B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[TobinAlbers]

@CountryGirl and @RuntheTable ya'll came with the receipts!

And the thing is, I want to like Steffy, but the writing for her makes her so hypocritical and gives you only glimpses of self-awareness. They never show us Steffy in action being this strong women, but only tell us or present her with the window dressings of being 'independent' and 'fearless' with her black leather, deconstructed wedding gowns, and riding around on motorcycles.

And they also continue to do her a disservice by presenting her as Wonder Woman but not have her use her advantages to take care of herself and her daughter.  She should at the very least have a nanny and a pain management specialist and gotten ahead of the potential issues and pitfalls of her recovery.

@RuntheTable I also want to add that the potentially diabolical plan of Thomas' that you laid out would be amazing to see. Thomas has already done some pretty heinous stuff that should've had him written off and yet they keep him on the show going about his business; but this would be a whole new fascinating level that he'd do this to his own sister and niece to get payback and I would love to see it play out as it would actually bring focus back to the Forrester-Marones and examine the family's pathology.

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I've been proud of Steffy for owning up to that (and I suspect Jacqui Wood was the one who pushed for that, not Bell) since it felt like it was *some* growth as a person. And this stupid drug story is unraveling all of that.

Yup, this is what hurts. Steffy declared her freedom from Liam and Bill years ago with her deciding to NOT be her mother and focus on herself and her child.  Her focusing on work and battling Quinn or Hope in business as she works through finding herself again would've done wonders for her; then one night when Kelly is with Liam, Steffy meets a cute doctor in a bar, has a one night stand, is feeling good about her life finally when she has a random car/bike accident (or hell, how about she's attacked by a stalker since she's supposedly so world famous) and her one night stand ends up being her emergency room doctor, Finn. THEN we get their connection and how he wants to help her but also has this professional line he can't cross, she's trying to cover her pain due to FC battle for the CEO chair (Thomas or Rick or Quinn or Brooke would be gunning for it) so we get why she slides into the addiction spiral. 

Basically, her addiction storyline needed to be about how she finally moved on for her to have this major setback and her clinging to her crumbling Wonder Woman image - not about the past with Liam.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Lawd have mercy, the muscles in that man's back. Steffy, after you've feasted on prime rib, how are you gonna settle for a warmed over dollar menu hamburger? Girl bye, indeed.

[nkotb]

I seriously didn't see anything after the $Bill sexy times video. Whew, thanks for that midday snack. 😉 

I very much appreciated that Liam mentioned to Steffy that while Kelly was asleep at that moment, she could've easily woken up & wandered out onto the cliff, or into the water, or whatever he said. He also might've mentioned that Steffy had a bottle of unknown pills, hidden in her couch. If she'd forgotten them, & Kelly found them & thought they were candy, it could've also been deadly. 

The biggest sin in this whole story is explaining why Steffy has to keep Kelly by herself. No nanny, no home health help, no cleaning service, nothing. It's ridiculous. I'm by no means rich, by a looooooong shot, & my kids go to daycare when I'm working & they're not in school. 

Thomas looked mighty shady as Steffy was unraveling. 

 

[CountryGirl]

Today was another day of soapy goodness.

First, Hope visits Brooke at the big house. I don't love Brooke's outfit but she looks great, especially her toned arms.

And I am just so, so shocked that Hope wasn't crying or wringing her hands or displaying one iota of insecurity over Liam's concern for Steffy. Except that was sarcasm and I've seen no hint of Hope's insecurity since her postpartum grieving self pushed Liam away.

In fact, Hope shares that Liam is spending time with Steffy since her accident and then adds, "I love Kelly."

And she has from the first. Even in the moments where she thought her own daughter had died, she has cared about Kelly. Just as she cared about Beth when she thought she was Phoebe, Steffy's fauxdopted daughter.

Brooke: "I'm so proud of how you're handling your blended family."

Hope smiles: "I love Kelly as if she were my own child." But I guess stepparents aren't allowed to do that.

Brooke praises Hope's efforts for helping out during Steffy's time of need.

Hope muses about Kelly picking up on the stress of what's going on with her mother (and of course, she is, on some level - even babies/toddlers can sense stress and Kelly is now 4-years-old). 

Hope: "I want that little girl to have stability and Liam and I are on the same page about that." Indeed.

