Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[zoomama]

i , personally, would prefer the titles to just be simple and denote each family, not each specific kid. also, i would love to see it be less mean and more neutral since were just talking about subforums. let all the snark be within; keep the groupings simple. 

[anna0852]

Anna is due to whelp again soon isn't she?

[Sew Sumi]

Probably sooner rather than later. She knew sex in March, 4 months ago, almost to the day. She could go at any time or four weeks from now depending on how far along she was when she got her boutique ultrasound. 

[Readalot]

Despicable ME 4: The Josh Duggar Story. Asshole. 

[Rabbittron]

Perfect name for the new baby McSmuggar?

[magpye29]

On 3/25/2017 at 10:02 AM, Churchhoney said:

And if you've never had something like this done to you, you will never ever understand and, most likely, never even believe that it can be done. I've spent a lifetime trying to explain it, and I have yet to see anybody really believe it or be able to get their mind around it if something similar hasn't happened to them. 

ChurchHoney, I've been in therapy for years trying to figure this out, and you just said it so clearly that it was a genuine AHA! moment for me.  I didn't break away from my parents till I was 25, when my future ex-husband said we were through if I didn't move into my own apartment.  I don't even understand why or how I stayed so long, but I was so unprepared for real life.  After 30 years away, I had mended my fences with my father, but still had issues with my mother.  When my father died in March of this year, my mother's behavior brought all those issues up to the surface again, and I literally cried for three months straight.  I get it now.  We were conditioned to obey instantly, no questions allowed, punished harshly for relatively slight infractions, and kept off-balance because we always believed that whatever we did, our parents were going to beat the living crap out of us.  Even now, I feel slightly sick when I have to spend time with my mother.  I live right across the street from her and if I see her once a week, it's a big week.  Thank you for clearly explaining what has had me baffled for my entire life.  (I'm way behind in reading this thread, as you can see, but it was worth slogging through it just for your post!)

[Churchhoney]

56 minutes ago, magpye29 said:

ChurchHoney, I've been in therapy for years trying to figure this out, and you just said it so clearly that it was a genuine AHA! moment for me.  I didn't break away from my parents till I was 25, when my future ex-husband said we were through if I didn't move into my own apartment.  I don't even understand why or how I stayed so long, but I was so unprepared for real life.  After 30 years away, I had mended my fences with my father, but still had issues with my mother.  When my father died in March of this year, my mother's behavior brought all those issues up to the surface again, and I literally cried for three months straight.  I get it now.  We were conditioned to obey instantly, no questions allowed, punished harshly for relatively slight infractions, and kept off-balance because we always believed that whatever we did, our parents were going to beat the living crap out of us.  Even now, I feel slightly sick when I have to spend time with my mother.  I live right across the street from her and if I see her once a week, it's a big week.  Thank you for clearly explaining what has had me baffled for my entire life.  (I'm way behind in reading this thread, as you can see, but it was worth slogging through it just for your post!)

Oh, I'm sorry you've had to go through this. And sorry that your mother is perched right there. I was lucky enough to get far away and I know the feelings receded faster for me than for those who lived very near..... Hang in there. Remember that this happened because of a situation you couldn't control -- there's nothing wrong with you!

(I admit that I'm always glad to find that there are some people who do understand me, though! -- although being someone who does is not a good thing...)

Edited July 21, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Sew Sumi]

Moving from other threads, I can't find the toilet birth (honestly didn't search that hard), but I found this post birth video. Note the name of Smuggar's car lot when he pontificates. I almost peed myself; I laughed that hard. 

[Heathen]

I remember video of Smuggar walking from the bedroom to the bathroom in time to catch Michael, or at least witness the birth. I also think Ofsmuggar's labor with Michael was longer than her first labor, or at least TLC presented it that way. 

[Temperance]

Somone did a long post on the Jinger thread about Anna and her home births. One of things the poster said is Anna had the baby at home so they could film it. Michelle had had Jordyn less than a year before in a hospital and it was filmed for TLC. She had most of the babies born while they were filming shows and specials at hospital and filmed. Josie's birth wasn't filmed because it was a c-section, although they did film at the hospital.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Temperance

[doodlebug]

4 hours ago, Temperance said:

Somone did a long post on the Jinger thread about Anna and her home births. One of things you said is Anna had the baby at home so they could film it. Michelle had had Jordyn less than a year before in a hospital and it was filmed for TLC. She had most of the babies born while they were filming shows and specials at hospital and filmed. Josie's birth wasn't filmed because it was a c-section, although they did film at the hospital.

