Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Isthisok]

Yeah he could totally be Craster's younger brother.

I think he looks more like old Lord Frey myself.

[3 is enough]

 

Anyway, I wonder if Josh has made it back to the compound, and if so, if Clown Car put an unholy beat-down on him the minute he walked through the door.

We have heard nothing from the Duggars since the statements were released a week ago.  While this is to be expected, and I am especially glad that the girls have not been trotted out in public, forced to say "We have forgiven,we are healed, Jesus will take care of us, yada, yada, yada," I do admit that every morning when I wake up I am half expecting to find out that something even more awful has happened as a result of these revelations.

 

For the life of me I just cannot imagine how they thought this would never come out.  Sealed court documents and police reports aside, Josh was made to confess before the congregation of their church.  Surely they realized that someone would eventually come forward with that information.  Are JB and Michelle that naive? The man was a state rep, he knows how vulnerable politicians are to skeletons in their closets.  And yet they went ahead with the tv show, endorsing politicians, lending their names to hot button political issues... SMH.

 

I wonder if Josh is actually relieved on some level. The stress of wondering when this would surface must have been incredible- not that he doesn't deserve everything that has come his way. 

[Muffyn]

Santorum was astute enough to state when asked about the Josh Duggar allegations that he was sickened by it and prays for the girls in particular.  “To have gone through that is … just hard to think about.”

 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/rick-santorum-sickened-josh-duggar-molestation-allegations/story?id=31352646

I am in agreement with Santorum.  It's a sign of the apocalypse.  I feel violated all over again.  

[Potato511]

Dr. Drew Clip

 

I keep talking about the sketchy use of statute of limitation going on with this situation, Lisa Bloom talks about the legal aspects in her opinion at about 3:38, it appears that I'm not the only one that finds it sketchy.

This is awful, but having learned from this clip that there is a statute of limitations that *begins* when a child turns 18 and extends for 3 years, until they turn 21, it may be that getting Joy to "request" that the record be expunged is part of the parents and Josh *protecting themselves AGAINST Joy-Anna* taking effective legal action against them. (shudder)

[jschoolgirl]

More from the Washington Post, with insight into revenue from the show:

 

As for Discovery Communications specifically, former TLC executive Brant Pinvidic reiterates there’s no way that, for example, the network knew anything about the Josh Duggar allegations.

 

“I would bet anything that there is no possibility Discovery had any knowledge of this whatsoever. If there was even remotely talk of this, the show would have never gone on the air,” Pinvidic said. “It’s a big show, but it makes a tiny percentage of overall Discovery and TLC’s [revenue]. They wouldn’t risk this kind of publicity.”

 

[Isthisok]

Even Funny or Die presented a more accurate interpretation of what happened than Huckabee.

http://www.funnyordie.com/topic/duggars

[Rhondinella]

Just FYI, I moved a few posts that were solely about ratings, spin-off possibilities and TLC in general to the media thread.  Please try as much as possible to take discussion that are solely about these matters there.  Thank you.

[SopranoKris]

Even Funny or Die presented a more accurate interpretation of what happened than Huckabee.

http://www.funnyordie.com/topic/duggars

 

OMG!  That was hysterical.  Thanks for posting this link :)

[Cherrio]

More from the Washington Post, with insight into revenue from the show:

As for Discovery Communications specifically, former TLC executive Brant Pinvidic reiterates there’s no way that, for example, the network knew anything about the Josh Duggar allegations.

“I would bet anything that there is no possibility Discovery had any knowledge of this whatsoever. If there was even remotely talk of this, the show would have never gone on the air,” Pinvidic said. “It’s a big show, but it makes a tiny percentage of overall Discovery and TLC’s [revenue]. They wouldn’t risk this kind of publicity.”

The thing that makes this hinky to me is that the cancellation of the Oprah appearance.  TLC would of known the reason why.     Also, if I am not mistaken, TLC and OWN (oprah) are both part of Discovery Communications.

[JoanArc]

Even Funny or Die presented a more accurate interpretation of what happened than Huckabee.

http://www.funnyordie.com/topic/duggars

Hilarious! They nailed Michelle's bug-eyed glare.

