Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[galaxygirl76]

7 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Nice to think that a super-godly homeschooling family is a-ok with handing one of its pre-teen children off to work at another homeschool, basically. 

These people are truly vile. Every one of them. 

Not to mention the fact that she got send to live with a guy who molested his younger sisters.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

The raid I talked about happened less than three years ago. If a raid happens, the person/corporation has been watched and investigated for a while and the FBI has more than enough to nail them. The raid is normally the final “gotcha” to make their case. Make no mistake- if the feds come and raid your home, it’s about 99% certain that you’re going to prison. 

Yeah I've read federal cases are usually pretty open and shut, and that's why they have such a high success rate in court. They don't waste time on arresting you and charging you unless they know they have a lot of evidence against you. 

[Churchhoney]

9 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm beyond mind-boggled. Even if this FBI raid is rumor, who the hell sends their 11 year-old daughter to live in the home of a known child molester? Jesus Christ, what is wrong with these people? 

Apparently a "Courageous Man of the Word" does, according to reports here. Since her father is nutso Dwain S's partner. 

Very courageous of him, farming out young children to take the strain off his family and help support somebody else's, isn't it? 

School? What's that? She's training to be a meek mother of multitudes, I suppose. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[JoanArc]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Apparently a "Courageous Man of the Word" does, according to reports here. 

Very courageous of him, isn't it? 

Very ballsy, anyway.

I’m reminded of some Arkansas state rep who, a few years ago, basically adopted and then ‘rehomed’ a little girl to a new family after having her awhile. I can’t remember the name but it reeked of trafficking. I believe the Duggars supported him politically, too.

edit : Justin Harris

Edited November 18, 2019 by JoanArc

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Very ballsy, anyway.

I’m reminded of some Arkansas state rep who, a few years ago, basically adopted and then ‘rehomed’ a little girl to a new family after having her awhile. I can’t remember the name but it reeked of trafficking. I believe the Duggars supported him politically, too.

edit : Justin Harris

Yes, that was a huge scandal--I remember that!

[libgirl2]

48 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She's a "helper."

Sad. She should be in school not being used as slave labor and possible sex toy for that bastard. WTF is wrong with these people??

[Temperance]

45 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

So Emily's father Will was the co-founder of Courageous Men of the Word with Dwain Swanson. 

http://courageousmenoftheword.com/

His wife Angela is Michelle's cousin. 

As @Sew Sumi said she was a "helper". She's been with the Smuggars for over a year now. 

Also makes you realize how small these circles really are when Lauren's dad is hanging out with Meech's cousins. 

No, Will is Michelle's nephew.  I've posted this before. Will (Emily's father) is the son of Michelle's sister Pamela. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Temperance

[JoanArc]

Just now, Zella said:

Yes, that was a huge scandal--I remember that!

 Thank God I’m not the only one. I’m pretty sure I read about it on this forum. It is getting off topic so I will not say more, only that this kind of thing is rare, but also happens more than you would expect and is devastating. 

 I’m really hoping Jim Bob just used car lots for money laundering, or tried to rip off the Bahamas for $20,000 worth of fuel. That would be bad enough. 

[mythoughtis]

19 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I do wonder if FBI raids in the SM age aren’t handled differently now...any big blatant effort is likely to end up on SM and be a risk for a potential lawsuit?

Not likely.  Illinois politicians are sometimes the subject of FBI raids ( political corruption).  They dont hide their presence at all. 

[libgirl2]

38 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Anna clearly didn't have enough daughters in a row to be sister-moms and the Duggars weren't willing to lend out the aunts quite yet. 

Remember that the J'Slaves and Joy were flying to help Anna out quite often while Josh was in DC. And that was when Anna only had 3. I imagine Anna got a wee bit too used to "help" and someone with similar beliefs was willing to farm out their child. For whatever reasons. It seems strange a fundie family would give up the only daughter and at such a young age too.

If Anna can't watch her kids then she needs to stop popping them out. Help every so often is fine, underage live in help with a pedophile husband is wrong, wrong and evil 

Edited November 18, 2019 by libgirl2

[PikaScrewChu]

14 minutes ago, Temperance said:

No, Will is Michelle's nephew.  I've posted this before. Will (Emily's father) is the son of Michelle's sister Pamela. 

Thanks for correcting! I should have checked closer. It makes you wonder how members of Meech's family ended up fundie too. 

[Jeanne222]

55 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm beyond mind-boggled. Even if this FBI raid is rumor, who the hell sends their 11 year-old daughter to live in the home of a known child molester? Jesus Christ, what is wrong with these people? 

