Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[JoanArc]

 

Maybe Josh HAS changed. It is not impossible. I am very interested to see what happens next.

A new coat of paint on a turd is still a turd. Josh comes first in all things. Always has, always will.

[Obsidian]

 

Yep, have seen this play out, too, way too many times. AND if you are a fundie, you earn those bonus morality points for staying sweet and true to your 'til death do us part' vows.

Anna receives 1000 wife points right here.

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/search/label/letter%20to%20anna%20duggar

[Aja]

Anna receives 1000 wife points right here.

http://www.duggarfamilyblog.com/search/label/letter%20to%20anna%20duggar

Aaaaand, there you have it. The more your husband humiliates you, abuses your trust and spends your family's money on internet poon, the more Jesus woves you. Utter horseshit.

 

 

 

...none of us can imagine the pain and suffering [Christ] endured especially since all the sins of the whole world that have ever or will be committed {adulterers, addictions to pornography, homosexuality, liars, fornicators, gossips, etc.} were laid upon Him in our place for all who call upon His name. He himself bore our sins in His body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness.

Although I must hand it to blogger Lori Alexander--I had no idea that the Duggars and I could ever be put in the same category together, but look...there we are, right next to each other! <3 <3 <3

[BitterApple]

Ugh, I really shouldn't have read that after eating lunch. I feel nauseous.

Yes, Jesus totally wants you to stay with a child molester/cheater, Anna.

Oh, and if Joshie Poo is into rough, kinky sex I kinda doubt a gentle "meek" spirit will set him on the straight and narrow. But hey, keep telling yourself that as you pray for Band-Aid baby #5.

[Absolom]

Lori is in a world to herself.  She's quite the loon.

[poopchute]

Weirdly enough (since my foot would still be embedded in Josh's ass), I think I understand her giving him another chance. She took vows that are very serious to her, and she intends to fulfill them if possible. She had hinted that she considered other actions so I think she may have her limits. But I do get her giving Josh the opportunity to demonstrate remorse. I myself would kick him to the curb but I grew up much differently.

Maybe Josh HAS changed. It is not impossible. I am very interested to see what happens next.

It's weird to me that the cows are very serious to her but she doesn't care that the vows didn't mean anything to Josh. What's the point of the vows if one person doesn't care about them?

[Tabbygirl521]

It's weird to me that the cows are very serious to her but she doesn't care that the vows didn't mean anything to Josh. What's the point of the vows if one person doesn't care about them?

Oh, I agree. I am just trying to see things from her perspective, because i would be handling Things ever so slightly completely differently...

The Lori Alexander thing is weird. The woman isn't responsible for her husband being godly, BUT don't leave! Too bad they don't teach actions and consequences, as in, "Behave badly and I am out of here." It might be more of a motivation than looking at a long-suffering cry-face for years on end

(Thank you, Mom, for modeling non-doormat behavior in all things...)

Edited February 9, 2016 by Tabbygirl521

[lookeyloo]

OMG.  The comments are even more disturbing.

[MarysWetBar]

Hi folks. As the situation has progressed, the mods wanted to clarify the pinned post above. Please don't imply that he has or will molest his children. It opens a can of worms we can't handle. It's one thing to say, "I can't believe Anna married knowing he molested his sisters." That's ok. Be careful with stuff like this: "Anna should never leave him alone with his kids since he can'y help himself and he's so sly."

 

It's really judgement call territory for us, so feel free to PM us with any questions.

oops sorry.

I know that's me. :)

[Missy Vixen]

A word about the fundie viewpoint, if I may. Anna Duggar is just as brainwashed as anyone else that lives in that household. And she's getting it from both sides -- her parents have a vested interest in her and Joshley Madison remaining married, too. After all, they chose him with all of their godly wisdom, didn't they? And there would be significant pressure from both sides of the family (i.e.: They'd shun her and the kids at the least.) If Anna had a friend that wasn't in the church, was in a workplace 40 hours a week that had people from all backgrounds, races, religions (or lack of them) and sexual orientation, she might be able to see that those who don't follow Gothard's BS also don't have horns and a tail. When I read that she had moved into the TTH, I knew it was game over. Jim Boob and J-Chelle won't let anyone near her who would contradict their "teaching".

