The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[kokapetl]

5 hours ago, Missy Vixen said:

It's a bumper crop of news about the Duggars! Woooo-hooooo!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/jill-and-jessa-duggar-accused-of-scheduling-pregnancies-to-keep-tlc-from-canceling-spinoff-show/

Please note the curious wording of this quote. Jilly Muffin, is there something you're not telling us?

Please explain to me how a married woman with a one-year-old does not know "how" she might become pregnant. And an adoption would not be a "naturalized citizen" of a family. 

Accused by a scummy online tabloid looking for clicks.  

[Rabbittron]

Ok Dumass family what ever happened to the sins of the father in a child that is adopted. That is why  Got Hard and I spaced Gothard  for a reason :) say no adoptions allowed. 

[Marigold]

I have had 3 C-sections. I was advised to wait about 2 years, which I did. 

Maybe they are going to wait extra long and hope things heal up well..maybe try a V-BAC? 

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, NikSac said:

No kidding. You know what always bothered me the most about their adoption talk?  Well okay maybe not the most, but right up there, was how Mechelle starts every show with "and I delivered every one of them."  What was the adopted child going to get?  "Oh and by the way, this one showed up too"?

and Betrum.

[maraleia]

2 hours ago, ingenting said:

Accused by a scummy online tabloid looking for clicks.  

Raw Story is a reputable news site not a tabloid like the Daily Fail aka Mail. I know Hollywood Gossip isn't the greatest source but Raw Story wouldn't report on this if it wasn't a verified story.

Edited May 19, 2016 by maraleia

[Churchhoney]

13 hours ago, Missy Vixen said:

 This brings a whole new set of question about what they do all day; they don't appear to talk with each other, either.

I expect that they mostly sit and stare into space or walk around very slowly, with their jaws hanging slack. That's why they need all that Starbucks. If they didn't pump caffeine they'd fall over from lack of brain activity. I have some relatives like this. They talk, but only to a point. Like, they name a topic ..."Saw Jerry the other day..." and then they just trail off, don't say anything more about it. And their fellow conversers accept this as a complete statement.

[Catlyn]

16 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

I think Derick is the one who wants to adopt and is putting off having another child with Jilly.  If it was up to her she'd probably be pregnant by now.

 

15 hours ago, Vaysh said:

How long is the recommended waiting period between a c-section and a new pregnancy? Perhaps the headship put his foot down and demanded they follow doctor's orders and wait before trying for a new blessing? I honestly don't think Derrick is all on board with the 'allowing the lord to decide the size of his family' BS. He might have thought he was during the courtship phase and early days of marriage but I think Izzy's birth made his dormant critical thinking skills kick in (he must possess a least some if he managed to graduate from a secular college) and he realised that his wife's life and health is more important to him than following the rules of a cult he didn't even grow up in.

I'm wondering if, in spite of his stupid instagram about mosquito spray for the zika virus, he is actually taking the virus seriously and has put his foot down and said no kids while there is a problem. I do think he's the one who is pushing adoption.

[Churchhoney]

11 hours ago, maraleia said:

Raw Story is a reputable news site not a tabloid like the Daily Fail aka Mail. I know Hollywood Gossip isn't the greatest source but Raw Story wouldn't report on this if it wasn't a verified story.

Yes, except that there really is no story here. All that Raw Story does is quote Hollywood Gossip's (as far as I know, unsubstantiated) claim that the new show might have been facing cancellation before the end of its first season (whenever that was -- the preseason? this just-concluded season? say what?) and then muse that the talk of babies seems suspicious in some way because of that. That's not a story of any kind. It's a guess, or an insinuation, spurred by an unclear rumor "reported" -- or made up, or heard in the convo of two teenagers on the street -- by clickbait factory/absolutely-not-a-journalism-outlet Hollywood Gossip.

And the Raw Story conjecture makes a conspiracy theory about hints and ulterior motives out of the fact that two Duggar females talked about getting pregnant soon. Which could be valid. But on the other hand, what else do Duggar females ever talk about?

It's the kind of thing that makes me wonder why Raw Story has a rep as legit, really.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Lemur]

I'm surprised as hell that no one in the Duggar camp has thought of the ratings bonanza that would be adopting a Zika baby.  Seriously, folks, someone get on that!

[Arwen Evenstar]

29 minutes ago, Lemur said:

I'm surprised as hell that no one in the Duggar camp has thought of the ratings bonanza that would be adopting a Zika baby.  Seriously, folks, someone get on that!

But...Pwecious Miwacle Snowflake Josie would then be upstaged.