 

Unfortunately, if/when they make a public statement, it will sound exactly like this. Honestly, the longer they wait, the worse it gets. I don't think Jim Bob realizes he can't just pray this away.

 

And Josh, well....he's probably in South America.

[Wellfleet]

We have heard nothing from the Duggars since the statements were released a week ago.  While this is to be expected, and I am especially glad that the girls have not been trotted out in public, forced to say "We have forgiven,we are healed, Jesus will take care of us, yada, yada, yada," I do admit that every morning when I wake up I am half expecting to find out that something even more awful has happened as a result of these revelations.

 

For the life of me I just cannot imagine how they thought this would never come out.  Sealed court documents and police reports aside, Josh was made to confess before the congregation of their church.  Surely they realized that someone would eventually come forward with that information.  Are JB and Michelle that naive? The man was a state rep, he knows how vulnerable politicians are to skeletons in their closets.  And yet they went ahead with the tv show, endorsing politicians, lending their names to hot button political issues... SMH.

 

I wonder if Josh is actually relieved on some level. The stress of wondering when this would surface must have been incredible- not that he doesn't deserve everything that has come his way. 

 

I think the reason why it never occurred to Boob and Me-chelle that this would come out is actually quite easily-explained. They are clueless about the real world. And I don't mean this in a snarky "Aren't they just the dumbest hillbillies ever?" way. The isolation in which they have placed themselves and their family, in order to protect themselves from all the world's many and sundry evils, in which they have lived for close to 30 years, is the very thing that also prevented them from learning things that would be good - even valuable - for them to know. The Duggars' whole 'keep away' philosophy throws out the proverbial baby with the bath water. 

Edited May 29, 2015 by Wellfleet

[dillpickles]

The word I've always used to describe the Duggars has been "pernicious", because it has such a nasty ring to it.

Anyway, I wonder if Josh has made it back to the compound, and if so, if Clown Car put an unholy beat-down on him the minute he walked through the door.

"JIM BOB, HOLD MY STARBUCKS!"

"M-mom? What about your back muscles?"

"YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL PURPOSE TO BLANKET TRAIN YOU"

[autumnh]

This whole thing has disgusted me....especially the sweeping it under the rug, psycho analyzing it etc.

 

 

I am a 49 year old female. My sister is 58. I was sexually abused by my sister from when I was 5 until I was 13. I did not know at that young of an age that it was abnormal....the older I got the more I knew it was not normal....I suffered IMMENSELY and literally tortured myself for years and the only people I talked about it with are the people at RAINN and my therapist. Most people think it is brother on sister/vice versa. I never told a soul. I felt like not one person would ever believe that she who was perfect could be capable of such a horrific act. It changed who I was as a person....I always felt like that even as successful I have been...a great wife/mother/business owner...I felt like she robbed me of this huge part of my life. Growing up back in the day ..and I am sure there are many of us around the same age....we would never speak of it. My 85 year old mom lives with her..my mom has Alzheimers but I cannot speak to her or be within her presence...I will punch her in the face...(i've not seen her in a decade) Talk about a horrible mess. 

 

I don't care how much you claim God has forgiven a person...that is peachy keen...what about the victims who are left to fend for themselves....like me...God didn't help me.  I prayed like the good Catholic girl I was...but here I sit....at 49...still stressed, still angry and furious at the people who defend anyone who commits this heinous crime.

[Cherrio]

Hilarious! They nailed Michelle's bug-eyed glare.

 

Unfortunately, if/when they make a public statement, it will sound exactly like this. Honestly, the longer they wait, the worse it gets. I don't think Jim Bob realizes he can't just pray this away.

 

And Josh, well....he's probably in South America.

No, he is the Hyman Roth of the fundies. Nobody wants him.   I do think Alcatraz would be a good place to put all of these hate monger pathetic people though.

[skippy]

I won't be watching any TLC anymore. This was the final straw for me.     Every single person decision either way will make a difference sooner or later. It was a huge backlash that got rid of the weekly Kate and 8 show.

         More than anything, I feel TLC leads all networks in terms of child exploitation.   Very young children are performers without a say.  I should of tuned out a long time ago.    Last year I decided no more 600 lb. Life.   What this network and producers had the mostly lower middle class , uneducated people do was off the charts.

