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Those were some awful, awful covers of those songs. Belle, Circle of Life, even Part of Your World. It was distracting to the point where I couldn't even enjoy the actual performance.

 

Like "Belle" was so awkward and choppy. I love that song. It's my favorite underrated Disney song, so maybe the issue is that I know it so well so I caught all the awkward jumps in the 5-minute song. I guess they really wanted to get the Val as Gaston moment, but there had to be a better way. I understand the criticism of their "messing about"- but after the set up, they did spend the rest of the dance in hold. It's not sitting on a bench for the first 30 seconds of the song, hold for 10 seconds, running around the floor, spin, messing with the animation, etc. I don't think it's necessarily fair that Len called out Nyle for the bongo solo when it clearly worked with the song, and not Ginger's intro, but I think he tends to overlook it more when they give him enough traditional ballroom content in the rest of the dance.

 

I feel like Witney was the star of Von's dance, not him. Even all the judges' commentary was about how good she looked. The point is to showcase the star, not the pro, and obviously whoever is Cinderella is going to be the standout. Prince Charming is already the most useless Disney prince ever and Von basically stood there and let Witney twirl circles around him in her light-up dress. Why didn't they have one of the female stars (Marla, Kim, Jodie, Paige, anyone) as Cinderella instead of giving a male star the Disney princess dance?

 

What was with Paige's spray can red hair? It looked like Halloween in middle school. Why didn't they just give her a real red wig? Of leave her blonde hair alone? All the money and production that went into tonight and it looked like a cheap afterthought, especially ironic as Mark was praising the wardrobe, hair and make-up.

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That is only because she was a professional dancer before the show began. She was a professional dancer for 12 years before coming on DWTS. Not really the purpose of the show to have professional dancers compete. Thank God she lost to Kelly Pickler. 

Seriously? She was a 4 year old professional dancer? Kellie Pickler with her cheerleading and dance team had way more experience! Not to mention this season's Paige who actually danced competitively until she was 12 and took up cheerleading after!

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Did someone from Disney tell some (but not all) of the cast/judges to pronounce Ariel as air-ree-ELLE (as opposed to AIR-ree-elle as everyone but Sebastian pronounced it in the movie)? I was trying to figure out why Erin, CAI, and Marla were putting the accent on the last syllable.

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I understand the criticism of their "messing about"-

 

It feels hypocritical for the judges to criticize too much "messing about" when the show goes out of its way to set up a theme like "Disney Night" and all the pairs are expected to not only dress up like iconic Disney characters but act out some kind of scene from the Disney films. Surely the show doesn't expect the dancers to just dress up like Cinderella, Belle, Tarzan, etc. and then just go out there and do a traditional dance. They expect and promote the showmanship when they do these themes. I think Ginger and Val got away with a little too much "messing about" but otherwise I think the judges should shut it if the show isn't serious about ballroom anyway.

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Seriously? She was a 4 year old professional dancer? Kellie Pickler with her cheerleading and dance team had way more experience! Not to mention this season's Paige who actually danced competitively until she was 12 and took up cheerleading after!

Yeah Zendaya's past dance experience was nothing the show hasn't encountered before. That alone would not be reason to dislike her. I didn't like how overly praised she was to the point where Val even flat-out lied about having no hip-hop experience and being SOOo intimidated by this style that he was going to have the great Zendaya teaching him! GMAFB. I also couldn't stand her constant duck-faced mugging which she did last night as well, along with drawing attention to herself at the expense of the dancers actually competing. I also don't like kids competing amongst otherwise adult competitions in general. She really wasn't such a revelation that it didn't have its drawbacks, yet they never acknowledged that and only praised her to the high heavens for being so talented beyond her years. 

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The guest judges usually provide little actual critiques. She's a very mature teen and didn't mind her a bit being there.

So that Cinderella dress....wow! It was unbelievable. I didn't watch Vonn at all because I was memorized by the damn dress! Lol

Wanya won the night for me. He can do no wrong.

I adore Beauty and the Beast , lumiere is the greatest Disney character ever (RIP Jerry Orbach!). So I enjoyed the dance but it wasn't the best ever.