 

The people in this cult (and yeah, I'm going there) are brainwashed. There is no other term to describe them. They believe that Jesus will fix it all and if they want to be "faithful to the Lord", they must abide by his "promises". In other words, she and every other woman in that cult has been conditioned to submit, to never fight back or question or disagree with their husband's decisions. He's the headship. What he says, goes. If you'd like another modern-day example, please go to Google and search on Mars Hill Church in Seattle for information on their beliefs and the legally binding contract they compelled their membership to sign. It's almost impossible to believe that adults will buy this type of BS, but buy it they do. And it takes YEARS (and a good therapist) to overcome the programming.

 

Jim Boob will do anything to prevent a divorce in that family. He didn't offer her a house if she stays with Joshley Madison. He sold their house out from under a daughter-in-law with a GED, four kids under six and no other financial support. He will do the same type of things to every other child in that family who has attempted to strike out on their own. It's very kind of her brother to offer to take Anna and the kids in, but that would bring a QUICK custody lawsuit and most likely Anna would be barred from taking the kids outside of Arkansas. One also has to wonder how the brother can afford to take on a family of five as well.

 

We all know that Joshley Madison will be resuming his activities the moment he can get a burner smart phone and a secret credit card. One has to wonder what the tipping point might be for Anna, or if there's one at all. Again, it will take years for her (and most likely an event more horrific than learning that not only has one's husband cheated on her, he continues to do so) to wake up.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Missy Vixen

[Joe Jitsu913]

A word about the fundie viewpoint, if I may. Anna Duggar is just as brainwashed as anyone else that lives in that household. And she's getting it from both sides -- her parents have a vested interest in her and Joshley Madison remaining married, too. After all, they chose him with all of their godly wisdom, didn't they? And there would be significant pressure from both sides of the family (i.e.: They'd shun her and the kids at the least.) If Anna had a friend that wasn't in the church, was in a workplace 40 hours a week that had people from all backgrounds, races, religions (or lack of them) and sexual orientation, she might be able to see that those who don't follow Gothard's BS also don't have horns and a tail. When I read that she had moved into the TTH, I knew it was game over. Jim Boob and J-Chelle won't let anyone near her who would contradict their "teaching".

The people in this cult (and yeah, I'm going there) are brainwashed. There is no other term to describe them. They believe that Jesus will fix it all and if they want to be "faithful to the Lord", they must abide by his "promises". In other words, she and every other woman in that cult has been conditioned to submit, to never fight back or question or disagree with their husband's decisions. He's the headship. What he says, goes. If you'd like another modern-day example, please go to Google and search on Mars Hill Church in Seattle for information on their beliefs and the legally binding contract they compelled their membership to sign. It's almost impossible to believe that adults will buy this type of BS, but buy it they do. And it takes YEARS (and a good therapist) to overcome the programming.

Jim Boob will do anything to prevent a divorce in that family. He didn't offer her a house if she stays with Joshley Madison. He sold their house out from under a daughter-in-law with a GED, four kids under six and no other financial support. He will do the same type of things to every other child in that family who has attempted to strike out on their own. It's very kind of her brother to offer to take Anna and the kids in, but that would bring a QUICK custody lawsuit and most likely Anna would be barred from taking the kids outside of Arkansas. One also has to wonder how the brother can afford to take on a family of five as well.

We all know that Joshley Madison will be resuming his activities the moment he can get a burner smart phone and a secret credit card. One has to wonder what the tipping point might be for Anna, or if there's one at all. Again, it will take years for her (and most likely an event more horrific than learning that not only has one's husband cheated on her, he continues to do so) to wake up.

I wonder how far Josh will push Anna to her breaking point? What will it take? Knocking up one of his paid escorts? Children are a blessing from the Lord, right? Would she stay with him if he had a child out of wedlock with a sex worker? What if he gave her an incurable disease? I think every woman has her breaking point, but fundies are a different breed.

[kokapetl]

I predict Josh will get pocket money from JimBob, and JimBob will pull rank on Josh, and give Anna control of the Smuggar stipend. They will never have anything close to the disposable income they had in DC.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Kokapetl

[BitterApple]

I predict Josh will get pocket money from JimBob, and JimBob will pull rank on Josh, and give Anna control of the Smuggar stipend. They will never have anything close to the disposable income they had in DC.

I remember the epi in DC where Anna's "friend" came over to help her prepare a healthy dinner. She brought salmon from Whole Foods. I think it's safe to say, them days are gone. It's back to Aldi canned fruit cocktail and TTC for Anna.

[GeeGolly]

February 15th Meredith will be 7 months old. It seems Josh has been in rehab for 3 years. Does anyone know when he actually went in? There haven't been any pictures of Anna and the M & Ms. Maybe they're squirreled away somewhere already.

