Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Rabbittron]

5 hours ago, Temperance said:

what is RU?

It's a place called reformers unanimous where Smuggar  went there to get rid of his sex addictions and where he might have gone back to.  Look it up on the internet.

[DangerousMinds]

If the place didn't truly work the first time, why send him back there?

[Arwen Evenstar]

7 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

The only thing worth watching is Cisco in the second section. Not to fat-shame, but he went to RU for a food addiction, and it doesn't appear that he's lost any weight since I first saw him. Doesn't say much for the success of RU. 

The other reason I don’t watch is that my headship will think I’ve truly lost my damn mind. 

1 minute ago, DangerousMinds said:

If the place didn't truly work the first time, why send him back there?

It’s all about control.  Boob knows he won’t have control over his phone anymore while he’s there, and he’s too old for ALERT.

[Rabbittron]

7 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

The other reason I don’t watch is that my headship will think I’ve truly lost my damn mind. 

It’s all about control.  Boob knows he won’t have control over his phone anymore while he’s there, and he’s too old for ALERT.

If Smuggar really needs a phone he can always get a flip phone no Internet and some come without a camera. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 minute ago, Rabbittron said:

If Smuggar really needs a phone he can always get a flip phone no Internet and some come without a camera. 

At one time he had a flip phone of shame. He’d probably take pictures of his pud and text them

[Jynnan tonnix]

7 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

I  just freezed-framed it and if is not Smuggar then it is his doppelganger.

On the other hand there seem to be an inordinate number of doppelgangers in the Fundie community. Just look at how many just in the Duggar family seem to marry someone who looks as though he or she could be a sibling. There are probably any number of dissipated versions of Children of the Corn out there...

[Rabbittron]

24 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

On the other hand there seem to be an inordinate number of doppelgangers in the Fundie community. Just look at how many just in the Duggar family seem to marry someone who looks as though he or she could be a sibling. There are probably any number of dissipated versions of Children of the Corn out there...

But how many went to RU to treat their sex addictions?

[Marshmallow Mollie]

If he is there, this would be his third time in what the Duggars consider rehab. I wonder how many chances Anna gives him? I wonder how many chances he gets before they get him some real help? Both are rhetorical questions, or course.

[tabloidlover]

I'm trying to understand the non-logical logic that Boob and crew use and I still don't get it.   Josh was sent to Alert (more than once, I believe), still had issues and had to be sent off to work on some building somewhere for a few months.   Still not cured,  he was married off toot sweet so he would be able to have all the sex he wanted.   That still didn't "fix" him and it blew up in epic proportions and he ended up at RU for 6 months.  And now it seems that he might be back again.   Do I have that right?

My question is, why does Boob believe in Alert for his kids as it clearly didn't work for Josh?   And why would he send him back to RU if SIX months of "treatment" there didn't take?   What who is the common denominator??  Hello??   Boob proves himself more of an idiot every single day.

[queenanne]

51 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

I'm trying to understand the non-logical logic that Boob and crew use and I still don't get it.   Josh was sent to Alert (more than once, I believe), still had issues and had to be sent off to work on some building somewhere for a few months.   Still not cured,  he was married off toot sweet so he would be able to have all the sex he wanted.   That still didn't "fix" him and it blew up in epic proportions and he ended up at RU for 6 months.  And now it seems that he might be back again.   Do I have that right?

My question is, why does Boob believe in Alert for his kids as it clearly didn't work for Josh?   And why would he send him back to RU if SIX months of "treatment" there didn't take?   What who is the common denominator??  Hello??   Boob proves himself more of an idiot every single day.

They, like good little sheeple, use Bill Gothard's logic.  (Which Anna also uses, because her family follows it.)

His warped teachings are the common denominator.

More here:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

[DangerousMinds]

1 hour ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

If he is there, this would be his third time in what the Duggars consider rehab. I wonder how many chances Anna gives him? I wonder how many chances he gets before they get him some real help? Both are rhetorical questions, or course.

IMO addictions are serious issues and Josh needs help, but that would include real therapy and counseling and they aren't going to get that.

[queenanne]

10 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

IMO addictions are serious issues and Josh needs help, but that would include real therapy and counseling and they aren't going to get that.

Yes, as we've said before, Jesus is the only permitted coping mechanism.  I'm surprised the Duggars allow themselves to take aspirin.  Maybe they don't.  Have we ever seen them take aspirin? 

...I know there was talk about them going to the dentist and I assume they were permitted novocaine, so perhaps disregard my nonsense.

