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The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

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Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

Churchhoney
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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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GeeGolly

My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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It's so sad that a man had to rescue her from a life of skirts. Hopefully she's happy and living the life she wants, and not a new headship thing. I personally find anything away from JB major progress. The other sisters married total doofs. Just the fact that Jeremy said they weren't in a hurry for children, and here we are 6 months later? Even if she gets pregnant right now it's a big wow. What exactly is Jeremy's belief -- is natural family planning ok -- or is that F'ing with God's plan? I know what the Duggars think, but Jeremy pulled a fast one on them with the pants and shorts. 

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I just found this. I do beg your pardon if it has already been posted, but...

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/04/18/why-jinger-duggar-is-suddenly-allowed-to-wear-pants-her-husband-jeremy-vuolo-speaks-out/

The Holy Goalie has this to say:

"“It is your liberty as to whether you dress modestly with a modest pair of pants, or with a skirt, or with a T-shirt, or with a blouse,” Jeremy said during a December 18 sermon at Grace Community Church in Laredo, Texas. “It is not your liberty, women, to wear sensual, seductive clothing that is designed to draw the attention of your brothers.”"

He still sucks. And REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY needs to re-think his choice of words.

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Absolom

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2 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

What exactly is Jeremy's belief -- is natural family planning ok -- or is that F'ing with God's plan? I know what the Duggars think, but Jeremy pulled a fast one on them with the pants and shorts. 

I didn't listen to the whole pitch but the pastor at Jeremy's sending church is not opposed to all birth control.  Jeremy may well share the belief that not all birth control is evil or that families should have as many children as possible.

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lascuba

lascuba

1 hour ago, Aja said:

I just found this. I do beg your pardon if it has already been posted, but...

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/04/18/why-jinger-duggar-is-suddenly-allowed-to-wear-pants-her-husband-jeremy-vuolo-speaks-out/

The Holy Goalie has this to say:

"“It is your liberty as to whether you dress modestly with a modest pair of pants, or with a skirt, or with a T-shirt, or with a blouse,” Jeremy said during a December 18 sermon at Grace Community Church in Laredo, Texas. “It is not your liberty, women, to wear sensual, seductive clothing that is designed to draw the attention of your brothers.”"

He still sucks. And REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY needs to re-think his choice of words.

Oh, but I think he gave that word choice a hell of a lot of thought. He chose to make it clear that he is on board with the way the Duggars handled the molestations.

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mythoughtis

mythoughtis

I like the idea that Jinger wears pants on what appears to be a regular basis based on the number of photos we've seen. Not just a one and done thing. 

 

As to the sermon- their religion calls for modest dress. The parishioners are free to find a different church if they don't agree.   She's not in a burka, not wearing magic undergarments, nor covering her hair. Personally, I agree with a little decorum in what you wear. I, a female, really don't need to see your private parts exposed, or 'red carpet level 'barely covered. Having said that, wearing those types of things doesn't give anyone leave to touch you without permission. 

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Personally, it has always been very difficult for me to understand, even when I was an active part of a church, why the sight of bodies that God supposedly created are so distasteful, scary, disgusting, threatening and unacceptable. However, the fact that I don't understand a concept doesn't mean anything. There are literally millions of concepts in existence that I don't understand. It doesn't bother me; dress how you're comfortable.

However.

It will be a cold day in hell before I let some redneck stranger tell me what I'm at liberty to wear or not wear.

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mimionthebeach

mimionthebeach

2 hours ago, Aja said:

I just found this. I do beg your pardon if it has already been posted, but...

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/04/18/why-jinger-duggar-is-suddenly-allowed-to-wear-pants-her-husband-jeremy-vuolo-speaks-out/

The Holy Goalie has this to say:

"“It is your liberty as to whether you dress modestly with a modest pair of pants, or with a skirt, or with a T-shirt, or with a blouse,” Jeremy said during a December 18 sermon at Grace Community Church in Laredo, Texas. “It is not your liberty, women, to wear sensual, seductive clothing that is designed to draw the attention of your brothers.”"

He still sucks. And REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY needs to re-think his choice of words.

Incredibly creepy wording given his wife's childhood experiences.

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Aja

Aja

I wonder if it has ever once occurred to Jeremy that living his life in constant condemnation and harsh,  cruel judgement of others right down to the kind of top people want to wear might...I don't know, MIGHT...be an indication of Satan working his fortress magic? Since Jesus himself was all about "Judge not lest ye be judged, only Dad and I get to do that"? Or am I mistaken and the Bible actually says "Only Dad, I and white American fundies get to do that"?

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EmeraldGirl

EmeraldGirl

I'd actually even be ok if he had said the same thing about men tempting women. Not anything I believe in, but be an equal opportunity assbag. They must believe in it somewhat -- Duggar boys never wear shorts. Jeremy does, looks good, and never runs around shirtless or anything. So just SAY that. 

Sigh, just when I think I can get into this couple a teeny tiny bit. 

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latetotheparty

latetotheparty

1 hour ago, Aja said:

Personally, it has always been very difficult for me to understand, even when I was an active part of a church, why the sight of bodies that God supposedly created are so distasteful, scary, disgusting, threatening and unacceptable. However, the fact that I don't understand a concept doesn't mean anything. There are literally millions of concepts in existence that I don't understand. It doesn't bother me; dress how you're comfortable.

However.

