S02.E07: Ambush

[formerlyfreedom]

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Quinn interferes with Rachel and Coleman's new relationship; Darius decides to take a break from the show with Romeo; and Rachel makes a decision with dangerous consequences. Meanwhile, an unexpected visitor stops by the set.

 

[earlbny]

If I wanted to see a police shooting I would turn on the news. TV shows are supposed to be an escape for me. Loved romeo. So sad.This episode could have turned out the same with or without Adam. The chemistry is still there.

Edited July 19, 2016 by earlbny

[In2You]

That police shooting was too much especially with the constant police shootings in the news all the time and especially over the past couple of weeks.

[BunchOMalarkey]

I don't care about any of these people anymore. Rachel sets up a situation that she knows can be life threatening for good tv, two men are in the hospital and we're supposed to identify with her? We're supposed to think poor Rachel? I would love to see what that writer's room looks like. This episode literally turned my stomach. Not sure if I can continue to watch this show and let them treat this as business as usual in the world of reality tv. I hope Rachel never gets out of that psych hospital. She is truly a danger to society. 

[xaxat]

Disappointing. The big pitch for the show (both Everlasting and UnReal) was the implication of having a black suitor.

And they turned it into a story about white people. I'm not sure Darius rates even prop status right now.

[TiffanyNichelle]

Man, the first half of this episode was like candyland compared to the second half. As much as Jay has bugged me this season I was on his side when he lashed out at Rachel. He was right. This wasn't her story to tell. Didn't like the implication that she should kill herself even if that's not what he meant, you could easily see her reaching that point. Coleman and Rachel were complete asses for calling the cops. This is all on them. Fuck Coleman's speech to Quinn at the end about how important the story he was telling with that footage was. It's reality dating show. He and Rachel need to stop trying to turn it into something else.

The beginning part with Adam returning. Wow, did I miss him. The chemistry between Rachel and Adam is still off the charts. Coleman doesn't even compare.

I started to wonder if maybe Coleman wasn't the one doing an expose on the show and I started to suspect Hot Rachel and then ta-da, end of the episode she's recording her conversation with Jeremy. Yeah. she's a reporter going undercover.

Poor Romeo. Poor Darius.

[earlbny]

The UnREAL Twitter page is very active during each episode. After the shooting happened they stopped tweeting. If your going to show it then you have to talk about it. 

Good call on the undercover reporter.

As messed up as Rachel is she's a main charactor so I suspect by the end of the season everything will be back to normal.

Edited July 19, 2016 by earlbny

[formerlyfreedom]

My heart broke when Adam closed the door to the trailer, and then sat down on the step to stand guard.

I'm really torn/bothered by this episode. There were some great moments, and some absolutely horrible.

[Madding crowd]

I thought this episode was awful. Using current and tragic events from the real world to sell a comedy/drama is just classless. There is no way in hell a bachelor type show would have their lead arrested. Who would want to watch that? I don't believe for a second Rachel and Coleman were trying to change the show from a reality show to some kind of real world scenario show. If they were going to do that, Everlasting and the dates would no longer be filming. Also, the show has enough money to have a zillion employees but they can't rent a real gondola or at least have the fake one in real water? 

I know this isn't supposed to be exactly like the real bachelor show; but it is supposed to be about a show very much like it that people watch. Last season it seemed similar to the Bachelor in that Adam picked dates and handed out whatever and the girls were eliminated one by one. This season the whole show seems a disjointed mess that wouldn't appeal to amy romance viewers or even so called wrong reason viewers.

Outside of TMZ, who would want to watch a famous football player being arrested and hurt? I don't think Quinn would ever have sanctioned such a thing. And Coleman seems way too smart to go along with Rachel's idea. And lastly, I'm tired of Rachel's mental conditions. The show should not hire someone who has ongoing and untreated conditions. I certainly believe people with mental illnesses should and can work in a variety of jobs, but clearly Rachel cannot. 

