tvehemently December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 So, if Josh is addicted to porn, maybe if Anna watched it with him it could be redirected into "together time". She could also maybe wear little school girl outfits and help redirect some of his other predilections (should I say "past predilections"?) into more constructive and relationship building activities for their marriage. Heck, who knows? Maybe he doesn't need a church-based counseling solution and just a wife willing to get freaky with him? Link to comment
dillpickles December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 So, if Josh is addicted to porn, maybe if Anna watched it with him it could be redirected into "together time". She could also maybe wear little school girl outfits and help redirect some of his other predilections (should I say "past predilections"?) into more constructive and relationship building activities for their marriage. Heck, who knows? Maybe he doesn't need a church-based counseling solution and just a wife willing to get freaky with him? But if Anna watches porn with Josh, wouldn't she become defrauded by the man bits? Or is it okay because Josh can righteously fulfill her? 3 Link to comment
Tabbygirl521 December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 I think from here on out, I want to see Josh fulfilling all of Anna's fantasies and requirements, and not the opposite. I would have him on a dog leash if I were Anna. 4 Link to comment
tvehemently December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 But if Anna watches porn with Josh, wouldn't she become defrauded by the man bits? Or is it okay because Josh can righteously fulfill her? Man bits? Righteously Fufill? I wonder if that's like pillow talk for them. If so, I think I can see the problem: "Oh Josh, I just love your man bits!" "Come here baby, let me righteously fulfill you - but only with the intent of creating a blessed life of course." Yep. Steamy. 6 Link to comment
awaken December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 I doubt Gothard permits married women to talk of sexual issues with unmarried ones. So that leaves MEchelle, Sierra, Prissy, and her mother as confidants. Not a stellar bunch there, to be sure. Yes, exactly. Not much in-the-trenches guidance and support there :( I imagine of those choices, Sierra may have something semi-helpful to add, from knowledge from her past life? 1 Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) According to Sierra herself, her "wild child" period lasted all of one community college semester. At the community college where I work, a semester is 16 weeks. I really doubt there was a ton of "sin" for Mark the Savior to pull her out of. Aside from evil secondary education, that is. She still can't write her way out of a paper bag; she abuses the comma like no one's business. I really don't know how much real life advice she could give to Anna, since all she would say is how BAD life on the outside is and how grateful she is that she was saved. IOW, I imagine that she's now the BIGGEST of the kook-aid drinkers. It would have been great if she had befriended some non-fundie Christians in DC, but she just can't seem to step out of her cult at all, which indicates a deep distrust for people not like herself. Her inability to do this is one of the main reasons I knew that she'd never leave her marriage, and won't even if Smuggar continues to cheat. Smuggar has all the platitudes down cold, and Anna will suck it all up because it's what she wants to hear. She believed he was saved once, I don't see that changing this time at the rodeo. I would pity her if I didn't know that she knew *something* (still not clear exactly what) about the molestations and still married the fucker. Blame also extends to Pa Keller for allowing the courtship at all, but Anna said in the engagement episode that she could have said no. Her sisters would have been her confidants then, but who knows what Anna told them about Smug's past. They could have talked her out of it, but they obviously supported it. Anna went on with the courtship, etc., and there ends my sympathy for her. Edited December 24, 2015 by Sew Sumi 8 Link to comment
MyPeopleAreNordic December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 I think Josh felt trapped by marrying young and wanted to do the kind of sleeping around most guys do in college and their early 20s. I don't think it would have mattered if Anna was a dead fish in bed or had the skills of a high priced call girl, Josh would have cheated either way. The worst part about it is I can see Anna reacting as most women do and thinking her husband was unfaithful because she wasn't pretty enough or thin enough or whatever. I don't think she has anyone with whom she can share her true feelings. I know she's close with Jana, but that's a Gothard-y kind of close, not a true blue bestie kind of close. She must feel very alone. I agree. The cheating has nothing to do with Anna. It was all about Josh just wanting some strange. 10 Link to comment