[Zahdii]

Josh has five kids that I know of, and he seemed less and less enthusiastic about each new pregnancy announcement, while Anna used to talk about her constant baby fever.  Are they still at five, or is Anna gestating number six?

[Sew Sumi]

4 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

At one time he had a flip phone of shame. He’d probably take pictures of his pud and text them

Aaaaand up comes brunch.

[Temperance]

2 hours ago, queenanne said:

They, like good little sheeple, use Bill Gothard's logic.  (Which Anna also uses, because her family follows it.)

His warped teachings are the common denominator.

More here:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

The link isn't working. 

[Marigold]

i didn't want the RU shit show but I absolutely think Josh is in Jesus Jail because Satan built a fortress in his heart.

[Absolom]

That fortress isn't coming down any time soon either.  I don't care how many RU tours Josh does.  It's going to take something besides more Bible memorizing to help him.  He's had the patter down since he was eight or ten years old.  It doesn't even register with him any more.

[Marigold]

7 minutes ago, Absolom said:

That fortress isn't coming down any time soon either.  I don't care how many RU tours Josh does.  It's going to take something besides more Bible memorizing to help him.  He's had the patter down since he was eight or ten years old.  It doesn't even register with him any more.

You are correct. 

Josh grew up in a home with tons and tons of Bible instruction and THIS is what he did. Repeatedly.  Clearly, the Bible is not enough for Josh and he needs way, way more specialized help.  Duh.  It's pretty obvious. 

Josh must realize his behavior is not normal.  Maybe josh needs to find his own therapy treatment plan that will actually TREAT his issues.  Bible Bingo doesn't seem to be working for him. 

[bigskygirl]

In my opinion, I do not think Josh is realizing his behavior is not normal. I think he feels he is above it all and has gotten away with it for so long. He is an obnoxious, hypocritical narcissist who believes if he says he is sorry and blames the evilness and the devil for his own actions, he will be blessed with God's forgiveness. He was riding the coattail of his family's belief that certain groups like gays and lesbians are the child molesters instead of facing the fact he is one himself. To be honest about it, he does not want to find his own therapy treatment plan because he would have to admit he has some serious problems and get the help he obviously needs and would need to become the man his wife and children needs. It is too easy to blame others instead of taking the blame himself. Of course, he has learn this type of behavior from his two parents. The sad fact is he thinks real therapy and treatment is a sign of weakness. I know people and have family members who believe mental health issues are a sign of weakness and will not seek the help they need also. In the case of the Duggars, it is a sad generation statement being passed on from generation to generation (from JB and Michelle, to their children, and will probably be passed on the grandchildren especially with Josh/Anna, and Jill/Derick.)

[queenanne]

53 minutes ago, Temperance said:

The link isn't working. 

Sorry, it's malfunctioning for some reason.  Try this one:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp

[Rabbittron]

Anyone want to bet that to prove us wrong about Smuggar being in Jesus Jail we will soon be flooded with old photos of Get Brain Bleach ready Microdick Smugs claiming these are new photos of him.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

30 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Anyone want to bet that to prove us wrong about Smuggar being in Jesus Jail we will soon be flooded with old photos of Get Brain Bleach ready Microdick Smugs claiming these are new photos of him.

I sure hope so. The possible reasons for his going back would be masturbating (fine by me), looking at porn (fine by me), cheating on his wife, or inappropriately touching a child. Did I miss a reason? So I sure do hope he is at home with no Satan construction crew in his heart.

[birkenstock]

I think he might be at RU because Jim Bob and Michelle are out of the country for two weeks and they don't trust him to behave.  Josh has no respect for Anna and would go behind her back. Josiah, Jed, and Jer aren't at the car lot to babysit him and John David and Joe have their own responsibilities. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

15 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

I  just freezed-framed it and if is not Smuggar then it is his doppelganger.

I found another Smuggar doppelgänger 

 

Smuggar will look like Chumlee if he doesn’t stop.

[Marigold]

If Josh thinks that his behavior is acceptable and he is fine with it, then he has some serious psychiatric problems. 

I think Josh knows it's wrong and does it anyway because he enjoys it. (not including child molestation-to our knowledge he has not re-offended)

Josh is addicted to porn, women, hook ups and all that stuff.  It's a lot of work to beat an addiction and Josh is lazy. He would rather get a lap dance and hook up than to actually do the hard work involved with getting better. Anna will stand by her man so why even bother? 