They took desperate and very troubled people and exploited the hell out of them.

 

I respect your determination.  You may be right about child exploitation; I won't comment on that yet because I haven't had time to really think about that.  For now, I can't commit to boycotting all of TLC because I know there will be something I want to watch that I can watch without feeling like I'm violating someone. For example, I love "The Little Couple" and "Say Yes to the Dress".

[Cherrio]

This whole thing has disgusted me....especially the sweeping it under the rug, psycho analyzing it etc.

 

 

I am a 49 year old female. My sister is 58. I was sexually abused by my sister from when I was 5 until I was 13. I did not know at that young of an age that it was abnormal....the older I got the more I knew it was not normal....I suffered IMMENSELY and literally tortured myself for years and the only people I talked about it with are the people at RAINN and my therapist. Most people think it is brother on sister/vice versa. I never told a soul. I felt like not one person would ever believe that she who was perfect could be capable of such a horrific act. It changed who I was as a person....I always felt like that even as successful I have been...a great wife/mother/business owner...I felt like she robbed me of this huge part of my life. Growing up back in the day ..and I am sure there are many of us around the same age....we would never speak of it. My 85 year old mom lives with her..my mom has Alzheimers but I cannot speak to her or be within her presence...I will punch her in the face...(i've not seen her in a decade) Talk about a horrible mess. 

 

I don't care how much you claim God has forgiven a person...that is peachy keen...what about the victims who are left to fend for themselves....like me...God didn't help me.  I prayed like the good Catholic girl I was...but here I sit....at 49...still stressed, still angry and furious at the people who defend anyone who commits this heinous crime.

 I am horrified and so sorry for what happened to you.    

[Wellfleet]

The word I've always used to describe the Duggars has been "pernicious", because it has such a nasty ring to it.  

 

Anyway, I wonder if Josh has made it back to the compound, and if so, if Clown Car put an unholy beat-down on him the minute he walked through the door. 

 

Personally I'm guessing Josh is up to his eyeballs with real manual work - for a change - packing up every stick they own in the Maryland house and attending to moving-out details. Hopefully Anna and the kids are in Florida with her parents, or away from the Duggars in any other state for that matter. I kind of doubt that they are, but I do hope it.

[Aja]

 

I am a 49 year old female. My sister is 58. I was sexually abused by my sister from when I was 5 until I was 13.

autumnh, your story illustrates exactly why I find it completely impossible to believe that the victims have 'forgiven' Josh. At least not in any real sense of the word. They say what they have to say to survive. You can't just dismiss that kind of trauma because Mama said Jesus said you had to. I'm sorry you have suffered, and I hope that you are able to find peace despite your horrifying ordeal. And in my perfect parallel universe Josh Duggar will read your story too, and somewhere in his little pea brain become somewhat more aware of the impact his criminal acts had and will continue to have on the lives of his poor sisters.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Aja

[Boilergal]

[Fuzzysox]

Wow!  Is it wrong that I find such deep satisfaction that a person that received a robo call from MEchelle was ultimately the one that got this leaked to the public.  I believe she was the 1st to post the lesbian kissing photo in front of their house.  I LOVE IT!

Ok now it's starting to make sense why a girl pulled up an ancient post I made on Pickles thanking one of the girls kissing in front of the TTH.

Edited May 28, 2015 by Fuzzysox

[JoanArc]

No, he is the Hyman Roth of the fundies. Nobody wants him.   I do think Alcatraz would be a good place to put all of these hate monger pathetic people though.

Oh, I didn't mean working an SOS mission or anything, I meant hiding out, where no one knows him. He could probably at least walk on the street, there.

 

 

I think the reason why it never occurred to Boob and Me-chelle that this would come out is actually quite easily-explained. They are clueless about the real world.

Can I reframe this? I think it's cluelessness mixed with hubris. Creating your own reality for over a decade probably makes them think they have god-like power and control over what people think of them. Nope!

Edited May 28, 2015 by JoanArc

[Isthisok]

The closest (as in geographically) to the Duggars through most of this has been the production crew (cameramen, sound, etc.) I wonder what they know and/or have witnessed?

