Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Oldernowiser]

1 hour ago, cereality said:

If ever there was a time for a construction job in the hot Arkansas summer sun, this is it. Construction notoriously is very loose on background checks (esp for white English speakers) and doesn’t care what you did as long as you won’t murder their other workers and are willing to sweat it out to lay tile or pour driveway concrete. He’d have to be on a job site at 7 am (that makes this unlikely for the fam that sleeps until noon), would come home exhausted at 3 pm, Mrs R could feed him dinner at 6 pm and he’d crash by 8 out of exhaustion. No time to wonder about CP or whatever.

I vote for this! Or let’s put him on an asphalt or a roof tarring crew made up of Latinx guys who are half his size, insanely tough, and could kick his ass in thirty seconds flat. Enjoy your rich White privilege while you can, marshmallow guy.

[Gigi43]

2 minutes ago, Namaste said:

I think he loved the attention. Felt like a superstar. His smug attitude and demeanour throughout this has been appalling. 

 

Oh Mr. I'm Too Recognizable to Flee was definitely smiling under that mask at the cameras being there. 

[JoanArc]

8 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I vote for this! Or let’s put him on an asphalt or a roof tarring crew made up of Latinx guys who are half his size, insanely tough, and could kick his ass in thirty seconds flat. Enjoy your rich White privilege while you can, marshmallow guy.

Plexus salesman

[ginger90]

The vehicle was a Chevy Suburban.

[xtwheeler]

26 minutes ago, Zella said:

I was talking specifically about a tell-all about his childhood in 2015. At that point, he had been charged with no crime. I'm not sure how a Son of Sam law would prevent him from writing that.  

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Most Son of Sam laws have been revised not to prohibit the writing, but affecting the money earned. The Arkansas Son of Sam law does not prohibit him from writing, but from profiting.  Any profits must be turned over to the board to compensate crime victims. I don't know if AR's also prohibits friends, family, etc., from writing about them, but some do.

[Zella]

Just now, xtwheeler said:

Ah, yes, I see what you mean. Most Son of Sam laws have been revised not to prohibit the writing, but affecting the money earned. The Arkansas Son of Sam law does not prohibit him from writing, but from profiting.  Any profits must be turned over to the board to compensate crime victims. I don't know if AR's also prohibits friends, family, etc., from writing about them, but some do.

I get all that, but if you have never been charged with the crime to begin with, does that law still apply is my question. I assume that you could still be sued in civil court, but that's not quite the same thing. 

[irisheyes]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

 It’s still safe to Snark, right? 

Maybe if she worried less about the people “out there” and more about the people in her own house, she could have gotten Josh some help. Or at least not brought 7 innocent children into this mess. So busy looking at the speck in others’ eyes, she missed the huge plank in her own. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

2 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

Judging by the Rebers' house, this family can at least afford to feed Josh. If I were Maria, I wouldn't take responsibility for cooking his meals though. 

Somebody better find Josh some physical labor. He should be digging ditches or painting houses to work off the boredom. 

A better choice for Josh might be the Pearl family. They can put him on a blanket and hit him when he steps off. JB and Michelle seem to think this technique turns out good people. Or maybe not. 

I’d pay good money to smack him with a bamboo rod each time he wandered off a blanket. 

[xtwheeler]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

I get all that, but if you have never been charged with the crime to begin with, does that law still apply is my question. I assume that you could still be sued in civil court, but that's not quite the same thing. 

You mean if he'd never been arrested but wrote a book about liking pictures of CSA? Or about his childhood in general? I'm sorry, I know I'm missing what you're getting at, and I'm sorry!

We have a good example of how a civil suit might factor in, in the Goldman v. Simpson case. He was found legally responsible for Nicole & Ron's deaths, and has a HUGE cash judgment against him. ALL of his "income," including the proceeds from "If I Did It" (what a bastard) all go to satisfy that judgment. That's actually how he go caught up in the Nevada case -- he was trying to get cash on the sly so he didn't have to pay it towards the judgment. Hard to imagine an identifiable victim who could sue for such a judgment here.