Josh needs to pack up Bible Bingo, turn off the porn, zip up and find himself some help. This is not Anna's problem, nor Jim Bob nor Michelle.  It's 2018 and Josh needs to own his behavior.  josh will never ever get better because he doesn't want to.

 

Granted Jim Bob and Michelle handled the molestations SO WRONG but plenty of people have shitty parents and yet, they manage to rise about all of it. Josh doesn't give a shit about anything or anyone. 

[Christina87]

I feel like Josh knows that in the real world, you can hook up and watch porn all you want, and don't even have to get married. Heck, you can be a Christian and still do that!!! I think in his twisted mind, he feels entitled to do these things because it's not his fault that he missed out. I could see him justifying this sick behavior this way. The thing is, he could be free if he just left Anna and the cult, but he would never do that because ironically, the cult holds him least responsible for his behavior. Also, he would have to find a way to support himself and keep his own house, which would not be his style!

[DangerousMinds]

There is nothing inherently wrong with hook ups or porn, IMO. Josh just needs to come to terms with the lifestyle he wants and get honest about it. Which of course has little to no chance of actually happening!

[Marigold]

23 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

There is nothing inherently wrong with hook ups or porn, IMO. Josh just needs to come to terms with the lifestyle he wants and get honest about it. Which of course has little to no chance of actually happening!

That is a good point.  If josh and Anna decided that they want an open marriage or whatever, that's their business. No one really cares. 

But Josh wants the best of both worlds and lands up being a liar, fake a fraud every time. 

His recent sexcapades have deeply hurt Anna and his kids.  Molesting his sisters and friend have affected them. And yet Josh will continue to hurt people with his actions. 

Seems like an addiction to me but maybe he really just wants to run far away. 

[Fuzzysox]

The best thing the Duggars can do is just write Josh off and let Anna be free. He is never going to get better. Feeling trapped in a life he doesn't want to live will make him watch porn more, lust after women, etc. I say let him loose, let him live the life he was never allowed to have. Anna needs to wake up and move on. Josh is never going to want to be what she wants or what the Duggars expect. No amount of fake therapy is going to fix his bitterness and lack of education. Bob should take the blame and realize that the kid is messed up thanks to his doing and cut him loose.

Edited January 22, 2018 by Fuzzysox

[bigskygirl]

Hooking up while married unless your spouse is fine with it, in my opinion, is not right. He is hurting Anna and even putting her at risk for some nasty sexual transmitted diseases by hooking up with other women. It also shows he has no respect for her, or in some ways, no respect for himself either. He is also hurting his children by his actions. Now if he decided to man up and admit he does not want to be married and be a father then I might have a little sympathy for him. Anna could take the kids and get the help she obviously needs because her children depend on having two happy and well adjusted stable parents. I do feel bad for her at times, but there are times I want to slap her and tell her to snap out of it.

JB does play a role in what has happened with Josh, but I seriously think Josh would have turned to porn and cheated on his spouse even if he grew up in a normal household with normal parents and had a normal life. He thinks the sun does not rise in the morning until he gets up. Like father like son.

Edited January 22, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Marigold]

I agree.

no amount of therapy is going to help Josh because he does not want to change.  Jim Bob keeps dumping him in Jesus Jail. Jim Bob cannot process that Josh is not going to get better.  He will just be controlled for a period of time and then relapse again. 

So then, be honest and leave. Just go. Leave Anna and the children. It will hurt like hell at first but in the end, they will all be better without a fake father and fake husband. 

No to mention the diseases. 

[LilJen]

12 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

If the place didn't truly work the first time, why send him back there?

Jesus said so. It is THE way to recovery, the only way.

10 hours ago, tabloidlover said:

I'm trying to understand the non-logical logic that Boob and crew use and I still don't get it.   Josh was sent to Alert (more than once, I believe), still had issues and had to be sent off to work on some building somewhere for a few months.   Still not cured,  he was married off toot sweet so he would be able to have all the sex he wanted.   That still didn't "fix" him and it blew up in epic proportions and he ended up at RU for 6 months.  And now it seems that he might be back again.   Do I have that right?

My question is, why does Boob believe in Alert for his kids as it clearly didn't work for Josh?   And why would he send him back to RU if SIX months of "treatment" there didn't take?   What who is the common denominator??  Hello??   Boob proves himself more of an idiot every single day.

