Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, SnapHappy said:

This makes the most sense, as it's her only real way to contribute to her upkeep, and that of her kids.   

She's never struck me as lazy or a Jessa.  And I do agree she was instructed by the attorneys to always be by his side, reinforcing the "family support" angle.   That doesn't mean she actually wanted to be in the center ring of that circus.  

Oh, I think Anna wanted to support Josh at the trial. I believe she thinks he is innocent. Non-fundies would likely 'stand by their man' in the same way if they thought their husband was not guilty. I do agree the news cameras weren't pleasant for her though.

[Ljohnson1987]

If Josh only gets 10 years... All of his kids won't be adults. 

[cmr2014]

13 hours ago, quickjessie said:

I would certainly consider him a level 3.  He started young and never quit.  Seems addicted to porn and his addiction finally led him to where he is now.  This guy is never going to quit and has an obvious lack of impulse control.  The fact he couldn't resist downloading this stuff where he could have easily been caught in the act tells me all I need to know about his non-ability to stop.

 

He has literally never had to practice self control in anything in any context. Part of the Gothard schtick is that people -- especially men -- have no self control and must be monitored at all times. Josh has spent his life trying to do an end run around these "accountability" controls. I think that's all part of the thrill for him.

 

8 hours ago, Zella said:

My guess is the apparent lack of offenses from this time are probably more due to him just not having been caught than an actual halt, but I could be wrong. He is hard to read. 

I agree 100%. We do know of at least one additional offense -- the assault on the porn star. 

I, personally, think that Josh is turned on by dominance and cruelty toward people he perceives as weak and vulnerable (women and children in particular), more than simply being sexually attracted to children.

There may have been dozens (or hundreds) of violent hookups with women who have not come forward. We have no idea of the type of adult porn he was watching, either. Since it's legal, it wouldn't be evidence at the trial, but it could easily be depictions of violence and cruelty and seems likely (to me) to portray non-consensual sex.

I think it's likely that whoever examined Josh for the sentencing report has experience dealing with people like him and will be able to see through his sad bs, and will recommend a serious sentence and serious monitoring after he is eventually released.

[Minivanessa]

39 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

She's never struck me as lazy or a Jessa.  And I do agree she was instructed by the attorneys to always be by his side, reinforcing the "family support" angle.   That doesn't mean she actually wanted to be in the center ring of that circus.  

 

34 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh, I think Anna wanted to support Josh at the trial. I believe she thinks he is innocent. Non-fundies would likely 'stand by their man' in the same way if they thought their husband was not guilty. I do agree the news cameras weren't pleasant for her though.

I think Anna wasn't shy about the spotlight, including going to court holding hands with her [But I Have A] Husband™ - but that she didn't expect it to be as unpleasant as it turned out to be. She was visibly upset after the verdict and was rushed out of the courthouse. 

I think that she's been a pretty involved mother to her kids, IMO certainly better than Saint Michelle of the Sacred Uterus ever was. Anna's kids have always looked cleaner and better dressed than their close-in-age cousins in photos over the years. I also agree that she wasn't welcomed into the family with open arms by her sisters-in-law. First, there's the Duggar arrogance that pretty much permeates the whole family, then there's the fact that Anna's family lived in a double-wide in Florida (or something humble), etc. IOW *they* were Duggars and she was not, lol. I also wonder how her obvious adoration of her wonderful marvelous Josh-U-a resonated with his siblings, who IMO weren't such big fans of Smuggar. Of course, well before Joshgate broke, we'd dubbed her Smuganna, lol. 

Whatever, she's in a bad situation. I suppose she's still in denial as to the truth about her husband - and may remain there forever. 

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I think that she's been a pretty involved mother to her kids, IMO certainly better than Saint Michelle of the Sacred Uterus ever was. Anna's kids have always looked cleaner and better dressed than their close-in-age cousins in photos over the years. I also agree that she wasn't welcomed into the family with open arms by her sisters-in-law. First, there's the Duggar arrogance that pretty much permeates the whole family, then there's the fact that Anna's family lived in a double-wide in Florida (or something humble), etc. IOW *they* were Duggars and she was not, lol. I also wonder how her obvious adoration of her wonderful marvelous Josh-U-a resonated with his siblings, who IMO weren't such big fans of Smuggar. Of course, well before Joshgate broke, we'd dubbed her Smuganna, lol. 