HypatiaManque December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 So, if Josh is addicted to porn, maybe if Anna watched it with him it could be redirected into "together time". She could also maybe wear little school girl outfits and help redirect some of his other predilections (should I say "past predilections"?) into more constructive and relationship building activities for their marriage. Heck, who knows? Maybe he doesn't need a church-based counseling solution and just a wife willing to get freaky with him? In his OKCupid profile, to the survey question, "Do you feel there are any circumstances in which a person is obligated to have sex with you," Josh answered "Yes." No, I do not think the participation of an assuredly disgusted Anna in his porn escapades will resolve anything. 10 Link to comment
operakatz December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) And not just a bloated corpse but, I would bet big money, a bloated corpse who has absolutely no interest in his partner's pleasure, let alone her emotions. He's an utter selfish bastard and a lazy but arrogant oaf who may never have read a book and may never even have watched a movie that wasn't sneaked porn. And he's never looked very comfortable in his own skin either, to me, at least. As far as I know, such men tend to make very very crappy lovers. So ... no contest, as far as I'm concerned. Also factor in both their upbringings which excluded any meaningful sex-ed. They don't have circles of friends made up of external peers so no guy-talk/gal-talk to share experiences/information. Josh has no experience in terms of his upbringing that would make his partner's pleasure of any importance and Anna's upbringing very likely never mentioned female orgasm. When the focus/purpose of sex is merely procreation-only, pleasure isn't a factor. Which is yet another reason to be sad for this entire generation M&JB have brought into the world. Edited December 24, 2015 by operakatz 6 Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 In his OKCupid profile, to the survey question, "Do you feel there are any circumstances in which a person is obligated to have sex with you," Josh answered "Yes." No, I do not think the participation of an assuredly disgusted Anna in his porn escapades will resolve anything. This question told me all about Joshua James Duggar that I needed to know. I don't pity Anna, but let's face it, she was the victim of marital rape. I imagine, in Smuggar's mind, there were times when she didn't appear to be joyfully available for him. I would venture to say many of those times were even as far as back as the car lot days when he was posting to social media in the wee hours when Anna and whatever M kids there were at the time had been asleep for hours. He watches some porn and wakes up Anna up out of a dead sleep for some "sweet fellowship." He got to saunter into the car lot around noon, but Anna had to be up with the kid(s). That's why I raged when Mechelle published that "joyfully available" crap. She stuck by her golden boy, rather than stick up for someone who was in her rather unenviable position of young mother who has a husband with an overactive libido. Who, in Smuggar's case, added to fantasy by watching porn. In terms of marital sex, Smuggar and Anna have been on different playing fields for years. And I seriously doubt that Smuggar will allow Anna to learn about her own pleasure, because that would force Smuggar to actually have to GIVE something, and that's not a position in which he is accustomed to being. Like father, like son. 17 Link to comment
GeeGolly December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 What it comes down to is Josh cheated, Anna didn't. 13 Link to comment
greenturtle36 December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 It's horrible. HORRIBLE. To be married to a porn addict. He never wanted sex when I was actually awake to give it to him. He wanted nothing to do with me all evening long, then after staying up until 2:00 am surfing porn, then he decided it was time to drop his rocks, and I was not gonna go back to sleep till he got what he wanted. So, no, I didn't act like I wanted it-- at all. "Ya see? That's why I have to cheat. You don't even like sex." So yeah, unfortunately, watching porn with him wouldn't have worked. 10 Link to comment
Missy Vixen December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Heck, who knows? Maybe he doesn't need a church-based counseling solution and just a wife willing to get freaky with him? Why should Anna "get freaky" with a confessed child molester in the first place? She has the right to her own sexuality and the free expression of it as well. Perhaps she did not want to be the porn star of Joshley Madison's every fantasy. Considering the fact he seems to enjoy things a bit rough, perhaps she didn't want to get the hell beaten out of her a few nights a week so Joshley could get his rocks off. Maybe her fantasy is to be married to a man who loves and respects her enough to NOT go searching for extramarital pussy while she gave him four kids in what -- six years? There are two parties here. If Joshley decided to change the rules on her re: their sex life, let him be man enough to file for divorce and pay adequate child support and alimony so he can "get freaky" with someone else. 22 Link to comment