That's true, but, over the years, there's been a change and many hospitals no longer allow filming of actual births because of the risk of footage being used in malpractice cases.

Also, in Anna's case, she was planning to go to the hospital for her first birth but changed her mind when her doctor was going out of town. Most likely, the doctor who was covering refused to be filmed and their deal with TLC paid more if they could film the birth, so Smuggar decided she would stay home to maximize the payday.

[Rabbittron]

Only had a homebirth because her doctor was out of town and the Doctor Who filled in for her was a male

[poopchute]

14 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Only had a homebirth because her doctor was out of town and the Doctor Who filled in for her was a male

That is absurd.

[floridamom]

Boy, did Anna sound tired and out of it in that video. Michael was one week old and it didn't look like Josh was helping Anna out much. She sounded pretty weak to me.

[Rabbittron]

31 minutes ago, floridamom said:

Boy, did Anna sound tired and out of it in that video. Michael was one week old and it didn't look like Josh was helping Anna out much. She sounded pretty weak to me.

 Why should the anointed one help out?

[Barb23]

2 hours ago, floridamom said:

Boy, did Anna sound tired and out of it in that video. Michael was one week old and it didn't look like Josh was helping Anna out much. She sounded pretty weak to me.

Yes she did.  No wonder - she had a long hard labor if I recall.  It didn't sound like she got much rest as Smugs told us Michael didn't nurse much but often.  Plus having to deal with Mackenzie. 

[xwordfanatik]

Integrity + Smuggar= oxymoron.  Emphasis on the moron!

No kidding, I laughed too.  Ol' Smuggar was looking chunky even then.  But that's OK for the menfolk.

[Barb23]

14 hours ago, Christina87 said:

This may be weird, but for some reason it squicks me out that these girls wear their normal clothes for birthing! I guess everyone I've known has given birth in he hospital, in a gown, and they couldn't show naked or semi-naked births on tv. I believe it was the toilet birth where Anna was wearing a casual maroon polo, that looked like something she was about to run to the bank in and then come home and fix dinner. Jessa also had worn normal outfits. It just always seems like they would be more comfortable in PJ's or something. Idk, it might not bother anybody else, but think how weird it would be if Anna wore that shirt and Michael said he liked it or something. "Thanks, son! I had this on when i pushed you out of my vagina on the toilet!"

just...icccccck. 

Brought this over from Jinger thread. Yes, I noticed  & thinks it's weird.  I remember Anna wearing the polo shirt. How comfortable was that - wearing a constructed type shirt?  One of Josh's t-shirts would have been better. I think Jessa had a long sleeved, tight (of course) shirt on for Henry's birth.  I can't imagine having on a long sleeved tight anything while giving birth....just too hot.  I agree, there are a lot of comfortable cheap night shirts out there to wear that could be just thrown away after the birth.  Good grief, Jana or Anna (the seamstresses in the family) should be able to whip up something.

[Zahdii]

I doubt Anna has ever expected much help from Smuggar.  I'm pretty sure that he made her carry the luggage when they checked into their room the first night on their honeymoon.

I also recall him sitting on a couch and telling Mac, who was about three at the time, to carry another piece of luggage out to the car.  The little tyke pulled on the handle a bit and then told him it was too heavy.  If I had to be fair, I think he was just teasing her, but I strongly dislike Smuggar so I reserve the right to use this as another example of his laziness.

[latetotheparty]

17 minutes ago, Zahdii said:

I doubt Anna has ever expected much help from Smuggar.  I'm pretty sure that he made her carry the luggage when they checked into their room the first night on their honeymoon.

I also recall him sitting on a couch and telling Mac, who was about three at the time, to carry another piece of luggage out to the car.  The little tyke pulled on the handle a bit and then told him it was too heavy.  If I had to be fair, I think he was just teasing her, but I strongly dislike Smuggar so I reserve the right to use this as another example of his laziness.

And showing Mac just what her place is in the world. He is scum. 

[JoanArc]

[Christina87]

2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Integrity + Smuggar= oxymoron.  Emphasis on the moron!

No kidding, I laughed too.  Ol' Smuggar was looking chunky even then.  But that's OK for the menfolk.

Haha that has never made sense! The women are expected to pump out 10+ blessings for Jesus, and can't really exercise while watching them / wearing skirts. However, they are expected to be thin, while everyone understands if the man gains some weight. What the what?

[xwordfanatik]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

Wow.  Is that Jill watching, or is she "helping?"