[Empress1]

I deleted my season pass. I deleted, and then went into the TiVo trash can and permanently deleted, this episode. I DID rewind Jay reading Rachel for fucking filth and watched that a few times in a row, because that is the absolute least of what she deserves. I don't care that she's sad, I don't care that her mother is toxic and now has her claws in Rachel, I don't care that she thinks she's dead inside. She is a completely unredeemable character for me now, and since I know the show is about her, I know they're going to try to redeem her, and it's just a waste of my time to keep watching because I'll never believe she's a person worth ... anything. Fuck Rachel and her white woman tears, fuck Coleman, and fuck Quinn (Quinn because she only cared about how the shooting affected the show). And I know the show is about her, but I resent the show putting Rachel front and center when someone got shot. 

2 minutes ago, xaxat said:

Disappointing. The big pitch for the show (both Everlasting and UnReal) was the implication of having a black suitor.

And they turned it into a story about white people. I'm not sure Darius rates even prop status right now.

YES. Did they even MENTION Romeo's condition after he was shot? Is he critical? Stable? How is Darius? WHERE is Darius? Rachel is not the victim here. The innocent black man that she got shot was. And yeah, it's on her; she KNEW the cops would respond dramatically (and really, "I didn't think they'd get shot! Just arrested/roughed up" is not better. At all) to two black men in a Bentley. That is the entire reason she called them. But hey, black men aren't real people, right? Just pawns to make good television. 

If I had any faith that Sara Gertrude Shapiro would handle this gracefully and respectfully to Romeo and Darius, I'd keep watching, but I don't, so I won't. See y'all around the other forums.

[earlbny]

^ ITA. This show is all about shock value. At least last seasons rip straight from the headlines news story was Faith coming out. That was beautiful. 

Where was Chet this week?

Edited July 19, 2016 by earlbny

[dirtydi]

I'm done.

[Knuckles]

I don't understand the show now....Romeo is shot, and Darius had his back twisted dangerously, and we are supposed to be concerned about Rachel...who initiated the whole mess? Even if the Unreal was trying to show the lengths to which producers might go...by shifting the focus entirely on Rachel, and her sorry self, and ignoring the well being of Darius and Romeo...is this a story about sad, misunderstood TV producers? Really?? I am seriously confused and disappointed by the show.

[Minneapple]

And here I thought this show would actually treat race better than others on TV. Nope. You do not get to shoot a black man and then frame it about how it affected the white people. Nope nope nope. Pretty sure I'm out of here after that one.

[portfino]

Boy, should this show have really, really, really done a parody of The Bachelorette.

 

Using the shooting of a black man to further a white character's growth is gross at any time but particularly given recent events. All the more so because they didn't lay the groundwork and just brought Romeo back for this. There are so many other ways to push Rachel over the edge.

If the show wants to make the argument that having a Black suitor is not real social progress, that's perfectly fine and good. 

[BunchOMalarkey]

4 minutes ago, Minneapple said:

And here I thought this show would actually treat race better than others on TV. Nope. You do not get to shoot a black man and then frame it about how it affected the white people. Nope nope nope. Pretty sure I'm out of here after that one.

I sat through the rest of the episode after the shooting just stunned and sickened. I just don't care what happens next. They killed this show for me tonite. 

[Emily Thrace]

41 minutes ago, In2You said:

That police shooting was too much especially with the constant police shootings in the news all the time and especially over the past couple of weeks.

Yeah the writer probably planned this though before most of that happened. I do think they should show more of the black characters not just Jay. I am hoping we get more next episode. Like when Mary died last year. We got a whole episode of everyone dealing with the aftermath. I just hope its not a mess. 

[holly4755]

well I'm Still in - how could Rachael do this - she is nuts and going off the rails every day, you can see it in her male relationships all the time - but to hand her over to her mother again,that is uncalled for.  