Yeah, I want to know how ol cameraman Jim never heard anything from any of the kids that gave him a clue. I shudder to think what the parents told the young kids would happen if they ever spoke about this stuff in mixed company.

[Fuzzysox]

The closest (as in geographically) to the Duggars through most of this has been the production crew (cameramen, sound, etc.) I wonder what they know and/or have witnessed?

How quickly can one of them write a book? I'd read it.

[WordFreak]

Autumnh, thank you for sharing your experience. I am so sorry that you had to go through such a horrible thing, but I hope you are finding peace and healing now. And to all of the other posters on here who have shared your experiences of sexual abuse, please know that I wish nothing but good things for you as you move forward. I hope you continue to stay strong. Virtual hugs to you all.

 

I guess this is the other thing about this whole debacle that angers me. If only the Duggar girls who were preyed on by their brother had any access to the real world. Maybe then they would realize they aren't alone, and that there is actual, legitimate help, and people who care about their welfare out there. They certainly aren't learning any of that stuck in the Duggar bubble of delusion.

 

Thanks again to everyone who has posted here for your thoughtful, honest and intelligent commentary. It's the main reason I keep visiting this forum, even though the topic we're discussing disgusts me. 

[Cherrio]

Oh, I didn't mean working an SOS mission or anything, I meant hiding out, where no one knows him. He could probably at least walk on the street, there.

I know, :)       I was talking about when Hyman Roth from The Godfather goes from country to country to escape facing charges and assassination and they all reject him.

[OhioMom]

I read that the internet was wiped clean of any evidence of Michelle's former blanket-training web group or her speaking engagements that she did (to instruct others on the method) before the show became a series.  After seeing a couple excerpts from that Pearl book I'm not surprised, and I can't believe nobody would question if they were still using those methods in the beginning. It's some really sick shit. Scroll down to the first comment after the story. I wish I could un-see it.

http://defamer.gawker.com/police-report-reveals-the-duggar-discipline-method-th-1707154965

 

I'm glad I never supported these freakazoids by watching the show.

First comment? Heck...read the rest on the first page....My mind is conversely whirling and buzzing, and it's not a good thing.

[Boilergal]

Even Funny or Die presented a more accurate interpretation of what happened than Huckabee.

http://www.funnyordie.com/topic/duggars

Too FunnY!!  Had she only used a baby voice it would have been perfect...

[3 is enough]

Autumnh: Wishing nothing but good things for you.  Hugs.

[amitville]

This whole thing has disgusted me....especially the sweeping it under the rug, psycho analyzing it etc.

 

 

I am a 49 year old female. My sister is 58. I was sexually abused by my sister from when I was 5 until I was 13. I did not know at that young of an age that it was abnormal....the older I got the more I knew it was not normal....I suffered IMMENSELY and literally tortured myself for years and the only people I talked about it with are the people at RAINN and my therapist. Most people think it is brother on sister/vice versa. I never told a soul. I felt like not one person would ever believe that she who was perfect could be capable of such a horrific act. It changed who I was as a person....I always felt like that even as successful I have been...a great wife/mother/business owner...I felt like she robbed me of this huge part of my life. Growing up back in the day ..and I am sure there are many of us around the same age....we would never speak of it. My 85 year old mom lives with her..my mom has Alzheimers but I cannot speak to her or be within her presence...I will punch her in the face...(i've not seen her in a decade) Talk about a horrible mess. 

 

I don't care how much you claim God has forgiven a person...that is peachy keen...what about the victims who are left to fend for themselves....like me...God didn't help me.  I prayed like the good Catholic girl I was...but here I sit....at 49...still stressed, still angry and furious at the people who defend anyone who commits this heinous crime.

I am at a loss for words at what has happened to you, just know i am sending virtual hugs 

[wanderwoman]

This morning's Washington Post has a quote from Michelle's book "A Love That Multiplies" that could serve as a good response to the fools who are yelling "God has forgiven Josh, so stop being mean to him!":

 

“God can forgive any wrong choices a person is willing to confess and forsake, but there are still painful consequences to be endured.”

