- Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!)

 

I'm skeptical, though. TLC is craven, but they do know something about putting together freakshow reality tv. Do you think they'd really see a single family of three (or three-plus) as providing enough material for a show? Especially because a lot of the people around them won't speak much or any English, and the family's own activities seem to have a limited range, too. Seems like doing a show would be a lot more difficult with a changing cast of background characters from whom you'd have to keep getting permissions to shoot and show them, as well.

 

If this is in the works, though, I can only say Nooooooooooo!!!!!

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CofCinci

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Me thinks maybe there will be a Jill & Derick move to Central America spin-off.

It was probably in the works before the Ashley Madison scandal but shit-canned before JB could google "cheap Christian rehabs for sex addicts".
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lulu69

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While I agree the "exciting things" happening in Jill's family are most likely a pregnancy and/or courtship announcement, wouldn't it be great if Jill revealed, "Great news everyone! My SIL has finally decided to leave my piece of shit brother, Joy & I are permanantly moving to Central America & Jana and Jinger are escaping...ooops...I mean going to NYC to be nannies for an extremely wealthy well connected family".  Ahhh, dreams lol

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GeeGolly

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Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!           (I'm certain that that's what was coming before the great bust-up. But if it's coming now --- Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!)

 

I'm skeptical, though. TLC is craven, but they do know something about putting together freakshow reality tv. Do you think they'd really see a single family of three (or three-plus) as providing enough material for a show? Especially because a lot of the people around them won't speak much or any English, and the family's own activities seem to have a limited range, too. Seems like doing a show would be a lot more difficult with a changing cast of background characters from whom you'd have to keep getting permissions to shoot and show them, as well.

 

If this is in the works, though, I can only say Nooooooooooo!!!!!

Yes & no. I think it is different enough to grab an audience, I think it would bring money into a place stricken with poverty (looks good for TLC), probably plenty of Duggars hopping on planes to join them, a VSE of Jill gives birth in Central America, a VSE of Derick doing a remote mission, etc. 

 

But then again, maybe not, Who knows?

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Featherhat

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I think a Jill and Jessa spin off was probably mooted before Joshgate 1.0 and is possibly one of the reason they had already started planning a mission trip, for "interesting footage". TLC was certainly mulling it over in between Joshgate 1 and 2, which I what I think Jill and Jessa's Megyn Kelly interview was about.

Now though, it looks unlikely for the next few months. TLC is probably still thinking it over though, as Jill and to a lesser extent Jessa's courtships/marriages/babies brought record ratings. It's just a question of a) will people have short memories of the scandals by the time Baby Seawald (or Dillard 2.0) are born b) are either of the couples (plus Joy or Jinger visiting etc) interesting enough if we don't see the whole clan running around as well. c) Anynew controversies that keep on going, especially in regards to the missionary work.

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Julia

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I'll grant you that people have swallowed a lot of improbable things about this family, but I'm not sure how you'd finesse a woman with a child who says she won't work outside the home while she's raising children with a non-standard midwife 'certification' flying home monthly from her midwifing 'ministry' for wellness pregnancy checks. 

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Churchhoney

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Yes & no. I think it is different enough to grab an audience, I think it would bring money into a place stricken with poverty (looks good for TLC), probably plenty of Duggars hopping on planes to join them, a VSE of Jill gives birth in Central America, a VSE of Derick doing a remote mission, etc. 

 

But then again, maybe not, Who knows?

 

You're scaring me!

 

Hoping what I would think would be higher expenses would scare them! (...or maybe just wishful thinking on my part....argh)

Now though, it looks unlikely for the next few months. TLC is probably still thinking it over though, as Jill and to a lesser extent Jessa's courtships/marriages/babies brought record ratings.

 

See, I think that was really about courtships/marriages and, especially, WEDDINGS!!! Seems to me that tv scheduling provides plenty of examples that these things are the ratings draw, not continuing stories about young married couples with a kid or two, no matter how exotic their location. And a Jill-does-missions spin-off won't have any courting/dating, romantic engagement, wedding planning, wedding stuff in it.

I'll grant you that people have swallowed a lot of improbable things about this family, but I'm not sure how you'd finesse a woman with a child who says she won't work outside the home while she's raising children with a non-standard midwife 'certification' flying home monthly from her midwifing 'ministry' for wellness pregnancy checks. 

 

I don't think Jill's ministry is midwifing. I think it's holding Izzy while shooting cellphone video at the same time.

