S05.E21: Check-Up With Dr. Drew – Part One

[charmed1]

Drew is always tough on the grandparents, but never the Teen Moms. Debra kept saying she didn't know WTF Farrah was talking about, but she was sorry. Drew wouldn't even let her finish without cutting her off and jumping down her throat.

He did the same thing to Barb who is raising her piece of shit daughter, Jenelle's son on a freaking Walmart salary I might add. And he scolded Randy for not being nice enough to another piece of shit, Adam. The boy who was verbally abusive to Randy's daughter and referred to his own daughter as "that mistake."

But he let Farrah get off with barely a slap on the wrist for not only speaking to a member of the MTV staff in a disrespectful manner, but physically assaulting him. That's inexcusable. But no, he just lets Farrah give some nonsensical word salad answer about how she doesn't like it when people do some [insert made up offense] to her. Then whisper, fake cry, repeat.

Michael and Debra need not to see each other again. It's obvious they hate each other. And what was it with Michael's emphasis on the fact that he has only ONE child? Was that a dig at Farrah's half sister? That family is a mess.

[ebkitty]

I remember Farrah accusing Dead Daddy Derek's parents of trying to "steal" her baby. And how she would make sure they would NEVER, EVER see her precious Sophia again..my how times change....that scene at DDD's gravesite with his parents, FA sobbing & her daughter prancing around was nauseating!

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That was Derek's father and step-mother whom she has always had an ok relationship with, it's Derek's mother who tried to get grandparents rights and Farrah accused of kidnapping Sophie. Derek's mom never gets to see Sophie.

[Tatum]

Drew is always tough on the grandparents, but never the Teen Moms. Debra kept saying she didn't know WTF Farrah was talking about, but she was sorry. Drew wouldn't even let her finish without cutting her off and jumping down her throat.

He did the same thing to Barb who is raising her piece of shit daughter, Jenelle's son on a freaking Walmart salary I might add. And he scolded Randy for not being nice enough to another piece of shit, Adam. The boy who was verbally abusive to Randy's daughter and referred to his own daughter as "that mistake."

 

Drew's standards are absolutely baffling, particularly with the TM2 crew. There was one reunion where he barely touched on Leah's infidelity, her running to the media to bitch about Corey, Jenelle's arrest record, Kail's domestic violence track record, Kail falsely accusing Jo of domestic violence, but he jumped on CHELSEA for something minor. I can't remember what it was, maybe sleeping with Adam again or not graduating cosmetology school (this was a few years ago). I was livid. Of all the dangerous, illegal, irresponsible things three out of the four girls on stage have done, you're going to rake Chelsea over the coals for some bad judgment? 

 

And his treatment of Barbara and Corey is absolutely despicable, particularly Corey. I don't know why he continues to participate on these shows.

 

I can't really remember his coverage of TMOG, other than he does kiss Amber's ass a lot.

[Primetimer]

And other non-revelations from the Maci/Farrah half of the reunion.

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[Ljohnson1987]

Maci: Was she pregnant when this was filmed? They’re acting like it doesn’t exist. Stop pushing Taylor to marry you.  It’s great that Jen and Larry are involved in both Bentley and Jade’s lives. They’re great people.

Farrah: Denial is the longest river. Always blaming others for her actions. I hope she got fired for that fighting stunt.

[teapot]

how about Farrah saying that Dr Drew was the only one who could "decode for everyone what she was talking about?"  or something.  Not really....

[DCC]

Did Sophia admit she was a witch with her creating "science" potions?!

[CofCinci]

Maci: Was she pregnant when this was filmed? They’re acting like it doesn’t exist. Stop pushing Taylor to marry you. It’s great that Jen and Larry are involved in both Bentley and Jade’s lives. They’re great people.

Farrah: Denial is the longest river. Always blaming others for her actions. I hope she got fired for that fighting stunt.

Yes, Maci was pregnant (filmed about 11 weeks ago). She most likely knew and didn't share the news with her leech sugar baby.

[FairyDusted]

I'm pretty sure Sophia meant that she was helping with that bullshit Mommy and Me bath line. 

 

Goddess knows we don't want her.

[mamadrama]

I don't understand why Farrah gets a pass for being shitty to...well, everyone really. Okay, so she might have been abused in the past. A LOT of people are. (Hello, look at Catelynn.) That does not give them a free pass to verbally and physically assault people. She, and Dr. Drew, use that as an excuse to justify every shitty thing she does and that is not okay. And good for Michael for saying what he did to Debra about airing dirty laundry like that. I wanted to bitch-slap that smirk right off Debra's botoxed face. 