[Zella]

3 minutes ago, xtwheeler said:

You mean if he'd never been arrested but wrote a book about liking pictures of CSA? Or about his childhood in general? I'm sorry, I know I'm missing what you're getting at, and I'm sorry!

My comments on this have absolutely nothing to do with what he was just charged with. As I already said, the context of my comment was talking about in 2015.

At that point, he had not been charged with a crime. My original comment was saying if Josh had really wanted out, he could have done that in 2015. And people were saying how would he have funded it, and I said between scandals, he probably could have cashed in on a tell-all about his childhood. I didn't say any of the things that you seem to be assuming, and I don't see how a Son of Sam law to that would apply since he was never charged for the molestations, and even if he had, he could have still spun a tell-all that primarily just talked about how shitty his parents were.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Zella

[Darknight]

1 hour ago, Gigi43 said:

Yeah, I think this is going to have to be Work and not "work." With paystubs, provable hours and a boss who isn't named Duggar. Also, would his employment be limited because of the type of crime? Would he be allowed to work at Target during the day where there are children in and out all day long? I guess that will be sorted out. He has very few skills since I doubt he did anything at FRC (yeah I've seen the reddit post that said no.) Chain stores, at least where I am are hiring but with so many small businesses going out of business, those jobs are filling up. I know AK had been open more than the North East where I am, but, still, there are a lot of people all over out of work and looking. Who are you going to hire, a newly out of work guy because of COVID or Josh?  

Can you link the reddit post? Josh is a lazy person. He has no desire to do anything. I'll be embarrassed if I was Jimchelle. Your oldest son is a lazy deadbeat. Josh has always had things handed to him. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by Darknight

[Darknight]

3 hours ago, Oldernowiser said:

I agree...just not having internet access until July will make him BSC. He doesn’t have a job, I doubt very much he has any hobby that isn’t illegal or a probation violation, and he’s in some stranger’s house 24/7. 
He’s going to have to sit on their sofa, eat junk food and watch basic cable until his trial.
Actually, he might be much happier.
 

Wasn't he doing this anyway? He never had a real job. Anna cooks, clean, raises the kids. She homeschool too. He does not do anything. Even male animals in the animal kingdom have jobs and help out. Josh does nothing. 

[xtwheeler]

24 minutes ago, Zella said:

My comments on this have absolutely nothing to do with what he was just charged with. As I already said, the context of my comment was talking about in 2015.

At that point, he had not been charged with a crime. My original comment was saying if Josh had really wanted out, he could have done that in 2015. And people were saying how would he have funded it, and I said between scandals, he probably could have cashed in on a tell-all about his childhood. I didn't say any of the things that you seem to be assuming, and I don't see how a Son of Sam law to that would apply since he was never charged for the molestations, and even if he had, he could have still spun a tell-all that primarily just talked about how shitty his parents were.

I'm sorry I responded in haste, and was trying to communicate that I knew I was missing pieces of what you were trying to say. I apologize again that I didn't understand your comment, nor the many nuances. My anaesthesia is still wearing off, and I'm absolutely not at my best right now. I apologize I didn't understand. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, xtwheeler said:

I'm sorry I responded in haste, and was trying to communicate that I knew I was missing pieces of what you were trying to say. I apologize again that I didn't understand your comment, nor the many nuances. My anaesthesia is still wearing off, and I'm absolutely not at my best right now. I apologize I didn't understand. 

No worries! :)

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Wasn't he doing this anyway? He never had a real job. Anna cooks, clean, raises the kids. She homeschool too. He does not do anything. Even male animals in the animal kingdom have jobs and help out. Josh does nothing. 

If Smuggar lays about expecting Maria to wait on him, I hope he has another thing coming. 

[hathorlive]

4 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Homeland Security is also involved in cyber security.  Since Josh downloaded illegal images from the internet, it fell under their jurisdiction to investigate.