Total speculation, but I wonder whether Boob & Michelle think "oh, this is our punishment for using birth control after Joshy, our sins of using birth control are being visited on the son." Or their 'sin' of not going full-on Gothard until Josh was, what, toddler age?

[Sew Sumi]

I doubt Boobchelle feel any guilt whatsoever. WE all know that they screwed their kids over, but it never seemed to register with the MOTY and her husband. 

[awaken]

Maybe it’s a continuation of the program- spend several months there for the initial rehab, and go back in every few months for accountability and continued “treatment”.

[Temperance]

Beyond dumping him in Jesus Jail, JB is financially supporting him. JB is also intervening in other ways most likely. I wonder what Anna's parents think of this son-in-law. I have a feeling they prefer Anna remain with Josh.

[Annb67]

5 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I found another Smuggar doppelgänger 

 

Smuggar will look like Chumlee if he doesn’t stop.

Omg!??

31 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Beyond dumping him in Jesus Jail, JB is financially supporting him. JB is also intervening in other ways most likely. I wonder what Anna's parents think of this son-in-law. I have a feeling they prefer Anna remain with Josh.

How do you have a conversation with an in law who molested his siblings, looks at porno and can't stop masturbating.

So Josh, read any good books lately? I mean, no nevermind.

Seen any good movies...oh wait, don't want the answer to that question...

Edited January 22, 2018 by Annb67

[MORGANH]

If Josh really is in RU, this could really be part of the redemption scheme. “See? He continues his hard work at counseling to this day.” They could even spin it as he is a really is a recovering guest speaker. Who knows?  As for Anna, if she left, in her mind , where would she go? She seems so indoctrinated into the lifestyle, as are her family and “friends”, she has been taught to only believe that, as a wife you stay, submit, and support your headship. She probably believes that if she leaves, she will not be financially or emotionally supported and has been convinced continually to stay by these influencers. The alternative is probably not an option for her in her life.  It really seems like she is over a barrel.

Just a thought.

[Sew Sumi]

Smuggar was not a guest speaker on the day the plane went to Rockford. I checked all three sections to be sure. 

[GeeGolly]

The only way Josh is getting any on the side is to hire a prostitute and it doesn't seem that he has any discernible income, so I don't think he is.

I wonder if RU thinks is better not to advertise when Josh comes as a speaker. Last time some Duggs showed up in that area there were photos of them at a small airport. And when Josh was attending there RU's live chat was blown up. They might have put 2 and 2 together.

I'm still not buying into Josh having an addiction. I think he's an entitled sleazy asshole. I'm hoping the public and private backlash was enough for Josh to realize he's just a low life dude from a public Fundy family.

I think its unfortunate if RU is having him speak as a success story because I don't think he had a problem in the first place and it plays into Josh's cop out of a lie.

[Marigold]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

The only way Josh is getting any on the side is to hire a prostitute and it doesn't seem that he has any discernible income, so I don't think he is.

I wonder if RU thinks is better not to advertise when Josh comes as a speaker. Last time some Duggs showed up in that area there were photos of them at a small airport. And when Josh was attending there RU's live chat was blown up. They might have put 2 and 2 together.

I'm still not buying into Josh having an addiction. I think he's an entitled sleazy asshole. I'm hoping the public and private backlash was enough for Josh to realize he's just a low life dude from a public Fundy family.

I think its unfortunate if RU is having him speak as a success story because I don't think he had a problem in the first place and it plays into Josh's cop out of a lie.

Yeah, it's tricky.

Is he someone who really has problems and struggles with an addiction?  Or is he just a guy who enjoys porn, hook ups etc. and has no desire to change because he is happy doing those things?

On one hand, (haha) I think he is just a self entitled jerk who doesn't care about anyone but then I think about the molestation. He was only about 14 or 15, right? That's pretty sick and deviant behavior so that makes me think he has some serious problems. 

On the other hand, if he really struggled with addictive behaviors, why doesn't he seek real help for himself?

Or maybe he is so sick that he doesn't even realize how sick he is?

[lookeyloo]

15 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

I found another Smuggar doppelgänger 

 

Smuggar will look like Chumlee if he doesn’t stop.

Allegedly chumlee has had weight loss surgery and has his teeth fixed. We used to watch that show. Another scripted "reality" show. Not real at all. 

Edited January 22, 2018 by lookeyloo
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[bigskygirl]

12 hours ago, Temperance said:

Beyond dumping him in Jesus Jail, JB is financially supporting him. JB is also intervening in other ways most likely. I wonder what Anna's parents think of this son-in-law. I have a feeling they prefer Anna remain with Josh.

