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  1. Deanie87

    S15.E20: The Whole Package

    I understand that in a real life situation, but from a storytelling situation, none of this seems earned to me. Of all the many, many things that Jo has been through (and apparently we haven't touched bottom yet) it doesn't make character or storytelling sense to me why this is the thing that causes her to call out of work for a week to drink and lay in bed. I understand the trauma and I understand pushing Alex away to a degree, but this all seems excessive and contrived, but with no explanation as to why they are contriving it. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to it. Maybe its all building to something, but I have my doubts.
  2. Deanie87

    S15.E20: The Whole Package

    Not to mention it goes completely against her characterization from these past two years (which goes against the s11-13 characterization which went against the s9-10 characterization ad fucking infinitum.) Anyway, this time last season Jo was getting on Alex because he was ignoring her about his bank balance and she gave him a long speech about how they weren't going to do this anymore, they were going to talk like adults. And when she proposed she mentioned always running but that now she didn't have to because she was finally home and with someone she trusted, blah blah blah. These writers don't watch their own show.
  3. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    I liked it, but didn't love it. It somehow seemed kind of rushed to me, but I agree that the big emotional scenes really worked. I will probably have to go back and watch some of the flash forwards because I"m not sure that I got all of the explanations for all of it. Why was Gretchen at the hotel and why wasn't she drinking? Was it part of Lindsay's pre-wedding celebration? Did they make a bet about her not drinking? I also didn't like that it seemed that Edgar was estranged from Jimmy and Gretchen for so long, but I liked the reconciliation scene. But Gretchen was so fucking harsh to Edgar in the car that I had a hard time getting over it, especially because the reconciliation came so quickly in real time, though not show universe time. I did love Edgar's resolve though, and his stubborn insistence on waiting for Jimmy, just in case. Gretchen telling Edgar that Jimmy would never respect him was so mean, but I guess it kind of rolled off Edgar's shoulders because of Jimmy's speech to him the night/weekend before. Which also makes me think that Edgar knows Jimmy better than Gretchen. Who knew this was the relationship I was rooting for the whole time?? I didn't even like Edgar all that much up until the last few episodes. I, too, am a sucker for a montage and the song that they used was absolutely perfect (was it a Ben Folds song?), thank god, because a lot of those milestones seemed a little too cute and easy for me and again it felt kind of rushed. One second Gretchen was reminding Jimmy that she may step in front of a train any day (WTF.) and the next is her thrilled with the sonagram and dancing at the wedding with the kids. I don't know, people grow up and I"m glad that they ended up together, but I sort of wish we had seen a little more of this Gretchen before the finale.
  4. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    I would argue that Jimmy has always been the semi-functional one. He had the focus and determination to finish a novel, owns a house, has been in a semi-serious relationship previously (with Becca, but still), was able to sustain friendly relationships in the old folks trailer park, and has for the most part been a decent partner to Gretchen. He obviously has his own issues and doesn't deal with problems well (clearly), but I remember him doing lots of little, loving things for her (the YouTube animal cruise, the murder crime spree and generally fighting really hard for her when he fucked up (and yes, he fucked up hugely). I haven't re-watched any of the seasons since they aired, but as far as I remember, the one time Jimmy needed Gretchen for real support when his father died, she freaked out and got him drunk. This is my prediction for what happens and my hope for what happens. I would be very happy with that. I thought it was perfect! Jimmy is a narcissistic snob who feels like he doesn't get the acclaim and recognition that he deserves. Now he gets to be part of some exclusive club so that he can look down on other people, and yes, hold court. And while I think he would be happy to hold court with anyone who would be willing to listen to him, beautiful women and other snobs is probably the best case scenario for him. I don't like where Paul and Lindsay are going either and I really, really hope its a misdirection.
  5. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    Ugh that was a gut punch. Now I want Jimmy and Edgar to get married. Their final scene was one of my favorites of the entire series, and both actors did an incredible job. I loved every second of Jimmy and Edgar's together and I was so glad to hear Jimmy finally give Edgar credit for what a true friend his is. And Edgar is a true friend, although I kind of wished he hadn't waited until the day before the wedding to lay all of this on Jimmy. I know that he has been trying to tell him for a long time, but ugh. So often, what is good for Gretchen seems to be of the utmost importance on the show, so I was so happy for someone to finally seem to care about what will be good for Jimmy. I think I will be more devastated if Jimmy and Edgar don't get back together than I will be about anything else. For me, the entire series has been building up to a scene like that and it was well and truly earned. Unlike Gretchen and her mother, unfortunately. I feel like we have always known that Gretchen's mother was overbearing and judgmental, but she was so over the top in this episode that I feel a little bit manipulated and their scenes didn't really work for me. Also because Gretchen has never really done much to treat her mental illness, her being offended that her mother never took it seriously just kind of annoys me. Gretchen just wants someone to save her and her saying that now she can do whatever she wants because Jimmy will never leave is so beyond shitty that I thought it served her right when she stepped on the glass (which was a very heavy-handed metaphor, but it got me nevertheless). So congrats to the show on making me basically okay with whatever happens in the next episode. I still root for Jimmy and Gretchen, but I am hoping that they don't get married. My ideal would be Gretchen leaving Jimmy, rather than the other way around, but them finding each other again sometime in the future after Gretchen is finally able to get her life together. But if that doesn't happen, then I hope they both find happiness, either on their own or with someone else (and by that I mean I want Edgar and Jimmy to fall in love and be together 🙂 . Or just be best friends for life and hang out at the Members Only Club and go curling on the weekends.) On the other hand, "There is no way I'd rather go..." AAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
  6. Deanie87