Anna certainly thought she hit the jackpot when she married Josh. As far as her being welcomed into the family- I always thought the older Duggars treated Anna well, but she and Josh didn't court for very long (and it was long distance), it probably took them a while to get to know her. Additionally, even before the rumors were confirmed, I could tell that NONE of the older kids liked Josh AT ALL. I agree with you that this effected how they treated Anna. I don't think they were mean to her, but I don't think they were excited to have her join the family.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I don't have in-laws in a way shape or form, but there are so MANY Duggars by biological relation, I could not imagine that there was a lot of bandwidth (emotionally or practically) to deal with Anna emotionally/physically. I am not insinuating people with big families do not love their in-laws (not saying that at all) but humans tend to have only so much emotional bandwidth for emotionally intimate relationships- I don't see cultivating one with Anna as high on anyone's priority list.

 

[dariafan]

And Michelle wasn’t going to think anyone but a clone of her would be good enough 

[Zella]

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

I, personally, think that Josh is turned on by dominance and cruelty toward people he perceives as weak and vulnerable (women and children in particular), more than simply being sexually attracted to children.

There may have been dozens (or hundreds) of violent hookups with women who have not come forward. We have no idea of the type of adult porn he was watching, either. Since it's legal, it wouldn't be evidence at the trial, but it could easily be depictions of violence and cruelty and seems likely (to me) to portray non-consensual sex.

I agree.

And we actually did get a hint of his taste in adult porn. During the testimony at the bond hearing, the DHS agent mentioned "Tor browser was used to access porn sites associated with rape and files associated with CP." I always interpreted that to mean adult rape porn separate from what he was charged with. 

[GeeGolly]

25 minutes ago, dariafan said:

And Michelle wasn’t going to think anyone but a clone of her would be good enough 

Michelle was not going to welcome anyone who could produce babies, while she was still able to.

[lascuba]

 

2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Anna certainly thought she hit the jackpot when she married Josh. As far as her being welcomed into the family- I always thought the older Duggars treated Anna well, but she and Josh didn't court for very long (and it was long distance), it probably took them a while to get to know her. Additionally, even before the rumors were confirmed, I could tell that NONE of the older kids liked Josh AT ALL. I agree with you that this effected how they treated Anna. I don't think they were mean to her, but I don't think they were excited to have her join the family.

Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I don't have in-laws in a way shape or form, but there are so MANY Duggars by biological relation, I could not imagine that there was a lot of bandwidth (emotionally or practically) to deal with Anna emotionally/physically. I am not insinuating people with big families do not love their in-laws (not saying that at all) but humans tend to have only so much emotional bandwidth for emotionally intimate relationships- I don't see cultivating one with Anna as high on anyone's priority list.

 

That was pretty much my take as well. Another element of the Anna relationship had with her in laws, I think, is just how much of an obvious fangirl she was when she married in. That had to be annoying and exhausting for them, especially the oldest girls. I'll never forget Jinger's look of utter disgust when Anna chirped, "We haven't picked our letter yet!" when she was pregnant with Mackynzie.

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, lascuba said:

I'll never forget Jinger's look of utter disgust when Anna chirped, "We haven't picked our letter yet!" when she was pregnant with Mackynzie.

I find it fascinating that none of the actual Duggar kids seem interested in a naming theme. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head (Josh and Anna's Ms and Josiah and Lauren's ABCs) seem to be more driven by an in-law. I bet they were all so sick of that growing up. 

[Natalie68]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I have no idea what boxes need to be checked to meet the different levels of the sex offender list, but Felon Boy is somewhat of an anomaly. He seemly went more than a decade with no offenses and the community directly around him seemed to be at little risk, even as his perversions escalated.

I think the biggest struggle the Felon will have after getting out is adhering to any phone/computer/internet restrictions that might be imposed. He may end up cycling in and out of jail if those are part of his release restrictions.

That we know of

[SnapHappy]

I absolutely cannot believe that the dumpling was involved in more than POSSIBLY a few extra-marital hookups. 

He didn't have the money for anybody high priced or exclusive, nor was it available in the places he went.  No Heidi Fleiss is going to be catering to a D-list reality schlub from Arkansas with a Wal Mart budget.

And as such, I think any of THOSE women he could have paid off with a few rolls of quarters would have come crawling out of the woodwork & to InTouch mag, looking for a real pay day.   Before going back to their afternoon shift working the register at Dollar Tree.  