 

This year is hard to watch,but I admit having a laugh at the ashes in the mouth, 

[In2You]

22 minutes ago, Emily Thrace said:

Yeah the writer probably planned this though before most of that happened. I do think they should show more of the black characters not just Jay. I am hoping we get more next episode. Like when Mary died last year. We got a whole episode of everyone dealing with the aftermath. I just hope its not a mess. 

Most of that happened long before this show was planned. Black people have been getting unfairly shot by the cops for years and they got the idea for this storyline after major incidents happen. This was just heartless and careless writing. They made the shooting of an unarmed black person all about white people's tears.  It's bad enough we're supposed to feel bad for Rachel the psycho.  But Adam shouldn't even have been a factor in this yet we're supposed to feel sorry for him over Rachel's rejection. 

[bobbyjoe]

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And they turned it into a story about white people. I'm not sure Darius rates even prop status right now.

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Using the shooting of a black man to further a white character's growth is gross at any time but particularly given recent events.

I'm stunned that the show instantly tanked so hard.  What on earth were they thinking?  It's bad enough that they didn't even bother delaying this episode, but they don't even get to say "oh, we weren't aware of recent events when we wrote and filmed this episode"-- the whole Black Lives Matter issue has been going on for quite a while now, certainly even before and during last season.

Could the show possibly be more hypocritical?  To have Jay say "this is not your story to tell" and then spend the rest of the episode in scene after scene entirely focusing on how the shooting of a black man affects a white woman and the white characters, with absolutely no attention to the actual African-American characters? 

The angry viewer reactions we're already seeing and the complete disgust that many are expressing make one thing clear:  I don't say this lightly, but whoever green-lighted this storyline ought to currently be experiencing the same fate as Coleman: being fired by the network over the phone as they drive away from the show.

[AlliMo]

This episode was awful, and everyone was such an idiot. I'm over Quinn's crassness and inability to stop "producing" the people who work for her. I'm sick of Rachel's constant self sabotaging. Coleman was a moron to go along with her idiotic plan, but of course he did, because he tries to hide his venality behind a self righteous facade just like she does. Adam's following Rachel around like a puppy begging for her to take him back was beyond pathetic. All these assholes deserve each other and their misery, and it's no longer entertaining to watch.

[Empress1]

8 minutes ago, bobbyjoe said:

I'm stunned that the show instantly tanked so hard.  What on earth were they thinking?  It's bad enough that they didn't even bother delaying this episode, but they don't even get to say "oh, we weren't aware of recent events when we wrote and filmed this episode"-- the whole Black Lives Matter issue has been going on for quite a while now, certainly even before and during last season.

I didn't know this show existed (haven't seen any promos for it), but apparently USA pushed back the premiere date of a show called Shooter until the fall (several months - it was supposed to premiere this month), due to all the fuckery that's going on in this country because "the timing isn't appropriate." They announced this today. There was a show on CNN with W. Kamau Bell called United Shades of America; the finale was supposed to air about a month ago, right when the Orlando shooting happened (that episode was to take place in FL) and I don't think they ever aired it. 

Black Lives Matter is three years old. Black people have been getting unjustly killed by the police for as long as there have been black people and police. "We wrote that a while ago" isn't an excuse, and neither is that bullshit disclaimer they posted at the start of the hour.

(I have way more beef with the content of the show - the fact that they used bullets in black bodies to further a white woman's character development - than I do with the timing, to be fair. When Rachel was reviewing the footage, I thought "Ok, she's giving it to the cops" and then was furious to see that she was just reviewing it so she could feel sorry for herself. It all went downhill from there.)

[basically]

Haven't seen the ep yet but after reading the above not sure if I want to. I love Shiri & Constance - they are powerhouse performers on the show, so it's a testament to them that they have made me more and more turned off and disappointed in there characters as each episode airs this season. At least last season there were parts of them you could root for. I know it's not their fault - they deserve all the praise  and season 1 as well . 