Homeland has ALL the money.  I would kill for 1/3 of the toys they get.  As part of crime fighting, Homeland funds all sorts of taskforces that enable local and state law enforcement to develop better skill sets.  They provide training and equipment so they can conduct investigations at their local levels.  For example, my forensic computer cost about 10,000.  The software that runs my forensic programs costs about another 20 to 40K a year.  Most local police departments can't afford that.  When you join the taskforce, you often get training, equipment and software.  We were on a dark web training class a few years ago funded by Homeland.  

[Darknight]

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

If Smuggar lays about expecting Maria to wait on him, I hope he has another thing coming. 

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

[Darknight]

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I know opinions vary on Anna, but I've lost all sympathy at this point. The fact that she went with Joshley to turn himself in is yet another example of her choosing her husband over her children. 

People will make excuses that she's brainwashed, another victim, trapped in the cult, etc., but to me she's no different than the countless "real world" women who allow boyfriends/husbands to get away with abuse because they can't imagine life without a man. I'm done with her. The only ones I feel sorry for are the kids.

These people are prolife but can't protect their own kids. So much for being prolife Anna. 

[mythoughtis]

7 hours ago, Namaste said:

I’m not sure it’s related to Josh’s trouble. Sounds like he just has a story to tell about something else?

Could be complete BS too. 

Maybe he’s talking about one of Anna’s brothers? 

[emmawoodhouse]

23 minutes ago, Darknight said:

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

[Darknight]

12 hours ago, Kellyee said:

While Josh is horrible, I doubt CPS will yank the kids from Anna unless they find evidence that Josh abused them. Foster care is no walk in the park. Kids are molested and killed in foster care on a regular basis. They really are safer with their family (except Josh).

 

 

 

CPS will most likely not remove the kids. They have little staff, a lot of kids they can't find homes for, and it is traumatic to remove a child away from their birth parents. Yes even bad parents. On top of this the kids would be split up. The oldest M kid is 11 going on 12. She's old in the foster care system and might end up in a group home away from her siblings. 

 

Yes, sadly foster care isn't perfect either. There are kids who die and are abused in foster care. Statistics show foster kids are 10x more likely to be abused. 

 

I'm a foster and adoptive parent. It takes a lot to remove a kid. In recent years laws were passed to keep kids with their families. So even if Anna didn't have the kids, CPS will look for extended family. I mean Jimchelle got Tyler. The M kids would be placed with Jimchelle or Anna's family. So they're stuck. I really hope Josh gets the maximum. I hope therapy real therapy is given to the kids. 

 

 

[Darknight]

3 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

As a headship, he's supposed to financially support his family. I don't know what kind of diligent work (® Anna) he's been doing since the car lot was shut down.

That too. WTF. Isn't the man suppose to support his family not mommy and daddy. It says that in Gothard Bible. Man supports family. I guess they follow the Bible and Gothard when they want to oppress women 

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, Boston said:

I worded that the wrong way and am so sorry if I offended you.  mea culpa.. My anger got over the nice in me

I wrote this wrong.  sorry about that.

Again, i am very sorry.. i wrote this wrong.. 

Thank  you so much!  It happens.

[3 is enough]

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

[Tigregirl]

I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again.  Probably nothing about keeping themselves safe, how as parents they will do anything to protect them (we all know that doesn’t happen), that they will help them get counseling if they want it, etc.  Those two are just plain horrible parents.

[Cinnabon]

57 minutes ago, Darknight said:

These people are prolife but can't protect their own kids. So much for being prolife Anna. 

They are pro BIRTH only, not all all pro life.

[emmawoodhouse]

From the picture of the Rebers in their treeless front yard, it appears to be a pretty desolate landscape. They're probably miles from the nearest fast food joint.

[Cinnabon]

48 minutes ago, Darknight said:

CPS will most likely not remove the kids. They have little staff, a lot of kids they can't find homes for, and it is traumatic to remove a child away from their birth parents. Yes even bad parents. On top of this the kids would be split up. The oldest M kid is 11 going on 12. She's old in the foster care system and might end up in a group home away from her siblings. 

 

Yes, sadly foster care isn't perfect either. There are kids who die and are abused in foster care. Statistics show foster kids are 10x more likely to be abused. 