Edited February 18, 2022 by SnapHappy

[JoanArc]

1 hour ago, SnapHappy said:

I absolutely cannot believe that the dumpling was involved in more than POSSIBLY a few extra-marital hookups. 

He didn't have the money for anybody high priced or exclusive, nor was it available in the places he went.  No Heidi Fleiss is going to be catering to a D-list reality schlub from Arkansas with a Wal Mart budget.

And as such, I think any of THOSE women he could have paid off with a few rolls of quarters would have come crawling out of the woodwork & to InTouch mag, looking for a real pay day.   Before going back to their afternoon shift working the register at Dollar Tree.  

He wasn’t that recognizable. All he had to do was go to the right bar, or use the right website. Disgusting sex with a stranger you’re not really attracted to and will never see again seems right up his alley.  I’m sure he would’ve found a street hoe without any issue. 

[GeeGolly]

Josh is a hard one to figure out. Watching may have been enough for him - at least for now. I have a string inkling it would have eventually turned into face to face - maybe. Or maybe it already had. But I think someone as dumb as Josh would have gotten caught a lot sooner if he was dabbling an any kind of illegal sexual perversions on a regular basis.

[Ohiopirate02]

24 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh is a hard one to figure out. Watching may have been enough for him - at least for now. I have a string inkling it would have eventually turned into face to face - maybe. Or maybe it already had. But I think someone as dumb as Josh would have gotten caught a lot sooner if he was dabbling an any kind of illegal sexual perversions on a regular basis.

Yeah, Josh's line to the US Marshalls when they first showed up makes me think he would be the type of John who gets busted in a sting.  

[Zella]

31 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

But I think someone as dumb as Josh would have gotten caught a lot sooner if he was dabbling an any kind of illegal sexual perversions on a regular basis.

This is very true. He was homeschooled by Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar after all! 

[cmr2014]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh is a hard one to figure out. Watching may have been enough for him - at least for now. I have a string inkling it would have eventually turned into face to face - maybe. Or maybe it already had. But I think someone as dumb as Josh would have gotten caught a lot sooner if he was dabbling an any kind of illegal sexual perversions on a regular basis.

I think he might be frightened of actually doing the sorts of things he enjoys watching. The porn star might have been a one-off, or he may have been out on the prowl since the day of his wedding when his "accountability partner" shackles were removed.

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think he might be frightened of actually doing the sorts of things he enjoys watching. The porn star might have been a one-off, or he may have been out on the prowl since the day of his wedding when his "accountability partner" shackles were removed.

I think you are right about being frightened of doing it.

[JoanArc]

39 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I think you are right about being frightened of doing it.

  Was not frightened of actually doing it to the people he was closest to. 

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

  Was not frightened of actually doing it to the people he was closest to. 

I was referring to the rough stuff.

[JoanArc]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

I was referring to the rough stuff.

So was I.

[GeeGolly]

Just now, JoanArc said:

So was I.

I guess we have different definitions of rough? Fondling is awful, wrong and disgusting, but not the same as what was described in the videos Josh watched. To me anyway.

[DXD526]

With pest's sentencing only a month and a half away, what kind of time awaits him? I know everyone here is hoping for the max, but that's unlikely. I was thinking in the seven-eight year range, but someone on DuggarsSnark made a good point: since pest was offered 10 years and turned it down, now that the gov has convicted him, they might give him more than 10, just for making them go through with the trial. That, coupled with his total lack of remorse, might get him more like something in the 11-15 range. Then possibly a few years of supervised release. And registering as a sex offender. He's not going to have a good time, that's for sure.

Speculations?

[JustRosie]

11 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

With pest's sentencing only a month and a half away, what kind of time awaits him? I know everyone here is hoping for the max, but that's unlikely. I was thinking in the seven-eight year range, but someone on DuggarsSnark made a good point: since pest was offered 10 years and turned it down, now that the gov has convicted him, they might give him more than 10, just for making them go through with the trial. That, coupled with his total lack of remorse, might get him more like something in the 11-15 range. Then possibly a few years of supervised release. And registering as a sex offender. He's not going to have a good time, that's for sure.

Speculations?