[kokapetl]

February 15th Meredith will be 7 months old. It seems Josh has been in rehab for 3 years. Does anyone know when he actually went in? There haven't been any pictures of Anna and the M & Ms. Maybe they're squirreled away somewhere already.

We saw the M&Ms in the Counting On specials.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Those DC epis were such incredible scripted bs - Anna supposedly having to drive into DC ostensibly because her headship forgot his lunch, Joshley's trainer just happening to stop by DC to check on Joshley's fitness progress, Anna constructing some kind of play thing for the kids, making the incredibly inappropriate WEDDING gift of a BABY MOBILE, with the scripted words o' wisdom from Anna to her kids, 'Jill/Derrick can have a baby AFTER they are married."

TLC was definitely scraping the barrel trying to enhance the interesting factor in the actual (stultifying boring) Duggar life.

OMG....the baby mobile for a wedding gift....that told me Anna had already had way too much Kool Aid...practice makes progress aaaaaaaaaaand .....progress makes babies...she had such a crazed look in her eyes that it was beyond disturbing. Edited February 10, 2016 by Arwen Evenstar

[Tabbygirl521]

OMG....the baby mobile for a wedding gift....that told me Anna had already had way too much Kool Aid...practice makes progress aaaaaaaaaaand .....progress makes babies...she had such a crazed look in her eyes that it was beyond disturbing.

Yeesh. Until the "Counting On" specials, I had never seen a whole ep, so totally missed this. Even if you know the coupe is full-on Quiverfull, what if it turns out God hates them and refuses to bless them...er, I mean what if they have fertility issues, or an unfortunate pregnancy outcome?? Wow.

[Barb23]

I thought doing something with the Nepal theme was a "neat" idea. I'm talking something professionally done (or looking like it was) though. Like a shadow box of items related to their Nepal trip (minus JB's presence, of course.) But in true Duggar fashion, the Derricks get a homemade felt BABY mobile for a wedding gift. Wonder where that mobile is now?

[BitterApple]

Wonder where that mobile is now?

The Tontitown landfill?

[kokapetl]

Those DC epis were such incredible scripted bs - Anna supposedly having to drive into DC ostensibly because her headship forgot his lunch, Joshley's trainer just happening to stop by DC to check on Joshley's fitness progress, Anna constructing some kind of play thing for the kids, making the incredibly inappropriate WEDDING gift of a BABY MOBILE, with the scripted words o' wisdom from Anna to her kids, 'Jill/Derrick can have a baby AFTER they are married."

TLC was definitely scraping the barrel trying to enhance the interesting factor in the actual (stultifying boring) Duggar life.

The Smuggars in DC consisted of a bread winning husband "working" 9-5, a stay at housewife/mother, and three kids not really old enough to be in school. It was so totally unremarkable and average. TLC sent camera crews to film shit like "Anna goes to the supermarket".

[GeeGolly]

There was a Mars Hill 'Academy' in my former neighborhood. One of my neighbor's proudly displayed a "VOTE THE BIBLE" bumper sticker on his truck. Such ignorance made me stabby each time I walked my dog and saw that bumper sticker. How can humans be so dumb??

And, speaking of humans being so dumb, as impossible for most of us to imagine, the thought of leaving even a substance abusing, violence prone, porn addicted, unfaithful spouse is probably considered a scarier and worse choice than putting on some big girl panties and finding the way to one's own independence and accomplishment, that seems the case for far too many fundies. SO MANY BONUS JESUS POINTS for being a martyr/long suffering victim for Jesus.

Again: how can humans be THIS dumb?

I totally get where you're coming from. But I am compelled to say that there are many intelligent women from all socioeconomic backgrounds that stay too long in abusive relationships for various reasons. So just a shout out to those that have, or are, struggling with with these types of relationships. (Sorry, I'm a clinician to my core)

[lookeyloo]

I totally get where you're coming from. But I am compelled to say that there are many intelligent women from all socioeconomic backgrounds that stay too long in abusive relationships for various reasons. So just a shout out to those that have, or are, struggling with with these types of relationships. (Sorry, I'm a clinician to my core)

Sometimes it's not that simple, is it, GeeGolly.

[Sew Sumi]

Well, in Anna's case, we've already defined two markers that would lead her to stay: economics and religion. In her case, these are game changers; should she leave, everything about her life would change. For Anna and so many other women, it's the devil you know...

[crazycatlady58]

And sometimes you just cannot " see" any other way to do something. It does not matter who says you should do something if it is not in your frame of reference you cannot do that. It is easy to say to someone " do this", the doing is not always within your ability. It does not metter who else has done it, that does not mean you can.

