Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[GeeGolly]

It seems Josh would have been given a pretty big heads-up he was being raided, since it's all over the internet.

[farmgal4]

27 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Crystal Ball Katie has a couple of sources on the ground in Fayetteville, so she's digging. Apparently, the Duggars were no-shows at church this morning. 

Well then, I’d say SOMETHING is going down.  I wonder if Derrick made an anonymous phone call and got this entire ball rolling?  Wouldn’t that be rich!

[Lunera]

If she doesn't waste time with stupid rumors why bother answering. 🙄

She's gonna be pissed if the rumor is true. She was super pissed when they cancelled her wedding special after Smug's last scandal.

Edited November 17, 2019 by Lunera

[PikaScrewChu]

Anna has scrubbed all mentions of Cousin Emily from her IG. 

This just gets stranger and stranger.

[JoanArc]

Shorter Amy: “Shit, I gotta breastfeed Daxton, shred my incriminating business documents, and tell my chucklehead husband the cigar bar ain’t happening.”

I have such a fear this is going to be BIG. I just hope to be wrong, and also whatever it is no minors were harmed. If it is BIG I hope it’s they stake that finally puts down Dracula. Something they can’t come back from. 

[FairyDusted]

OOOOOHHH DAMN! Amy is defensive AF! Fucking Josh. Kept my ass up all night and we are hung up on a Sunday Night.

Anna is due any moment, no? Mannnnnnn! It's a bad time to be big pregnant. 

[farmgal4]

8 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

OOOOOHHH DAMN! Amy is defensive AF! Fucking Josh. Kept my ass up all night and we are hung up on a Sunday Night.

Anna is due any moment, no? Mannnnnnn! It's a bad time to be big pregnant. 

Amy has disabled the comments.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Derick deleted a tweet asking if the story of the “raid at the Duggar compound” is true.

I looked back, and it was one person’s comment he deleted. Another one, different person with basically the same question,  is still there. It was posted 16 hours ago.

[libgirl2]

Who is Emily?

[PikaScrewChu]

Just now, libgirl2 said:

Who is Emily?

The grandchild of one of Michelle's relatives that was allegedly living with Josh and Anna for the past little bit. 

[JoanArc]

The Reddit thread that said Derick has nothing to do with this has an update that Law Enforcement is questioning members of the Duggar Family. Take with an entire shaker of salt.

[FairyDusted]

The comments are finding any post to slip in the question. I can’t believe I’m watching this shit! And i’m using 2 screens to post and read. 

Gotta be a deprogramming weekend for that. 

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[PikaScrewChu]

1 minute ago, FairyDusted said:

The comments are finding any post to slip in the question. I can’t believe I’m watching this shit! And i’m using 2 screens to post and read. 

Gotta be a deprogramming weekend for that. 

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I'm actually hating myself for watching this shit show play out. I am supposed to be working. 

[GeeGolly]

@Zella, I think it's time to take one for the team and head over to the Duggar's neck of the woods. 😁🚗🌳🏠🚓📷😉

[PikaScrewChu]

3 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

@Zella, I think it's time to take one for the team and head over to the Duggar's neck of the woods. 😁🚗🌳🏠🚓📷😉

Someone put all of us out of our misery!

[Zella]

15 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

@Zella, I think it's time to take one for the team and head over to the Duggar's neck of the woods. 😁🚗🌳🏠🚓📷😉

Bahahaha I'm actually supposed to be down that way tomorrow. 

I've been checking local reporters' Twitter accounts and so far nothing. 

Has anyone in the family posted anything "normal" today? If they've all gone radio silent, that seems pretty significant.

[PikaScrewChu]

Jeremy has an IG story up. That's about it. 

[Sew Sumi]

54 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Anna has scrubbed all mentions of Cousin Emily from her IG. 

This just gets stranger and stranger.

I was sitting on the Cousin Emily stuff. She's only 11 or 12 years old. ☹️

[Future Cat Lady]

4 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I was sitting on the Cousin Emily stuff. She's only 11 or 12 years old. ☹️

Someone on Reddit that claims to be in law enforcement says that "molesting or sexually abusing a minor is a state issue and not a Federal issue".  

However, if the kid is living with Josh and Anna, someone could've called CPS. With Josh's past, it would be concerning since she's not their child. 

[JoanArc]

7 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I was sitting on the Cousin Emily stuff. She's only 11 or 12 years old. ☹️

 Her presence in that house made no sense. Why did they say she was living there? 

[Sew Sumi]

She's a "helper."

[PikaScrewChu]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 Her presence in that house made no sense. Why did they say she was living there? 

So Emily's father Will was the co-founder of Courageous Men of the Word with Dwain Swanson. 

http://courageousmenoftheword.com/

His wife Angela is Michelle's cousin. 