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Paige is the best female contestant, but she and Mark really don't seem to get along. I think that could hurt her chances. Perhaps he was hoping to get eliminated early in the season?

I'm sorry, but I don't get at all where you see this. Mark looks super happy with Paige this season and Paige, while maybe not as demonstrative as Mark, is affectionate with him and speaks of how well they work together.

And I personally have not seen many "not connecting" comments about Paige. Definitely not like the way people used to talk about Nastia L. or Bethany M. (both of whom I liked just fine).

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What was with Paige's spray can red hair? It looked like Halloween in middle school. Why didn't they just give her a real red wig? Of leave her blonde hair alone? All the money and production that went into tonight and it looked like a cheap afterthought, especially ironic as Mark was praising the wardrobe, hair and make-up.

The makeup department has some odd ideas with about red on this show. I remember when they had Bethany Mota as Lucille Ball, and they just added tufts of red fun fur at random places throughout her hair.

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Ginger reminds me of Maria Menounous, great enthusiasm, and maybe the producers want another Melissa Rycroft or Erin Andrews in the stable to do an announcing gig, or maybe host a live tour. She probably deserves top 4 or 5 but I can see the show pushing her into top 3 to ensure she has dance cred for future hosting duties. She did well on the Foxtrot the little bit we saw.

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The makeup department has some odd ideas with about red on this show. I remember when they had Bethany Mota as Lucille Ball, and they just added tufts of red fun fur at random places throughout her hair.

Ha, no kidding. It just seems weird that the hair/makeup people are obviously fine with using wigs (see: Jasmine wig for the Aladdin dance) but Paige just got some weird pale red sprayed into her hair.
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Thoughts on contestants for week 4 (in alphabetical order):

 

Ginger & Val – thought the intro with the production, storybook characters, Ginger's timely facial expression all set a nice scene.  Ginger came alive and it seemed she really enjoyed the counter-clockwise fountain section with the others, including a small moment she shared with the couple next to her.  Thought her posture needed slight work (on stage) and that she needed to lighten her left grip on Val's arm in hold.  Nonetheless, it was a fun routine to watch and hope to see Ginger continue to grow.

 

Jodie & Keo –  It was a nice, light and cheeky cha cha performance.  Think it's good that Keo kept Jodie in hold as often as possible (and to correct her) and nice recovery by Jodie to continue on halfway (despite offtime start).   Agree with Bruno; still would like to see Jodie imagining herself in the comfort of her room and letting go without having to think about the steps.  Hoping she can produce the necessary body swing needed for the drive in the upcoming ballrooms (esp waltz and viennese waltz).

 

Nyle & Peta – nice to see the flip and to know he's acrobatic.  Liked his hips at the beginning in the walks with Peta moving diagonally across the floor.  As time went on, I felt he started to lose the hip action a bit and that he needed to push into the wood some more; stationary walks were a bit ok (relative to package) but didn't seem polished.  Nonetheless, thought the percussion beat on the barrels was on cue and that it was nice to see him carryout the samba roll with Peta. 

 

Paige & Mark – it was a nice jump at the start.  Thought Paige was light on her feet, that there were lots of tricky footwork and that the couple was able to move well around the room.  Was hoping Paige could've kept her left elbow up when in hold and that she should've pushed off of Mark a bit so she could produce a better frame (towards the end of routine, as she was wrapped around Mark).  There were lots of things that could've gone wrong but thought they produced a nice number.

 

Wanya & Lindsay – thought it was an interesting take on the samba.  Think Wanya did well with the variety of samba steps and coped well with the difficulty of them.  I like how he was able to transition his body rhythm from the original song version to the new arrangement at the beginning.  Still would like to see him perform to a slow, stripped-down song (with no fancy arrangements), but its nice knowing that one can expect to be treated to a nice performance come Wanya's turn.

 

 

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Ha, no kidding. It just seems weird that the hair/makeup people are obviously fine with using wigs (see: Jasmine wig for the Aladdin dance) but Paige just got some weird pale red sprayed into her hair.