    S15.E17: And Dream of Sheep

    That's because it isn't a storyline, its just scenes. Alex hasn't had a storyline in years, unless you count beating DeLuca or him being Chief, which mainly consists of him furrowing his brow and staring down at an ipad while everyone around him doubts his abilities and gives him shit. The only people currently with a real, multi-episode storyline are Owen/Amelia and Meredith/DeLuca. Everybody else just sort of exists to interact with a patient and to resolve everything in their life offscreen or in a cutesy scene at the end of each episode, never to be referred to again. I have no idea why Alex's mom was there other than to give Lindsay Wagner something to do because we learned nothing new (except that Alex's never seen sister apparently has kids WTF and Alex had a big head as a baby.) I have never been a huge fan of Owen, but he is utterly ruined now and the fact that he sucks up so much screentime just to reinforce what a selfish, neanderthal dick he is boggles my mind. And Amelia truly goes from storyline to storyline to storyline while other characters just gather dust in the background. This has continually been a problem on Grey's but it is just so blatant now that I wish they would just give her a spinoff.
  7. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    Becca and Jimmy were originally engaged which is how Lindsey knew him. I can’t remember why they broke up though. I totally agree, that was the best part of the episode for me. I don’t mind Becca, Vernon or Paul really, but I would much prefer to see small amounts of them more frequently than all jammed into one episode. I find the show works best as a true ensemble with the characters outside of the main four to be sprinkled in organically (such as these three or Sam and his crew.)
  8. Deanie87

    S15.E14: I Want a New Drug

    Yeah I saw an image of the docs standing around with their damn cell phones held aloft and got such secondhand embarrassment that I deleted the episode right off of my DVR. Yikes.
  9. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    Ugh, this is going to be painful. I have always been more Team Jimmy than Team Gretchen, so it galls me a little to see that in the flash forwards, Gretchen seems to be doing OK while Jimmy apparently loses everything. I'm wondering if they will call off the wedding and yet meet up someplace in the very last minutes of the finale. I'm not sure what I want. I think that Aya Cash does an incredible job with Gretchen - that scene of her practicing her smile in the mirror broke my heart, but I think I"m ready to tell Jimmy to make a run for it. The blow job stuff was just gross and I can't believe that Gretchen wouldn't have more respect for Jimmy if he told her to go fuck herself.
  10. Deanie87

    S15.E14: I Want a New Drug

    This is the first episode I've watched since the break and you guys...the dialogue is SO bad. I swear every other scene was exposition. As soon as one character would finish dialoguing about a medical procedure, the next would start in about The Very Serious Opioid Crisis Going on In This Country. And THEN to add insult to injury they have Jo Alex-plain that yes Alex has some experience with this sort of thing. Is that really necessary to anyone who isn't tuning in for the very first time? Are our attention spans that short? Nearly every piece of dialogue between Alex and Jo this season has been one thanking the other for marrying them, exchanging ILY's or Jo providing a Previously On about Alex so that we can prepare for some possible upcoming storyline. What is happening?
  11. Deanie87