Tabbygirl521 December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Why should Anna "get freaky" with a confessed child molester in the first place? She has the right to her own sexuality and the free expression of it as well. Perhaps she did not want to be the porn star of Joshley Madison's every fantasy. Considering the fact he seems to enjoy things a bit rough, perhaps she didn't want to get the hell beaten out of her a few nights a week so Joshley could get his rocks off. Maybe her fantasy is to be married to a man who loves and respects her enough to NOT go searching for extramarital pussy while she gave him four kids in what -- six years? There are two parties here. If Joshley decided to change the rules on her re: their sex life, let him be man enough to file for divorce and pay adequate child support and alimony so he can "get freaky" with someone else. ****APPLAUSE***** 6 Link to comment
Marigold December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) You know what grosses me out about Josh? He cheated with a sex worker or porn star or whatever her occupation was at the time. Didn't use a condom. Most likely had sex with Anna when she was pregnant and didn't use a condom. What if he gave her a disease WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT??? Yuck X 1,000,000 = Josh Edited December 24, 2015 by Marigold 9 Link to comment
Churchhoney December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) You know what grosses me out about Josh? He cheated with a sex worker or porn star or whatever her occupation was at the time. Didn't use a condom. Most likely had sex with Anna when she was pregnant and didn't use a condom. What if he gave her a disease WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT??? Yuck X 1,000,000 = Josh He's not just a huge jerk. He's a huge stupid jerk. Because I really doubt that this would have been his intention, conscious or subliminal. He's a big loser on every level. But of course they pretty much all are. Edited December 24, 2015 by Churchhoney 6 Link to comment
tvehemently December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 Why should Anna "get freaky" with a confessed child molester in the first place? She has the right to her own sexuality and the free expression of it as well. Perhaps she did not want to be the porn star of Joshley Madison's every fantasy. I'm pretty sure I didn't suggest Anna "should" do anything. I only suggested that possibly Josh might do better with someone who's interests align more with his own (excluding the child molestation of course, I mean, I suppose he could always look into converting to the Catholic priesthood. . .). There are all kinds, including men and women who are o.k. with being rough with one another. Not my thing, but it's out there along with a whole gamut of other variations. Being the porn star of my spouse's fantasies sounds pretty good to me. But maybe that's my own personal freakiness showing. 2 Link to comment
Marigold December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) I doubt this has anything to do with Anna. Sex with Anna might have been just fine and very loving. I do believe Josh and Anna love eachtother. I think this has to do with Josh and his need to be naughty, rebellious and rough with women. Mix in mental health issues too. Edited December 24, 2015 by Marigold 11 Link to comment
Chalby December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 P.S. Nice big screen TV at 1:18 I have a feeling all the Duggars have submitted to the lure of TV and internet. How else can they convince people to watch if they won't watch themselves? 5 Link to comment
Chalby December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 (edited) "Ya see? That's why I have to cheat. You don't even like sex." So yeah, unfortunately, watching porn with him wouldn't have worked. This just reminds me that any husband who manipulates being caught viewing porn as an offence initiated by the wife's disinterest, or unavailability, or unwillingness to be more like a porn star is a selfish, sexually unappealing loser who does not deserve to have the company of a wife. I do believe Josh and Anna love eachtother. I have not believed Josh and Anne were in love since they moved to DC, and she was always making comments about wanting to get pregnant while nudging Josh. As well, he always looked annoyed, or indifferent to any affection she offered. Edited December 24, 2015 by Chalby 7 Link to comment