As @Sew Sumi said she was a "helper". She's been with the Smuggars for over a year now. 

Also makes you realize how small these circles really are when Lauren's dad is hanging out with Meech's cousins. 

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She's a "helper."

The literally live in the compound. Such, such BS. Of course you knew that. 

And honestly - that sounds like trafficking if it’s a year. The Duggars can’t leave their kids alone for 5 mins, but this girl lives with smuggar for a year. IF they are being questioned by police I’m glad they didn’t have 3 years to get their stories straight this time.

Edited November 18, 2019 by JoanArc

[Oldernowiser]

In what world is a child loaned out to the Smuggar household of all places for a year???? Like she’s a toaster? 

They’re all insane.

Edited November 18, 2019 by Oldernowiser

[DangerousMinds]

A “helper?” Seriously, WTF?

[Bewitched]

Molestation would be a state issue, but I think posting images on the internet would be federal.  Please God don't let that be happening.

This is fascinating but its a weird rumor to come out of the blue.

[Future Cat Lady]

12 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She's a "helper."

Could it be "human trafficking"? If she's there as a helper, it could be child labor.

[Sew Sumi]

Oh, it's definitely child labor. Mack already has a ton of same-aged aunts to play with over at the TTH. 

[Churchhoney]

15 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She's a "helper."

And Welcome to Gilead. 

[Bewitched]

I don't see it as trafficking.  I see it as Anna has too many children to take care of and she found a "mother's helper".  That is usually a tween girl who comes and distracts children while the mom can do chores or cook dinner.  I've never heard of a "live-in" at that age.  Very odd, but not necessarily criminal.  

[Churchhoney]

14 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

2 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

14 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

So Emily's father Will was the co-founder of Courageous Men of the Word with Dwain Swanson. 

http://courageousmenoftheword.com/

Nice to know that irony is not dead, though, right? argh. 

2 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

I don't see it as trafficking.  I see it as Anna has too many children to take care of and she found a "mother's helper".  That is usually a tween girl who comes and distracts children while the mom can do chores or cook dinner.  I've never heard of a "live-in" at that age.  Very odd, but not necessarily criminal.  

Of course it used to happen all the time....for centuries....prior to 1910 or so ....

Good lord. 

Obviously this is why we need the patriarchy keeping the wimmins and gurlz in their place. Somebody has to take care of all those blessings. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[Sew Sumi]

2 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

I don't see it as trafficking.  I see it as Anna has too many children to take care of and she found a "mother's helper".  That is usually a tween girl who comes and distracts children while the mom can do chores or cook dinner.  I've never heard of a "live-in" at that age.  Very odd, but not necessarily criminal.  

It's criminal if something happened to Emily. 

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, Bewitched said:

I don't see it as trafficking.  I see it as Anna has too many children to take care of and she found a "mother's helper".  That is usually a tween girl who comes and distracts children while the mom can do chores or cook dinner.  I've never heard of a "live-in" at that age.  Very odd, but not necessarily criminal.  

Transporting a person, a child at that, to a situation where they work for you, with no means of escape, and no control over anything is human trafficking. It takes many forms, but is still exploitation. Some sites are saying it was only financial exploitation of a minor. I hope that’s true.

[PikaScrewChu]

Anna clearly didn't have enough daughters in a row to be sister-moms and the Duggars weren't willing to lend out the aunts quite yet. 

Remember that the J'Slaves and Joy were flying to help Anna out quite often while Josh was in DC. And that was when Anna only had 3. I imagine Anna got a wee bit too used to "help" and someone with similar beliefs was willing to farm out their child. For whatever reasons. It seems strange a fundie family would give up the only daughter and at such a young age too.

[Zella]

Agreed with everyone noting that molestation on its own is not federal, so if the FBI came to visit, something much worse happened. For the sake of any potential victims, I really hope whatever it was was financial.

Also agreed with whomever noted that an FBI raid is not subtle. My dad still talks about when the FBI came to Huntsville, AR, back in the 90s. (This is Madison County, where the Forsyths live.) He said there were black SUVs and stern-looking dudes in suits swarming the place, and they didn't care who saw them and they definitely took their time. 

[Churchhoney]

Nice to think that a super-godly homeschooling family is a-ok with handing one of its pre-teen children off to work at another homeschool, basically. 

These people are truly vile. Every one of them. 

[Oldernowiser]

I do wonder if FBI raids in the SM age aren’t handled differently now...any big blatant effort is likely to end up on SM and be a risk for a potential lawsuit?

[JoanArc]

10 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

It seems strange a fundie family would give up the only daughter and at such a young age too.

 Suspicious in the extreme, I’d say. 

3 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

hese people are truly vile. Every one of them. 

Amen. 

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I do wonder if FBI raids in the SM age aren’t handled differently now...any big blatant effort is likely to end up on SM and be a risk for a potential lawsuit?