I think his sentence will be 10+ years. I really hope he gets many years of supervised release afterwards. I agree with the poster up thread who said he may cycle in and out of custody due to breaching his release conditions. I think that will definitely happen. JMHO

[SMama]

19 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

With pest's sentencing only a month and a half away, what kind of time awaits him? I know everyone here is hoping for the max, but that's unlikely. I was thinking in the seven-eight year range, but someone on DuggarsSnark made a good point: since pest was offered 10 years and turned it down, now that the gov has convicted him, they might give him more than 10, just for making them go through with the trial. That, coupled with his total lack of remorse, might get him more like something in the 11-15 range. Then possibly a few years of supervised release. And registering as a sex offender. He's not going to have a good time, that's for sure.

Speculations?

IIRC, the offer of a 10 year plea deal was somehow speculated based on a sentence on one of the prosecution’s filings. Other posters who are very good at sleuthing have tried to find the purported offer without  success. It’s right up there with the assertion that JB’s term as a state legislator provided free health insurance to his family for life. 

I would like nothing better than for the FF to be gone for 15-20 years, but he is likely to get far less than that. Many people are also hoping for a large fine, but again, fines are not usually handed with convictions. At least he will be away from society for however long the judge deems necessary.

[CandyXmasTree]

I want to talk to whomever about his sentencing because my church ministers to prisoners and I would really love to minister to him . but what I would say I would probably be put in the dungeon and have a ball gag in my mouth.

[GeeGolly]

Much of the speculation here thus far has been 5 - 7 years. I hope its at least that or more. 5 years feels like too little time for the crime, so I hope its not less than that.

[emmawoodhouse]

Five is the minimum, so at least we have that. I think he'll get something like 8-10, maybe more if the judge considers the molestations. 

[madpsych78]

If the plea deal was 10 years, then the actual sentencing has got to be more than ten years. Give him extra time because he didn't own up to his guilt.

[emmawoodhouse]

47 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

If the plea deal was 10 years, then the actual sentencing has got to be more than ten years. Give him extra time because he didn't own up to his guilt.

The plea deal was never confirmed. It may have been less than 10 years.

[quarks]

I'm guessing seven to eight years, followed by an eight to ten year supervised release and mandatory registration on the sex offender list.

He's currently 33, so he'll be about 40 to 41 when he gets out. By then, more siblings will be married, more little Duggarlings will be around, and at least a few Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, possibly Jed, possibly Derrick) will have achieved some limited success somewhere.

I don't think he's going to handle that well. He needs to feel important/powerful/successful - just look at how he handled his initial interview with the federal agents, when he knew full well that the chances were good that he would be a suspect in that case. He spent a good 25% of it trying (and failing) to present himself as some sort of big shot person with major connections to the federal government. And although sure, part of that was a (failed) attempt to get the federal agents to back off, most of it was trying to sell himself as a big shot.  

But once he emerges from jail, even if he completes a degree while in jail (and I'm not expecting him to), he's going to be behind most of his siblings by most measures - job status, community status, wealth, number of kids, and so on. And there's a non-zero chance that three or four Duggars/Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, Derrick, Jed, one of the Bates kids) if not wildly successful, will have achieved some level of the political/religious/entertainment success he wanted. 

On top of that, he's going to struggle finding any sort of employment other than (maybe) working for his brothers. And, all offense intended, none of his brothers are exactly big shots, or working in intellectually stimulating jobs.

He could, of course, go on a redemption tour and earn some money through speaking gigs, but to do that, he would at least have to act repentant, which does not seem to be one of his skills.

So my guess is that he's going to break the conditions of his release or reoffend or both.

I hope I'm wrong. 

[GeeGolly]

14 minutes ago, quarks said:

I'm guessing seven to eight years, followed by an eight to ten year supervised release and mandatory registration on the sex offender list.

He's currently 33, so he'll be about 40 to 41 when he gets out. By then, more siblings will be married, more little Duggarlings will be around, and at least a few Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, possibly Jed, possibly Derrick) will have achieved some limited success somewhere.

I don't think he's going to handle that well. He needs to feel important/powerful/successful - just look at how he handled his initial interview with the federal agents, when he knew full well that the chances were good that he would be a suspect in that case. He spent a good 25% of it trying (and failing) to present himself as some sort of big shot person with major connections to the federal government. And although sure, part of that was a (failed) attempt to get the federal agents to back off, most of it was trying to sell himself as a big shot.  

But once he emerges from jail, even if he completes a degree while in jail (and I'm not expecting him to), he's going to be behind most of his siblings by most measures - job status, community status, wealth, number of kids, and so on. And there's a non-zero chance that three or four Duggars/Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, Derrick, Jed, one of the Bates kids) if not wildly successful, will have achieved some level of the political/religious/entertainment success he wanted. 

