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Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

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BitterApple

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Maybe we need to sic those Finding Bigfoot people on the case of the Mysteriously Missing Josh. How is it possible he's been able to fly under the radar this long? Do they have him chained in the basement like that guy from the Goonies?

It's crazy how we don't even have an ambiguously blurry photo of Smugs coming and going from rehab or the TTH.

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hoosier80
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New show title: 10 to 20 Years and Counting 

MargeGunderson
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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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Well, for many of us, it's the difference between 'imperfect' and 'non-PC' and being a criminal.  Josh is a child molester and his parents actively intervened in his situation to avoid him being punis

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Sew Sumi

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Can anyone find out when the last time JD flew Duggar Air to & from Jesus Prison possibly picking up Joshley?

They made the plane records private. The last known flight to RU was the Christmas Eve visit. Anna has pretty much admitted she was on that flight when she made that statement not long ago that she had visited the Smug One. She also likely visited him when the plane made that stop in Rockford en route to the infamous stormy flight back to AR. That was about 45 days before the Christmas visit, so RU's rules appear to have been followed. eta: There was a quickie visit in January, but we suspected that was with regard to the legal proceedings, although it appears that Josh signed documents electronically. It was after this particular visit that the Duggars finally got wind of what the press was doing and went dark.

 

He went to Rockford around 8/24-8/26 (I bet Koka knows the exact day). So, we may be seeing the beginning of the Redemption Tour in something like two weeks as Joshley makes his triumphant return into his obiedient wife's open arms. *gag*

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Marigold

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Too soon for the Redemption Tour...gotta give it a bit longer so it looks legitimate. A year or so...First there will be a book. Co-authored by Josh and Anna Duggar detailing the fire they walked through and how Josh overcame a porn addiction and infideltiy etc.

They will test out the waters with that. When it sells on Amazon, then the tour will begin! Gas up the Stink Bus, Joshie!

Josh should call Jill & Dill about faking careers and all.

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Marigold

Marigold

I dunno. I don't think that Duggar Studios will be able to resist Prodigal Son Returns Home. TLC might balk, but I just have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see some completely manufactured homecoming online in the next couple of weeks.

It IS tempting but Josh was pretty trashed by his siblings on the Jessa&Jill show. TLC did their research and figured that the average person is unhappy with Josh and is fine with angry siblings.

Jim Bob might go out on his own with Duggar Studios but he also might realize that we all hate Josh. heck, Jim Bob hates Josh.

Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

They forgave the molestations, but they can't forgive adultery? I imagine that since those THs were taped back in September, there's been a lot of Coming to Jesus going on in the Duggar household to get them all on the Forgiveness Train. Otherwise, any attempt at a Redemption Tour would fail miserably. 

 

At worst, they now have to openly lie if they want any chance of salvaging their show. 

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GeeGolly

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I don't think TLC will take Josh back. They received so much flack about bringing Jessa and Jill back, and no matter how you paint the picture Josh did molest 5 young girls. And I'm not sure how quickly the Duggar 19 will forgive him this time around. First I think they see his transgressions as accumulative, as in he sinned big and a few years later he sinned big again. Second, they were going to bat for him when the molestations came out, during which time he was sinning big again. Thirdly, I do think it was easier for them to forgive the molestations, not because they think it is a lesser evil, but because the were younger when it happened, it was over 10 years ago, and no matter what we think, the girls seemed to feel protected by their parents, after the fact with the "changes put in place". 

 

Also, this family believes some crazy shit, and I think they'd be slower to bring a Duggar-gone-rogue back into the fold than a repeatedly sinning one.

 

I just don't see TLC filming Josh and they have no reason too. Josh is toxic. The only way I see him back on TV would be on a Dr Phil-like show. They bring on creepy people on all the time under the guise of helping them, all the while exploiting them for monetary gain. A show like that would not be marred by letting Josh try & redeem himself. 

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CofCinci

CofCinci

What job could Anna get with no education and no training that would give her a wage that would allow her enough money even for a small apartment and a car payment. There would have to be a big child support payment and what are the chances of that.