    You're The Worst

    This is my fear too. From the beginning, Jimmy has been shown as the more "stable" of the two and the one who was more interested in a traditional relationship and, proposal notwithstanding, the one who is probably more capable of sustaining a relationship. As much as I kind of got bored with the Gretchen show over the last couple of seasons, I really hope that they show a bit of growth from her before the marriage. I know that's not really what the show is about, but I worry that if they aren't endgame, it will be because Gretchen needs Jimmy to jump through hoops and fight for her again. The writers seem to prefer Gretchen as a character, and I can understand that as she does have more complex issues than Jimmy's arrogance and on again/off again commitment phobia, but I prefer Jimmy in many ways, so I hope that they can work things out in the end on a more equal level.
  12. So after reading a couple of reviews I am getting a bit nervous that the kids aren't going to make it. Most of the reviewers seem to like the way the series ends, but they call it very fitting for the characters, which makes me nervous LOL! Alan Sepinwall wrote, "Though the show is mostly rooting for Jimmy and Gretchen to get over themselves and make it work, it also doesn’t run from the idea that neither can be their best so long as they’re with the other." While, I'm not sure that I wholly agree with that, an argument could probably be made for it. I kind of think that they would just drag any other partner down to their level, and I"m not sure that any other partner who would put up with them would be much of a step up from what they have now. (Despite his terrible actions after the proposal, I still think that Jimmy has it together much more than Gretchen.) But having an ending that "fits" them could probably go either way. Anyway, I think that I will be bitterly disappointed if they don't get a reasonably happy ending, albeit on on their dysfunctional terms. Is there any final breakup scenario that would make you happy or at least satisfied?
  13. Deanie87

    You're the Worst in the media

    I don't think that this forum has a spoiler/speculation thread so I am going to create on to discuss some of the media reviews I've read.
  14. Deanie87

    S05.E01: The Intransigence of Love

    Yeah, the era confused me a little because Gretchen and Jimmy seem a little young for that time period. But the showrunner is 46 so all of the Generation X stuff must be fun for him to write and as a fellow GenXer I appreciated the nostalgia as well. Although I sprained my ankle from falling off the chair that I was dancing on during the Y2K festivities, but I digress. I will admit that despite the nostalgia I was getting a little impatient for Jimmy and Gretchen to show up and I may have squealed when they did, all grin-y and full of shit. Chris Geere normally isn't my physical type and Jimmy can be such a smug asshole, but he made me swoon this episode. From how good he looked in the jacket at the party to him describing their love story....*sigh.* I just hope that the end shot of the 90s couple getting married was some positive foreshadowing. I am really rooting for these two.
  15. Deanie87

    Season 5 Chat

    What the hell has happened to this show? It used to be funny and also able to make you think about issues without feeling "preached at." The history of black America was woven in naturally and I believed that real people talked the way that the Johnsons talked to one another. Same for the work people, but I will deal with them later. I felt it when Dre or Ruby or Pops would enlighten the kids (and the audience) about the culture or the struggles, and the way that they were able to transform very specific experiences into something universal. Now, it seems like the writers are following some kind Black History Month checklist with historical figures name dropped out of nowhere and episodes seem to exist solely to Impart a Lesson, and it comes across like a bad After School Special with points being driven home like a sledgehammer. And the characters aren't real characters anymore. Now they are either just vessels to impart the lesson of the week or the sum total of the characteristics and tics that used to make them funny and relatable, now jacked to 11 (looking at you Diane, Boss guy and Charlie). The work scenes are now unwatchable and offensive, and that is a real shame because they used to be my favorite part of the show. Not offensive because of the behavior of the boss and co-workers, because they are so beyond caricature at this point as to become meaningless. Its offensive because their behavior is so over the top that I imagine even the most hardened bigot being like "well, I mean, I can't be racist because even I know not to act like that (at least in public)." I know that its a comedy and its purpose has never been to change the hearts and minds of racists, but like many beloved television shows over the years, when it was done right, it might cause some viewers to engage in a little self-reflection or to learn some history, if nothing else. I can't imagine that's the case now. Beyond that, I am still Team Junior all the way, and Dre's wardrobe is giving me Cosby sweater flashbacks and that is very unfortunate.