From the same book: "the gravity of the sin isn't in the act, it's in the secret" -Michelle

She was talking about holding yourself to sexual and moral purity standards!! !! Allow me to subtext what she was saying, now that we know exactly what sort of shit was going on in that house. "Because my son told us he was struggling with impure thoughts and told us he was molesting our daughters and young children, he's not as guilty as those random strangers that keep it a secret." What?!? But, let's flip that... in a certain light, she's redirecting the CRIME and sin of molestation to the victim because she argues that not telling someone when you've been wronged is tantamount to allowing it to happen to some else. This logic is completely really ridiculous. The Duggar family and other IBLP families, are actually advocating the following:

1. Dressing immodestly can entice men into physical actions.

2. Being sexually abused might be God's way of helping you grow spiritually.

3. Not confessing that you've been abused, makes you complicit in the sin and might jeopardize other people who you have just failed.

4. As long as the abuser admits and confesses the sin, he can be washed clean by the blood of Jesus (is it just me or didn't Michelle make the kids sing multiple songs about redemption through the blood?"

5. Once your abuser has confessed, you MUST forgive him or risk your soul and relationship with God.

That is so messed up. How on earth can you expect a victimised child to give a hug to the person who just sexually molested her?

Just so no one accuses me of putting words in the Duggars' mouths, here are their words...

Page 101- "We believe that a man's physical drive are excited by what he sees and it is DEFRAUDING (their emphasis) for a woman to wear clothing that accents her body...The Bible tells us not to be a stumbling block."

Michelle states, in the 20 and Counting book on page 176, "...all of our children have been in the apologizer's shoes at one time...it is common then for the VICTIM to hug and encourage the brother or sister, accepting the apology; IF THEY DO NOT HUG on their own, we ask them to do so."

On page 179, Michelle says, "Jesus said we need to do something good for the person who has been mean to us...we tell them to invest in their adversary's life."

On page 235, Jim Bob says, "children frequently come to us to talk....this includes feelings and thoughts of a sensual nature...we tell our kids, "The power of the sin is in the secrecy."

Page 268- "Our children's safety and well-being are top priorities for us.

In closing, for those who claim the Duggars don't deserve criticism, let's remember their own words: (p. 112)

"We know HE wanted us to stand for truth and we knew that that would not be well received by everyone....when we are targeted for criticism or condescension, we remember Jesus' words from the Sermon on the Mount. He said we should feel blessed when "people say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake...bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them that despise you."

[NEGirl]

I just want to say my heart breaks for all those who have been so brave to share their stories of abuse. I hope and pray you find the peace you all deserve.  Hugs to you all.

[luna70]

So much from posters, and from publications known for not printing the truth (Radar on Line, In Touch, Enquirer, and worse, TLC!)

The duggars are the biggest liars of the group!

What I can't figure, is why J.B would take his son to the police? Only if he knew Josh was getting arrested, or, he was trying to sway them away from more serious charges? There is no way he did it because he was being 'holy', because the Duggars do not trust 'regular' persons at all.

As for the 'girls' , I dont know where this came out, and certainly, the family would not report this. Though, women, girls, are a FAR 2nd class citizen with the Gothard Teachings, and when anything happens, it is almost always the fault of the woman/girl . That is why women are to dress very conservatively, and no dancing-all to keep men from getting excited. Goodle 'ex followers' of Gothard-I forgot the names of what they are called. I read one story where a  male around 16, 17 molested, raped his (step?) sisters who were around 4, 5 and they were blamed by religious leaders. Yes, they 'lured' him by being naked. They had taken a bath, and were going from the Bathroom to their bedroom to get dressed. I do not remember how police found out, but they did not 'buy' the religious officials blaming the little girls.

So, if Josh did ANYTHING to his sisters, we would NOT know! Not then, not now, not unless one of them leaves the church and writes a 'tell all', but the other 7 sisters would say 'she is lying'.

Josh would also not believe he did anything wrong, other then he did something before 'marriage' but it was HER fault!  BUT, as for feeling relieved , as some suggest, he probably has not felt any worry, since his father probably told him, and everyone else-'I took care of it, so forget it ever happened'. Remember, they do not read newspapers, watch TV, internet, etc. UNLESS it pretains to GOTHARD, or them. They are naive and/or stupid to many things. I.e. EMAILS once deleted are deleted, court papers sealed means no one will ever talk about them, and probably giving $$ to someone means that it will never be brought up again. They never hear the stories of politicians who have people come forward DECADES later with stories of affairs, stealing, etc.!