And this was televised?  Unbelievable!
 

[Sew Sumi]

5 hours ago, doodlebug said:

That's true, but, over the years, there's been a change and many hospitals no longer allow filming of actual births because of the risk of footage being used in malpractice cases.

Also, in Anna's case, she was planning to go to the hospital for her first birth but changed her mind when her doctor was going out of town. Most likely, the doctor who was covering refused to be filmed and their deal with TLC paid more if they could film the birth, so Smuggar decided she would stay home to maximize the payday.

I'm pretty sure that Anna used the same doctor that Mechelle had used for her last few pregnancies. They would have been cleared to film, but Mack came a little early, and Anna rejected the male doctor working for her vacationing OB. 

[poopchute]

If you're opposed to a male doctor, why not seek out a practice with only female doctors? I guess it's not like this everywhere but I thought you had to see all the doctors throughout your pregnancy because any of them could end up delivering your baby. I had to see all three while pregnant and then I ended up having one doctor start the party when it was time to deliver and then another finish the job the next day.  

[doodlebug]

10 minutes ago, poopchute said:

If you're opposed to a male doctor, why not seek out a practice with only female doctors? I guess it's not like this everywhere but I thought you had to see all the doctors throughout your pregnancy because any of them could end up delivering your baby. I had to see all three while pregnant and then I ended up having one doctor start the party when it was time to deliver and then another finish the job the next day.  

I doubt there's a lot of choice out in rural Arkansas.  I seriously doubt, however, that Anna's doctor took call 24/7 anyway, even if she was in solo practice.  I practiced over 20 years solo and did about 90% of my own deliveries and I doubt any other practitioner could've done better than that.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly, but I don't recall Anna specifically saying that she didn't want a male doctor; just that her own doctor wasn't going to be available.  That's why I think it is just as likely that the covering doctor objected to the dog and pony show associated with filming a Duggar birth and that's why she stayed home.  I think many, if not most, doctors wouldn't want to be involved.

[queenanne]

21 minutes ago, poopchute said:

If you're opposed to a male doctor, why not seek out a practice with only female doctors? I guess it's not like this everywhere but I thought you had to see all the doctors throughout your pregnancy because any of them could end up delivering your baby. I had to see all three while pregnant and then I ended up having one doctor start the party when it was time to deliver and then another finish the job the next day.  

I find a lot of things are geographically determined about medicine that you might not ordinarily think of.  My friends and family who don't live in Manhattan, are frequently floored when I inform them that I have to find my own specialist referrals in every discipline known to man.  'Our GP's office does that for us,' as I laugh sardonically.

[kokapetl]

Dr Sarver is/was a woman. She was Michelle's vadge doctor. 

[Sew Sumi]

Right. That's who Anna was hoping to deliver Mack. Smuggar did remark that the doctor on call was male. They must have made backup arrangements with the Fedosky woman just in case she went early, which is what happened.

[GeeGolly]

Did anyone else notice the pillow in the video on Anna's & Josh's bed? It's either a picture of just Josh or Josh and Anna. Wasn't it Mac's birth that Josh was filmed napping while she was in labor?

I can't imagine, being fully in labor, ready to drive to the hospital to give birth to my first child and calmly changing my mind and saying, Nah, I'll just push this sucker out, on my bed, with a couple of women that have been present while babies have been born.

And for me all modesty goes out the window during delivery. I have one goal and one goal only - delivering a baby.

[Heathen]

13 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Brought this over from Jinger thread. Yes, I noticed  & thinks it's weird.  I remember Anna wearing the polo shirt. How comfortable was that - wearing a constructed type shirt?  One of Josh's t-shirts would have been better. I think Jessa had a long sleeved, tight (of course) shirt on for Henry's birth.  I can't imagine having on a long sleeved tight anything while giving birth....just too hot.  I agree, there are a lot of comfortable cheap night shirts out there to wear that could be just thrown away after the birth.  Good grief, Jana or Anna (the seamstresses in the family) should be able to whip up something.

Ofsmuggar wore a polo when she delivered Mackynzie. I remember it distinctly because it was obviously worn sans bra, and I was shocked the holy Duggars would do that on television. 

Edited July 25, 2017 by Heathen

[Sew Sumi]

I thought it was an Arkansas Razorbacks tee, but it's been almost 8 years. I know she labored in Smuggar's tees at points in both of those labors.

[Barb23]

18 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Did anyone else notice the pillow in the video on Anna's & Josh's bed? It's either a picture of just Josh or Josh and Anna. Wasn't it Mac's birth that Josh was filmed napping while she was in labor?