In the close-up shots that Paige posted on her instagram, I thought it looked quite pretty - much better than some of those funky wigs that the hair people put on the women.  https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEXeW9wINU/  I think it hinted at the red hair of the character she was portraying without going overboard.

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I only really watch this show with my mom, who lives in a retirement community, so I am usually mostly clueless about who these people are, what's going on, etc.  I had no idea who the heck Ginger Zee was, and it (sorry, Ginger!) sounded like such a porn star name that I decided to google her.  Turns out she's... 35?  I honestly (no joke) thought she was 50.  Am I the only one?  Maybe it was the makeup (like I said, I don't watch regularly).  But sheesh. 

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In the close-up shots that Paige posted on her instagram, I thought it looked quite pretty - much better than some of those funky wigs that the hair people put on the women. https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEXeW9wINU/ I think it hinted at the red hair of the character she was portraying without going overboard.

I think it felt odd because nothing else about that dance was subtle. With the giant toy box and the blocks and the army men, I might have even gone all out and given her a yarn wig, to match the styling of everything around her.

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In the close-up shots that Paige posted on her instagram, I thought it looked quite pretty - much better than some of those funky wigs that the hair people put on the women.  https://www.instagram.com/p/BEEXeW9wINU/  I think it hinted at the red hair of the character she was portraying without going overboard.

As anyone who has used that Halloween store spray will attest, it flakes out if you look at it too hard. So while it may have looked nice in those pics before the show, the second she started moving around, 90% of it probably came out and she was left with just the awkward smudges in her part that we saw on TV.

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Pure DWTS has the switch-up partners posted if anyone is interested. Blech. I've always wondered why they keep doing the switch-ups every season when that week ALWAYS seems to get the worst ratings. I just hope we don't have to watch Doug stomp around anymore, but he's getting Peta, so she's probably going to help him out. Jodie is going to be helped out by Val, as well. Hmmm....Kim is getting Keo, who has probably never done a switch-up. She could be in some trouble. 

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Keo and Kim is going to be quite a height difference. not that a pro can't make that work (Witney has been doing her best with Von so far) but its just one more thing to deal with in an already weird week.

 

I'm not looking forward to Switch-up Week either. We maybe get one or two dances a season that are very strong but for it we got a whole bunch of bleh dances. Maybe this year with a stronger field it will be better.

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Huh...interesting because I think Switch-Up tends to produce some really good dances and I am always interested in seeing what one Pro brings out of another Pro's celebrity. Yes sometimes the switched pairings don't work so well but sometimes they produce something really amazing. YMMV of course. 

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Huh...interesting because I think Switch-Up tends to produce some really good dances and I am always interested in seeing what one Pro brings out of another Pro's celebrity. Yes sometimes the switched pairings don't work so well but sometimes they produce something really amazing. YMMV of course.

I don't like the whining and conspiracy theories switch up week creates but Val and Meryl created a top-three-of-all-seasons-dance, IMO.

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Whining and conspiracy theories are the backbone of watching this show for some viewers - particularly the ones who post on forums like these. What would a reality show be without the conspiracy theorists?

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Switch-up is always a mixed bag, I thought the one in season 19 was a total wash for example. The dances weren't all that and the judges had been given some instructions to be weirdly mean, it was just tedious to watch. 18 and 21 were interesting enough. Some of the pairings this time around look decent on paper. Kim and Keo seems awkward...the height difference will be great, Kim isn't the strongest dancer around and seems like a contestant that might a bit of help from her pro, I'm not sure Keo knows how to provide that yet. There's a danger she might fade into the background IMO.Paige seems about the only one short enough to get Sasha, so that's predictable as well. Sharna should do fine with Nyle. Wanya is stronger than Von, interesting to see what Witney produces with him. She's been a bit lacklustre so far this season IMO. Val should do a nice paso with Jodie, hopefully her marks are higher this week. Also curious about Ginger and Mark, Val has seemed hesitant to do anything too challenging with her.