[Absolom]

I think in Anna's case things have been "explained away" to her.  She was manipulated by people with religious beliefs and vows. Her first instinct was kick the bastard out.  It was like an issue in my life where in my 30s my mom said you can't do that.  I was sturdy enough and independent enough to say I'm telling you what is happening not asking permission.  Anna isn't there yet.  She's willing to believe that there is hope for Josh and that with repentance that he can change and that was pushed on her by both sets of parents.  I don't think Josh has that in him and his issues are too deep and pervasive for the kind of help he's going to get within that culture to do him any good.  I believe he will slip again and again and by the second or third slip Anna will have had enough and figure her way out of this mess. 

[riverblue22]

If Josh messes up in the future, Anna won't be leaving.  She will stay with the Duggar family while her children are assigned spots in the dorms.  JB will count them among his brood.  And Josh will be the one kicked to the curb.

[GeeGolly]

Excellent point. My derision is not aimed at the victims of domestic violence, but, rather, at the religious wing nuts who encourage them to stay for Jesus.

Which I totally got. I just couldn't help myself.

[GeeGolly]

We saw the M&Ms in the Counting On specials.

Those were filmed a couple of months ago though, Spurgie was born in the beginning of November, and I would guess that most filming was prior to that, and maybe a little of it after. I think it's been a while since we have seen any of them in a picture. And they haven't even tried to fool us with a picture they try and pass as current when it isn't. They're doing a good job at saying nothing. Something they should have tried long ago, but I'm very curious. My bet is that Josh is home and he & Anna are hiding out in the pool house. The tree house project was probably a red herring, and it seems to have worked.

[BitterApple]

Maybe we need to sic those Finding Bigfoot people on the case of the Mysteriously Missing Josh. How is it possible he's been able to fly under the radar this long? Do they have him chained in the basement like that guy from the Goonies?

It's crazy how we don't even have an ambiguously blurry photo of Smugs coming and going from rehab or the TTH.

Edited February 11, 2016 by BitterApple

[Barb23]

Can anyone find out when the last time JD flew Duggar Air to & from Jesus Prison possibly picking up Joshley?

[louannems]

Anna will be the Stay At Home Daughter In Law! She and Jana will raise the broods and grand broods and hold the fort down while JB/Michelle decline with heartbreak as child after child fails to launch.

[Sew Sumi]

Can anyone find out when the last time JD flew Duggar Air to & from Jesus Prison possibly picking up Joshley?

They made the plane records private. The last known flight to RU was the Christmas Eve visit. Anna has pretty much admitted she was on that flight when she made that statement not long ago that she had visited the Smug One. She also likely visited him when the plane made that stop in Rockford en route to the infamous stormy flight back to AR. That was about 45 days before the Christmas visit, so RU's rules appear to have been followed. eta: There was a quickie visit in January, but we suspected that was with regard to the legal proceedings, although it appears that Josh signed documents electronically. It was after this particular visit that the Duggars finally got wind of what the press was doing and went dark.

 

He went to Rockford around 8/24-8/26 (I bet Koka knows the exact day). So, we may be seeing the beginning of the Redemption Tour in something like two weeks as Joshley makes his triumphant return into his obiedient wife's open arms. *gag*

Edited February 11, 2016 by Sew Sumi

[Marigold]

Too soon for the Redemption Tour...gotta give it a bit longer so it looks legitimate. A year or so...First there will be a book. Co-authored by Josh and Anna Duggar detailing the fire they walked through and how Josh overcame a porn addiction and infideltiy etc.

They will test out the waters with that. When it sells on Amazon, then the tour will begin! Gas up the Stink Bus, Joshie!

Josh should call Jill & Dill about faking careers and all.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Marigold

[Sew Sumi]

I dunno. I don't think that Duggar Studios will be able to resist Prodigal Son Returns Home. TLC might balk, but I just have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see some completely manufactured homecoming online in the next couple of weeks. 

[Marigold]

I dunno. I don't think that Duggar Studios will be able to resist Prodigal Son Returns Home. TLC might balk, but I just have a sneaking suspicion that we'll see some completely manufactured homecoming online in the next couple of weeks.

It IS tempting but Josh was pretty trashed by his siblings on the Jessa&Jill show. TLC did their research and figured that the average person is unhappy with Josh and is fine with angry siblings.

Jim Bob might go out on his own with Duggar Studios but he also might realize that we all hate Josh. heck, Jim Bob hates Josh.