Could be why Jim Bob and Michelle aren't sending any of their' s over to help Anna!

Once stung, twice shy!

[Future Cat Lady]

6 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Could be why Jim Bob and Michelle aren't sending any of their' s over to help Anna!

Once stung, twice shy!

But they're okay sending someone else's kid?

I think it's more that they need the younger girls to help run their own household. Jana can't do everything and the boys do nothing.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Future Cat Lady
missing a letter

[Nysha]

3 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Anna has scrubbed all mentions of Cousin Emily from her IG. 

This just gets stranger and stranger.

Who is Cousin Emily? I don't use IG.

I should have waited and read the entire thread before posting. I'm beyond shocked that anyone would let their young daughter live with Josh, let alone as a "helper" aka house servant. 

I thought homeschooling had to be done, or at least supervised, by the child's parents or legal guardians in Arkansas. If so, that may be what initially tripped them up. And, if raising Anna's children and cleaning her house took precedent over her schooling, that would probably come under child exploitation/trafficking. Plus, if she's there with her parents' permission, they're going to get nailed, too.

If this is what is happening, I bet the Duggars and the Gothard cult scream religious persecution and family harassment.  

Edited November 18, 2019 by Nysha
Just needed to read to answer my question.

[PikaScrewChu]

2 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Who is Cousin Emily? I don't use IG.

Cousin Emily is the granddaughter of one of Michelle's sisters. She's been with the Smuggars as a "helper". If you go far back in this thread you'd probably see a lot of pictures of Emily and Mack together. 

Dear god. Imagine if this was a rumor like Benessa in the church at their wedding...

[Lunera]

Anyone remember this blind item? It was posted almost a year ago.

[satrunrose]

I was lurking to find more about what, if anything was going down with Josh and then I saw this Cousin Emily business. I already thought it was sketchtastic and hypocritical for all these families to tout their "stay at home daughters" and then farm them out as (paid? unpaid?) servants to like-minded families but a twelve-year-old? For a year? What the actual Hell? Cousin Emily, I teach grade 7 and have no kids. You can come live with me, go to school and join soccer and dance and hockey and drama and learn to play the electric guitar or any other fun, age appropriate stuff your heart desires. 

And probably some counselling too because 12-year-old girls' parents should want them as a bare minimum. Poor kid

Edited November 18, 2019 by satrunrose

[Nysha]

I think child molesters should be stripped naked, staked out in the middle of a desert, and painted with blood and gravy.

[Lunera]

[Scarlett45]

I’m terrified that it’s true something has happened to Emily. I wouldn’t disbelieve it for a second. Her parents are the scum of the earth to send her to live in Josh’s household of all people. 

[awaken]

9 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

Apparently Anna has turned off comments on her SM accounts, which seems suspicious IMO.  I hope it’s not true, for the sake of Anna and the children.  I can’t imagine being hugely pregnant + 5 other children and having to deal with something like this.  It would be tragic.

Shades of when Meredith was born and the previous scandal broke at the same time. What terrible timing if Anna is due to give birth soon. 

[Scarlett45]

I don’t feel sorry for Anna at all. The children of course, (the M kids and Emily), the baby in utero, but ANNA? Nah. Her husband doesn’t give a shit about her or anyone but himself (I take that back I believe he cares about Michelle). 

[all fall down]

3 minutes ago, awaken said:

Shades of when Meredith was born and the previous scandal broke at the same time. What terrible timing if Anna is due to give birth soon. 

I think she's due just about any day now. 

[Churchhoney]

40 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Who is Cousin Emily? I don't use IG.

I should have waited and read the entire thread before posting. I'm beyond shocked that anyone would let their young daughter live with Josh, let alone as a "helper" aka house servant. 

I thought homeschooling had to be done, or at least supervised, by the child's parents or legal guardians in Arkansas. If so, that may be what initially tripped them up. And, if raising Anna's children and cleaning her house took precedent over her schooling, that would probably come under child exploitation/trafficking. Plus, if she's there with her parents' permission, they're going to get nailed, too.

If this is what is happening, I bet the Duggars and the Gothard cult scream religious persecution and family harassment.  

In current law, an Arkansas homeschool has to be "provided by" a parent or a legal guardian....I've been looking at that since the law was amended in 2017 but I haven't asked a lawyer.....However, I have a feeling that word just means that you set up some place where your kid will get something that you're calling a home-provided school.....

Their law is still called one of the loosest in the country, including by strong homeschooling advocates, and I haven't noticed any discussions or articles online about any issues or challenges that would have resulted in those words being defined in court. 