Brooklynista December 24, 2015 Share December 24, 2015 I have a feeling all the Duggars have submitted to the lure of TV and internet. How else can they convince people to watch if they won't watch themselves? This right here!. I have always felt Jim Bob sits in some secret screening room going over episodes deciding what can be done better. To keep the train going. "Look Momma, right here you could gaze at me harder" "See right here Jessa, that comment was a touch too bitchy" "Josh! Your perv flag almost slipped right there!" We have to tighten up around here people!! 7 Link to comment
MarysWetBar December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 Anna isn't his type. She's twenty years too old for his liking. 6 Link to comment
Darknight December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 You know what grosses me out about Josh? He cheated with a sex worker or porn star or whatever her occupation was at the time. Didn't use a condom. Most likely had sex with Anna when she was pregnant and didn't use a condom. What if he gave her a disease WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT??? Yuck X 1,000,000 = Josh That only happens to sinners. Gays and unmarried people 2 Link to comment
Ljohnson1987 December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 I bet Smugs found a way home for Christmas, and GrandDuggar 5.0 shall be conceived on his visit. 1 Link to comment
louannems December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 I bet Smugs found a way home for Christmas, and GrandDuggar 5.0 shall be conceived on his visit. Ooooh God. Please No More Babies! 5 Link to comment
Wellfleet December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 I have a feeling all the Duggars have submitted to the lure of TV and internet. How else can they convince people to watch if they won't watch themselves? I'm almost positive the Duggars watch commercial TV, perhaps all they want of it. Their speech patterns include words and phrases that they just wouldn't know otherwise, at least not IMO. While the kids are far from sounding like "normal" American teens and 20-somethings, it just doesn't seem likely that the Duggar kids would know the language I hear them using from time to time, without being somewhat attuned to popular culture. And we know they're not hanging out at McDonald's, the library or the mall. My theory is that, despite what they say, they are - and have been - watching TV. 7 Link to comment
greenturtle36 December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 "I only suggested that possibly Josh might do better with someone who's interests align more with his own" This goes way beyond just wanting more interesting sex. Sex addicts can't be satisfied, regardless. Less than 48 hours after I finally left my husband, he was already cheating on his new mistress, who he swore up and down he would never cheat on because SHE knows how to satisfy a man and SHE is more adventurous in bed... by the time she caught him, 2 months later, there were about 6 or 7 other women... "any husband who manipulates being caught viewing porn as an offence initiated by the wife's disinterest, or unavailability, or unwillingness to be more like a porn star is a selfish, sexually unappealing loser who does not deserve to have the company of a wife." yyyyyyyyyyyyyup. He told me when we first got together that he absolutely does not look at porn anymore (snort), but of course when he was married to his previous wife, he HAD TO because she was never interested in him (snort). That's what he told his mistress before I left him... that he HAS TO because of me, but of course he won't do it anymore because, you know, SHE doesn't like porn in her home... Snort, then she better stay far away from Jeff. Yep, that's his real name, I've been saying "Josh" in quotes all this time because it's a comparison to shitbag Duggar. But his name's Jeff. "I have not believed Josh and Anne were in love since they moved to DC, and she was always making comments about wanting to get pregnant while nudging Josh. As well, he always looked annoyed, or indifferent to any affection she offered." I'm not sure they were ever really in love with each other... it was, after all, an arranged marriage. They were in love with the idea of getting married and being able to have sex legally. They didn't even know each other. Females aren't even human to him; they are objects to serve him. Period. "What if he gave her a disease WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT???" douchebro doesn't give a fuck about her OR his kids, and his behavior proves that. 8 Link to comment
Marigold December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 I have not believed Josh and Anne were in love since they moved to DC, and she was always making comments about wanting to get pregnant while nudging Josh. As well, he always looked annoyed, or indifferent to any affection she offered. That could be. Knowing what we know now, Josh was very aloof and detached from Anna. Anna was almost frantic to have another baby, obviously trying to hold on tighter to Josh. Once Josh got to DC, i think his "issues" totally took over. You can be who you want to be in a large city like DC with many different freaky things available. In Tonitown or wherever they lived, everyone knew him and things weren't so easy for him to find. DC musta been sexually thrilling for Josh. No wonder he always looked exhausted. That episode where Anna surprises him with the positive pregnancy test...Josh looked almost hung over. 11 Link to comment