Reality TV star -- her job since entering adulthood!
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Marigold

Marigold

I don't think TLC will take Josh back. They received so much flack about bringing Jessa and Jill back, and no matter how you paint the picture Josh did molest 5 young girls. And I'm not sure how quickly the Duggar 19 will forgive him this time around. First I think they see his transgressions as accumulative, as in he sinned big and a few years later he sinned big again. Second, they were going to bat for him when the molestations came out, during which time he was sinning big again. Thirdly, I do think it was easier for them to forgive the molestations, not because they think it is a lesser evil, but because the were younger when it happened, it was over 10 years ago, and no matter what we think, the girls seemed to feel protected by their parents, after the fact with the "changes put in place". 

 

Also, this family believes some crazy shit, and I think they'd be slower to bring a Duggar-gone-rogue back into the fold than a repeatedly sinning one.

 

I just don't see TLC filming Josh and they have no reason too. Josh is toxic. The only way I see him back on TV would be on a Dr Phil-like show. They bring on creepy people on all the time under the guise of helping them, all the while exploiting them for monetary gain. A show like that would not be marred by letting Josh try & redeem himself.

I totally agree. You said it better than I could.

I do think there will be a book though. Co-authored with Josh and Anna. And a book Redemption tour to all the churches etc

But I don't think TLC will touch him...Josh has done too much touching already.

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ZootSuitWyatt

ZootSuitWyatt

Maybe we need to sic those Finding Bigfoot people on the case of the Mysteriously Missing Josh. How is it possible he's been able to fly under the radar this long? Do they have him chained in the basement like that guy from the Goonies?

It's crazy how we don't even have an ambiguously blurry photo of Smugs coming and going from rehab or the TTH.

 

Contrary to what the show's title would suggest, the Finding Bigfoot crew has yet to find anything.

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Quilt Fairy

Quilt Fairy

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Contrary to what the show's title would suggest, the Finding Bigfoot crew has yet to find anything.

 

Yes, over on that thread we frequently refer to the show as Finding Nothing. Of course, they'd be the first to admit that Bigfoots are really sly.

 

Except for advertising dollars, apparently.

Well, you've got me there.

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Wellfleet

Wellfleet

I predict Josh will get pocket money from JimBob, and JimBob will pull rank on Josh, and give Anna control of the Smuggar stipend. They will never have anything close to the disposable income they had in DC.

 

This has been what I've been thinking will happen as well. Once Josh is sprung from whatever the hell he's doing now, he'll be joining Ben on the toilet-cleaning, grass-cutting crew, 100%-dependent on his old man for every last dime. Pathetic.

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becca3891

becca3891

A word about the fundie viewpoint, if I may. Anna Duggar is just as brainwashed as anyone else that lives in that household. And she's getting it from both sides -- her parents have a vested interest in her and Joshley Madison remaining married, too. After all, they chose him with all of their godly wisdom, didn't they? And there would be significant pressure from both sides of the family (i.e.: They'd shun her and the kids at the least.) If Anna had a friend that wasn't in the church, was in a workplace 40 hours a week that had people from all backgrounds, races, religions (or lack of them) and sexual orientation, she might be able to see that those who don't follow Gothard's BS also don't have horns and a tail. When I read that she had moved into the TTH, I knew it was game over. Jim Boob and J-Chelle won't let anyone near her who would contradict their "teaching".

 

The people in this cult (and yeah, I'm going there) are brainwashed. There is no other term to describe them. They believe that Jesus will fix it all and if they want to be "faithful to the Lord", they must abide by his "promises". In other words, she and every other woman in that cult has been conditioned to submit, to never fight back or question or disagree with their husband's decisions. He's the headship. What he says, goes. If you'd like another modern-day example, please go to Google and search on Mars Hill Church in Seattle for information on their beliefs and the legally binding contract they compelled their membership to sign. It's almost impossible to believe that adults will buy this type of BS, but buy it they do. And it takes YEARS (and a good therapist) to overcome the programming.

 

Jim Boob will do anything to prevent a divorce in that family. He didn't offer her a house if she stays with Joshley Madison. He sold their house out from under a daughter-in-law with a GED, four kids under six and no other financial support. He will do the same type of things to every other child in that family who has attempted to strike out on their own. It's very kind of her brother to offer to take Anna and the kids in, but that would bring a QUICK custody lawsuit and most likely Anna would be barred from taking the kids outside of Arkansas. One also has to wonder how the brother can afford to take on a family of five as well.