 

I'm a foster and adoptive parent. It takes a lot to remove a kid. In recent years laws were passed to keep kids with their families. So even if Anna didn't have the kids, CPS will look for extended family. I mean Jimchelle got Tyler. The M kids would be placed with Jimchelle or Anna's family. So they're stuck. I really hope Josh gets the maximum. I hope therapy real therapy is given to the kids. 

 

 

They probably wouldn’t remove the kids, but if they did, they would undoubtedly go to live with family members , not unknown foster parents.

9 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

If he has some money, he could just have it delivered.

4 minutes ago, Tigregirl said:

I would love to know what Boob and Mullet are telling the Lost Girls and Howlers still living at home about why Smuggar is in trouble.  I’m sure it’s very warped and all about satan leading Josh astray but they’ll all pray he finds Jesus again.  Probably nothing about keeping themselves safe, how as parents they will do anything to protect them (we all know that doesn’t happen), that they will help them get counseling if they want it, etc.  Those two are just plain horrible parents.

Thoughts and prayers ! 🤮

[Zella]

7 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

I wonder if the Reber’s live within walking distance of any fast food places?  I can totally see Smuggar quietly slipping out in search of Chick-Fil-A and getting shipped back to jail.

I just went a sleuthing, and it looks like they might actually live in Goshen, which is east of Fayetteville. I have to drive through there to go to Fayetteville myself, and it's a weird place. There's not much of a town, but there are shitloads of the world's ugliest McMansions. The people who work at the gas station are nice. LOL

The city limits also stretch waaaaaay past what any sane person would consider the city limits. Like, you see the town signs for Goshen and then drive quite a ways before you see the actual town on both sides. This never fails to amuse me and my grandfather when I drive him to doctor's appointments in Fayetteville. One of us blurts out "It's the Land of Goshen!" and then we both start cackling every time. 

The TLDR is I can't see Josh being able to walk to town very conveniently if they are where I think they are. 

5 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

From the picture of the Rebers in their treeless front yard, it appears to be a pretty desolate landscape. They're probably miles from the nearest fast food joint.

If they're in Goshen, I can't think of a chain restaurant there. I mean, there might be one, but I have never actually noticed it driving through. There's a Dollar General! And maybe a couple of locally owned restaurants. 

[Tabbygirl521]

1 hour ago, Darknight said:

Isn't is sad a grown ass man can't cook or do anything for himself but he's headship. 

the men depend on the women to do all the hard work as well as keeping the men from sexual misconduct. But yeah, the men deserve to be running everything. 

[Cinnabon]

I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

I REALLY hope Mrs. Rebel does not cook for Josh. He can order in or cook for,himself.

[emmawoodhouse]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

Yeah, that was mentioned in the article I linked this morning. They met through the Freedomists. 

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, that was mentioned in the article I linked this morning. They met through the Freedomists. 

Ugh!

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Ugh!

I know! Austin was also in the wedding, and we know he's a dedicated Freedomist as well. 

[Temperance]

11 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I read on fb that Jer, Jed, and Austin were recently in the Reber’s son’s wedding.

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Temperance

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

Wait a minute--is that the stupid wedding that was on the other side of the state that they attended during a pandemic?! I was wondering why in the world that last name sounded weirdly familiar. Now it makes sense. 

[Temperance]

6 minutes ago, Zella said:

Wait a minute--is that the stupid wedding that was on the other side of the state that they attended during a pandemic?! I was wondering why in the world that last name sounded weirdly familiar. Now it makes sense. 

Yes, that's them!

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Temperance said:

Yes, that's them!

Thank you! My brain can rest easy now. Yesterday, I was driving myself bonkers wondering about that last name. At first, I thought it was the person who owns Josiah's house, but it wasn't, and the names aren't even close. So, I was having an existential crisis trying to piece together if the name was familiar or if it was just part of my diseased imagination that it even seemed remotely familiar. 

[emmawoodhouse]

Oh,  THAT wedding! The fundie world is so small. 

The bride looks like his mother.

[Arkay]

5 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Mrs. Reber is Asian? Josh won't like her. I'll never forget what assfaces the Duggars were in Japan.