It will be a cold day in hell before I let some redneck stranger tell me what I'm at liberty to wear or not wear.

I could like this a dozen times 

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toodles

toodles

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On 3/30/2017 at 0:40 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Emeraldgirl said-I'd actually even be ok if he had said the same thing about men tempting women. Not anything I believe in, but be an equal opportunity assbag.

 

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You mean like this?  I think this is a good example of his general assbaggery.

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louannems

louannems

 

This is not Jeremy preaching, but it's his church so he must agree with this nonsense!

 The sermon starts off promising, as the preacher reads a verse about mutual submission.  Then he veers off into a 40 minute talk of how mutual submission does not affect the wife.  She MUST OBEY AND SUBMIT to her husband at all times.  He repeats this over and over and over....  

The rest of the sermon is about wives having babies (and submission), and not having jobs (and submission), and not believing in feminism ( and submission), and not aborting your babies (and submission), rinse, repeat, until you fall asleep from boredom!

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Temperance

Temperance

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

Forgot Ephesians 5. I think that's where husbands are charged with loving their wives as Christ loved the Church and gave Himself up for her. 

Uhm, that's a pretty egregious omission.

Kind of. I looked it up yes, Ephesians chapter 5 has lines to the effect you mentioned. But it also has lines about wife's submitting and being obedient etc. 

I was thinking today that Amy was allowed to wear pants around the Duggars, even when they were at the most conservative. I bet the pants thing doesn't bother her parents as much as the fact she doesn't seem to be pregnant.  Her parents may even like that everyone thinks her wearing pants is shocking (and getting her/and the show press) when in reality they don't care that much. (Now that she is married and on her own.) 

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

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I only mentioned the husband part of Ephesians 5, since the pastor seemed to have the wife's submission bit pretty well covered. :)

I mean geez, it tells the husband to lay down his life for his wife if necessary. These "bible believing Christians" seem to tend to forget that part of the charge. 

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kalamac

kalamac

8 hours ago, Aja said:

I just found this. I do beg your pardon if it has already been posted, but...

http://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2017/04/18/why-jinger-duggar-is-suddenly-allowed-to-wear-pants-her-husband-jeremy-vuolo-speaks-out/

The Holy Goalie has this to say:

"“It is your liberty as to whether you dress modestly with a modest pair of pants, or with a skirt, or with a T-shirt, or with a blouse,” Jeremy said during a December 18 sermon at Grace Community Church in Laredo, Texas. “It is not your liberty, women, to wear sensual, seductive clothing that is designed to draw the attention of your brothers.”"

He still sucks. And REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY needs to re-think his choice of words.

From Matthew: "28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Maybe if they can't help but lust after women who don't meet their restrictive standards of modesty, instead of shaming the women into covering up, they could gouge out their own eyes.

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Sew Sumi

Sew Sumi

This guy is an assistant who fills in when Jeremy isn't there (which seems to be a lot). I wonder if Jeremy writes the sermons and this guy gives them, or if this sermon was written by the assistant pastor? I imagine if that was the case, Jeremy still had veto control over the message. It IS his church, after all; it's up to him to control the message. Right? 

Yes, I want to pin this on him if only to illustrate that Jinger is only free when compared to Gothardism in full flower, as it still is (for the most part) in Duggarville.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

11 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

This guy is an assistant who fills in when Jeremy isn't there (which seems to be a lot).

Yeah, and to show us more about the real nature of Jere-MEEEE, I looked all over the church website, and I couldn't find a single word about any other human being involved in that church except Jere-MEEEE. And there are paeans to Jer all over the place.

Meanwhile, he's constantly on vacation and other people -- this guy and others -- are clearly doing stuff to keep things going. Because not only do they list Sunday services but they list weekly activities on Wednesdays and Fridays -- and we know Jer's missed a lot of those days, too. Plus, of course, there are floors to be swept and trash to be emptied and lawns to be mowed. And we know Jere-MEEE isn't doing any of that. But if you read the website you hear only of him. It's another of those Duggar and Duggar-adjacent things that seem nearly pathological.

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ariel

ariel

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3 hours ago, Marigold said:

I just cannot stand Jeremy. 

I despise when people do whatever the hell they want, then have some religious experience and boss the rest of us around. 

 

I know the type.  They get to have fun when young, sew their wild oats &  they get through it a-ok. They get older, get very "moral" & don't want others to have any fun.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

20 hours ago, kalamac said:

From Matthew: "28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

Maybe if they can't help but lust after women who don't meet their restrictive standards of modesty, instead of shaming the women into covering up, they could gouge out their own eyes.

Maybe they ought to damage another body part, rather than an eye. And how do they know which eye is the sinning eye? Close one and see if they lust, then try the other?  ;)

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Marigold

Marigold

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Unpopular opinion alert!

Ben is a dope and all that.  But at least he has been consistent.      

Of course, Ben is younger but Jeremy was younger once too and he didn't seem all too Jesusy judging from that picture, his tat and his drunk arrest. I'm sure he has bedded down a few girls. Plus, he appears to be quite impressed with himself. 

Jeremy has partied, had some religious experience and is now an expert in Godly Living 101.  Gimme a break. (eye roll)    

I prefer Ben to Jeremy. (Ok, that's not saying much but...this is the Duggars).  Benny talks a fundie game but at least he is consistent.  Those are his beliefs and while we might not agree, he appears to stick by them.

JereME?  I feel he is all about what is good for him. 

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