I can't imagine, being fully in labor, ready to drive to the hospital to give birth to my first child and calmly changing my mind and saying, Nah, I'll just push this sucker out, on my bed, with a couple of women that have been present while babies have been born.

And for me all modesty goes out the window during delivery. I have one goal and one goal only - delivering a baby.

Oh yeah, that pillow has been around since their engagement days. I'm sure Anna made it or had it made.  I think Smugs had it in the little trailer he slept in while at Anna's house in Florida during their wedding prep.  IIRC,  Anna had it in the car with them on her lap on the return trip to Arkansas. 

I'm with you about the modesty thing during delivery.  I was spread eagle on the race down the hall to the OR for an emergency Csection.  The poor nurse was trying to keep up to throw a sheet over me.  Luckily it was early evening & hall was empty but like you, all I could care about was delivering my baby. Any other time, I am a modest person. 

[ginger90]

6 minutes ago, Barb23 said:

 

I'm with you about the modesty thing during delivery.  I was spread eagle on the race down the hall to the OR for an emergency Csection.  The poor nurse was trying to keep up to throw a sheet over me.  Luckily it was early evening & hall was empty but like you, all I could care about was delivering my baby. Any other time, I am a modest person. 

I had an unplanned home birth. My daughter was born before the ambulance arrived. My request? Make sure I have socks on! There I was, nothing left to the imagination, and I wanted socks on. Good times.

[Zahdii]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I had an unplanned home birth. My daughter was born before the ambulance arrived. My request? Make sure I have socks on! There I was, nothing left to the imagination, and I wanted socks on. Good times.

I think that was probably a bit of shock, coupled with a very understandable attempt to get some kind of control over the situation, no matter how small.  Seems perfectly normal to me.

[Caracoa1]

Anna was all exposed giving birth for all to see....the Duggar daughters were filmed from the neck up!

[Churchhoney]

On 7/27/2017 at 7:45 PM, Caracoa1 said:

Anna was all exposed giving birth for all to see....the Duggar daughters were filmed from the neck up!

Here's the rule: Married Duggars are very important. Anybody else (including people Duggars are married to, non-married Duggars (except Josie)) .... not. 

[Catfin]

Love the new thread name!

[sometimesy]

1 hour ago, Catfin said:

Love the new thread name!

It's perfect. Just noticed it.

" 'I would advise all our viewers to turn away immediately and watch something more pleasant instead,' says the writer and narrator Lemony Snicket"

[Jynnan tonnix]

9 hours ago, Catfin said:

Love the new thread name!

So do I...even though the one I proposed seemed as though it was in the running for a moment there, this one is  much better :)

[ehall1052]

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Anna was all exposed giving birth for all to see....the Duggar daughters were filmed from the neck up!

Because of this embarrassment, do you think the rule now (for all Duggar births) is showing them from the neck up? I'm sure they don't want anything like that to happen again. The Duggars may not have realized how exposed Anna really was until it was aired.

[louannems]

It makes me laugh to remember Michelle's blotted out knees, when waterskiing,  for crying out loud!  And her silly sheet strung over her belly during ultrasounds!  Yet pour Anna!

[Mrs. P.]

Wasn't Anna supposed to be due in July? Has there been any word on Smuggar #5?

[doodlebug]

3 minutes ago, Mrs. P. said:

Wasn't Anna supposed to be due in July? Has there been any word on Smuggar #5?

Anna has never really said when she's due. 

[Sew Sumi]

All they said with Anna was "summer." 

[truthtalk2014]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

Anna has never really said when she's due. 

At this point, she will probably post pictures of the Smugger baby before we see a Samuel spread.  Maybe they can get a small spot in People.  Gag. 

If anyone finds the toilet birth online, let me know.  How embarrassing for the kid.  I know he won't go to school but his cousins or siblings could tease him.  They said they watch their own show.  

[Genevrier]

Please tell me no media site is willing to pay money for a picture of the fruit of Josh Duggar's loins. Please.

Edited July 30, 2017 by Genevrier

[JoanArc]

20 minutes ago, truthtalk2014 said:

Maybe they can get a small spot in People.  Gag. 

Cover. 'I'm a changed man' in big print. Guranteed. 

[ariel]

And my wife is having a new blessing that I don't have a clue how I will support it.

[latetotheparty]

6 hours ago, ariel said:

And my wife is having a new blessing that I don't have a clue how I will support it.

And don't really want.