All kidding aside, I don't think the Duggars are qualified to adopt a child with special  needs since they seem to be oblivious to issues with Josie.

[Tabbygirl521]

20 hours ago, Missy Vixen said:

It's a bumper crop of news about the Duggars! Woooo-hooooo!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/jill-and-jessa-duggar-accused-of-scheduling-pregnancies-to-keep-tlc-from-canceling-spinoff-show/

Please note the curious wording of this quote. Jilly Muffin, is there something you're not telling us?

Please explain to me how a married woman with a one-year-old does not know "how" she might become pregnant. And an adoption would not be a "naturalized citizen" of a family. 

Yawn, more babies. To me, this will never not be the most boring show ever. I never watched more than 10 minutes or so of the Original Recipe eps. I mainly got heavily into the snark when the Josh news broke last year ON MY BIRTHDAY. Then I did watch Counting On but always got bored or distracted at some point. Only made it through the first 15 minutes of the last ep. The only ep that grabbed me at all was Ben Drops Beats. That has some real promise. You know Ma and Pa Duggar have to be appalled  

Maybe Jill is vague about the next pregnancy because they are smart enough not to risk Zika? But then why not say so? OMG, using birth control for a specific, intelligent, responsible reason? Oh no! That means you have no faith in God! So yeah, if it's happening, we will never know. 

Josh's actions and banishment get the blame sometimes for this show having been whittled down to its most very boring essence. But I think that even if he had been the loveliest and kindest of brothers - John-Boy Duggar, if you will - there was never any hope for this to be interesting. No new ideas or thoughts or discussions are allowed. No exchange of viewpoints on anything because Jesus / GotHard already gave them the answers. And all new experiences are tightly controlled (let's go to Branson and avoid all the fun and entertainment. And have a not-spa experience with robes over our clothes). And new experiences - even world travel - never seem to be approached with interest or enthusiasm. Xenophobia is their watchword  

they never seem to get REAL. Heck, even the Sister Wives are starting to let it all hang out. They acknowledge that their viewers are seeing some cracks in the facade and they are addressing it somewhat. THAT is interesting. The Duggars will never do this. 

Edited May 19, 2016 by Tabbygirl521

[BitterApple]

In addition to Zika concerns, I wonder if the complications from Derick's surgery have limited his desire for sexy times. I remember how cranky I used to get just from the pain of having my braces tightened. I can't imagine what it would feel like to have braces, your jaw cracked apart and realigned, palate work and possible nerve damage. 

Maybe Jill's snarky remark about not knowing "how" they were going to have another child was a dig at Derick over their lack of a sex life.

[bigskygirl]

I feel bad for Derick for the dental work he has been dealing with. I have TMJ Arthralgia with earaches, jaw pain, and headaches. I have been telling my husband and two cats to stay away from me when the pain kicks in.

[cmr2014]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Maybe Jill's snarky remark about not knowing "how" they were going to have another child was a dig at Derick over their lack of a sex life.

I'm taking my response to this over to the Jill and Derick thread . . .

[flyingdi]

I sometimes get the feeling that Jill has just realized that although she likes children, she is not that fond of babies.  I would not be surprised that if she is able to adopt that she ends up with a slightly older child.

[new jersey devil]

7 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I feel bad for Derick for the dental work he has been dealing with. I have TMJ Arthralgia with earaches, jaw pain, and headaches. I have been telling my husband and two cats to stay away from me when the pain kicks in.

A good crack to the jaw sometimes will help TMJ...

[queenanne]

On 5/18/2016 at 2:15 PM, Missy Vixen said:

It's a bumper crop of news about the Duggars! Woooo-hooooo!

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/jill-and-jessa-duggar-accused-of-scheduling-pregnancies-to-keep-tlc-from-canceling-spinoff-show/

Please note the curious wording of this quote. Jilly Muffin, is there something you're not telling us?

Please explain to me how a married woman with a one-year-old does not know "how" she might become pregnant. And an adoption would not be a "naturalized citizen" of a family. 

Maybe she means they're in a country where, if she gives birth while there, the child becomes a natural citizen of the country of Danger America, and not the U.S.

[riverblue22]

3 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Maybe she means they're in a country where, if she gives birth while there, the child becomes a natural citizen of the country of Danger America, and not the U.S.

If Jilly Muffin got pregnant, she would probably come back to Arkansas where she can get the substandard midwifery care she prefers.

[Absolom]

No matter where she has the child it would be a citizen of the Unites States as long as they file the correct paperwork no matter if the other country offers citizenship. 