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Yeah Zendaya's past dance experience was nothing the show hasn't encountered before. That alone would not be reason to dislike her. I didn't like how overly praised she was to the point where Val even flat-out lied about having no hip-hop experience and being SOOo intimidated by this style that he was going to have the great Zendaya teaching him! GMAFB. I also couldn't stand her constant duck-faced mugging which she did last night as well, along with drawing attention to herself at the expense of the dancers actually competing. I also don't like kids competing amongst otherwise adult competitions in general. She really wasn't such a revelation that it didn't have its drawbacks, yet they never acknowledged that and only praised her to the high heavens for being so talented beyond her years. 

 

 

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Pure DWTS has the switch-up partners posted if anyone is interested. Blech. I've always wondered why they keep doing the switch-ups every season when that week ALWAYS seems to get the worst ratings. I just hope we don't have to watch Doug stomp around anymore, but he's getting Peta, so she's probably going to help him out. Jodie is going to be helped out by Val, as well. Hmmm....Kim is getting Keo, who has probably never done a switch-up. She could be in some trouble.

I am not sure that Peta will give Doug any more of a boost than his usual routines with Karina. Doesn't Peta have a pretty less than stellar switch up week record? I have a vague recollection of her in tears backstage after Charlie's rumba went over poorly and then she had that awful Jitterbug full of tricks with Jonathan who was barely able to complete any of them safely.

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Yes! In addition to that, TeeMo, Doug and Peta were given Tango, not the easier choice of Cha Cha. I don't think Doug could pull off a respectable Tango with Karina, so I don't expect one with someone who I find to be a lesser teacher and choreographer.

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Should the switch-up week discussion move into Week 5's thread? Or The Speculation thread?

 

I think the switch pairings will help Jodie and Ginger, and hurt Kim.

 

Jodie needs help, because I don't think Keo really knows how to sell her like the longtime pros have learned. Next week could be a huge confidence boost for her. Can't wait for all the "It's a copy of Maks and Meryl's tango!" "It's a copy of Val and Janel's paso!" comments because they're dancing to Calvin Harris and like, wear black, or have lights.

 

Ginger is kind of coasting and Mark could push her to take it to another level- and ramp up Val's competition with Mark when he gets her back. Kind of like Maks with Meryl.

 

Kim is already middling, and being paired with Keo instead of a "popular" pro- especially at this point in the competition- will do her no favors.

 

I feel like Sharna and Nyle will struggle, since communication is such a huge part of the rapport in their dances. Will be curious to see Paige do a rumba with Sasha, since I feel like I've never been a fan of Mark's "slow" dances.

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I re-watched some of the dances last night and Antonio was really over-scored. The first time I watched it, I was impressed. The second time, not so much. He kept up with the troupe pretty well but the moves were pretty basic. And the time he actually spent dancing with Sharna was minimal and also very simplistic. 35 was way too high - he should have gotten straight 8s at best.

 

I was also more annoyed by Ginger and Val's routine the second time around. The first 30 seconds of that number didn't even involve any dancing. When you compare what she had to do to Nyle or Von or Kim or almost anyone else it's astounding she got praised so much. She danced for maybe 30 seconds tops.

 

I thought Nyle actually had one of the more difficult routines compared to some of the others and was a little under-scored but it won't hurt him. And I still can't see what huge mistakes Jodie supposedly made! The dance looked fine as far as I could tell, although the camera kept cutting back to a long shot in order to get the animated figure in the frame, which was annoying. But the parts I could see well all looked fine. Where exactly did she go wrong?

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I thought Jodie was underscored.  Even with mistakes, she did a lot more dancing than Doug.  I don't see why Len gave them the same score.  Doug's dance was painful to watch.  Dancing side by side with Karina really showed his lack of technique.  They had obvious stops between tricks/lifts as they were setting up or getting out of them.

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And I still can't see what huge mistakes Jodie supposedly made! The dance looked fine as far as I could tell, although the camera kept cutting back to a long shot in order to get the animated figure in the frame, which was annoying. But the parts I could see well all looked fine. Where exactly did she go wrong?

