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Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

Chris Knight

By Chris Knight
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Churchhoney

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21 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

God is using you both in your ministry to bless others...Where do they come out with this stuff. Who have they blessed besides themselves especially Jeremy.

They've blessed us -- and pretty much every one else in existence -- simply by existing and not wearing an invisibility cloak. 

That seems to be Meeechelle's opinion, at any rate. 

Not feeling blessed by them? if not, it's our own dang fault! 

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laurakaye

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Okay, I found the lil' Instagram video of Spurgeon finding his new yellow ball pretty adorbs.  And the photo of Bin and Spurge playing outside with the ball was super cute, too.

It seems that Ben and Jessa have a pretty good handle on parenthood, but it makes me sad because I'm pretty sure Izzy isn't having the same experiences with his wack-job parents.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

23 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

You took the words right out of my mouth!  

That's a hopeful sign, I think.  Little S. Elliot is a rebel in the making :)

 

23 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

You took the words right out of my mouth!  

That's a hopeful sign, I think.  Little S. Elliot is a rebel in the making :)

I'd  love to see him as a leftie, since they do seem to generally be the coolest people, but I don't see where you are getting it. Did I miss another video/batch of photos somewhere? In this last bunch, the only thing I see him doing that involves his hands is patting Henry, and I think he's doing that with his right hand. (I say I "think" because I'm notorious for getting my right and left confused even, sometimes, after I have given the matter serious consideration. I might be brain-glitching here as well.)

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laurakaye

laurakaye

44 minutes ago, SMama said:

On the video with the chocolate mess Jessa gives Spurgeon a spoon and he holds it with his left hand. Heck yeah lefties are the coolest people. My daughter is one rad leftie. :)

That was a cute video, watching Spurgie take the spoon and give it a tiny taste, followed by another.  Toddlers are so cute.  And SMART (take note, Heavy D).

And lefties rock.  I love that on my mom's side of the family, we lefties outnumber the righties.  Seating us around the dinner table takes some serious logistics.

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

1 hour ago, SMama said:

On the video with the chocolate mess Jessa gives Spurgeon a spoon and he holds it with his left hand. Heck yeah lefties are the coolest people. My daughter is one rad leftie. :)

Ah, thanks. I didn't realize that one was a video as well. I always wished I was left-handed, and even tried to teach myself to write left-handed for a while (I got reasonably good at it), but eventually had to face the fact that I was a rightie. My dad was left-handed, but he was not typical...he really tended to be very conservative, straight-and-narrow type who had little use for anything he considered frivolous. My son-in-law is a leftie as well, but much more typical. He's kind of my spirit animal LOL. I wonder whether my grandbaby will be a leftie as well (four more months!) :-)

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SMama

SMama

Congratulations on the upcoming grandchild. I was born a leftie, but back in the dark ages in Catholic school they’d beat it out of you. Literally, wooden ruler to the hand when I used my left hand. It’s left me with some deficits as an adult, but not much I can do about it. People find it funny that I wear my watch on my right wrist though. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

5 minutes ago, SMama said:

Congratulations on the upcoming grandchild. I was born a leftie, but back in the dark ages in Catholic school they’d beat it out of you. Literally, wooden ruler to the hand when I used my left hand. It’s left me with some deficits as an adult, but not much I can do about it. People find it funny that I wear my watch on my right wrist though. 

Thanks :) Yeah, they beat it out of my dad as well. He did eventually end up writing with his right hand, and was fairly ambidextrous overall, but tended to default to his left for a lot of more fiddly work. 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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Mr. Sumi and I are both lefties, although we both have some ambidextrous tendencies. Hubby can start eating a meal with one hand and end with the other. He also bats and golfs righty. I cut food on my plate and use scissors right-handed, chop and other knife work lefty. 

You go eat with that left hand, Spurgie!

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ChiCricket

ChiCricket

8 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Thanks :) Yeah, they beat it out of my dad as well. He did eventually end up writing with his right hand, and was fairly ambidextrous overall, but tended to default to his left for a lot of more fiddly work. 

Same for my mom who was in a Lutheran orphanage. WTF

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bythelake

bythelake

30 minutes ago, SMama said:

Congratulations on the upcoming grandchild. I was born a leftie, but back in the dark ages in Catholic school they’d beat it out of you. Literally, wooden ruler to the hand when I used my left hand. It’s left me with some deficits as an adult, but not much I can do about it. People find it funny that I wear my watch on my right wrist though. 