I feel bad for ANNA-If she was 2nd best, as in Daddy dearest told Josh to find a wife NOW! I hope she never hears this! She is also pregnant with #4, they do not have insurance anymore, so hopefully, she will be able to have at home birth, where ever HOME is going to be. Home-hopefully they go to florida, not to Arkansas. Imagine Arkansas if Jimbob  blames Josh, which he will for the show being cancelled! Income going away, (the real estate they talk about is under 10 houses and an 'antenna' which does bring $$). Who is going to offer a book contract? Appearances? Hopefully, they saved, because FRUGAL J.B. SPENDS! But, regardless of 'who's fault is it'.. (i.e. J.b. did not handle it right 9 years ago.. and we all know KARMA bites you in the a$$?). It will be JOSH, as in Josh, anna and their kids who are blamed, and if they live in ARK, probably reminded weekly? daily? whose fault it is?

AND.. of course, if there was a girl, teen, 9 years ago, this young woman who might have been raped... hopefully she got therapy, if not then, NOW! and I PRAY she does not have her name exposed.. which often happens even when the case is sealed.. $$ often buys anything.

 

As for Josh's sisters? Nothing is ever  going to happen with the older ones.. I thought, with marriage, escape, but, Jessa (?) marrying Ben, very low incomes, they are jim bob's slaves, Jill, if she encouraged Derrick to use his accounting degree.. they could escape, but, I doubt it, HE TOO, was 'specially chosen' for  JB's daughters..

 

Wow.. if we did not know the family, show, this whole set up for the married daughters, (how they had their husbands chosen, where they live, etc. ) would seem like a total abuse set up.. but, again, with the family, we do not know, and we will never know. The only thing now-with the show(s) in question, the parents might not be able to have th

[autumnh]

I have to say that I ONLY commented after much thought and consideration.

 

My whole point in posting my experience was to show that there is no NORMAL in sexual abuse..it comes without rhyme or reason. It is non discriminatory whether it be gender, race, age or sexuality. You cannot just wave your wand and say "I am healed" that isn't how it works. Most often the abusers are the ones given the attention...the ones who have suffered...the ones who have been stifled or abused themselves..it has created their persona as the abuser. 

 

The victims are rarely mentioned...we are left to pick up the pieces, to try and salvage what we have left as human beings...to try and find out self worth and to see how we can move forward while everyone talks about the abuser. We truly are the left behind. My sister is bipolar...always has been...everyone throughout her life felt bad for her. I was perfectly well aware that if I plopped down in the middle of a family reunion or BBQ and told my story...not one person would believe it...because well....she could never be capable.

 

I probably will never be the person I would have been had this not happened to me..but I do believe that everything happens for a reason and in some way...I became not the person I was born to be..but I person I was meant to be,

 

Thanks for just listening.

Edited May 28, 2015 by autumnh

[SomePity1066]

Autumnh - Sending many hugs and much peace your way - what you've endured is heartbreaking, and I don't blame you a bit - NOT ONE - for your feelings toward your sister and mother. I had a similar situation with my sister and mom, and even though they're both gone now, if they came back the first thing I'd do is scream bloody murder at them and probably give them a full-face smack. 

 

Sometimes forgiveness just isn't possible. Or realistic. Or deserved. And I don't feel that I'm psychologically blocked or damaged because I've chosen to not just "let it go".  Owning my anger and living my life well is empowering - I'm not consumed by it, but it gives me a sense of strength that I was able to go through what I did and come out clean and free on the other end. 

 

If the girls choose not to actually (as opposed to fake TV crap) forgive Josh and that's what's best for them then more power too them. Their path of healing is their own, and whatever route they take I fully support. 

[autumnh]

[snip]

 

Autumnh - Sending many hugs and much peace your way - what you've endured is heartbreaking, and I don't blame you a bit - NOT ONE - for your feelings toward your sister and mother. I had a similar situation with my sister and mom, and even though they're both gone now, if they came back the first thing I'd do is scream bloody murder at them and probably give them a full-face smack. 