[WichitaStateShock]

Farrah is a narcissist. Even if Dr drew tried to address things she wouldn't have any of it so he appeases her.

[Pdxblonde]

All I want to know is how Amber and Catelynn managed to stay upright on a couch for longer than 5 minutes!

[guilfoyleatpp]

I think Dr. Drew's issue with Debra was that she always apologizes without comprehending what she's done is wrong. She thinks if she says "I'm sorry" that it immediately erases the bad deed.

 

It's the analogy with the plate.  You break a plate. You apologize. Is the plate still broken?

 

Debra has just decided she can apologize without understanding or really wanting to change the behavior. I dislike Farrah and I think she has some undiagnosed mental shit going on, but dealing with someone who just says "oh, sorry" like a snotty 13 year old would drive me around the bend.t

[StatisticalOutlier]

Hm maybe a kidnapping? That's pretty awful and [Farah] hasn't used that one yet.

 

Surely they still assign The Ransom of Red Chief in school.  Fair warning to all.

[gunderda]

Farrah gets a pass because they all know that if they go in on her on her shit then she'll walk off and won't participate.

 

Which would be just fine with me and I'm sure a lot of people feel the same.  But for some reason MTV think they need her. 

 

Dr Drew knows who he has to handle with kid gloves.  He needs to keep them on that couch and that's the only way to do it.

[GreatKazu]

I remember Farrah accusing Dead Daddy Derek's parents of trying to "steal" her baby. And how she would make sure they would NEVER, EVER see her precious Sophia again..my how times change....that scene at DDD's gravesite with his parents, FA sobbing & her daughter prancing around was nauseating!

Farrah accused Derrick's mother of kidnapping. The people at the grave site were Derrick's STEP-mom and his dad.

I tuned in for five minutes. That was it. Cannot stand the same shit being rehashed by Maci. Ryan has a job you trifling bitch. His job is the same as yours: Teen Mom. I don't hear the bitch complaining about Ryan not paying child support!

[Katt]

I love MTV for showing the Tyler clip "Goodbye, Mrs Lowell..." just in case we don't already know he's uneducated. 
On another note, I was probably a bit too irritated when I saw him sitting there in the studio. Gah, he annoys me more than ANYBODY in this franchise. 

[poopchute]

Gary couldn't find anything better to wear than a gray t-shirt?! What a disgusting dirtball.

Okay now I've watched the whole episode. I'm so confused by Farrah's part. She was crying over this childhood issue and Dr. Drew was pushing her to talk about it but from what it sounded like, she was upset that her mom went away on business? And when Deborah tried to explain Dr Drew was really a dick as if Deborah beat the shit out of Farrah but all I heard was Deborah being away and Farrah being babysat by grandma? So weird.

Also, does Dr Drew know that Farrah made and sold molds of her own vagina? All this talk of being exploited and Farrah's claim that she was raped and traumatized, I'm just incredulous that Dr Drew can't bring up the vagina molds. I would love to know the statistics of the percentage of traumatized, exploited rape victims who go on to sell molds of their vaginas on the Internet.

Edited March 1, 2016 by poopchute

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

I don't know about the vagina-mold makers (or models?) per se, but I do think there's a pretty high percentage of women who work in the porn industry who have been sexually abused/sexually assaulted before entering into porn.

(Not that that makes me believe Farrah anymore. Like I said, I'm gonna need receipts, Farrah. Any other victim I would t question this way, but Farrah is well, Farrah.....)

Edited March 1, 2016 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[teapot]

Okay now I've watched the whole episode. I'm so confused by Farrah's part. She was crying over this childhood issue and Dr. Drew was pushing her to talk about it but from what it sounded like, she was upset that her mom went away on business? And when Deborah tried to explain Dr Drew was really a dick as if Deborah beat the shit out of Farrah but all I heard was Deborah being away and Farrah being babysat by grandma? So weird.

 

Is it time to start being afraid (being very afraid) for one Miss Novalee Reign Baltierra?

[CofCinci]

Anyone catch how Maci teases Bentley about Leah at the beginning of the special?  Can she just stop with that already?!  She wants to be a 30-year-old grandmother.