 

We all know that Joshley Madison will be resuming his activities the moment he can get a burner smart phone and a secret credit card. One has to wonder what the tipping point might be for Anna, or if there's one at all. Again, it will take years for her (and most likely an event more horrific than learning that not only has one's husband cheated on her, he continues to do so) to wake up.

I think the tipping point is pretty extreme in Anna's case. I think with her lifetime of brainwashing, she'd put up with almost anything without even considering divorce. I agree with almost everything you said, except that I think Josh might really be unable to resume his activities. He is literally going to be under surveillance, headed up by Boob and probably involving multiple sibling spies and other tracking devices. He might be able to get a secret laptop or tablet and surf some porn like he used to, maybe chat up a few porn stars again using a new fake name, but he'll never have the opportunity to actually have actual affairs again, I don't think. 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors.

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greenturtle36

greenturtle36

"Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors."

 

Oh he truly has a problem, and let me tell you, being under someone else's complete control doesn't stop anything if you're smart.  There's always ways around external controls.  Now, it's pretty questionable whether or not he's smart... My "Josh" was book smart so he always found ways around everything, yet not quite smart enough to not get caught.  He finally had to find another woman who was completely unaware of his problem, and groom her by telling her how obsessive and controlling I was and never trusted him "and that's why I had to cheat on her."  

 

He actually messaged me just the other day and told me he was having health issues with his heart valve.  And I'm like, what does he want me to do?  Go back and take care of him?  What happened to the love of his life, who was so much better than me and that's why he "had to" cheat?  What happened to his parents and sister, who were in complete agreement that throwing me away like a used paper plate was the proper thing to do?  What about the few friends he actually had, who gave him pity and said I deserved to be cheated on?  Where is their pity now?  I'm sorry, but you had your chance.  You blew it.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

"Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors."

 

Oh he truly has a problem, and let me tell you, being under someone else's complete control doesn't stop anything if you're smart.  There's always ways around external controls.  Now, it's pretty questionable whether or not he's smart... My "Josh" was book smart so he always found ways around everything, yet not quite smart enough to not get caught.  He finally had to find another woman who was completely unaware of his problem, and groom her by telling her how obsessive and controlling I was and never trusted him "and that's why I had to cheat on her."  

 

He actually messaged me just the other day and told me he was having health issues with his heart valve.  And I'm like, what does he want me to do?  Go back and take care of him?  What happened to the love of his life, who was so much better than me and that's why he "had to" cheat?  What happened to his parents and sister, who were in complete agreement that throwing me away like a used paper plate was the proper thing to do?  What about the few friends he actually had, who gave him pity and said I deserved to be cheated on?  Where is their pity now?  I'm sorry, but you had your chance.  You blew it.

Yikes, so sorry you've had to deal with, and continue to deal with, that. Some guys are total jerks.

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queenanne

queenanne

He actually messaged me just the other day and told me he was having health issues with his heart valve.  And I'm like, what does he want me to do?  Go back and take care of him?  What happened to the love of his life, who was so much better than me and that's why he "had to" cheat?  What happened to his parents and sister, who were in complete agreement that throwing me away like a used paper plate was the proper thing to do?  What about the few friends he actually had, who gave him pity and said I deserved to be cheated on?  Where is their pity now?  I'm sorry, but you had your chance.  You blew it.

 

I hope you said this.

 

I mean, I can understand why you wouldn't if there's any chance you can't avoid seeing these people in person, but I totally think you should say it.

lookeyloo

lookeyloo

"Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors."

 

Oh he truly has a problem, and let me tell you, being under someone else's complete control doesn't stop anything if you're smart.  There's always ways around external controls.  Now, it's pretty questionable whether or not he's smart... My "Josh" was book smart so he always found ways around everything, yet not quite smart enough to not get caught.  He finally had to find another woman who was completely unaware of his problem, and groom her by telling her how obsessive and controlling I was and never trusted him "and that's why I had to cheat on her."  