On top of that, he's going to struggle finding any sort of employment other than (maybe) working for his brothers. And, all offense intended, none of his brothers are exactly big shots, or working in intellectually stimulating jobs.

He could, of course, go on a redemption tour and earn some money through speaking gigs, but to do that, he would at least have to act repentant, which does not seem to be one of his skills.

So my guess is that he's going to break the conditions of his release or reoffend or both.

I hope I'm wrong. 

The molestations and porn being made public already stunted any "professional" growth for Josh. And the porn further reduced his big brother status. So that won't change much for Josh.

The Duggars, who aren't really mainstream stars, will be longtime former reality show stars by the time Josh is out, so any redemption tour would likely only help him in the land of Fundies and I'm not even sure any mainstream TV outlets would even book him, except maybe Dr Phil.

[Cinnabon]

37 minutes ago, quarks said:

I'm guessing seven to eight years, followed by an eight to ten year supervised release and mandatory registration on the sex offender list.

He's currently 33, so he'll be about 40 to 41 when he gets out. By then, more siblings will be married, more little Duggarlings will be around, and at least a few Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, possibly Jed, possibly Derrick) will have achieved some limited success somewhere.

I don't think he's going to handle that well. He needs to feel important/powerful/successful - just look at how he handled his initial interview with the federal agents, when he knew full well that the chances were good that he would be a suspect in that case. He spent a good 25% of it trying (and failing) to present himself as some sort of big shot person with major connections to the federal government. And although sure, part of that was a (failed) attempt to get the federal agents to back off, most of it was trying to sell himself as a big shot.  

But once he emerges from jail, even if he completes a degree while in jail (and I'm not expecting him to), he's going to be behind most of his siblings by most measures - job status, community status, wealth, number of kids, and so on. And there's a non-zero chance that three or four Duggars/Duggarlings/Duggar adjacents (Jeremy, Derrick, Jed, one of the Bates kids) if not wildly successful, will have achieved some level of the political/religious/entertainment success he wanted. 

On top of that, he's going to struggle finding any sort of employment other than (maybe) working for his brothers. And, all offense intended, none of his brothers are exactly big shots, or working in intellectually stimulating jobs.

He could, of course, go on a redemption tour and earn some money through speaking gigs, but to do that, he would at least have to act repentant, which does not seem to be one of his skills.

So my guess is that he's going to break the conditions of his release or reoffend or both.

I hope I'm wrong. 

I’m assumed by your optimism regarding Jeremy and Jed!’s futures. Josh will probably join Jed! , selling cars out of a shack. No idea which siblings would have much money. 🤷‍♀️
 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Cinnabon

[quarks]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

I’m assumed by your optimism regarding Jeremy and Jed!’s futures.

I did say "limited" and "possibly"!

[merylinkid]

The original range was estimated about 7 years.   But that was before the judge allowed the prior molestation evidence in.   That could up it.   The big thing is not how much time he will get, but whether he has to register as a sex offender afterwards.   That's a lifetime deal.  I could live with that.

[ginger90]

49 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

The big thing is not how much time he will get, but whether he has to register as a sex offender afterwards.   That's a lifetime deal.

From what I understand , he will have to register. I don’t want to put the descriptions on here, so here’s  a link describing who would have to register for life: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FFiscalImpact%2F2017R%2FPublic%2FHB1175-Other1.pdf

[Ljohnson1987]

I hope Josh has to register. He should no longer be allowed to do whatever he wants. 

[Madtown]

How old is Mack? Thinking of the possibility that she could be courting by the time he is out if it's 7-10 years? I mean, Justin married at 18. I'm picturing JB finding her the "love of her life" since her dad might still be in prision.🤮

[GeeGolly]

4 minutes ago, Madtown said:

How old is Mack? Thinking of the possibility that she could be courting by the time he is out if it's 7-10 years? I mean, Justin married at 18. I'm picturing JB finding her the "love of her life" since her dad might still be in prision.🤮

He didn't find any of his own daughters spouses, so I'm guessing he won't find one for Mack either.

Mack recently turned 12, so she'll be at least 17 before the Felon gets out.