 

If you watch on the video in the recap, :43-:49 is the part that looked awkward to me, like she might have turned in the wrong direction or forgotten something and then had to rush to catch back up to where she should be. There may have been other mistakes the judges saw in those ridiculously wide shots where the home audience can barely see the dancing.

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Yeah there have been times when the judges mention mistakes and I honestly never saw what they saw but it was clear, in my opinion, that something went wrong. It started okay but then there was a point where it seemed she almost turned the wrong way before Keo directed her in the right direction and from then she kind of got in her head and never truly got it back. I think that's why CAI asked her what happened. Because while there was no visible fall or stumble, etc. it was clear that something just got very awkward and off in the dance, IMO.

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What was with Paige's spray can red hair? It looked like Halloween in middle school. Why didn't they just give her a real red wig? Of leave her blonde hair alone? All the money and production that went into tonight and it looked like a cheap afterthought, especially ironic as Mark was praising the wardrobe, hair and make-up.

Haha, I agree! It would have been fine with her blond hair.  Nyle's tarzan wig gave me the biggest case of second-hand embarrassment this week though.

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:28-:31 is another part of Jodie's dance where Keo kind of grabs her and twists her into position, which may have been choreographed or may have been a mistake, but either way looked awkward to me. The section I mentioned above, you can see Jodie say, "Oh!" and then get right back into smiling, but her steps are still off for a few seconds.

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The camera cut to Tony and Marla after her dance, and they had pained looks on their faces. I thought they were being unsportsmanlike, but after Jodie talked about her mistakes, I think they were sad and/or disappointed that she messed up. I guess it was noticeable to people who were closer to her, although I didn't notice it on TV.

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The camera cut to Tony and Marla after her dance, and they had pained looks on their faces. I thought they were being unsportsmanlike, but after Jodie talked about her mistakes, I think they were sad and/or disappointed that she messed up. I guess it was noticeable to people who were closer to her, although I didn't notice it on TV.

I was momentarily surprised by that, but then I realized Marla was saying "what a shame," or "that's a shame" as the camera cut to them, so yeah, their concern was for Jodie, not themselves. Whatever happened must have come across worse in the studio than it did at home.

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It didn’t seem fair that only Keo and Jodie were burdened with the added distraction of animation for the entirety of their dance.

 

The production numbers were well done (except for the awful singing)  but overwhelmed some of the star duos.  I realized after Antonio’s dance that I barely noticed him.

 

Nyle's percussion moves were impressive.  I’m always surprised, whenever they marvel at how he does it, he always says “I just watch Peta” and Peta usually says something that doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but nobody ever seems to give Nyle credit for what must be an amazing natural sense of rhythm and timing.  Peta is not in his view every moment.

 

I just loved Wanya and thought the lion costume looked surprisingly suitable doing samba moves.  I wondered how warm that outfit was!

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I threw all my (and my husband's) votes to Jodie because I felt she did well considering her issues hearing the music. I just feel like Keo is not a great pro and I am curious to see how she does during Switch Up week with a different pro.

Poor Jodie!  She has much more ability than her partnership with keo allows for her to develop.  I don't know what it is with him, but I saw him in the DWTS tour last year and noticed this problem even in his pro partnering.  It was almost distracting how unaware of and unconnected to his partners he seemed to be.  His solo work was better.  Adding to this impression, I'd say that in his 4 seasons on DWTS he's a terrible choreographer, not a good teacher, and not a good partner. 

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I kept waiting for Len to deliver a zinger to someone Monday night for not enough content or too much fluff and I was denied.  I get that it was disney night and that its supposed to be magical, but a lot of those dances left me very underwhelmed and feeling like they were overscored.  

 

Doug really should have gone home. Period.  I'm not a fan of temper tantrums and don't really care for Karina.

 

I really disliked how every week they introduced Marla as the former mrs. donald trump.  I feel like that hurt her in the long run.  I did actually like the pairing of her and Tony, and wish she would have stayed around another week or two.  Yes, I think he could have given her some more complicated choreography, but we won't have that chance now.  