 

He actually messaged me just the other day and told me he was having health issues with his heart valve.  And I'm like, what does he want me to do?  Go back and take care of him?  What happened to the love of his life, who was so much better than me and that's why he "had to" cheat?  What happened to his parents and sister, who were in complete agreement that throwing me away like a used paper plate was the proper thing to do?  What about the few friends he actually had, who gave him pity and said I deserved to be cheated on?  Where is their pity now?  I'm sorry, but you had your chance.  You blew it.

Can you block his texts and calls so you don't have to deal with any of his issues?

Mollie

Mollie

Sew Sumi says soon, in 10 days or so it will be 6 months. I'm wondering if he's already out. Very quiet on all fronts of the Duggar camp.

The RU stay is six to eight months, depending on how well the person progresses.  Josh went there on August 24.  Of course, his stay there is voluntary, so he could leave at any time.  But, without Jim Bob's approval, nobody will give him transportation home or a place to stay when he gets back to Arkansas.  (Anna and his four kids are living in the kids' dorm rooms in Jim Bob's house.)  So, he won't be coming back until Jim Bob allows him to.

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JenCarroll

JenCarroll

Wow,I hadn't realized how much time slipped by while I wasn't watching the forum. So, belatedly, I'll just say: There's something very, very weird about the whole lawsuit/dismissal situation. Granted this wasn't really my area of practice, but still... it's just off. It doesn't follow any pattern I've ever seen. There is something we aren't being told. We may never find out the answer, but there's certainly a question there.

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SometimesBites

SometimesBites

Anna has returned to social media. Sadly, it was with her in laws, wearing the ugliest dress ever. Edited because I forgot the link and can't paste it in on my phone. I'll try a second post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BB1C_U5mra2/

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Oh, Anna. When your mother-in-law (as in, YOUR mother-in-law) actually looks stylish next to you, you are in big fashion trouble, honey. That dress hurts my brain--and green is my favorite color.

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Tunia

Tunia

That dress certainly is fugly, but I think it was chosen because it has a secondary purpose in that it's loose enough to be a potential maternity dress for Blessing #5.  After all, she made her Christmas visit to Jesus Jail and could very well have received another living, breathing "gift" from Joshie.  If they're no longer "buying used and saving the difference", the next best thing is to make selections that can do double duty.  We'll have to be on bump watch in a month or so.  <sigh>

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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Anna has returned to social media. Sadly, it was with her in laws, wearing the ugliest dress ever. Edited because I forgot the link and can't paste it in on my phone. I'll try a second post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BB1C_U5mra2/

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It's an ill fitting, oversize Michael Kors.

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whydoiwatch

whydoiwatch

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That dress certainly is fugly, but I think it was chosen because it has a secondary purpose in that it's loose enough to be a potential maternity dress for Blessing #5.  After all, she made her Christmas visit to Jesus Jail and could very well have received another living, breathing "gift" from Joshie.  If they're no longer "buying used and saving the difference", the next best thing is to make selections that can do double duty.  We'll have to be on bump watch in a month or so.  <sigh>

 

My thoughts exactly !  Also, Anna is morphing into Michelle right before our eyes. She stands almost bending forward just like her dear MIL with her hands at her side the exact same way. Another way for Anna to become more like her role model is having baby after baby and a pregnancy announcement would not surprise me at all (sicken me but not surprise me).

ETA: just saw the additional pictures - Michael Kors dress, eh? Interesting.... In my opinion,  the bare legs and ankle boots look awful with that dress. I see their friend, the party planner - whatever the hell her name is - is front and center. Who watches her brood ?

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

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Sierra is a star! She will hang on as long as she can because she wants her own fundie wedding planning show.

 

Hmm the dress I don't know how I feel about it because Anna is not wearing the belt like the model is. Where does one get money for a MK dress when one doesn't work? I doubt MK gifted it to her as an "ad." 

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kokapetl

kokapetl

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It's not available anymore, so she probably bought it at an outlet store or at a clearance sale. It was $225 RRP, but Michael Kors recently settled a class action against him, his recommended retail prices for outlet stuff were inflated to make the actual prices charged look like a good deal.

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