[Sew Sumi]

They forgave the molestations, but they can't forgive adultery? I imagine that since those THs were taped back in September, there's been a lot of Coming to Jesus going on in the Duggar household to get them all on the Forgiveness Train. Otherwise, any attempt at a Redemption Tour would fail miserably. 

 

At worst, they now have to openly lie if they want any chance of salvaging their show. 

[GeeGolly]

I don't think TLC will take Josh back. They received so much flack about bringing Jessa and Jill back, and no matter how you paint the picture Josh did molest 5 young girls. And I'm not sure how quickly the Duggar 19 will forgive him this time around. First I think they see his transgressions as accumulative, as in he sinned big and a few years later he sinned big again. Second, they were going to bat for him when the molestations came out, during which time he was sinning big again. Thirdly, I do think it was easier for them to forgive the molestations, not because they think it is a lesser evil, but because the were younger when it happened, it was over 10 years ago, and no matter what we think, the girls seemed to feel protected by their parents, after the fact with the "changes put in place". 

 

Also, this family believes some crazy shit, and I think they'd be slower to bring a Duggar-gone-rogue back into the fold than a repeatedly sinning one.

 

I just don't see TLC filming Josh and they have no reason too. Josh is toxic. The only way I see him back on TV would be on a Dr Phil-like show. They bring on creepy people on all the time under the guise of helping them, all the while exploiting them for monetary gain. A show like that would not be marred by letting Josh try & redeem himself. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by GeeGolly

[CofCinci]

What job could Anna get with no education and no training that would give her a wage that would allow her enough money even for a small apartment and a car payment. There would have to be a big child support payment and what are the chances of that.

Reality TV star -- her job since entering adulthood!

[Fuzzysox]

When Josh gets back will he be housed on the stink bus? I

[kokapetl]

There's a shed with a toilet at the pool house. He can wash himself in the sink.

[Marigold]

I don't think TLC will take Josh back. They received so much flack about bringing Jessa and Jill back, and no matter how you paint the picture Josh did molest 5 young girls. And I'm not sure how quickly the Duggar 19 will forgive him this time around. First I think they see his transgressions as accumulative, as in he sinned big and a few years later he sinned big again. Second, they were going to bat for him when the molestations came out, during which time he was sinning big again. Thirdly, I do think it was easier for them to forgive the molestations, not because they think it is a lesser evil, but because the were younger when it happened, it was over 10 years ago, and no matter what we think, the girls seemed to feel protected by their parents, after the fact with the "changes put in place". 

 

Also, this family believes some crazy shit, and I think they'd be slower to bring a Duggar-gone-rogue back into the fold than a repeatedly sinning one.

 

I just don't see TLC filming Josh and they have no reason too. Josh is toxic. The only way I see him back on TV would be on a Dr Phil-like show. They bring on creepy people on all the time under the guise of helping them, all the while exploiting them for monetary gain. A show like that would not be marred by letting Josh try & redeem himself.

I totally agree. You said it better than I could.

I do think there will be a book though. Co-authored with Josh and Anna. And a book Redemption tour to all the churches etc

But I don't think TLC will touch him...Josh has done too much touching already.

[ZootSuitWyatt]

Maybe we need to sic those Finding Bigfoot people on the case of the Mysteriously Missing Josh. How is it possible he's been able to fly under the radar this long? Do they have him chained in the basement like that guy from the Goonies?

It's crazy how we don't even have an ambiguously blurry photo of Smugs coming and going from rehab or the TTH.

 

Contrary to what the show's title would suggest, the Finding Bigfoot crew has yet to find anything.

[Churchhoney]

Contrary to what the show's title would suggest, the Finding Bigfoot crew has yet to find anything.

 

Except for advertising dollars, apparently.

[Quilt Fairy]

Contrary to what the show's title would suggest, the Finding Bigfoot crew has yet to find anything.

 

Yes, over on that thread we frequently refer to the show as Finding Nothing. Of course, they'd be the first to admit that Bigfoots are really sly.

 

Except for advertising dollars, apparently.

Well, you've got me there.

Edited February 11, 2016 by Quilt Fairy

[kokapetl]

The Bigfoot hunter people are on par with the ghost hunter people. Neither exist, and there's absolutely no evidence, but, "did you hear that?! Tha was Bigfoot/ghost!"

[Churchhoney]

Yes, over on that thread we frequently refer to the show as Finding Nothing. Of course, they'd be the first to admit that Bigfoots are really sly.