Anna's parents were drooling in their socks when Josh got the D.C. job. They probably think Anna hit the jackpot when she married Josh. Sadly they probably told her she is married now and to stand by him no matter what.

In the case of where would Anna go if she dumped Josh. Women everyday leave their husband because of abuse, cheating, etc. etc. without any help from family or friends. There are resources Anna could go to for help. She has been brainwashed to believe it is all her fault Josh cheated, so she stays with him no matter what. She does not seem to realize staying with him is the worse thing for her and the children.

I think Josh was more upset over the fact he was caught and called out for his bs than the fact he molested his sisters and cheating on his wife and was looking at porn. Josh is out for himself, and no one else. He may know what he is doing is hurting Anna and the kids, but he does not care at all. The Duggar clan made more of a fuss over the fact he cheated and looks at porn than the fact he molested four of his sisters more than once.  This speaks volumes. JB is more upset over the fact the original show was canceled, and people are calling him out for his crap too. Who cares if my son is a molester, cheater and porn watcher. Who cares if he molested four of my daughters more than once. It is all about the fame and glory with these people.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Does Josh know he isn't getting real help? 

I agree molesting his sisters indicates he has a larger issue. I can't get past what he did to Joy.

Since he knows how to Google porn, he would know how to Google to seek help, if he wanted it.

[questionfear]

32 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Anna's parents were drooling in their socks when Josh got the D.C. job. They probably think Anna hit the jackpot when she married Josh. Sadly they probably told her she is married now and to stand by him no matter what.

In the case of where would Anna go if she dumped Josh. Women everyday leave their husband because of abuse, cheating, etc. etc. without any help from family or friends. There are resources Anna could go to for help. She has been brainwashed to believe it is all her fault Josh cheated, so she stays with him no matter what. She does not seem to realize staying with him is the worse thing for her and the children.

I think Josh was more upset over the fact he was caught and called out for his bs than the fact he molested his sisters and cheating on his wife and was looking at porn. Josh is out for himself, and no one else. He may know what he is doing is hurting Anna and the kids, but he does not care at all. The Duggar clan made more of a fuss over the fact he cheated and looks at porn than the fact he molested four of his sisters more than once.  This speaks volumes. JB is more upset over the fact the original show was canceled, and people are calling him out for his crap too. Who cares if my son is a molester, cheater and porn watcher. Who cares if he molested four of my daughters more than once. It is all about the fame and glory with these people.

She's absolutely been brainwashed and manipulated...I also wonder if she would have an easier time walking away alone, but with the kids in tow she has added guilt of feeling like she's risking not only her own soul but her kids as well (at least I'm guessing that's how it is being presented to her). 

[Almost 3000]

23 hours ago, queenanne said:

Yes, as we've said before, Jesus is the only permitted coping mechanism.  I'm surprised the Duggars allow themselves to take aspirin.  Maybe they don't.  Have we ever seen them take aspirin? 

...I know there was talk about them going to the dentist and I assume they were permitted novocaine, so perhaps disregard my nonsense.

The Duggars have been shown to have many OTC meds around and prescriptions as needed.

[xwordfanatik]

4 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Allegedly chumlee has had weight loss surgery and has his teeth fixed. We used to watch that show. Another scripted "reality" show. Not real at all. 

Yep, stagy as hell.  I did get a kick out of the Old Man, but the rest was kind of ho-hum.

[Zahdii]

I don't think Josh has seriously tried to seek real help. 

* He was raised as the Golden Child, and even though that's no longer his public role, he might have internalized it to the point where what the heathen public thinks doesn't matter to him in the least. 

* He was raised to think that all problems are solved by prayer.  Prayer might tell him to allow the use of doctors for physical maladies, but for personality defecits, I think praying for forgiveness and expecting forgiveness from everyone else is what he's been taught.  It's certainly the easiest way to get by.

* If Josh were to seek help from a qualified therapist he'd have to talk about things that he'd been taught to never discuss, and he'd have to do some real soul searching and introspection.  That's not easy. 

* He'd then have to examine his motivations and beliefs, and acknowledge the stuff that was wrong, knowing that he might find out he was sold a bill of goods by his parents and religion.  That's not easy. 

* He'd have to try to understand how his actions have hurt others by putting himself in their place.  He'd have to accept blame for what he's done.  That's not easy.