I'm lefty as well. The kindergarten nun wanted to change me, but the principal was young and progressive and told her to leave me alone. I don't know whether I would have been hit, the nuns did seem to wield the ruler and rap kids on the knuckles. back in the day. My being left handed was never an issue in school after that. Sorry you had to go through that.

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MyPeopleAreNordic

MyPeopleAreNordic

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On 11/4/2017 at 10:05 PM, ariel said:

Is the woman in the middle Sierra?  If so she looks old & haggard. 

She definitely looks older than she is....BUT...no lie, I'd probably look a lot worse if I had five (soon to be six) kids by my early 20s, was a SAHM to them, home-schooled them, and had to hustle my "ministry" of event planning & chocolate strawberries to help cover the family bills....so....she looks better than I would in her shoes. 

At least Sierra *gets* to wear pants. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

28 minutes ago, Nysha said:

My stepmother's teacher tied her left hand behind her back to force her to learn to write with her right hand. Some really awful crap went on at public and private schools 50-75 years ago.

Actually, my son-in-law says that even when he was starting school, and  this would have only been 23 or 24 years ago (his family lived down in Georgia for a couple of years around that time) his public school teacher tried to force him to use his right hand as well. Thankfully the rulers to the knuckles and such were gone by then, but he says he would get yelled at all the time when they caught him writing left-handed.

DangerousMinds

DangerousMinds

On 11/6/2017 at 11:42 AM, bigskygirl said:

God is using you both in your ministry to bless others...Where do they come out with this stuff. Who have they blessed besides themselves especially Jeremy.

I guess their "ministry" consists mostly of posting posed pics of themselves on SM? How that helps others, I have no clue.

2 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

I have always thought lefties were more creative (I'm a righty.)  

Whatever else Ben may be lacking, he really does seem to genuinely have fun with his kids.  I can't see him ever calling his sons "manipulative" like his sister-in-law's stupid spouse Dilldo.  

He won't say it publicly, but has the same Calvinist beliefs.

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

 

He won't say it publicly, but has the same Calvinist beliefs.

Yep. For example, one of the websites that Jessa posted about Bin being a fan of the other day is also one of the ones from which Der gets a large amount of his anti-LGBQT and all-children-are-evil-by-nature stuff. And BIn has also deliberately hung around with Voddie Baucham (creator of this gem --https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2015/01/12/transcript-of-voddie-bauchams-child-training-sermon-at-hardin-baptist-church/  ) and his companions. .... 

Maybe Bin's childlike nature just keeps him from seeing what these newfangled Calvinists are saying or maybe he's too dim to actually understand it or maybe he's following his wife's orders and keeping it all to himself. But he's drinking from the exact same well that Der drinks from. So I'd be surprised if he isn't influenced by it at all. .... If he wanted to, he could find conservative Christians to admire who say other things. 

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bythelake

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58 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Yep. For example, one of the websites that Jessa posted about Bin being a fan of the other day is also one of the ones from which Der gets a large amount of his anti-LGBQT and all-children-are-evil-by-nature stuff. And BIn has also deliberately hung around with Voddie Baucham (creator of this gem --https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2015/01/12/transcript-of-voddie-bauchams-child-training-sermon-at-hardin-baptist-church/  ) and his companions. .... 

Maybe Bin's childlike nature just keeps him from seeing what these newfangled Calvinists are saying or maybe he's too dim to actually understand it or maybe he's following his wife's orders and keeping it all to himself. But he's drinking from the exact same well that Der drinks from. So I'd be surprised if he isn't influenced by it at all. .... If he wanted to, he could find conservative Christians to admire who say other things. 

This guy is advocating child abuse pure and simple  He sometimes has all day training sessions? What does that mean? Does he have to beat the child all day until he complies? Oh, and then they hug and laugh when it's  over. I'll bet that poor child doesn't forget. The viper in the diaper? That's what he calls his child? If it weren't so scary it would be funny. I hope Bin and Jessa are not going following this guy's teachings, but I'm afraid this is the way the Dillard boys are being "trained up".