Complete speculation on my part. Mrs. Reber does appear to be Asian, and I’m wondering if perhaps she is Filipina? Unless Maria is an Anglicization of an Asian name, a Latin name like Maria suggests a Philippine heritage. The Philippine culture is very community and hospitality oriented. For Mrs. Raber to have expressed reluctance in court, she must so deeply not wish this burden to be thrust upon her.

Again, mere speculation on my part and irrelevant anyway, since she is stuck having to accept this role regardless of her heritage.
 

I feel terrible for her, having her own life in upheaval now due to Josh’s actions. Everyone pays the price but him. 

[Tdoc72]

29 minutes ago, Temperance said:

I actually posted about at the time. Lemuel Reber got married last year. Some of you might remember these people.

I remember that discussion. Did anyone ever find out what her super special bridal entrance was?

[JocelynCavanaugh]

Just looking at Goshen on Google Maps, it seems like a lovely place with some scenic sites and plenty of churches. There’s a Walmart, McDonald’s, and Subway in town, but the nearest Chick-fil-a is 13 miles west in Fayetteville. 

I’ve seen conflicting reports on whether Josh is free to leave or be alone without the chaperone people. It may be that he can come and go without them, as long as he doesn’t violate the other terms of where he can be. I wonder if a fast food drive-thru would count. Maybe not, since they often hire minors depending on the legal working age in the state. Even if he steered clear of the ball pit, no 16-year-old girl should have to tell him “my pleasure” when he grabs the vanilla shake and two combo meals from her. (You just know he’s the vanilla shake type.)

[BitterApple]

If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by BitterApple

[Zella]

1 minute ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

There’s a Walmart,

There is not a Wal-Mart in Goshen. I have never seen the McDonald's or Subway either. Are you looking at Goshen, AR, or a Goshen in another state?

[JocelynCavanaugh]

Just now, Zella said:

There is not a Wal-Mart in Goshen. I have never seen the McDonald's or Subway either. Are you looking at Goshen, AR, or a Goshen in another state?

I’m looking at Arkansas. Those sites showed up in the highlighted area on the map that usually indicates a town when I searched “Goshen AR”. Maybe Google got it mixed up? IDK, just reporting what I found in about 2 minutes of research. 

[Zella]

Just now, JocelynCavanaugh said:

I’m looking at Arkansas. Those sites showed up in the highlighted area on the map that usually indicates a town when I searched “Goshen AR”. Maybe Google got it mixed up? IDK, just reporting what I found in about 2 minutes of research. 

I've literally driven through the town dozens of times. Whatever you're looking at is not correct. 

[JocelynCavanaugh]

Just now, Zella said:

I've literally driven through the town dozens of times. Whatever you're looking at is not correct. 

Yes, you made that very clear. Fortunately I was just rambling about Josh’s hypothetical access to fast food, so it’s not important and we definitely don’t need to explore the topic further. I recognize and salute your superior knowledge of that particular corner of Arkansas!

[theironwoman]

14 minutes ago, Arkay said:

I feel terrible for her, having her own life in upheaval now due to Josh’s actions. Everyone pays the price but him. 

Josh has been nothing but a destructive force, menace, and burden on everyone around him for most of his life now. I still think that the kindest, most compassionate thing to do for all involved would have been to have him stay in prison and let Josh be Josh's own problem for once in his pathetic life.

[Arkay]

4 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

If Mrs. Reber is Filipina, it's even more horrible given the nature of the particular file Josh downloaded. When the guy who created the imagery was prosecuted, it was a huge case over there. Wow. Her husband is a total asshole for allowing this.

Is that the case that I read on another website, which is referred to for the child’s privacy as the “D.D tape?” I could only bring myself to skim through it as it was too awful, but I did see that there was one main guy who created or distributed that content and was arrested. I didn’t pay close enough attention so I didn’t realize any of this emanated from the Philippines. No matter where or from whom it originated, it was really too much for me to read carefully. I just don’t want to believe this stuff exists on earth. 

 

[Quilt Fairy]

Does the GPS monitoring requirement in the judge's order mean that Josh will be wearing an ankle bracelet?