[CentralTexas]

I'm only a few minutes in, and I had to come here to say that I got chills when I heard Sophia say she likes to make potions!! Potions? that is creepy as hell! That kid already gives me the hibbie jibbies as it is...Wow!

[Cherry Cola]

Did Farrah do something to her eyes? They looked different. Her segment was ridiculous. She is the white trash. I think that insult is so high school, and I think it's funny that she uses it for anyone. Someone needs to hold this idiot responsible for her actions. Drew sucks!!

I would be pissed if I was trying to answer and he keep telling me I can't say that, as he did to Debra.

Maci= snoozefest.

[Emmierose]

Maci honey? Just no with that hair.  The make up was bad too but just wow with that praying mantis head hair.  

[SPLAIN]

Eh, Gary wearing a t-shirt for the show is alright with me. Why dress up for such a POS show where the fine doctor kisses the ass of these girls? Fuck them all.

Amber should be called out for splurging her money on herself instead of her child. Who the fuck needs TWO engagements rings? Amber spends her money on Matt and getting her hair dyed every color from a Crayola box.

Maci and Farrah...Zzzzzzz

Same shit. I want my 45 minutes back!

[poopchute]

I don't think he needs to dressed up in a button down shirt and tie or something like that, but I feel like there are a lot of options in between "t-shirt" and "dressed up." He looked like a slob.

[CourtneyCourt]

Fast forwarded through the entire thing and just read the comments on thus forum! Sounds like I didn't miss anything!

[Cherry Cola]

Fast forwarded through the entire thing and just read the comments on thus forum! Sounds like I didn't miss anything!

Nope, you didn't miss a thing. Definitely a waste of time!

[NikSac]

Anyone catch how Maci teases Bentley about Leah at the beginning of the special?  Can she just stop with that already?!  She wants to be a 30-year-old grandmother.

 

I know!  Constantly she's on him about having girlfriends, the kid is 6, good grief. I once knew a family where "great grandma" was in her 40s and the baby of the family loved walking around with a ball under her shirt to pretend she was pregnant at the ripe old age of 2 so I guess it happens, but I sure don't get it.

Maci honey? Just no with that hair.  The make up was bad too but just wow with that praying mantis head hair.  

 

At first I thought she actually shaved the one side of her head to be "edgy" or something. Took me awhile to realize it was just a terrible hair style.

[bren70]

 

Why the hell was Ryan blinking so fast and so many times? He looked like shit to me. Pale and just...blech.

 

It's the pills.  

[bren70]

 

 

Okay now I've watched the whole episode. I'm so confused by Farrah's part. She was crying over this childhood issue and Dr. Drew was pushing her to talk about it but from what it sounded like, she was upset that her mom went away on business? And when Deborah tried to explain Dr Drew was really a dick as if Deborah beat the shit out of Farrah but all I heard was Deborah being away and Farrah being babysat by grandma? So weird.

I think what she was trying to say was that her mother was always away on business and that Farrah was with Michael and the grandmother.  And that those two physically abused her and Debra wasn't "there for her".   

I'm still holding out hope that the estranged sister Ashley writes a Tell-All about wtf went on in that house while they were growing up.  Farrah can't spit it out and all the "doctors" apparently agreed to keep it under wraps.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

Why the hell was Ryan blinking so fast and so many times?

 

I didn't see the show (yay me!) but I've noticed him wearing glasses sometimes in the past.  I wonder if he had contacts on and he's not used to them or they were bugging him.

[TEEVEE]

What was up with the comment Debra made, about taking Michael to 5 doctors.  For what?  It makes me think he sexually abused Farrah when Debra was out of town.

[gunderda]

What was up with the comment Debra made, about taking Michael to 5 doctors.  For what?  It makes me think he sexually abused Farrah when Debra was out of town.

I haven't watched this but from Debra's other comments about Michael I feel like they're trying to make him out to be some horrible person. 

BUT he is obviously Farrah's primary choice as a caretaker for Sophia which I don't think she would do if he was some super horrible person, especially if has history with sexual abuse.

[ava111]

What was up with the comment Debra made, about taking Michael to 5 doctors. For what? It makes me think he sexually abused Farrah when Debra was out of town.

All I could think when she said that was that while she took him to 5 doctors she forgot to take herself, she needs it more than Michael. And Farrah. She could definitely use some therapy as a child herself, I'm sure of it.