I'm gonna see this season out. And pray for Marti Noxons return in season 3. I really believe losing her as the a Showrunner and giving Sarah Gertrude Shapiro free reign is what did season 2 in. Too much, too soon, too dark, too all over the place.....too many issues with this season.

[earlbny]

They did put that warning message before the episode aired. It still was not enough thoug. The cast should have made a heartfelt message. After the shooting UnREAL stopped tweeting. They useally tweet the entire episode. If your going there at least man up and talk about it. Own up for what you did. I asked SGS in the Entertainment  Weekly Snapchat thing about the police shooting and was told they wrote this episode like 6 months ago. In light of what's happened they should have shot a new episode or did a whole hour long live Q&A about the subject. Lifetime is still trying to rebrand and they want to be edgier.

ETA SGS did an interview with the Hollywood reporter about tonight's episode. I posted the link in the media thread. Everyone should leave a comment.

Edited July 19, 2016 by earlbny

[Artsda]

Lifetime should have held off on airing that. TNT had no problem postponing the premiere of The Last Ship. Lifetime could have postponed for a week.

[Phebemarie]

The title of the episode by itself should have made Lifetime reconsider showing it tonight.  

[RCharter]

Poor whittle Wachel.  She sets up a black man to get shot by the cops, another one to get injured and somehow she is the poor victim in all of this.  She is a fucking bitch, and I'm glad Jay read her for filth.  It is all her fault.  

But to be fair, I was over her from the first frame of this episode.  Adam stole "her Africa?" because he had the courage to do it?  Bitch, bye.

She is a fucking mess, and while Darius faces a paralyzing back injury, and Romeo faces death, little miss "I wanna call the cops just to see what happens" gets to take a few meds while her mommy pets her hair and gives her soothing words.

The only bright spot is Yael possibly exposing the truth, and I only want Rachel to get exactly what she has coming to her.

 

8 hours ago, holly4755 said:

well I'm Still in - how could Rachael do this - she is nuts and going off the rails every day, you can see it in her male relationships all the time - but to hand her over to her mother again,that is uncalled for.  

 

This year is hard to watch,but I admit having a laugh at the ashes in the mouth, 

IMO, Rachel deserves much, much worse than to have a comfy bed with her mother stroking her hair.

I don't care how mentally deficient she is, she knows right from wrong, she knew EXACTLY what she was doing and she did it anyways -- all in the hopes that someone would get hurt so she could expose some story, because she was ass-hurt that Adam called her show ridiculous.

She basically got one man shot and another one injured over Adam calling her out for what her show is....fluff.

At the very least, she was hoping for some sort of confrontation.....with a guy who can easily get paralyzed because of the epidural SHE encouraged him to get to remain on her shit show.  So at the very least, she set up Darius to get paralyzed.  

But somehow the audience is supposed to feel bad for Rachel in all of this?  As she takes happy pills to make her forget all the terrible shit she has done?  While her mommy strokes her hair and Rachel gets to be in a daze?

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[regardez]

Add me to the list of people not watching anymore. I can't believe this show. That was in such bad taste. So disgusting.

[RealityCreator]

Wow.  That was....bad.  I've really tried to give the show the benefit of the doubt this season, but this episode was over the top terrible.  Along with everyone else who has already posted, I too was stunned that a black man is shot by a cop, and another injured directly because of Rachel's  intentionally cruel actions, and then...they focus on Rachel and how horrible the whole incident was for Rachel, and how creeped out we're supposed to feel that Rachel is being drugged in an asylum by her mother.  Sorry.  No.    

Edited July 19, 2016 by RealityCreator

[KateeBar]

Not much I can say that hasn't already been said. Gross. In the first season, the woman who messed with Mary's pills was vilified. But Rachel calls the cops, knowing exactly what could happen, and I should feel sorry for her breakdown and her mom locking her up? Barf. And the fact that she thought they'd "just" get roughed up, knowing about his back? Double barf. Last season, I felt for Rachel and her internal conflict was well-realized. Now she's just awful.