[toodles]

31 minutes ago, Absolom said:

No matter where she has the child it would be a citizen of the Unites States as long as they file the correct paperwork no matter if the other country offers citizenship. 

Well, ok.  Now you're getting technical.  You might have to read Spanish or at least semi-understand Spanish.  Now you could get a translator, but they could be lying or telling you ungodly things.  Sketchy business all the way around.

[Absolom]

Yes, well technically, the paperwork would all be in English.  Sorry to spoil the fun.

[toodles]

37 minutes ago, Absolom said:

Yes, well technically, the paperwork would all be in English.  Sorry to spoil the fun.

Oh, well.  It made me chuckle while I was writing it.  Fun not really spoiled, in English or Spanish. Lol

[Micks Picks]

If Jilly Muffin got pregnant, she would probably come back to Arkansas where she can get the substandard midwifery care she prefers

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Thanks Riverblue  you really had me laughing.  Also the governments down there and even the pope, are advising against having babies for a couple of years.  The locals may not approve of the missionary being knocked up when the government and their original religion both say to knock it off, not up, for a few years.

 

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HMMM did something wrong, the quotes and my text are reversed.

[sometimesy]

Is it easier to adopt down there if you have been a resident for a certain time? Just wondering. 

[GeeGolly]

5 hours ago, sometimesy said:

Is it easier to adopt down there if you have been a resident for a certain time? Just wondering. 

That's a good question. And how long can Jill & Derick stay on their Visas? And can they become residents there?

[Mollie]

6 hours ago, sometimesy said:

Is it easier to adopt down there if you have been a resident for a certain time? Just wondering. 

Guatemala halted all new international adoptions in 2007.   For Americans adopting children from El Salvador, the process takes at least two years and can take as long as eight years.  (Ben and Jessa don't qualify to adopt from El Salvador because they are too young.) 

[Minivanessa]

I think all their adoption talk is probably just BS. But if any of them do adopt, I believe they would never subject themselves to doing it the "official" way. No intrusive social service agencies or ebil gubmint intrusions for the Speshul Christly Duggars/Dillards/Seewalds. They would adopt a baby from a pregnant unmarried [probably teenaged] woman, likely in a fundie family - via a private adoption. No home invasions inspections, assessments, or any of that nasty bureaucratic spawned-by-Satan stuff. It's legal, and JB has probably learned enough by now to have it handled by a competent lawyer to be sure it's done right.

And, yep, international adoption seems unlikely for reasons cited above. 

I think Jill was yakking about adoption and "growing our family" and "naturalized" because she realizes what the Duggar brand is about and what matters to TLC: birthing babies and having lots of babies, rug rats, and howlers bouncing around the house. She and Jessa need to step up their game and either pump out more loinfruit or bring teh babiez another way. Maybe TLC is hanging in with them and still shooting new footage, but even the leghumpers were disappointed by the content of the last few episodes of Counting On. 

Maybe MEchelle went down to Danger America to tell Jill to ignore all medical advice to the contrary (Jill did have a C section and a nearly disastrous birth not all that long ago), and get preggers ASAP, because Jesus and Duggar Enterprises need her to. And it's her turn. Although, actually, it's Anna's turn to get pregnant, but the whole subject of Josh is still problematic for their TV show, so it's up to Jill and Jessa to keep the family TV ministry TLC gravy train going. Besides babies, the other ratings-generator for the Duggs is weddings. But so far they can't find anybody to marry Jana, John-David, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, or Joy-Anna, all of whom are aged 18 or older and eligible for marriage. That's SIX kids who could provide story lines. JimBob's falling down on the job by not landing any spouses, so Jill and Jessa have to carry the family brand for now.

EDITED to add: Of course, it's possible that Jill or Anna, or even Jessa, is pregnant and they are just being coy and dropping hints to maximize their exposure before they finally announce. Maybe all three of them will be knocked up at once. Ratings gold for TLC! The Duggars win again! 

Edited May 20, 2016 by Jeeves
I've decided the Duggars are like cockroaches and will live forever on TLC.

[Mollie]

1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

I think all their adoption talk is probably just BS. But if any of them do adopt, I believe they would never subject themselves to doing it the "official" way. No intrusive social service agencies or ebil gubmint intrusions for the Speshul Christly Duggars/Dillards/Seewalds. They would adopt a baby from a pregnant unmarried [probably teenaged] woman, likely in a fundie family - via a private adoption. No home invasions inspections, assessments, or any of that nasty bureaucratic spawned-by-Satan stuff. It's legal, and JB has probably learned enough by now to have it handled by a competent lawyer to be sure it's done right.