 

 

 

So you're saying they should look around bunk beds, then?

[Wellfleet]

I predict Josh will get pocket money from JimBob, and JimBob will pull rank on Josh, and give Anna control of the Smuggar stipend. They will never have anything close to the disposable income they had in DC.

 

This has been what I've been thinking will happen as well. Once Josh is sprung from whatever the hell he's doing now, he'll be joining Ben on the toilet-cleaning, grass-cutting crew, 100%-dependent on his old man for every last dime. Pathetic.

[becca3891]

A word about the fundie viewpoint, if I may. Anna Duggar is just as brainwashed as anyone else that lives in that household. And she's getting it from both sides -- her parents have a vested interest in her and Joshley Madison remaining married, too. After all, they chose him with all of their godly wisdom, didn't they? And there would be significant pressure from both sides of the family (i.e.: They'd shun her and the kids at the least.) If Anna had a friend that wasn't in the church, was in a workplace 40 hours a week that had people from all backgrounds, races, religions (or lack of them) and sexual orientation, she might be able to see that those who don't follow Gothard's BS also don't have horns and a tail. When I read that she had moved into the TTH, I knew it was game over. Jim Boob and J-Chelle won't let anyone near her who would contradict their "teaching".

 

The people in this cult (and yeah, I'm going there) are brainwashed. There is no other term to describe them. They believe that Jesus will fix it all and if they want to be "faithful to the Lord", they must abide by his "promises". In other words, she and every other woman in that cult has been conditioned to submit, to never fight back or question or disagree with their husband's decisions. He's the headship. What he says, goes. If you'd like another modern-day example, please go to Google and search on Mars Hill Church in Seattle for information on their beliefs and the legally binding contract they compelled their membership to sign. It's almost impossible to believe that adults will buy this type of BS, but buy it they do. And it takes YEARS (and a good therapist) to overcome the programming.

 

Jim Boob will do anything to prevent a divorce in that family. He didn't offer her a house if she stays with Joshley Madison. He sold their house out from under a daughter-in-law with a GED, four kids under six and no other financial support. He will do the same type of things to every other child in that family who has attempted to strike out on their own. It's very kind of her brother to offer to take Anna and the kids in, but that would bring a QUICK custody lawsuit and most likely Anna would be barred from taking the kids outside of Arkansas. One also has to wonder how the brother can afford to take on a family of five as well.

 

We all know that Joshley Madison will be resuming his activities the moment he can get a burner smart phone and a secret credit card. One has to wonder what the tipping point might be for Anna, or if there's one at all. Again, it will take years for her (and most likely an event more horrific than learning that not only has one's husband cheated on her, he continues to do so) to wake up.

I think the tipping point is pretty extreme in Anna's case. I think with her lifetime of brainwashing, she'd put up with almost anything without even considering divorce. I agree with almost everything you said, except that I think Josh might really be unable to resume his activities. He is literally going to be under surveillance, headed up by Boob and probably involving multiple sibling spies and other tracking devices. He might be able to get a secret laptop or tablet and surf some porn like he used to, maybe chat up a few porn stars again using a new fake name, but he'll never have the opportunity to actually have actual affairs again, I don't think. 

[GeeGolly]

Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors.

[greenturtle36]

"Josh's future behaviors depend a lot on the reasons he did what he did. If he is just a cocky asshole whose frontal lobe just finished developing he'll probably knock it off. If he truly has a problem then he has a difficult road ahead of him. I think he shares a lot in common with many folks, and thinks he is all that and nothing at all, at the same time. Being so unsure of who you are, makes for some stupid behaviors."

 

Oh he truly has a problem, and let me tell you, being under someone else's complete control doesn't stop anything if you're smart.  There's always ways around external controls.  Now, it's pretty questionable whether or not he's smart... My "Josh" was book smart so he always found ways around everything, yet not quite smart enough to not get caught.  He finally had to find another woman who was completely unaware of his problem, and groom her by telling her how obsessive and controlling I was and never trusted him "and that's why I had to cheat on her."  

 

He actually messaged me just the other day and told me he was having health issues with his heart valve.  And I'm like, what does he want me to do?  Go back and take care of him?  What happened to the love of his life, who was so much better than me and that's why he "had to" cheat?  What happened to his parents and sister, who were in complete agreement that throwing me away like a used paper plate was the proper thing to do?  What about the few friends he actually had, who gave him pity and said I deserved to be cheated on?  Where is their pity now?  I'm sorry, but you had your chance.  You blew it.