[Albanyguy]

If Josh has to register as a sex offender (and I don't see how he can avoid it), that will throw a monkey wrench in Anna's plan to get pregnant the day he's released from prison. The hope of eventually having another baby with Josh is the only thing that she'll have to look forward to during the long years ahead and once he's home, she'll be hell-bent on making it happen, despite the fact that she'll be approaching the end of her childbearing years by then.

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, Albanyguy said:

If Josh has to register as a sex offender (and I don't see how he can avoid it), that will throw a monkey wrench in Anna's plan to get pregnant the day he's released from prison. The hope of eventually having another baby with Josh is the only thing that she'll have to look forward to during the long years ahead and once he's home, she'll be hell-bent on making it happen, despite the fact that she'll be approaching the end of her childbearing years by then.

I don’t see the connection between him registering and Anna getting pregnant. 

[Albanyguy]

2 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I don’t see the connection between him registering and Anna getting pregnant. 

Would he legally be allowed to be anywhere near the baby?

[ginger90]

Just now, Albanyguy said:

Would he legally be allowed to be anywhere near the baby?

As far as I know restrictions can be placed on him while he’s under supervision (probation or parole)upon release. That doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t live with Anna and their children.

[madpsych78]

Surprised that Jed! came up as someone who would be potentially successful. I would have put Austin and even Jason, James and Justin ahead of that.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Surprised that Jed! came up as someone who would be potentially successful. I would have put Austin and even Jason, James and Justin ahead of that.

Agree.

[Heathen]

20 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

Would he legally be allowed to be anywhere near the baby?

Maybe or maybe not, but it wouldn't prevent Ofsmuggar from getting pregnant. Two different topics there. 

I wonder if the sins of their father will affect the M-kids' futures. Will anyone, even a fundie leghumper, want to marry someone whose father is a pedophile and convicted sex offender? It isn't as if Duggar is a common name and they can pretend they're not related. How did Tabitha Paine's anal rapist fare between his conviction and his eventual marriage? Did he dive into fundieness because (ignorant) fundies were the only people who would have anything to do with him? 

[SMama]

1 hour ago, Heathen said:

Maybe or maybe not, but it wouldn't prevent Ofsmuggar from getting pregnant. Two different topics there. 

I wonder if the sins of their father will affect the M-kids' futures. Will anyone, even a fundie leghumper, want to marry someone whose father is a pedophile and convicted sex offender? It isn't as if Duggar is a common name and they can pretend they're not related. How did Tabitha Paine's anal rapist fare between his conviction and his eventual marriage? Did he dive into fundieness because (ignorant) fundies were the only people who would have anything to do with him? 

I’m very curious about this because JB & M didn’t have a problem throwing the “sins of the father” often. They have always felt superior to everyone else. Now that their monster felon is drowning in sins, will they be quick to note their 7 grandchildren are damaged goods?

Tabitha Paine married the rapist and they seem to disappear. I’d like to know if they had children, and if they are still together.

[Meow25]

1 hour ago, SMama said:

I’m very curious about this because JB & M didn’t have a problem throwing the “sins of the father” often. They have always felt superior to everyone else. Now that their monster felon is drowning in sins, will they be quick to note their 7 grandchildren are damaged goods?

Tabitha Paine married the rapist and they seem to disappear. I’d like to know if they had children, and if they are still together.

Well...It wasn't really rape because the woman was asking for it by not having proper clothing on.   Remember, there is no such thing as rape because men can't control themselves if they can see an ankle or a collar bone.

  :(

[Nysha]

On 2/20/2022 at 12:31 PM, ginger90 said:

On 2/20/2022 at 12:16 PM, Albanyguy said:

Would he legally be allowed to be anywhere near the baby?

As far as I know restrictions can be placed on him while he’s under supervision (probation or parole)upon release. That doesn’t necessarily mean he can’t live with Anna and their children.

In my state, as long as he wasn't convicted of abusing his children, he would be able to live at home. He may also be allowed to have other children in the home as long as Anna is also present. 

When I was a foster mom one of my placements was a young, homeschooled sibling group who had been abused by their father, again. The first time the father went to a prison for sex offenders and finished the 12 month program. He was allowed to come back home and reoffended. Since he wasn't supposed to be alone with the children, his wife was charged with felony injury to a child. The kids went from my home to an adoptive placement.

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15 minutes ago, Nysha said:

He may also be allowed to have other children in the home as long as Anna is also present. 

because she did such a bang up job keeping an eye on him before.