Terrible timing and terrible storyline. 

Edited July 19, 2016 by KateeBar

[Wings]

7 hours ago, basically said:

I'm gonna see this season out. And pray for Marti Noxons return in season 3. I really believe losing her as the a Showrunner and giving Sarah Gertrude Shapiro free reign is what did season 2 in. Too much, too soon, too dark, too all over the place.....too many issues with this season.

I agree.  SGS said in an interview that she doesn't read feedback because a lot of it is about what viewers want to see happen and she doesn't want to do that. She wants to create something no one is expecting.  Mission accomplished.  I will look for the link and post it if I find it.  I am only paraphrasing.  

Edited July 19, 2016 by wings707

[NutmegsDad]

I'm sure when they filmed it at the time, the "Darius gets stopped by cops" storyline was a good idea. After the past few weeks, it ended up being an arrow through the shoulder, and the only way to get it out was to pass it through.

Actually, I thought it was Rachel, then Darius who got shot.

I've been wondering when Rachel's mom would show up. I'm surprised they hadn't picked up on Jeremy and her teaming together, as inferred at the end of Season 1.

8 hours ago, portfino said:

Boy, should this show have really, really, really done a parody of The Bachelorette.

They did. Season 1. And it was brilliant.

[Primetimer]

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[earlbny]

1 hour ago, wings707 said:

I agree.  SGS said in an interview that she doesn't read feedback because a lot of it is about what viewers want to see happen and she doesn't want to do that. She wants to create something no one is expecting.  Mission accomplished.  I will look for the link and post it if I find it.  I am only paraphrasing.  

Here's the link to the article you are referring to. http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/q-and-a/a59464/unreal-sarah-gertrude-shapiro-season-2-interview/

[Wings]

Thanks.  I did not remember this correctly but there is an essence there!  lol

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UnREAL gets a ton of attention on social media. Is that something that you pay much attention to?
I don't pay a lot of attention to it, only because I think as a writer, it's not great to respond to the internet, in general. Something I've seen on shows in seasons two or three is that they start playing to the cheap seats. Everyone loves one thing on Twitter, and all of the sudden, you're trying to do that thing three times in a season, because everyone loves it. I definitely see social media stuff a little bit, but I try to not pay attention to it. 

Edited July 19, 2016 by wings707

[earlbny]

You're welcome.

Had she listened to the fans season 2 might have actually been enjoyable.

I strongly believe that Rachel = SGS. SGS wants us to feel bad for her. 

[dixiecricket]

This entire season is really disjointed. If all of this has been done on purpose (I just have to assume that no group of people would be this careless with a sophomore season of an edgy show) then the season finale really must be a wowzer to tie it all together.

RE: Adam and Rachel - they can definitely steam up the screen!

[RedInk]

I've been powering through this painfully shitty season, hoping things might get back on track, but this episode was my last. This ridiculous Lifetime soap opera thinks it's relevant! Capitalizing  on real-life tragedy and pretending it's making a statement. I think? Maybe it was just a callous and grossly inappropriate way to advance the story. I'm surprised there's not more blowback. 

[mattie0808]

I've been hanging on by my fingernails this season, watching each episode days after it aired, and only after spoiling myself -- last year it was appointment viewing once I found it, and I didn't want ANY spoilers. So I haven't watched last night's episode, and I won't, and I won't watch the rest of the season. I can't believe this is where this show has gone so quickly. They should be &%$^-ing ASHAMED of themselves, from top to bottom. Though, hey, they really did hope it would be, like totally outdated by now! I mean, who didn't expect this country to resolve all the issues caught up with police brutality in time for the second half of UnReal Season 2? And, well, they did let a black guy yell at Rachel, so, you know, that covers that angle of a white woman setting up black men with the police! Isn't that what it's all about in the end? I mean, whether the black guys wind up dead, seriously injured, paralyzed...well, how IS poor Rachel doing!?

Damn. I guess not all shows stay winners...