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Featherhat

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See, I think that was really about courtships/marriages and, especially, WEDDINGS!!! Seems to me that tv scheduling provides plenty of examples that these things are the ratings draw, not continuing stories about young married couples with a kid or two, no matter how exotic their location. And a Jill-does-missions spin-off won't have any courting/dating, romantic engagement, wedding planning, wedding stuff in it.

Oh, I'm sure it was 95% the wedding and the gawking at the "courtship" with no touching before engagement etc, but I can also see why TLC might have explored a spin off before or between the scandals, especially after Honey Boo Boo's cancellation. "Dillards: crazypants in El Salvador" and "Seawalds: Teen Dad Toiler Cleaner Preacher" might have been good for a special each I guess.

OTOH I think even weddings would have only carried them through another couple before they got more boring than they already were. Maybe a Josiah/Majorie one would have made it (first girl since Anna to "marry in") and the next girl's before it was only drawing in regular numbers.

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Lemur

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... a VSE of Derick doing a remote mission, etc. 

 

I can see that ending like the Lost City of Z.  Derrick sets off with a limited number of companions and experience and a ton of unearned confidence and is never heard from again.  

 

I can just see the TLC follow-up show trying to track him down in the jungle with the male Duggars.  This could last a good four, five seasons until they end up with some sort of exotic jungle disease, being beaten to death by the indigenous peoples who don't take kindly to outsiders, or (in the case of a couple of the younger ones) going completely native.

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Featherhat

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I really hope not, but Michelle had a near tragedy with Josie and then foolhardily went on to the tragedy that was poor Jubilee, so who knows?

She's a young fertile girl in her 20s she can easily take a year off being pregnant and still have many blessings, even Michelle had bigger gaps here and there. Although I guess if you are having full sex and really are committed to not using birth control then you are going to get pregnant sooner or later, even if you would like to space it further, especially if you wean off the breast early as eaid by many up thread.

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Churchhoney

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Oh, I'm sure it was 95% the wedding and the gawking at the "courtship" with no touching before engagement etc, but I can also see why TLC might have explored a spin off before or between the scandals, especially after Honey Boo Boo's cancellation. "Dillards: crazypants in El Salvador" and "Seawalds: Teen Dad Toiler Cleaner Preacher" might have been good for a special each I guess.

OTOH I think even weddings would have only carried them through another couple before they got more boring than they already were. Maybe a Josiah/Majorie one would have made it (first girl since Anna to "marry in") and the next girl's before it was only drawing in regular numbers.

 

Yeah, I agree. I think they'd probably actually planned a spinoff with Jessa and Jill or at least something like the specials you mention. And then evil Joshie killed it -- an action far worse than his child molestation to hear the Duggars, including some of the molested ones, tell it.

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Satchels of gold

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Yeah, I agree. I think they'd probably actually planned a spinoff with Jessa and Jill or at least something like the specials you mention. And then evil Joshie killed it -- an action far worse than his child molestation to hear the Duggars, including some of the molested ones, tell it.

Oh hell yea, I saw that Jill's wedding got over 3 million viewers , that's money in the bank for them.

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Defrauder

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And no freaking way to any kind of a spin off.  Missionaries who think their every expense should be paid for by others so they can travel to foreign lands and tell people their version of everything God. Please.  The egotistical arrogance combined with the shallow entitlement mixed in with the lack of any true introspection added to the disrespect of others right to their own beliefs plus the lack of accounting on the funds eventual destination makes for just one big disaster waiting to happen to TLC or anyone else who takes that on

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GinnyLee

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Jill and Derick keep mentioning 'language school'. Now, I can see Derick not knowing too much Spanish because he was a missionary in Nepal and probably didn't learn it. But, Jill has been learning Spanish for the past 7-8 years. I took 3 years high school Spanish over 25 years ago and even I learned the language relatively well and quick. I still know much of the vocabulary to this day. What's the hold up here?  It seems to me that someone who's had her sights on missionary work in El Salvador for the past decade should already have a firm grasp of the Spanish language. She shouldn't need to waste time at a 'language school'. Spanish is not that difficult of a language. 

 

90 minutes a day/5 days a week for 3- 3 1/2 years should put anybody at a semi-high fluency level in most languages.

3 1/2 - 5 years of study should you at a high fluency level. She's been at it for almost a decade!

 

Half-assed. 

Half-assed folks! 

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