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MargeGunderson

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I went to divinity school back in the day and it was no joke. I was not in the M.Div program, but most of my friends were and it was really tough. My area of interest was feminist theology but I switched to American religious history, specifically 20th century religious and social movements. At this point most of it  is a vague memory, but it was the beginning of my interest in Mormonism, especially the fundamentalist strain (not as a practitioner of course). At a minimum Jeremy should be able to articulate his theological beliefs in an intelligent and accessible way. I say he’s got quite a way to go on that front. Also, if there is a remedial preaching class, he should sign up.

After that I got my master’s in library science - hello fellow librarians! My experience was similar to @Ohiopirate02. After divinity school, library school was a walk in the park. 

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GeeGolly
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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

Churchhoney
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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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What I wonder is whether he'll stop his commercially driven "influencing" once he has a church job again?

Because, if not, at that point it'll pass tacky and at least mildly inappropriate and become very very unethical, in my opinion.  You don't use a position of such trust and influence as a commercial advertising platform from which you glean personal gifts, whether they be money or trifles like lullaby cds.

I really hope he knows this or figures it out soon. Or his father tells him while hitting him upside the head or something.  But in my opinion a lot of people who've already officially been in the ministry and are now seminarians would consider it as inappropriate as it seems to me. Whereas Jer is clearly full speed ahead.

And he was already doing it back when he proudly proclaims he was the young leader of the Laredo church. So no ethical qualms about whether his undue influence might spur people to spend money they shouldn't had occurred to him at that point, obviously. 

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Oldernowiser

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9 minutes ago, Barb23 said:

Thanks, didn't notice them. But I can't imagine working out in a turtleneck either.  Maybe if you are biking in 60° weather a turtleneck would be OK  but doing a workout in one that's all up around my neck, just No. 

Good point. But I suspect he wears it because it makes him look all athleticky and they have the AC on 65 because global warming is a hoax.

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fonfereksglen

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1 hour ago, Barb23 said:

Thanks, didn't notice them. But I can't imagine working out in a turtleneck either.  Maybe if you are biking in 60° weather a turtleneck would be OK  but doing a workout in one that's all up around my neck, just No. 

It's a wicking fabric.  So it doesn't matter the temp or how much you sweat.  

Though I'm sure he is only thinking he looks good with his child/prop.

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Barb23

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1 hour ago, Absolom said:

If they took the photo yesterday it was in the 50s when we woke up 20 to 30 minutes from the Vuolos probably live.

41 minutes ago, fonfereksglen said:

It's a wicking fabric.  So it doesn't matter the temp or how much you sweat.  

Though I'm sure he is only thinking he looks good with his child/prop.

I can't stand turtlenecks no matter the temp or type of fabric.  It's just me. I don't like the closed up feeling around my neck. I get antsy just thinking about a loose cowl neck top. Lol. 

I  was just snarking on the contrast of clothing between  Rev. Fancypants & Felicity. I'm old, so turtlenecks mean winter clothing to me. 

ETA:  At least this picture is better posed.  Sure beats Jill's picture of sam with his droopy drawers. 

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xwordfanatik

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1 hour ago, allonsyalice said:

Jinger 100% edits these photos to make Felicity’s eyes seem blue  

I don't doubt you, but why would she do that?  Baaaaabe's eyes are brown (or hazel?), and he is God's gift to women and babies, isn't he?  

Never mind, let's just say he's God's gift to humanity.  😜

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Zella

Zella

45 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

I don't doubt you, but why would she do that?  Baaaaabe's eyes are brown (or hazel?), and he is God's gift to women and babies, isn't he?  

Never mind, let's just say he's God's gift to humanity.  😜

He's like Jim Jones. Has to be all things to all people. 😂🤣😂

Actually, I take that back. Jones was at least a good speaker. 

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BradandJanet

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On 8/21/2019 at 2:31 PM, QuinnInND said:

Wonder if Jeremy is reading here. There have been comments about the challenging course of study that he doesn't seem to have time to be doing. Boom. Photo of the title page of Ancient Greek for Dummies. (no offense to the author of the book or to anyone who reads ancient Greek)

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leighdear

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Taking a few social outing photos per week doesn't mean studying doesn't get done.  Unlike other Duggers & adjacents we've seen, Jeremy may not need much sleep and has plenty of time for the required studying. 

Since my teen years, I've only needed about 5-6 hours per night to function very well.  And I'm a morning person who is up at 5 almost every day, weekends included. 

18 holes of golf on a Friday morning usually takes about 4 hours or so, with a traditional foursome.  And with a 7am Tee time, which is my husband's preferred slot, he's home well before lunchtime.  So that hobby isn't necessarily sucking up much time and isn't necessarily new.  Jeremy may have been playing since college, just didn't have folks in Laredo to play with.   