Out of my ignorance, though, I do get the feeling that you can "provide" pretty much anything and it's okay as long as you attest to "providing" it......I think the law's intended to very strongly protect parents' rights to see their children raised in any way they want.....

I assume Cousin Emily's family lives in Arkansas also? If they lived in another state, there might be issues you could raise based on whatever that state's laws were .... But I assume that's not the case? 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Sew Sumi]

I believe Emily's family lives out of state.

[Churchhoney]

7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I believe Emily's family lives out of state.

Any idea what's going on with them that they'd send a child away like that? To be a "helper"? A child......

[libgirl2]

It's sad these kids get swept under the rug. 

[Scarlett45]

3 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Any idea what's going on with them that they'd send a child away like that? To be a "helper"? A child......

They probably sold her. 

[Sew Sumi]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Any idea what's going on with them that they'd send a child away like that? To be a "helper"? A child......

Ingratiating themselves with their more famous kin?

[BradandJanet]

3 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

It's sad these kids get swept under the rug. 

Unfortunately, children are human chattel, just like women. 

[Churchhoney]

1 minute ago, Sew Sumi said:

Ingratiating themselves with their more famous kin?

You have to wonder, don't you.....

Jill R'll probably ship a few of hers down there next .... As long as Anna doesn't insist on a better class of servants, of course....

[Oldernowiser]

If she was transported across state lines to be some kind of house slave I start to see why CPS would be called in.

[madpsych78]

Emily's popped up on Counting On...not prominently, but in the background in storylines involving the whole family. I remember first seeing Emily in one of Jill's pics/videos, perhaps several months to a year or so ago?

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

If she was transported across state lines to be some kind of house slave I start to see why CPS would be called in.

The Mann Act anyone?

[Guest]

OMG...I'm a casual reader of this thread because I hate Josh and don't care how his life is going so I didn't know about Emily. That is SICK that someone purposefully placed a little girl in that house KNOWING this guy's history. 

That being said, who knows if anything went down today. But if it did, I really hope it was more about Jim Bob's shady AF businesses and nothing to do with this poor little girl whose life is already ruined enough because she's been nothing but a slave in the home of two lazy blobs.

[Oldernowiser]

3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

The Mann Act anyone?

I think that only applies to minors being transported for sexual purposes, which I am so hoping is not the case here.

But I am not a lawyer let alone one familiar with Arkansas laws. I would devoutly hope that bringing in a child to be an unpaid au pair would be against some law and once it crosses state lines doesn’t it becomes federal?

[Nysha]

Poor Emily. Nobody sends their 11-12 year old to live with a different family for an entire year unless there are troubles at home that can't be resolved or fixed. These people aren't living under a rock. They know who and what Josh is, they know that the Duggars will do everything in their power to hide sins and imperfections at any cost, and they still sent their daughter to live in his home. 

My husband's cousin was overly friendly with the young girls in the family and even though everyone swore his affection was innocent, we stopped attending family gatherings that included him when we adopted our daughters. We weren't willing to take a chance or let our girls think he was a safe person.

3 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I think that only applies to minors being transported for sexual purposes, which I am so hoping is not the case here.

I would think sending a child to live with a known child molester would be considered child endangerment at the very least.

[Zella]

5 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I think that only applies to minors being transported for sexual purposes, which I am so hoping is not the case here.

But I am not a lawyer let alone one familiar with Arkansas laws. I would devoutly hope that bringing in a child to be an unpaid au pair would be against some law and once it crosses state lines doesn’t it becomes federal?

My knowledge is more historical than legal, but I am pretty sure the Mann Act is for any age woman being transported across state lines for immoral purposes, not just underage girls. Any lawyers in the house? 🙂 

[Scarlett45]

9 minutes ago, Nysha said:

These people aren't living under a rock. They know who and what Josh is, they know that the Duggars will do everything in their power to hide sins and imperfections at any cost, and they still sent their daughter to live in his home. 

Yup. At the very very least they are awful scum who don’t care about their daughter at all to let her live there. At the worst they sold her. 

4 minutes ago, Zella said:

My knowledge is more historical than legal, but I am pretty sure the Mann Act is for any age woman being transported across state lines for immoral purposes, not just underage girls. Any lawyers in the house? 🙂 

I’m a lawyer- the Mann act has been amended and is gender neutral, it covers human trafficking for forced prostitution, child pornography, illegal sex work etc etc. It covers children and adult persons who haven’t consented. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

I’m a lawyer- the Mann act has been amended and is gender neutral, it covers human trafficking for forced prostitution, child pornography, illegal sex work etc etc. It covers children and adult persons who haven’t consented. 