Kiss my mutt December 25, 2015 Share December 25, 2015 How awful will it be when his kids are old enough to know what a scumbag their dad is. If that's not enough to give him pause and think about his actions, I don't think anything is. 10 Link to comment
Fuzzysox December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 I bet Smugs found a way home for Christmas, and GrandDuggar 5.0 shall be conceived on his visit. How special, neat and just special!! Then they will start the redemption tour as soon as him stint in Jesus jail is over. Josh will tell his leghumpers how the love of Jesus has cured his sinning heart. Anna will sit proudly on stage with her baby bump high for everyone to see what a perfectly sweet, caring, loving, obedient, martyr wife she is. She will get lots of adoration and Josh will be healed and the $$$$$$$$ will come pouring in. *in Boob's dreams* 12 Link to comment
Churchhoney December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 How awful will it be when his kids are old enough to know what a scumbag their dad is. If that's not enough to give him pause and think about his actions, I don't think anything is. I expect Josh is really really good at compartmentalizing. 12 Link to comment
kokapetl December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 Amy's Instagram Christmas present to the Duggars. I think I saw Josh walk past the fridge. Link to comment
GeeGolly December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 Amy's Instagram Christmas present to the Duggars. I think I saw Josh walk past the fridge. So when did he go in? August? So technically he'd be out early. Or maybe they get a pass for Christmas. One of the tabloids said the Dugg plane was spotted near the rehab. Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 No, the plane was in Rockford for about 24 hours, indicating that Anna probably got a Christmas visit up there. It coincides with RU's weekend visit policy, for the most part. I'm sure RU made an exception for Christmas Eve this year, as long as people got out by today. 1 Link to comment
Joe Jitsu913 December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 Amy's Instagram Christmas present to the Duggars. I think I saw Josh walk past the fridge. Wow, it takes very little to entertain this crowd. 5 Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 It says a lot that these people had never heard of Jenga before this. 4 Link to comment
Just24 December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 Amy's Instagram Christmas present to the Duggars. I think I saw Josh walk past the fridge. I thought that was John David. Link to comment
whydoiwatch December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 If Anna visited Josh, we can start the countdown for the next M announcement. 2 Link to comment
BitterApple December 26, 2015 Share December 26, 2015 If Anna visited Josh, we can start the countdown for the next M announcement. Gag me with a spoon. 3 Link to comment
JoanArc December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 I thought that was John David. I paused it. 99% certain it'd JD. If Anna visited Josh, we can start the countdown for the next M announcement. I'm sure Jim Bpb ordered her to go get inseminated. I hope he called her by rehab girlfriends name. 2 Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 If it was JD, that had to be from fairly late last night. I think the plane arrived back from RU around 9pm Christmas night. Then again, the Duggars are night people, and Famy had a full day beforehand what with the bow-wrapped car and hanging with the King side of her family. She posted the pics with Ashley and Jenga-playing around 2am her time, and you can see it was nighttime in the picture with Ashley, so this is entirely possible that JD and Anna had returned from their sojurn up north. 1 Link to comment
Arwen Evenstar December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 I'm almost positive the Duggars watch commercial TV, perhaps all they want of it. Their speech patterns include words and phrases that they just wouldn't know otherwise, at least not IMO. While the kids are far from sounding like "normal" American teens and 20-somethings, it just doesn't seem likely that the Duggar kids would know the language I hear them using from time to time, without being somewhat attuned to popular culture. And we know they're not hanging out at McDonald's, the library or the mall. My theory is that, despite what they say, they are - and have been - watching TV. These days kids don't need TV when they have the internet. There's likely enough Duggar approved content on YouTube and whatnot to give them a peek at pop culture. There's plenty of wholesome Christian approved programming out there on TV stations they can stream so that said...the last of most wholesome programing seemed to occur circa the 80's....hence...like...totally....awesome!!!! 6 Link to comment