Their variety of activities, locations and associations are SO much more interesting to me to see than anybody they're related to.  But hey, some may prefer looking at photos of Jessa's nasty house and Jill's disgusting food.  

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Churchhoney

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2 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

When I was in grad school I took one evening off a week. Other than that it was class, lab, studying, eating while studying and sleeping. Oh and I went to the gym for one hour twice a week. That’s it.

This “master’s course” he’s taking must be utter cake.

Well, it won't be if he really has to learn to read New Testament Greek and Hebrew. And that's not something you can leave till the end of the semester and then whip out one great paper with two all-nighters as many people do.  

As we know, language study doesn't work that way. And these are both languages that are a little different from the ones we're all most used to.

 So if the school actually means it when they require them to learn these, that'll be a lot of work -- just as a basis. .And they take 10 courses in language, so that means some semesters you'd be taking two language courses.  

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fonfereksglen

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44 minutes ago, leighdear said:

Taking a few social outing photos per week doesn't mean studying doesn't get done.  Unlike other Duggers & adjacents we've seen, Jeremy may not need much sleep and has plenty of time for the required studying. 

Since my teen years, I've only needed about 5-6 hours per night to function very well.  And I'm a morning person who is up at 5 almost every day, weekends included. 

18 holes of golf on a Friday morning usually takes about 4 hours or so, with a traditional foursome.  And with a 7am Tee time, which is my husband's preferred slot, he's home well before lunchtime.  So that hobby isn't necessarily sucking up much time and isn't necessarily new.  Jeremy may have been playing since college, just didn't have folks in Laredo to play with.   

Their variety of activities, locations and associations are SO much more interesting to me to see than anybody they're related to.  But hey, some may prefer looking at photos of Jessa's nasty house and Jill's disgusting food.  

You can only golf as fast as the foursome in front of you.  JerJer's swing was that of a novice sucking up to his superior.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I looked the book up, less than 300 pages. It has 17 lessons. Not sure how someone can learn this in 17 lessons.

Fun fact: 

Author Bio

David Alan Black is professor of New Testament and Greek at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. An avid horseman, he and his wife live on a 123-acre working farm in southern Virginia and are self-supporting missionaries to Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and Ethiopia.

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, leighdear said:

Their variety of activities, locations and associations are SO much more interesting to me to see than anybody they're related to.  But hey, some may prefer looking at photos of Jessa's nasty house and Jill's disgusting food.  

Thinking Jeremy's most likely a vain delusional ignoramus doesn't in the least stop me from thinking Jessa and Jill are vain delusional ignoramuses too!

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Ohiopirate02

Ohiopirate02

49 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm guessing its not, but does anyone else think the book looks like a book for a 10 year?

In my experience,  most language books look like textbooks for kids, but the material is a lot harder.  For a language like ancient Greek, its going to look like a primer because it is.  Jeremy has to learn a whole new alphabet. 

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I looked the book up, less than 300 pages. It has 17 lessons. Not sure how someone can learn this in 17 lessons.

Fun fact: 

Author Bio

David Alan Black is professor of New Testament and Greek at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. An avid horseman, he and his wife live on a 123-acre working farm in southern Virginia and are self-supporting missionaries to Mecklenburg County, Virginia, and Ethiopia.

The book seems to be sold as the intro book -- The publisher says it's supposed "to prepare them to read and understand the original Greek text of the New Testament."

I expect they're assuming that these divinity students mostly aren't people who've done a lot of in-depth study of languages and grammar and the like, so they need a very clear, straightforward explanation of the various kinds of words and kinds of grammar rules New Testament Greek employs......And a Greek book that doesn't mess with things you don't need to focus on unless you wanted to read some other literature in Greek. That's why you'd have a book especially written for divinity students.

 And this book gets reviewed by a lot of people as one that gives a clear and simple explanation that still gets you there. It's written so that people who aren't language scholars and don't have ambitions to read Aristophanes or Plato or whatever can nevertheless learn how the language works and start trying to read biblical Greek. 

This is likely their first-year book or even just the first-semester book -- and then after that you'd go on to read texts and learn more vocabulary and really experience how the grammar works in practice and how you use it to determine meaning.  (Those are the three or four other Greek courses he'll have to take after this one.)

Here are the chapters/lessons. And they do lay out the whole basic structure of the language. I studied ancient Greek in college. And while reading Homer or Sophocles or whatever is a lot harder than reading the newer Greek of the New Testament, to get through the full outline of the grammar that's in this book so that it was useful to you, you'd have to memorize and conceptually grasp a lot of stuff. And a lot of American divinity students aren't going to have the first idea of what a "declension" or the "optative mood" is when they start. 