Aha thank you! I'm glad to hear it has been amended. I don't recall them ever discussing the Mann Act within a modern context in any of my history classes. 

[Scarlett45]

9 minutes ago, Zella said:

Aha thank you! I'm glad to hear it has been amended. I don't recall them ever discussing the Mann Act within a modern context in any of my history classes. 

You’re welcome. 
 

Again- why would ANYONE send their small child to live in a home with a CONFESSED child molester???? He confessed. If Anna couldn’t handle all her kids stop reproducing. If this girl actually needed a home (like Tyler did) JB & Michelle’s home would’ve been a better choice- at least Josh doesn’t live there. 

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

You’re welcome. 
 

Again- why would ANYONE send their small child to live in a home with a CONFESSED child molester???? He confessed. If Anna couldn’t handle all her kids stop reproducing. If this girl actually needed a home (like Tyler did) JB & Michelle’s home would’ve been a better choice- at least Josh doesn’t live there. 

It is truly baffling. I suspect most of the Duggar siblings themselves have been brainwashed and guilt-tripped into still dealing with Josh at family events, but I cannot fathom why anyone would let their kid live in a home with him.

Indeed, I suspect, though they may never admit it publicly, most of his siblings likely wouldn't be willing to let their child stay in his house. 

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

It is truly baffling. I suspect most of the Duggar siblings themselves have been brainwashed and guilt-tripped into still dealing with Josh at family events, but I cannot fathom why anyone would let their kid live in a home with him.

Indeed, I suspect, though they may never admit it publicly, most of his siblings likely wouldn't be willing to let their child stay in his house. 

I agree. 
 

I always thought the other kids didn’t like Josh very much (back in the early days), but just because he was an asshole. Once JB & Michelle are gone I can see a few having nothing to do with him. 

[Nysha]

3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

If Anna couldn’t handle all her kids stop reproducing.

This should have been tattooed on Michelle's chest after her laundry room breakdown. I'm not sure I believe in God anymore, but I was raised fundy and I know there is nothing in the Bible that says God demands women to have more babies than they can emotionally or physically handle. There isn't even anything in there about not using birth control or the brains He supposedly gave people (even women!) to limit your family to only having the number of children you can afford, handle, and want.

[Future Cat Lady]

I've been thinking that Anna's helper is very young because they (Anna, Ma & Pa Duggar) don't want to put another woman in that house with Josh. That could be too much temptation for Josh. 

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I've been thinking that Anna's helper is very young because they (Anna, Ma & Pa Duggar) don't want to put another woman in that house with Josh. That could be too much temptation for Josh. 

I could see that, but this is a man who hurt his 5yrs old sister, FIVE!!, (and his other sisters and an unrelated teenage girl)

If he was just a run of the mill cheater, that would still be wrong (to force the girl to work there) but I wouldn’t be worried for her safety. Tons of people cheat on their spouses, MOST humans would never dream of hurting a child. Josh isn’t a guy with roaming eyes he’s a confessed child molester. 

[irisheyes]

I saw this thread had blown up and figured Anna had her baby. I hope it's not true.  Not because I'm a Josh or Anna fan, but for the kid's sake. Ugh. Hopefully, it's tax fraud. 

[zoomama]

did this get shared here:   https://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/2019/11/did-the-fbi-raid-josh-duggars-home/

[Future Cat Lady]

3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I could see that, but this is a man who hurt his 5yrs old sister, FIVE!!, (and his other sisters and an unrelated teenage girl)

If he was just a run of the mill cheater, that would still be wrong (to force the girl to work there) but I wouldn’t be worried for her safety. Tons of people cheat on their spouses, MOST humans would never dream of hurting a child. Josh isn’t a guy with roaming eyes he’s a confessed child molester. 

Very true but that might not be how they see it. If she’s actually living there, they obviously don’t think that’s a problem and that Josh could harm her. 

[Scarlett45]

2 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Very true but that might not be how they see it. If she’s actually living there, they obviously don’t think that’s a problem and that Josh could harm her. 

I think it’s more likely they just don’t care (best case) or they “sold/rented” her for whatever Josh and Anna wanted. (worse case)He confessed to hurting his own sisters- it’s public knowledge. They know it’s possible. 

I don’t buy “they didn’t think Josh was a threat”, that’s like saying “I didn’t know my child could get burned playing with the stove”.