ALL adoptions in Arkansas require a home study and approval by a judge.  Also, the financial security and ability to be fiscally stable must be proven by the adoptive parents. (The TLC show has not yet been renewed and, even if it is, that might not be considered stable income.) Tax returns, financial statements, pay stubs and income verifications are a few of the documents that may be requested during the home study process.

Many things are evaluated in the home study, including religious practices.

[toodles]

6 minutes ago, Mollie said:

ALL adoptions in Arkansas require a home study and approval by a judge.  Also, the financial security and ability to be fiscally stable must be proven by the adoptive parents. (The TLC show has not yet been renewed and, even if it is, that might not be considered stable income.) Tax returns, financial statements, pay stubs and income verifications are a few of the documents that may be requested during the home study process.

Many things are evaluated in the home study, including religious practices.

A home study of religious practices will be the perfect time for the blessas to trot out their you're going to hell writings.  Because nothing says loving, kind, people like the jealous and mean God rhetoric they enjoy sharing with the world.  Maybe BIn could do a little rap song to hammer (no pun intended) the point home.

I'm sure I'm off topic.  My apologies.

[Arwen Evenstar]

 Toodles, you're not off topic at all.  I used to work with a lady who'd been married to her husband for over 20 years and they adopted 2 little girls from Russia.  She is Catholic; he is Jewish. That was vetted as well as the agency went through their house to make sure there were adequate things like sufficient towels and bed linens...something we know the Duggars don't provide their children with.

They checked the house for cleanliness and neatness as well...another thing the Duggars have failed at epically.

[Missy Vixen]

5 hours ago, Mollie said:

ALL adoptions in Arkansas require a home study and approval by a judge.  Also, the financial security and ability to be fiscally stable must be proven by the adoptive parents. (The TLC show has not yet been renewed and, even if it is, that might not be considered stable income.) Tax returns, financial statements, pay stubs and income verifications are a few of the documents that may be requested during the home study process.

Many things are evaluated in the home study, including religious practices.

One has to wonder if there is anyone working for the state of Arkansas with both oars in the water that will show up at the home study with an iPad and selected video clips, asking for an explanation for each. Imagine the fun.

The issues with the Harrises (state rep who took in three kids, "rehomed" those kids when his wife decided one of them was "demon possessed", and the children were molested by the new family) made the national news. Allowing any member of the Duggar family to foster or adopt a child right now would make the international news. The coverage would not be positive, especially since one has to imagine that Joshley Madison is living in the TTH.

[Missy Vixen]

5 hours ago, toodles said:

A home study of religious practices will be the perfect time for the blessas to trot out their you're going to hell writings.  Because nothing says loving, kind, people like the jealous and mean God rhetoric they enjoy sharing with the world.  Maybe BIn could do a little rap song to hammer (no pun intended) the point home.

 

Toodles, the avalanche of e-mail and snail mail to any entity doing a foster or adoption home study for this family (complete with factual examples, video clips, etcetera) would eclipse the sheer number of complaints their show sponsors got.

I don't think they'd make it through the initial home visit. IMHO of course.

[BitterApple]

Yeah, Arkansas DCF doesn't need another shitshow on their hands after what happened with the Harrises. The media backlash would be worse than what it was during the molestation scandal.

[Adeejay]

What recourse would the Arkansas DCF have if an unwed teenager decides to give her child to one of the "godly" Duggars?  The reason I am asking is because they have a lot of supporters, and I can totally see this happening. 

[Missy Vixen]

35 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

What recourse would the Arkansas DCF have if an unwed teenager decides to give her child to one of the "godly" Duggars?  The reason I am asking is because they have a lot of supporters, and I can totally see this happening. 

The Duggars were allegedly under DCF investigation about a year ago. They showed up at the TTH and asked to see one of the kids, which was refused. One has to believe that any infant not born to a member of the family and appearing at the TTH would trigger another investigation, especially if they did not follow the law in regards to any adoption. IMHO of course.

[kaleidoscope]

I thought I read somewhere that the TLC contract was for two seasons of the new show:(  Anyone else remember this?

[Absolom]

The contract length is really immaterial.  TLC is not under an obligation to film or air episodes.  The contract obligates the performers and prevents them from going to another network.

[NewDigs]

On April 28, 2016 at 5:21 PM, sometimesy said:

What will they announce next week? 

Another season, adoption, pregnancy, courtship, move

Next season Joy elopes to Scotland with the father of her unborn child, begins the process of adopting his children from his late wife the Duchess something and wears pants. TLC owes us. It better be good. 

I didn't know that you could refuse the entry of the DCF.

That seems kind of hinky in itself. In a what-are-you-hiding kind of way.