Depending on how they test them, this is a lot of work. And then they have to move on to actual texts......Of course, maybe over the years  you might figure it's not worth testing them on any of the hard stuff! Hard to tell. it would still look good on the resume. 

I expect they do want them to learn it, however. And then they have to go on to learn some Hebrew as well. It's work. 

Contents

About This Book

From Author to Reader

Preface to Expanded Edition

Preface to Third Edition

1. The Letters and Sounds of Greek

2. The Greek Verb System

3. Present and Future Active Indicative

4. Nouns of theSecond Declension

5. Nouns of the First Declension

6. Adjectives of the First and Second Declensions

7. Imperfect and Aorist Active Indicative

8. Additional Prepositions

9. Personal Pronouns

10. Perfect and Pluperfect Active Indicative

11. Demonstrative Pronouns

12. Present Middle and Passive Indicative

13. Perfect Middle and Passive, Future Middle Indicative

14. Imperfect Middle and Passive, Aorist Middle, and Pluperfect Middle and Passive Indicative

15. Aorist and Future Passive Indicative

16. Review of the Indicative Mood

17. Nouns of the Third Declension

18. Adjectives, Pronouns, and Numerals of the First and Third Declensions

19. Contract and Liquid Verbs

20. Participles (Verbal Adjectives)

21. Infinitives (Verbal Nouns)

22. Additional Pronouns

23. The Subjunctive Mood

24. The Imperative and Optative Moods

25. The Conjugation of -μι Verbs

26. Reading Your Greek New Testament

Epilogue: The Next Step

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fonfereksglen

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35 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The book seems to be sold as the intro book -- The publisher says it's supposed "to prepare them to read and understand the original Greek text of the New Testament."

I expect they're assuming that these divinity students mostly aren't people who've done a lot of in-depth study of languages and grammar and the like, so they need a very clear, straightforward explanation of the various kinds of words and kinds of grammar rules New Testament Greek employs......And a Greek book that doesn't mess with things you don't need to focus on unless you wanted to read some other literature in Greek. That's why you'd have a book especially written for divinity students.

 And this book gets reviewed by a lot of people as one that gives a clear and simple explanation that still gets you there. It's written so that people who aren't language scholars and don't have ambitions to read Aristophanes or Plato or whatever can nevertheless learn how the language works and start trying to read biblical Greek. 

This is likely their first-year book or even just the first-semester book -- and then after that you'd go on to read texts and learn more vocabulary and really experience how the grammar works in practice and how you use it to determine meaning.  (Those are the three or four other Greek courses he'll have to take after this one.)

Here are the chapters/lessons. And they do lay out the whole basic structure of the language. I studied ancient Greek in college. And while reading Homer or Sophocles or whatever is a lot harder than reading the newer Greek of the New Testament, to get through the full outline of the grammar that's in this book so that it was useful to you, you'd have to memorize and conceptually grasp a lot of stuff. And a lot of American divinity students aren't going to have the first idea of what a "declension" or the "optative mood" is when they start. 

Depending on how they test them, this is a lot of work. And then they have to move on to actual texts......Of course, maybe over the years  you might figure it's not worth testing them on any of the hard stuff! Hard to tell. it would still look good on the resume. 

I expect they do want them to learn it, however. And then they have to go on to learn some Hebrew as well. It's work. 

Contents

About This Book

From Author to Reader

Preface to Expanded Edition

Preface to Third Edition

1. The Letters and Sounds of Greek

2. The Greek Verb System

3. Present and Future Active Indicative

4. Nouns of theSecond Declension

5. Nouns of the First Declension

6. Adjectives of the First and Second Declensions

7. Imperfect and Aorist Active Indicative

8. Additional Prepositions

9. Personal Pronouns

10. Perfect and Pluperfect Active Indicative

11. Demonstrative Pronouns

12. Present Middle and Passive Indicative

13. Perfect Middle and Passive, Future Middle Indicative

14. Imperfect Middle and Passive, Aorist Middle, and Pluperfect Middle and Passive Indicative

15. Aorist and Future Passive Indicative

16. Review of the Indicative Mood

17. Nouns of the Third Declension

18. Adjectives, Pronouns, and Numerals of the First and Third Declensions

19. Contract and Liquid Verbs

20. Participles (Verbal Adjectives)

21. Infinitives (Verbal Nouns)

22. Additional Pronouns

23. The Subjunctive Mood

24. The Imperative and Optative Moods

25. The Conjugation of -μι Verbs

26. Reading Your Greek New Testament

Epilogue: The Next Step

Number 25.....🤔

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xwordfanatik

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38 minutes ago, Madtown said:

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Do the Vuolos ever mention a product of any kind, without some benefit to themselves?

ETA:  this looks like a Fisher-Price plastic set from the 80's.  I suspect this newer version is a few times more expensive.

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