 

Sometimes forgiveness just isn't possible. Or realistic. Or deserved. And I don't feel that I'm psychologically blocked or damaged because I've chosen to not just "let it go".  Owning my anger and living my life well is empowering - I'm not consumed by it, but it gives me a sense of strength that I was able to go through what I did and come out clean and free on the other end. 

 

If the girls choose not to actually (as opposed to fake TV crap) forgive Josh and that's what's best for them then more power too them. Their path of healing is their own, and whatever route they take I fully support. 

 

I don't feel blocked either. I just move forward each day as best I can...it is the only option for me.  We're strong women...we always come out on the other side :)  Every day is a good day that I wake up breathing :) lol..it truly is about perspective. hugs!

Edited May 28, 2015 by Rhondinella

[Fuzzysox]

I'm surprised no media outlets are stalking Josh especially now that we all think they are moving out of Maryland.

[truthtalk2014]

Ok now it's starting to make sense why a girl pulled up an ancient post I made on Pickles thanking one of the girls kissing in front of the TTH.

Sorry- not familiar with what happened but I would love it if you would elaborate. 

[autumnh]

Autumnh - Sending many hugs and much peace your way - what you've endured is heartbreaking, and I don't blame you a bit - NOT ONE - for your feelings toward your sister and mother. I had a similar situation with my sister and mom, and even though they're both gone now, if they came back the first thing I'd do is scream bloody murder at them and probably give them a full-face smack. 

 

Sometimes forgiveness just isn't possible. Or realistic. Or deserved. And I don't feel that I'm psychologically blocked or damaged because I've chosen to not just "let it go".  Owning my anger and living my life well is empowering - I'm not consumed by it, but it gives me a sense of strength that I was able to go through what I did and come out clean and free on the other end. 

 

If the girls choose not to actually (as opposed to fake TV crap) forgive Josh and that's what's best for them then more power too them. Their path of healing is their own, and whatever route they take I fully support. 

 

The best I can do is send you many virtual hugs and love and light...and strength <3

[truthtalk2014]

Personally I'm guessing Josh is up to his eyeballs with real manual work - for a change - packing up every stick they own in the Maryland house and attending to moving-out details. Hopefully Anna and the kids are in Florida with her parents, or away from the Duggars in any other state for that matter. I kind of doubt that they are, but I do hope it.

Oh and no more donut hamburgers or WTF ever that was?  No more swinging like a gross monkey from the trapeze in Santa Monica?  I have a feeling that if Joshlester went back to Cali, he would get more than a gross cholesterol sandwich for lunch. I know he didn't eat it there, but he is just gross in general to me.  

 

I hope Boob puts him to work cleaning those toilets that Ben was previously in charge of.  I would pay to see that.

[Missy Vixen]

Autumn, my thoughts are with you and with every other victim that has spoken up on this forum over the past week.

 

Thank you for your trust in us. And I hope that listening brings some small measure of comfort.

[Ljohnson1987]

http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/rick-santorum-sickened-by-josh-duggar-molestation-report/263506

 

Rick Santorum is sickened by this. So is the rest of the world, dude.

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[Rhondinella]

Thank you for your trust in us. And I hope that listening brings some small measure of comfort.

 

 

I know it has for me.  And I thank all of you for being the loving, sensitive, wonderful people you are who made that possible.  And hearing so many other stories from survivors has been helpful too.  Horrible of course, but in a sense helpful to me because it reminds me I'm not alone, and more importantly that it really, definitely wasn't my fault.

[autumnh]

I know it has for me.  And I thank all of you for being the loving, sensitive, wonderful people you are who made that possible.  And hearing so many other stories from survivors has been helpful too.  Horrible of course, but in a sense helpful to me because it reminds me I'm not alone, and more importantly that it really, definitely wasn't my fault.

 

It was never your fault *hugs*

[Fuzzysox]

Sorry- not familiar with what happened but I would love it if you would elaborate. 

