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That's what I got out of it too. She is reading Lila's journals (and tossing them into the ocean is a really, really shitty thing to do regardless), Lila's voice is in her head and while Lila is living a domestic nightmare, she is still smart, she is still stubborn and is still living with the destructive bravado that was always the core of her personality and strength. Lenu has been given all of the opportunities that Lila didn't get, but is still unsure, still lonely, still passive and still unable to really enjoy her relative good fortune. At this point it seems to me that Lenu is perusing her life in order to spite Lila in some way rather than because she actively has a passion for it. * *I wrote this before finishing the finale and have not read further into the forum thread so as not to spoil myself. Things could change dramatically leaving but I'm not counting on it.

Damn. By the end of the series the only characters I cared about were Conner, Michaela, Frank and Bonnie. LOL to me.

I'm watching too. I think he probably did do it. I vaguely remember from when I was young and I had always assumed that it was a completely watertight case so to see so many people doubt it is interesting. I'm glad they are giving this such a thorough look.

I love this show but it can be so frustrating. And while I want to be infuriated with Lila for "stealing" Nino away from Elena, I can't because Elena never, ever communicates what she wants. I understand that she is still a young girl who doesn't really know what she wants or how to ask for it and comes from a society where her wants and needs are immaterial, but I find her so frustrating. Much more than Lila who is just such a complicated mix of intelligence, rage and destruction. It's possible that knowing Elena liked Nino may have made Nino all the more attractive to Lila, but I have a hard time feeling the "betrayal" when Elena just sits silently and passively watches people act around her. I hate that she let that gross, manipulative creep anywhere near her but I almost welcomed her doing something actively, as wrong and as misguided as it was. I do love that she told him afterward. I hope that Elena finally does start putting herself first and figuring out what she really wants.

This is the show that I have been looking forward to the most this Spring. I am definitely liking it, but I thought that the first episode was pretty heavy handed. I don't know much about Shlafely but I'm wondering if they are white-washing her a little bit. The show is implying that the ERA definitely wasn't the hill she wanted to die on but the topic that would get her the most recognition. And that she used her looks and charms just as much as Gloria Steinem, who I know a little bit more about but am still wondering how accurate the portrayal is. All in all the actresses and music are definitely enough to keep me watching.

I am so late to the "party" but honestly the best part of this episode is seeing so many familiar names from TWoP and PTV. "Hi everybody!!"/Dr. Nick. I'm sorry that we had to meet again under such bullshit circumstances. I am so much sadder about the end of an era of my life (seriously, I started watching and commenting with some of you all through marriage, kids, deaths, etc.) than I am about this sad snuffing out of a character that meant a lot to me. This character has been in my life longer than my kid! What can possibly be said after years of complaining about the treatment of Alex Karev on this show? Honestly 10 years ago, I would have been begging for an Alex/Izzie ending. But this was laughable. I realize that they have apparently been caught off guard but there were so many better ways to do this. Even if he still left Jo and wound up with Izzie there would have been better ways than Alex doing to Jo what Izzie did to him. If I had been given a taste of the legendary JC/KH chemistry, I would have been at least a little curious to see if they still had it and they possibly could have sold it to me, but we didn't even get that. I liked Jolex, but A/I was my first ever real, true all-encompassing OTP. I lived through the Evil Spawn stage, the Gizzie stage, the Ava stage, the GHOST FUCKING DENNY stage, the '"eh will we put him with April?" stage, the Pixie Haircut girl stage, the "why does he have nothing to do? stage parts 1-3, the godawful "he's no Derek but at least he'll idolize Meredith" Merlex stage, and finally the "Jo is perfect for him/wait why is she so whiny/Jo could do better than Alex/FINALLY he is happy and healthy" stage. And then...this embarrassment. In the end, I am SO grateful for Krista/Shonda/ABC/whoever else, because they have so completely ruined a show that I used to love, not to mention my all time favorite TV character to the point that I haven't watched a second of this season, and I don't even really care about this, which would have completely SHOCKED me even 2 years ago. They should have ended the show YEARS ago and the longer they go on, the more they tarnish the legacy of the show. May they always be a cautionary tale.

Also interesting/smart how all of this went down a couple of days after the TCAs so no uncomfortable questions. I didn't pay much attention, though, so I don't even know if Grey's was even asked about. Maybe Station 19?

Yeah, we will probably never know the details for any of the backstage stuff (dammit!!). Grey's has definitely dealt with cast members needing time off for various personal and professional reasons, so maybe it was a contract negotiation that went sour which led to Justin seeking help or maybe the other way around. It just stinks that from all outward appearances (which I know don't always mean much) he seemed like a pretty good employee. Shondaland has a lot of disgruntled former employees in its wake though, so I always side eye them.

I don't necessarily think that SaRa has tea, but I believe that she is friendly enough with Justin to know if it was a health or family problem. And if it were, she probably wouldn't have tweeted what she did. She and his wife have been pretty good friends for years, I"m pretty sure.

This is from the former creator of TWoP. I have no idea if they are related or if she has any inside scoop but...

It is time for somebody to publish that tell-all. They need to strike now while the iron is hot LOL!

Hmmmmmm. ETA - she is or was pretty good friends with him and his family. I think she would know if there was a health or personal problem. Or at least she would find out before tweeting.

Just popping in here to say what the hell? I don't even watch this show anymore but he was the only reason I did for nearly 15 years. I can't believe this. The Grey's tell all can't come fast enough.

I thought the show ended kind of upbruptly, but I, too, got choked up at the end. I am a complete sucker for a montage and David Simon is damn good at them. I saw this Love Letter to NY/Old Times Square as a kind of bookend to his Love Letter to Baltimore from the wire. Which I still can't watch without absolutely losing it. I also really appreciated the sound of the GoT theme in there too, very cheeky of Simon. I'm of two minds about it. On the one hand, she knew that the actress didn't want to do it and had them do it anyway, but on the other hand, they actors were apparently told what it would involve ahead of time and what kind of film it was going to be. She was frustrated, but she didn't threaten them or verbally abuse them and she gave them extra time to take a walk and think about it. In the end they ended up in a Criterion Classic movie without having a sex scene on video for all of eternity. (I assume that was the film the article was referencing.) I actually loved the reunion of Vince and Frankie and laughed when Frankie told him that he looked like shit. That scene and the wedding were my favorite parts.

Ugh what a gut punch. I agree that the fact that Lori did it so fast, with no hesitation and no desire to be high just makes it all the more sad. I really don't care about Vincent or Abby or the other guy and his son. I wanted to see Paul and I wanted to see some follow up on Harvey and Maggie. It seems like some storylines got dragged out and some just disappeared.