[Deanie87]

I took this off my DVR last week and I"m glad.  I didn't watch last night but after seeing a couple of TV critics disparage this particular episode I decided to check in here.  Wow.  Having read interviews with the showrunner I am not surprised at all, she simply reeks of entitlement.  And there probably was a way that they could have written this that would have been critical of Rachel's entitlement (and the privilege of the Chets and Quinns, etc. in Hollywood) that didn't make her the victim, and that would have been a thoughtful and meaningful "statement." This is just the most recent (and most offensive) indication that this show has completely become the very thing that it is supposed to be deconstructing.

[TattleTeeny]

I want to see what happens so I'm still in. I certainly don't watch this show as a moral compass (yikes, more like the complete opposite, if anything) and don't really care that awful characters are shown being awful; I've never subscribed to the idea that show creators are actively trying to make me like someone. That said, it definitely was dark and even startling; made me forget for a second that I started out watching a "fluffy" Lifetime show. 

[Princess Sparkle]

18 minutes ago, earlbny said:

You're welcome.

Had she listened to the fans season 2 might have actually been enjoyable.

I strongly believe that Rachel = SGS. SGS wants us to feel bad for her. 

I agree with this.  I feel like SGS is trying to absolve herself of her past bad behavior by writing (what she thinks is) a sympathetic character in Rachel.  I think she thinks that if the audience forgives Rachel, then she can justify whatever tactics she used when she herself was a producer on The Bachelor.  

I can't say anything about the episode that others in this thread already said (but better), so all i will say is that I found the execution extremely distasteful.  I feel like SGS and the writers just wanted to be able to pat themselves on the back for having a black bachelor as the lead, but didn't actually think through how to tackle the issue of race effectively on the show.

[RCharter]

30 minutes ago, earlbny said:

You're welcome.

Had she listened to the fans season 2 might have actually been enjoyable.

I strongly believe that Rachel = SGS. SGS wants us to feel bad for her. 

This has been my biggest concern and its coming to life.  SGS sounds like a terrible human being.  I do not want to watch a show about her as an anti-hero because she sounds awful.  If this is about SGS playing victim and trying to justify whatever she has done in the world, I'm not here for that.  

[dmc]

1.  Okay so I hate Coleman.  I don't know what it is about him but I don't like him or trust him.  Of all the dirt bags on this show to me he is the worst one.  Glad he is fired...now if only that meant we never had to see him again.

2.  Black Lives Matter...this is a serious subject and you can't handle it well...it's a disgrace to handle it at all...this was a disgrace. 

3.  Save yourself...if ever there was a message this season...it's the idea that a relationship cannot save you from yourself.  It can't.  Quinn couldn't save Chet.  Rachel couldn't save Jeremy.  Coleman and Adam can't save Rachel.

4.  Team Adam:  While I firmly believe that Rachel needs to get help on her own.  I think Adam is a better fit for her. 

Edited July 19, 2016 by dmc

[RCharter]

19 minutes ago, mattie0808 said:

I've been hanging on by my fingernails this season, watching each episode days after it aired, and only after spoiling myself -- last year it was appointment viewing once I found it, and I didn't want ANY spoilers. So I haven't watched last night's episode, and I won't, and I won't watch the rest of the season. I can't believe this is where this show has gone so quickly. They should be &%$^-ing ASHAMED of themselves, from top to bottom. Though, hey, they really did hope it would be, like totally outdated by now! I mean, who didn't expect this country to resolve all the issues caught up with police brutality in time for the second half of UnReal Season 2? And, well, they did let a black guy yell at Rachel, so, you know, that covers that angle of a white woman setting up black men with the police! Isn't that what it's all about in the end? I mean, whether the black guys wind up dead, seriously injured, paralyzed...well, how IS poor Rachel doing!?

Damn. I guess not all shows stay winners...