* He'd have to form a plan to move forward.  Realize what was holding him back, like accepting life under his fathers thumb.  He'd have to get a job that he has to work at.  He might have to realize his education sucks and go back to school.  He'd have to tell his wife that he doesn't want any more children.  He'd be encouraged to move to a home where he paid his own rent and utilities.  He'd almost certainly have to tell his parents that their role in his life has to change to supportive parents and not nanny parents.  That's not easy.

* He might even have to really apologize to the people he's hurt, an apology that came from an understanding of his actions and a true desire to make amends.  That's not easy.

None of that is easy.  In fact, it's damned hard, and it would certainly take a very long time to accomplish, but he'd have to work at it.

Josh doesn't do work.  He doesn't think, take blame, or make changes that go against the way he was raised.  Josh sneaks around and gets what he wants on the sly if it doesn't jell with the status quo.  He cries and asks for forgiveness when he's caught, fully expecting the slate to be wiped clean so he can start sneaking around again the instant he's given the smallest bit of leeway. 

Josh is lazy, manipulative, arrogant, and still very much the Golden CHILD.  He won't try to grow up, his parents won't try to push him to grow up, but if they did, TLC would step in and give him a new show:  Josh Duggar is Breaking Free.  Enjoy his madcap adventures as he struggles to be self sufficient, right the wrongs of his past, and learns how to live in a whole new way!

Edited January 22, 2018 by Zahdii
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[bigskygirl]

19 minutes ago, Zahdii said:

I don't think Josh has seriously tried to seek real help. 

* He was raised as the Golden Child, and even though that's no longer his public role, he might have internalized it to the point where what the heathen public thinks doesn't matter to him in the least. 

* He was raised to think that all problems are solved by prayer.  Prayer might tell him to allow the use of doctors for physical maladies, but for personality defecits, I think praying for forgiveness and expecting forgiveness from everyone else is what he's been taught.  It's certainly the easiest way to get by.

* If Josh were to seek help from a qualified therapist he'd have to talk about things that he'd been taught to never discuss, and he'd have to do some real soul searching and introspection.  That's not easy. 

* He'd then have to examine his motivations and beliefs, and acknowledge the stuff that was wrong, knowing that he might find out he was sold a bill of goods by his parents and religion.  That's not easy. 

* He'd have to try to understand how his actions have hurt others by putting himself in their place.  He'd have to accept blame for what he's done.  That's not easy.

* He'd have to form a plan to move forward.  Realize what was holding him back, like accepting life under his fathers thumb.  He'd have to get a job that he has to work at.  He might have to realize his education sucks and go back to school.  He'd have to tell his wife that he doesn't want any more children.  He'd be encouraged to move to a home where he paid his own rent and utilities.  He'd almost certainly have to tell his parents that their role in his life has to change to supportive parents and not nanny parents.  That's not easy.

* He might even have to really apologize to the people he's hurt, an apology that came from an understanding of his actions and a true desire to make amends.  That's not easy.

None of that is easy.  In fact, it's damn hard, and it would certainly take a very long time to accomplish, but he'd have to work at it.

Josh doesn't do work.  He doesn't think, take blame, or make changes that go against the way he was raised.  Josh sneaks around and gets what he wants on the sly if it doesn't jell with the status quo.  He cries and asks for forgiveness when he's caught, fully expecting the slate to be wiped clean so he can start sneaking around again the instant he's given the smallest bit of leeway. 

Josh is lazy, manipulative, arrogant, and still very much the Golden CHILD.  He won't try to grow up, his parents won't try to push him to grow up, but if they did, TLC would step in and give him a new show:  Josh Duggar is Breaking Free.  Enjoy his madcap adventures as he struggles to be self sufficient, right the wrongs of his past, and learns how to live in a whole new way!

There is not enough likes in the universe for this post!

I would not be surprised if JB tried to push for a new Duggar show where Josh is seeking treatment for his bad behavior and tries to get rid of the evilness and devil from his soul.

Edited January 22, 2018 by bigskygirl

[Nysha]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I would not be surprised if JB tried to push for a new Duggar show where Josh is seeking treatment for his bad behavior and tries to get rid of the evilness and devil from his soul.

 

If/when TLC or another channel agrees to film the Smuggars, this will be the very special episode the precedes the season.

[Darknight]

I wonder how Anna feels. She did everything right. She's fundie, was a virgin, saved her heart, followed Jesus. She was promised this would never happen. Now look what's going on. Josh cheated and molested his siblings. So this whole cult shit doesn't even work.