Couldn't be more obvious Panda doesn't watch anything of the show.

Macy" He (Ryan) even sit on my couch!"

Panda: "Really?"

It was shown on the second to last episode.

I don't even need to comment on Farrah's news about not being with Simon anymore. We all knew it was only for show because his terrible "acting" like he has feelings for her.

Hope next episode is less boring.

Edited March 2, 2016 by ava111

[WhosThatGirl]

Farrah mentioned Debra leaving her and hoping out of town. She has mentioned this type of thing before to both Micheal and Debra back in the early days of teen mom. I still don't know what her truma is..fighting a lot? Thats all I got from that.

I get what Panda meant to Debra about saying sorry and not knowing why or what for but at the same time, the condescending way he spoke to her was uncalled for if only because he glossed over Farrah's behavior.

[pakalolo]

I don't think he needs to dressed up in a button down shirt and tie or something like that, but I feel like there are a lot of options in between "t-shirt" and "dressed up." He looked like a slob.

There really isn't a whole lot of options for someone as large as Gary, is there? (Second word my autocorrect suggested for Gary was Fart, y'all!) I have a feeling I see that same grey t-shirt on a lot of obese men.

[Elizabeth9]

All I could think when she said that was that while she took him to 5 doctors she forgot to take herself, she needs it more than Michael. And Farrah. She could definitely use some therapy as a child herself, I'm sure of it.

Couldn't be more obvious Panda doesn't watch anything of the show.

Macy" He (Ryan) even sit on my couch!"

Panda: "Really?"

It was shown on the second to last episode.

I don't even need to comment on Farrah's news about not being with Simon anymore. We all knew it was only for show because his terrible "acting" like he has feelings for her.

Hope next episode is less boring.

If I was being asked about someone sitting on a couch on this show...I'd assume the answer was yes

[tumamita]

Wow, well.

 

I typically fast forward through Farrah's parts. I guess I'm glad I watched this time because it seemed to finally open up her past thus why she acts like a f*cking lunatic. It seems like they're hinting at she was maybe molested?? Or abused?? I can't figure it out - all this is still pretty confusing. I felt bad... until she confirmed the producer was white trash and then her dad starting talking about the sex tape like OMGGGG. When are people going to understand that it is ILLEGAL for a sex tape to be released without consent of both individuals. Why do you think she has SO MUCH more money than the other teen moms??? Because she signed off on the sex tape and got paid like give up the innocence act. She's a Kim Kardashian Jr. 

 

Aside from that, she looked really pretty. Under all that make up and 10lbs of hair. 

[tumamita]

What was up with the comment Debra made, about taking Michael to 5 doctors.  For what?  It makes me think he sexually abused Farrah when Debra was out of town.

 

If Michael was sexually abusing her, I don't think she would have any type of relationship with him and especially her daughter. Maybe physical abuse or just neglect. I can't figure it out they're being so vague!!

 

 

I had a pretty straight and square childhood. I had both my parents in my life. I've never experienced any kind of stress disorder and I'm not a psychologist or anything BUT seeing her constantly talk about her childhood, is getting tiring. Not only was Farrah having issues on the original 16 & pregnant and teen mom but did everyone seem to fall and bump their head or just purposely forget that I think what Catelynn had to deal with was far more traumatic than anything I saw about Farrah. Catelynn's mom was an absolute terror back then.

[guilfoyleatpp]

What was up with the comment Debra made, about taking Michael to 5 doctors.  For what?  It makes me think he sexually abused Farrah when Debra was out of town.

I feel like this was Debra throwing Michael under the bus, pure and simple. SHE took him to 5 different doctors...probably because she didn't agree with any of them that the issue wasn't just him, it was both of them.

 

Whatever is wrong with Debra is also wrong with Farrah. They both have the same weird, wonky, askew world view where there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with their behavior, it's everyone else. I don't doubt that both of them were somehow damaged deeply by an event or events that occured to each of them, but I also think there is some mood or behavior disorder that they share. 

 

Michael isn't blameless in this. He stayed with Debra, reproduced with her. I do give him props for first leaving her and then trying to maintain a relationship while calling her on her bullshit when it goes too far. 

 

*I also give him props for not constantly bringing up how she fell for a con artist and lost a ton of money. Because if that bitch was taking my inventory on national TV, I don't know if I could restrain myself.