Exactly, poor Rachel feels weally, weally bad and has to take some medication to forget about all the awful things she has done.  And mommy came to take her away....poor poor Rachel.  Shouldn't we really all just feel pity for Rachel?  She gets to take some meds and isn't facing death, like the man she set up for no reason other than to show Adam that her show isn't ridiculous fluff.

27 minutes ago, RedInk said:

I've been powering through this painfully shitty season, hoping things might get back on track, but this episode was my last. This ridiculous Lifetime soap opera thinks it's relevant! Capitalizing  on real-life tragedy and pretending it's making a statement. I think? Maybe it was just a callous and grossly inappropriate way to advance the story. I'm surprised there's not more blowback. 

Out of curiosity I visited the FB page, and its a lot of "but Rachel was really trying to help!" "Poor Rachel really meant well!" and "ohhh...Adam!"

I can't understand how the biggest thing people got out of that episode was "Adam + Rachel = hot love 4 ever!" 

Edited July 19, 2016 by RCharter

[earlbny]

1 minute ago, Princess Sparkle said:

I agree with this.  I feel like SGS is trying to absolve herself of her past bad behavior by writing (what she thinks is) a sympathetic character in Rachel.  I think she thinks that if the audience forgives Rachel, then she can justify whatever tactics she used when she herself was a producer on The Bachelor.  

I can't say anything about the episode that others in this thread already said (but better), so all i will say is that I found the execution extremely distasteful.  I feel like SGS and the writers just wanted to be able to pat themselves on the back for having a black bachelor as the lead, but didn't actually think through how to tackle the issue of race effectively on the show.

SGS wants us all to give her a hug after last nights episode. Poor Sarah. Poor Rachel. 

SGS has said that they had 2 black people on the writing staff and had long discussions about this season. They should have had even longer ones.

I heard SGS talk during the UnREAL press tour and she came across just like Rachel when talking about the 1st black suitor.. 

[RCharter]

3 minutes ago, earlbny said:

SGS wants us all to give her a hug after last nights episode. Poor Sarah. Poor Rachel. 

SGS has said that they had 2 black people on the writing staff and had long discussions about this season. They should have had even longer ones.

I heard SGS talk during the UnREAL press tour and she came across just like Rachel when talking about the 1st black suitor.. 

does she really think any of this makes her/Rachel likable?

I suspect there was serious railroading at some point, or something was changed, because I can't see how two people of color would have thought that Rachel should somehow be a victim in all of that.

But given the little I've read of SGS, she seems like just the sort who would.

Edited July 19, 2016 by RCharter

[SillyOldClothCat]

Jay telling Rachel "This is not your story to tell" was the only thing i liked about this episode - it was so on point, on so many different levels.

[xaxat]

18 minutes ago, dmc said:

Okay so I hate Coleman.  I don't know what it is about him but I don't like him or trust him.  Of all the dirt bags on this show to me he is the worst one.  Glad he is fired...now if only that meant we never had to see him again.

Rachel's actions were inexcusable, but Coleman's "Rachel, don't go in and try to defuse the situation because I am getting good footage of a volatile incident that I think may end in tragedy because of a false accusation that we set up in order to create drama for TV show." was totally loathsome.

6 minutes ago, earlbny said:

SGS has said that they had 2 black people on the writing staff and had long discussions about this season. They should have had even longer ones.

I wonder if those writers were totally ignored by the end of the discussion. .  . like Darius and Romeo.

Edited July 19, 2016 by xaxat

[RCharter]

4 minutes ago, xaxat said:

Rachel's actions were inexcusable, but Coleman's "Rachel, don't go in and try to defuse the situation because I am getting good footage of a volatile incident that I think may end in tragedy because of a false accusation that we set up in order to create drama for TV show." was totally loathsome.

I wonder if those writers were totally ignored by the end of the discussion. .  . like Darius and Romeo.

I was even more annoyed by "huh, why would I lose my job over this?" and referring to the shooting of two men as "the situation"  I was team Coleman -- no more.  Begone Google Glasses douche.