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, bythelake said:

This guy is advocating child abuse pure and simple  He sometimes has all day training sessions? What does that mean? Does he have to beat the child all day until he complies? Oh, and then they hug and laugh when it's  over. I'll bet that poor child doesn't forget. The viper in the diaper? That's what he calls his child? If it weren't so scary it would be funny. I hope Bin and Jessa are not going following this guy's teachings, but I'm afraid this is the way the Dillard boys are being "trained up".

Well, we can hope it doesn't go that far. Der has never had anything to do with Baucham. Bin's the only one who has. And since he may be less susceptible to this stuff (I'm hoping), he may just be too oblivious to catch on fully to what the guy's preached all this time.

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Baby Button Eyes

Baby Button Eyes

It bugs me that every birthday, they all eat that exact same “chocolate mess” over and over... and over again. Doesn’t anyone ever want to expand horizons in the birthday dessert department? Of all desserts, I personally think there is a better choice offered than that kind-of-gross-when-I-think-about-it ice cream sundae.

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ariel

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8 minutes ago, Baby Button Eyes said:

It bugs me that every birthday, they all eat that exact same “chocolate mess” over and over... and over again. 

I think on your birthday at the place they go, you get the messy dessert for free.  I'm surprised the Duggars with all the birthdays they have, haven't put that place out of  business. I doubt they tip well. 

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cmr2014

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4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yep. For example, one of the websites that Jessa posted about Bin being a fan of the other day is also one of the ones from which Der gets a large amount of his anti-LGBQT and all-children-are-evil-by-nature stuff. And BIn has also deliberately hung around with Voddie Baucham (creator of this gem --https://homeschoolersanonymous.org/2015/01/12/transcript-of-voddie-bauchams-child-training-sermon-at-hardin-baptist-church/  ) and his companions. .... 

Maybe Bin's childlike nature just keeps him from seeing what these newfangled Calvinists are saying or maybe he's too dim to actually understand it or maybe he's following his wife's orders and keeping it all to himself. But he's drinking from the exact same well that Der drinks from. So I'd be surprised if he isn't influenced by it at all. .... If he wanted to, he could find conservative Christians to admire who say other things. 

I read the sermon and I have to say that his ideas are 180 degrees opposite of mine. That having been said, though, I think he's no closer to the Duggars than he is to me.

This is a man who thinks. He has a reasoned world view based on scholarship and thought. This isn't a guy who has kind of half-read a few wisdom booklets. This is a man who cares about his children and is invested in their lives. This isn't a man who makes an appointment to spend 30 minutes each month with each child.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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12 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I read the sermon and I have to say that his ideas are 180 degrees opposite of mine. That having been said, though, I think he's no closer to the Duggars than he is to me.

This is a man who thinks. He has a reasoned world view based on scholarship and thought. This isn't a guy who has kind of half-read a few wisdom booklets. This is a man who cares about his children and is invested in their lives. This isn't a man who makes an appointment to spend 30 minutes each month with each child.

Yeah, I completely agree. But in fact, in that sense I don't think Bill Gothard is really like the Duggars either. T

he Duggars are just idiots parroting stuff they don't understand because it gives them permission to do things their ids want to do.

In the sense that Voddie B would whack a kid all day for being shy, and so would the Duggars, at least once upon a time, no doubt, they're similar. But in the way that Voddie B and the Duggars arrived at the idea to do that -- not similar at all, of course. 

I was unclear, though. None of these guys is a Duggar person. They're Der and Bin people. And Voddie B is actually just a Bin person. And I assume he's in Bin's orbit because he's a Vision Forum guy, as the Seewalds were at one point. 

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doodlebug

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20 hours ago, SMama said:

Congratulations on the upcoming grandchild. I was born a leftie, but back in the dark ages in Catholic school they’d beat it out of you. Literally, wooden ruler to the hand when I used my left hand. It’s left me with some deficits as an adult, but not much I can do about it. People find it funny that I wear my watch on my right wrist though. 

I guess I was lucky, way back in the 60's when I attended Catholic grade school, the nuns never tried to convert me to a righty.  They had me slant the paper the other way when I wrote, but that was it.  This was a very good thing because I am very dominantly left handed, I cannot do anything with my right hand.  And, I might add, I have excellent handwriting to this day; people often comment on it since my profession is not known for penmanship.