Edited March 2, 2016 by guilfoyleatpp

[FozzyBear]

While I get what so many people doubt everything and anything that comes out of Farrah's mouth, I'd put a ton of money on the idea that something happened to her. What, I'm not sure, but the entire dynamic of that family has given me the shivers since 16 & Pregnant. Of course my guess was less of a sexual abuse situation and more of a Carey White situation. I could totally see Deb going through periods where she was raging out of control and Michael would try to get between her and the kids. As much as I agree Farrah is a nut job, I don't think she became one because of MTV. There's something not right about that whole crazy family.

[Snarky McSnarky]

Did I really hear Dr. Drew say in his opening sentence that the Teen Moms have flourished over the past several years?  Despite having hundreds of thousands of dollars handed to them, most have done next to nothing in seven years.  Even worse, some have been absolutely terrible mothers to their children.  I cannot believe the amount of bullshit Dr. Drew and MTV put out there to make these women look good in the eyes of the viewers.  It's as if they are unaware of the Internet and the huge amount of information out there that shows most of the women have not flourished at all. 

[pakalolo]

When Farrah was hassling Debra about taking care of Sophia while she on "UK business" she said she didn't want Sophia to deal with the same "irritations" she had to while growing up. Now I know in Miss Word Salad's head irritation could be a euphemism for sexual abuse, but that's certainly not the term I would chose.

I have no doubt Farrah was abused by her parents as a child but I believe it was severe mental abuse by Debra and neglect by Michael.

Edit: Noticed Fozzy Bear and I pretty much typed the same thing at the same time.

Edited March 2, 2016 by pakalolo

[Snarky McSnarky]

It's the pills.  

Ryan definitely had a flat affect.  He also sounded like he didn't want to be there.  Probably had no choice, though.

[FozzyBear]

When Farrah was hassling Debra about taking care of Sophia while she on "UK business" she said she didn't want Sophia to deal with the same "irritations" she had to while growing up. Now I know in Miss Word Salad's head irritation could be a euphemism for sexual abuse, but that's certainly not the term I would chose.

I have no doubt Farrah was abused by her parents as a child but I believe it was severe mental abuse by Debra and neglect by Michael.

I'm with you. I would buy that Deb tried to have someone perform an exorcism on Farrah or made Farrah and Ashley submit to weird virginity tests after dates(seriously. I grew up in a crazy out of control born again church. People do shit like that. Maybe that's why I've always had a little bit of sympathy for Farrah. Deb pings my raging Christian nut job radar in the worst way.) or just went nuts screaming and crying for days on end. But Michael? I just don't see it. I could totally see that Farrah and Deb have convinced themselves that whatever happened was Michael's fault, but I'd put money on Farrah really was abused and Deb was the abuser.

[politichick]

If Michael was sexually abusing her, I don't think she would have any type of relationship with him and especially her daughter. Maybe physical abuse or just neglect. I can't figure it out they're being so vague!!

 

 

I agree. Plus, Didn't Farrah follow Michael to Texas? She wouldn't do that if he'd been physically abusing her. Probably the crazy girl's imagination. He was cooler with Debra than most men would have been. And i agree that she was probably dragging him to multiple doctors because she didn't want to hear the problem was at least partly if not all hers. Debra is fucking nuts.

[iheartla]

*I also give him props for not constantly bringing up how she fell for a con artist and lost a ton of money. Because if that bitch was taking my inventory on national TV, I don't know if I could restrain myself.

Oh I forgot about that! Deb had "successful" phone sex with said con artist, too. Wait, did she ever find his real name? I think she said it was someone overseas. For a moment, Matt popped into my mind.

[Lexxy]

Debra also had that weird talk with Farrah's "boyfriend" about how he was so much like Farrah's dad and how terrible of a thing that was, even though Michael is the only one who seems relatively sane.  Poor guy seemed so (appropriately) confused.  Obviously, divorce sucks and you rarely get out of it thinking a rosy picture of your ex, but Debra has some issues to say the least. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

Debra also had that weird talk with Farrah's "boyfriend" about how he was so much like Farrah's dad and how terrible of a thing that was, even though Michael is the only one who seems relatively sane.  Poor guy seemed so (appropriately) confused.  Obviously, divorce sucks and you rarely get out of it thinking a rosy picture of your ex, but Debra has some issues to say the least. 

Right? And then the conversation with the one doctor dude who showed up once about how they were an abstinence household. While holding Sophia.