FWIW the FBI can investigate without an actual ‘raid’.

Edited November 18, 2019 by JoanArc

[BitterApple]

I'm beyond mind-boggled. Even if this FBI raid is rumor, who the hell sends their 11 year-old daughter to live in the home of a known child molester? Jesus Christ, what is wrong with these people? 

Edited November 18, 2019 by BitterApple

[galaxygirl76]

7 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Nice to think that a super-godly homeschooling family is a-ok with handing one of its pre-teen children off to work at another homeschool, basically. 

These people are truly vile. Every one of them. 

Not to mention the fact that she got send to live with a guy who molested his younger sisters.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, PoshSprinkles said:

The raid I talked about happened less than three years ago. If a raid happens, the person/corporation has been watched and investigated for a while and the FBI has more than enough to nail them. The raid is normally the final “gotcha” to make their case. Make no mistake- if the feds come and raid your home, it’s about 99% certain that you’re going to prison. 

Yeah I've read federal cases are usually pretty open and shut, and that's why they have such a high success rate in court. They don't waste time on arresting you and charging you unless they know they have a lot of evidence against you. 

[Churchhoney]

9 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm beyond mind-boggled. Even if this FBI raid is rumor, who the hell sends their 11 year-old daughter to live in the home of a known child molester? Jesus Christ, what is wrong with these people? 

Apparently a "Courageous Man of the Word" does, according to reports here. Since her father is nutso Dwain S's partner. 

Very courageous of him, farming out young children to take the strain off his family and help support somebody else's, isn't it? 

School? What's that? She's training to be a meek mother of multitudes, I suppose. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Churchhoney

[JoanArc]

4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Apparently a "Courageous Man of the Word" does, according to reports here. 

Very courageous of him, isn't it? 

Very ballsy, anyway.

I’m reminded of some Arkansas state rep who, a few years ago, basically adopted and then ‘rehomed’ a little girl to a new family after having her awhile. I can’t remember the name but it reeked of trafficking. I believe the Duggars supported him politically, too.

edit : Justin Harris

Edited November 18, 2019 by JoanArc

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Very ballsy, anyway.

I’m reminded of some Arkansas state rep who, a few years ago, basically adopted and then ‘rehomed’ a little girl to a new family after having her awhile. I can’t remember the name but it reeked of trafficking. I believe the Duggars supported him politically, too.

edit : Justin Harris

Yes, that was a huge scandal--I remember that!

[libgirl2]

48 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

She's a "helper."

Sad. She should be in school not being used as slave labor and possible sex toy for that bastard. WTF is wrong with these people??

[Temperance]

45 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

So Emily's father Will was the co-founder of Courageous Men of the Word with Dwain Swanson. 

http://courageousmenoftheword.com/

His wife Angela is Michelle's cousin. 

As @Sew Sumi said she was a "helper". She's been with the Smuggars for over a year now. 

Also makes you realize how small these circles really are when Lauren's dad is hanging out with Meech's cousins. 

No, Will is Michelle's nephew.  I've posted this before. Will (Emily's father) is the son of Michelle's sister Pamela. 

Edited November 18, 2019 by Temperance

[JoanArc]

Just now, Zella said:

Yes, that was a huge scandal--I remember that!

 Thank God I’m not the only one. I’m pretty sure I read about it on this forum. It is getting off topic so I will not say more, only that this kind of thing is rare, but also happens more than you would expect and is devastating. 

 I’m really hoping Jim Bob just used car lots for money laundering, or tried to rip off the Bahamas for $20,000 worth of fuel. That would be bad enough. 

[mythoughtis]

19 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I do wonder if FBI raids in the SM age aren’t handled differently now...any big blatant effort is likely to end up on SM and be a risk for a potential lawsuit?

Not likely.  Illinois politicians are sometimes the subject of FBI raids ( political corruption).  They dont hide their presence at all. 

[libgirl2]

38 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Anna clearly didn't have enough daughters in a row to be sister-moms and the Duggars weren't willing to lend out the aunts quite yet. 

Remember that the J'Slaves and Joy were flying to help Anna out quite often while Josh was in DC. And that was when Anna only had 3. I imagine Anna got a wee bit too used to "help" and someone with similar beliefs was willing to farm out their child. For whatever reasons. It seems strange a fundie family would give up the only daughter and at such a young age too.

If Anna can't watch her kids then she needs to stop popping them out. Help every so often is fine, underage live in help with a pedophile husband is wrong, wrong and evil 

Edited November 18, 2019 by libgirl2

[PikaScrewChu]

14 minutes ago, Temperance said:

No, Will is Michelle's nephew.  I've posted this before. Will (Emily's father) is the son of Michelle's sister Pamela. 

Thanks for correcting! I should have checked closer. It makes you wonder how members of Meech's family ended up fundie too.