During my second year of residency, there was a general surgeon I worked with, an otherwise wonderful guy, who thought it would be a great idea if I worked on becoming ambidextrous in the OR.  I saw the advantages of it, but I really cannot use my right hand all that well.  He used to make me close incisions right handed to practice.  He had a private scrub nurse who was lactating at the time who would give him grief, telling him I took too long and she needed to pump.  Got me off the hook more than a couple times.  As soon as I was done with his service, I stopped trying to pretend I could sew right handed.

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queenanne

queenanne

45 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Yeah, I completely agree. But in fact, in that sense I don't think Bill Gothard is really like the Duggars either. T

he Duggars are just idiots parroting stuff they don't understand because it gives them permission to do things their ids want to do.

In the sense that Voddie B would whack a kid all day for being shy, and so would the Duggars, at least once upon a time, no doubt, they're similar. But in the way that Voddie B and the Duggars arrived at the idea to do that -- not similar at all, of course. 

I was unclear, though. None of these guys is a Duggar person. They're Der and Bin people. And Voddie B is actually just a Bin person. And I assume he's in Bin's orbit because he's a Vision Forum guy, as the Seewalds were at one point. 

Yeah, shy kids are anathema because they’re not proselytizing.  Susan Cain’s book ‘Quiet’, even has a chapter set partially at the NJ Saddleback Church discussing the difficulties of being an introverted Christian.

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toodles

toodles

15 hours ago, ariel said:

I think on your birthday at the place they go, you get the messy dessert for free.  I'm surprised the Duggars with all the birthdays they have, haven't put that place out of  business. I doubt they tip well. 

They must not have a Denny's close by.  Otherwise we would see them invade them for their free birthday meal.

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Lunera

Lunera

4 minutes ago, toodles said:

They must not have a Denny's close by.  Otherwise we would see them invade them for their free birthday meal.

I'm thinking, maybe many places have banned them or changed their policy. (maybe only 5 members of the same family a year) I heard some restaurants in their town changed their 'children eat free' policy because of the Duggars. They still dress up and go to Chic-fil-a and Dunkin' donuts for free food, though. 

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truebluesmoky

truebluesmoky

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Did you see this retweet of Ben’s that Pickles has up on her Facebook? I am pro-choice, but I can at least stomach religious pro-life people who put their money where their mouthes are, in terms of supporting pregnant mothers and children once they’re born. In general, I don’t think Ben gets enough credit when he gets lumped in with Derick and Austin. Ben clearly lets Jessa run the show. He is not a “strict head of household” and she does not defer to him. He also likes Christian rap, has real non-Gothard friends, has friends of color, and seems to care about inner city kids. I’m not saying give the guy a medal, but I think Derick and Austin really do run the show in their marriages and see themselves as the lordship over their wives and children. I think Ben is super religious and super naive, but I think he cares more about his perception of the greater good of the world than D and A, who care about their egos.

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Also, Jessa tagged that Marketplace Grill restaurant in an Instagram post, and they offer TWO free kids meals per one adult meal ordered, so I’m sure that’s why the Duggars started going all the time in the first place. They are all about freebies.

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drafan

drafan

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23 hours ago, awaken said:

I hate that it's called chocolate mess. Gross name for a birthday treat. 

I think that's why Spurgie didn't want to touch it.

22 hours ago, ariel said:

I think on your birthday at the place they go, you get the messy dessert for free.  I'm surprised the Duggars with all the birthdays they have, haven't put that place out of  business. I doubt they tip well. 

In that video, you can hear the waitstaff person say "I'll put in your birthday discount". ((Something like that.)) Of course they had to remind her.

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Genevrier

Genevrier

On 11/7/2017 at 0:16 PM, SMama said:

Looks like Spurgeon is a leftie just like his aunt Jinger.

Yes, but it is too early to be sure. A lot of children switch back and forth for a while. For instance, when I was two (a couple of centuries ago) my parents were absolutely certain that I was a leftie like my father. In fact, I am strongly right-handed. 

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Genevrier

Genevrier

On 11/7/2017 at 4:30 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

Thanks :) Yeah, they beat it out of my dad as well. He did eventually end up writing with his right hand, and was fairly ambidextrous overall, but tended to default to his left for a lot of more fiddly work. 

My father was in elementary school in the 1930’s and they made every effort to force him rightie, but they could not do it. They did manage to confuse his brain to the point that he developed a stammer that he still has today. Ah, the good old days. ?

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