Sew Sumi December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 New Meredith pics. Jenni Hartono had confirmed to Sierra that she'd be there around Christmas (and she posted a pic of Edyn), so these likely came from last night's party at the Compound. https://www.instagram.com/p/_yRfJEi8x9/?taken-by=jennishartono I wonder at Jana always being pictured with the baby. I know they showed Anna dressing and carrying her, but is she otherwise disassociating? Or is she nursing and doing a Mechelle by letting her kids "play" (her word) downstairs? I do feel for her fragile state, but she claims she went in eyes wide open, although I bet she found out that was a lie, but couldn't admit that or her entire married life would be a lie. Which, in retrospect, it was. 4 Link to comment
BitterApple December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 Based on what I saw of Anna last week, she's barely holding on to the last thread of her sanity. I agree it's odd that Mere is always with Joy and Jana. It could be that they're avoiding posting pics of Anna because it will lead to an onslaught of nasty comments about Josh, but it wouldn't surprise me if Anna had trouble bonding considering this kid was born in the middle of a shitstorm. 8 Link to comment
Fuzzysox December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 No, the plane was in Rockford for about 24 hours, indicating that Anna probably got a Christmas visit up there. It coincides with RU's weekend visit policy, for the most part. I'm sure RU made an exception for Christmas Eve this year, as long as people got out by today. I'm sure Anna didn't think twice visiting Josh in Jesus prison since she was raised on her dad's prison ministry. 1 Link to comment
Arwen Evenstar December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 (edited) Fuzzysox, I totally agree. Anna's work and her father's work with prison ministry taught Anna about a good many things that people are capable of....so I imagine Josh's revelations about his adolescent behavior may have paled in comparison to things she and her dad already heard. After all, they're in"the redemption business" and they saw many conversionss and transformed lives via the love and forgiveness of Christ. So WHY would Anna NOT believe Josh who was Fundy royalty and already "raised in the faith" if he said he was well and made whole. I doubt the Duggarvand Keller children questioned parental or pastoral authority much. I'm a Christian too, but I know that you can still forgive but nit be a doormat. Forgiveness towards others sets you free spirutually. It's a gift you give yourself....but it doesn't mean you keep people who transgressed you in your life or if you still choose to at the same level of trust as before. When I heard of Anna's intent to remain with Josh, I was floored. I told Mr Evenstar that she was either coerced by Boob for the cameras, she's a complete and utter doormat and a fool, or she's a better person than any of us. Smuggar does not deserve Anna at all...that smug slug.....she's a far better woman than he'll ever deserve. She'll take the blame for his straying because sheI'll believe she's not fun in bed, not that she even was allowed to know anything about sex in that cult of purity or that she had any right to her own body or her own pleasure. If he screws up again after she's extended her grace yet again, I hope she's finally got the sense to cut him loose. Mr E and I both know such shenanigans would have ended our marriage and that would have also been the last straw for most couples. Edited December 27, 2015 by Arwen Evenstar 15 Link to comment
leighdear December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 but it wouldn't surprise me if Anna had trouble bonding considering this kid was born in the middle of a shitstorm. And sadly,none of them would ever see that disconnect for what it is and why it happened. All that psychological-type stuff is hard to understand, y'all! They are all to idiotic to figure it out. And yet another child will suffer..... 7 Link to comment
Tunia December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 New Meredith pics. Jenni Hartono had confirmed to Sierra that she'd be there around Christmas (and she posted a pic of Edyn), so these likely came from last night's party at the Compound. https://www.instagra...y=jennishartono With all the pics this family takes, do you think they'll someday learn to clear the background first to get rid of laundry baskets, trash cans, etc.? 6 Link to comment
toodles December 27, 2015 Share December 27, 2015 You know what grosses me out about Josh?He cheated with a sex worker or porn star or whatever her occupation was at the time.Didn't use a condom.Most likely had sex with Anna when she was pregnant and didn't use a condom.What if he gave her a disease WHILE SHE WAS PREGNANT???Yuck X 1,000,000 = Josh Among other things I'm sure. Link to comment
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