19 hours ago, Missy Vixen said:

The Duggars were allegedly under DCF investigation about a year ago. They showed up at the TTH and asked to see one of the kids, which was refused. One has to believe that any infant not born to a member of the family and appearing at the TTH would trigger another investigation, especially if they did not follow the law in regards to any adoption. IMHO of course.

I didn't know you could refuse the entry of the DCF.

That seems kind of hinky in itself. In a what-are-you-hiding kind of way.

[Marigny]

On 5/18/2016 at 6:51 PM, Missy Vixen said:

So, I'll say it: How many here wonder if the "birthday visit" is actually Jim Boob and J-Chelle attempting to find out why there has not been news of another Blessed Event as of yet? Hey, TLC -- want a ratings blockbuster? Find out if Triple D was smart enough to get his ass to the local Wal-Mart in Danger America and get some condoms. One has to believe that Jim Boob would be angrier over the use of non-headship-approved birth control than he would be over prescription painkillers or the use of a certain weed. After all, no baybees means no TLC money, doesn't it?

That trip was definitely more about strategizing than celebrating Jill's birthday. 

[Sew Sumi]

Looks like Famy is hard up for cash again and feeding the media lots of fun, fake Duggar gossip. Whoever wrote this article should post here. It was deliciously snarky. 

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/05/josh-duggar-trying-to-land-his-own-reality-show/

[sometimesy]

17 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Looks like Famy is hard up for cash again and feeding the media lots of fun, fake Duggar gossip. Whoever wrote this article should post here. It was deliciously snarky. 

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/05/josh-duggar-trying-to-land-his-own-reality-show/

Well, it looks like Josh may kindly leave the tell-all for another of his siblings. In my perfect world, TLC's Josh and Anna show 〽  is up against, mmmm let's see, the sinner twin and his tell-all documentary about starting his life over away from the cult, aired on OWN or something...... 

Edited May 24, 2016 by sometimesy

[Missy Vixen]

Of course Joshley Madison wants to talk to Megyn Kelly. She'll do anything for money, won't she?

It's hard to believe that Nancy doesn't already have Joshley and Anna filming.

[Rabbittron]

Now for this must see interview I will take off from work. 

[Lemur]

17 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Looks like Famy is hard up for cash again and feeding the media lots of fun, fake Duggar gossip. Whoever wrote this article should post here. It was deliciously snarky. 

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/05/josh-duggar-trying-to-land-his-own-reality-show/

"Josh has been a public figure for long enough to know that any post-scandal comeback starts with an apology tour, and he's already making plans to sob his way through a contrite interview or two."

FUCKING REDEMPTION TOUR.

We called this a year ago.

1 hour ago, Rabbittron said:

 

Now for this must see interview I will take off from work. 

 

I say this, at least once a week, that I should just blow off work because Dr. Phil looks interesting.  This, however, I might actually act on.

[EAG46]

I misread "reality show" as "variety show" and was extremely confused for a moment.  Of course that couldn't happen since Duggars don't believe in dancing or most music or anything really entertaining.  But if they're really hard up for attention and money...

[Churchhoney]

24 minutes ago, EAG46 said:

I misread "reality show" as "variety show" and was extremely confused for a moment.  Of course that couldn't happen since Duggars don't believe in dancing or most music or anything really entertaining.  But if they're really hard up for attention and money...

Plus, they have absolutely no variety. : )

[Lemur]

31 minutes ago, EAG46 said:

I misread "reality show" as "variety show" and was extremely confused for a moment.  Of course that couldn't happen since Duggars don't believe in dancing or most music or anything really entertaining.  But if they're really hard up for attention and money...

Yeah, these people are dry white bread through and through.  They make Saltines look spicy.

On the other hand, the Duggar Power Hour and Variety Show sounds like a spec script I would write when I'm about a quarter of the way through a bottle of good whiskey and have no intention of stopping any time soon.  (And now you know what I'll be doing over the long holiday weekend ...  Pink  Lady and Jeff plus the Muppets plus Kirk Cameron plus the prosecutor that failed to prosecute Josh ...)

Edited May 24, 2016 by Lemur

[JoanArc]

I'm sure Nancy Daniels would love to get Anna's inevitable snap in primetime.

Who the F would sponsor a show about a child molester? Other than, Lowe's, of course...

[Aja]

6 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

Who the F would sponsor a show about a child molester? Other than, Lowe's, of course...

Can I ask your dad if I can court you? Or have I already asked you that?

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

 

Who the F would sponsor a show about a child molester? Other than, Lowe's, of course...

Subway?