 

I really like Jodie and I am looking forward to switch up week for her sake.  She and Keo have NO chemistry.  Though, I've never felt like Keo has chemistry with anyone.  I'd prefer to see her with ANY of the remaining male pros.   Jodie has potential but imho not with Keo.

 

Antonio and Ginger were both over scored for me.  To Antonio and Sharna's credit, at least he had more dance content in his routine.  I wish there wouldn't have been so much crap at the beginning of Ginger and Val's dance.  It had potential to be a lot better than it was with some more actual dance content.   

 

Wanya/Lindsey and Nyle/Peta by far my favorite performances of the night.  They were both having fun and while there were somethings they each could have done differently they seemed like solid routines.

 

Kim/Sasha and Paige/Mark I really like this pairings.  I enjoy that Sasha and Mark give their partners a lot of content and they go for it.  They seem like a great teachers and the ladies give it all they've got.

 

Von/Whitney,  I want to like them more than I actually do but I can't.   

 

I couldn't stand the guest judge and was like so happy when that was like over.

 

I cannot stand Erin Andrews.  She needs to go.

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It really sucks that Jodie is with Keo. I wanted to like him during these past few years, but now he's messing with a contestant I grew up watching and respected.

 

Really looking forward to her dance with Val.

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I'm really concerned for Kim in the next couple of weeks. I think any other pro would be able to help push her, and improve her dancing quite a bit, but I think Keo will only hinder her, and she could be going home after Doug.

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It didn’t seem fair that only Keo and Jodie were burdened with the added distraction of animation for the entirety of their dance.

 

And in past "Disney Nights" about half the couples had to dance to animation - not just one of them. 

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Is the animation visible to the dancers while they are performing?

I always thought only the TV viewers could see the animation, or the people in the ballroom if they were looking up at the screen projection or on the TV monitors.

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I have to catch up with the season, but couldn't miss Disney night--always my favorite. The quality of contestants overall seems very high, even though I'm not sure who all the celebs are.

 

I -do- know Doug from his college football years and was surprised that he seems to have an attitude issue here. I thought that was why Tom told him, "You're safe!" to try to get him out of "bitchface". (Nice try. Didn't work).

 

I wish he'd gone over Marla. It was so nice to see a graceful, capable competitor in her fifties. I'm sad to say that the aspects of her dances that were forgettable, I attribute to Tony's unimaginative choreography. I guess his heart isn't in it, but it would have been fun to see if she could have kept up with a more challenging partner.

 

Jodie's one whom I don't know, but I felt sorry for her to be paired with my least favorite pro, Keo. I used to criticize Mark for making dances focus too much on him (Love you now, Mark!) but at least he was always very creative. Keo doesn't have that and draws too much attention to himself both with his mannered poses and wearing a much flashier costume and eye-catching color than his partner.  It's reasons like that that make change-up week worthwhile.

 

I've never heard of Nyle before, but he's pretty amazing. Lots of enjoyable dancing tonight from the rest as well (Kim, Ginger, Von and all those whose names I don't know). Fun night, even though I did, just for a moment, wonder what Derek would have come up with.

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Doug Flutie always had this "nice guy" image, but after seeing him on the show, I wonder if it was all for show. Maybe he's one of those people who is nice as long as things go his way. He can't dance either, so good riddance already. I though I would get annoyed with Jodie, but I admire the way she has gracefully accepted the judges' stupid criticism. No way did any of her dances deserve a 6. She probably had good reasons to whine, but didn't.

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I really disliked how every week they introduced Marla as the former mrs. donald trump.  I feel like that hurt her in the long run.

 

This was my thinking as well. I wondered if people were intentionally NOT voting for her because of that former connection and their feelings about Donald. (I can't blame 'em - every time they brought it up that she used to be married to him, I cringed and shuddered at the very thought and wanted them to move on from it ASAP. I can't stand the guy, and if I thought they'd try to get him on the show to support her, I wouldn't have voted for her either.) It's too bad, though, because she was a lovely dancer and had a great attitude. I thought she would have gone a little farther.

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