Way back in January I posted this article on Pickles FB page:

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/01/classmate-slams-michelle-duggar/

 

Someone came  to the page today and pulled up the post and thanked McFerrin. Was she the source for sending info to InTouch? Leaves me wondering.

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[Missy Vixen]

Someone came  to the page today and pulled up the post and thanked McFerrin. Was she the source for sending info to InTouch? Leaves me wondering.

I hope the person who was responsible never gets outed. If they do, they'll get sued and most likely charged with taking the report out of the police files.

 

The longer that person can remain anonymous, the more likely it will be that there will be more information that mysteriously finds its way into the media's hands.

 

IMHO, of course.

[DangerousMinds]

I won't be watching any TLC anymore. This was the final straw for me.     Every single person decision either way will make a difference sooner or later. It was a huge backlash that got rid of the weekly Kate and 8 show.

         More than anything, I feel TLC leads all networks in terms of child exploitation.   Very young children are performers without a say.  I should of tuned out a long time ago.    Last year I decided no more 600 lb. Life.   What this network and producers had the mostly lower middle class , uneducated people do was off the charts.

They took desperate and very troubled people and exploited the hell out of them.

I have no problem boycotting TLC. I have never entered a Walmart or Hobby Lobby, will never eat at a Chick Fil A again, because of their sickening business practices and beliefs. I will also have no problem boycotting any remaining Duggar advertisers, if they keep the show on the air. There is more than enough to watch on TV; I don't need TLC. In fact, I should really cut down on TV, especially "reality shows" I general. Easy peasy.

I think the reason why it never occurred to Boob and Me-chelle that this would come out is actually quite easily-explained. They are clueless about the real world. And I don't mean this in a snarky "Aren't they just the dumbest hillbillies ever?" way. The isolation in which they have placed themselves and their family, in order to protect themselves from all the world's many and sundry evils, in which they have lived for close to 30 years, is the very thing that also prevented them from learning things that would be good - and valuable - for them to know. The Duggars' whole 'keep away' philosophy throws out the proverbial baby with the bath water.

Yes, the whole family (including Anna, Bin, and Derick) are boring yokels IMO. Even with Josh and Boob/Mechelle, I don't want to see this show stay on the air. Jill and Jessa's boring home life? More babies? Yawn.

[NextIteration]

This whole thing has disgusted me....especially the sweeping it under the rug, psycho analyzing it etc.

 

I am a 49 year old female. My sister is 58. I was sexually abused by my sister from when I was 5 until I was 13. 

 

Oh dear, now I'm bawling, it's a good bawling though because they are all cleansing one way or anther.  Massive hugs. ♥

 

To you and to everyone that else that has shared.

 

There are indeed a lot of people that need to be punched in the face, for all of us.

I have no problem boycotting TLC. I have never entered a Walmart or Hobby Lobby, will never eat at a Chick Fil A again, because of their sickening business practices and beliefs. I will also have no problem boycotting any remaining Duggar advertisers, if they keep the show on the air. There is more than enough to watch on TV; I don't need TLC. In fact, I should really cut down on TV, especially "reality shows" I general. Easy peasy.

 

Me either, I only ever watch this shit accidentally anyways - or in retrospect way after the fact out of morbid curiosity, since the network really circled the drain.  We don't have Hobby Lobby where I live, but I've been mentally boycotting them for quite awhile now, along with Chick Fil-A which just appeared in my state.  Walmart is easy because - Costco and Target, it just gets hard when I'm boycotting Target.

[DangerousMinds]

Haha, I have also been boycotting Target for the past 18 months or so. It can be done!

I feel sure that Anna still has health insurance. Cobra probably.

[HumblePi]

Tonight on EXTRA, sources say that TLC is closer to axing the show. Hulu just announced it will no longer stream “19 Kids." The Duggars, who reportedly make $45K per episode, have launched their own campaign to “save our series,” encouraging fans to inundate sponsors who have jumped ship.

Of course, the mega-family has built their empire on more than just the show. They also make money from book and DVD sales, as well as speaking engagements.

Josh has remained in hiding since In Touch broke the news that he allegedly molested five girls when he was a teen.

[barbedwire]

$45,000 an episode?  Yikes!  No wonder they want this train wreck to keep going.  Jana should try to take her cut and run.