Over at the cliff house, Liam and Steffy are still in a screaming match and I am firmly Team Liam, in case that wasn't already obvious. And really, I'm Team Kelly, who deserves better than what she's got currently for a mother.

Steffy, snarling: "I can't believe you put Kelly in the car and are taking her away from me!"

Liam fires back: "And what would have happened if you were passed out and Kelly needed you?"

His point, spelled out quite well by @TobinAlbers above, could not be more relevant or clearer. Imagine if Kelly had awakened while Steffy was passed out. Anything could have happened to her.

Steffy turns on the waterworks, shrieking: "I would never put Kelly in danger!" I beg to differ. The moment she took the illegal pills, she put herself and Kelly in danger. She adds, "How dare you keep me from my child!"

He has every right to put Kelly's safety first. If Steffy wants to fuck up her life and get hooked on pills while single and childfree? Go for it. But she's not childfree. She was she was an idiot who learned nothing from her previous accident - which killed her unborn daughter (hmmm, sensing a pattern here) - and decided to hop on a motorcycle because one devastating accident wasn't enough of a cautionary tale. And lest anyone think I'm a killjoy, let her ride all the motorcycles she wants but when you have a kid, you need to be more careful. When you've lost one child to a motorcycle accident, you need to be ultra-vigilant and, I don't know, put the motorcycle and other dangerous hobbies away.

She starts pacing and then folks, she dares to say this to Liam: "You already took Phoebe away from me. And now you're taking Kelly?"

Newsflash, sweetums, Phoebe was NEVER your child. She was stolen from Liam and Hope and kept from them for the better part of a year and what set that little chain of events in motion? Oh, that's right, your quest to adopt an insta-sister for Kelly and fodder to rope Liam into playing daddy after he had just lost his other daughter.

She adds this: "Why are you always punishing me?"

If by punishing her, she's referring to him dumping her lying, cheating with his father, skanky heifer self as punishing, once again, I say, please cease and desist with the revisionist history. Nobody is buying it but you.

My God, drugs or not, she is fucking insufferable.

But this is classic addict behavior - lie like it's their full-time job, manipulate, wallow in their sorrow, point fingers at others, play the blame game, deflect, deflect, deflect. Of course, when I look back at Steffy's decidedly checkered past...yeah, she was a master manipulator and liar long before her accident. 

Liam is not about to be cowed by this and, in fact, I'd say she pissed him right the fuck off. He shouts back: "You have a problem and the situation is completely out of your control now." 

On a dime, Steffy's demeanor changes and momentarily calm, she tells him to stop being dramatic.

The only person acting like a drama queen is her.

Liam: "Your family needs to know about your problem and until you get professional help, you won't be seeing Kelly."

And with that, he walks out.

Good for you, Liam. Good for you for standing up for your child and for putting her needs first.

Steffy starts blubbering again.

She then starts scrambling around, looking for her keys. 

Enter Thomas, who doesn't seem quite as surprised as one would think to see the Tazmanian Devil his sister has turned into.

She screams at him to leave, but he tells her to talk to him.

Steffy: "Liam took Kelly" Waw waw waw! She characterizes the situation as him stealing her baby and taking her to Hope. 

When Thomas asks the obvious question, "Why?," she lies her ass off, acting as if she has no idea, and continues to scurry around her apartment.

Thomas, looking unsettled as he watches the whirling dervish that is his sister: "I hate Liam, can't stand the guy, but...this seems a little over the top." 

When even Thomas is questioning this, what does that say?

Steffy protests: "I'm not exaggerating!"

She lies some more, insisting: "I didn't do anything wrong." You took illegal drugs, passed out, and tried to lie about both. She couldn't be more wrong.

She finally finds her keys and races out to get her child, despite Thomas attempting to stop her.

I highly doubt those pills have worn off, so nice, let's just endanger the citizens of California while we're at it, shall we?

We cut back to Brooke's house and Liam has arrived and he fills his wife and mother-in-law in on the latest. But I know, he was supposed to hunt down Ridge first from wherever the hell he's been lately (likely with new wife, Shauna) and Thomas, his obvious enemy, and fill them in first. 

Brooke is concerned and immediately asks the million-dollar question: "Where did she get the pills, if not from her doctor?"

Liam: "I don't know and she screamed at me when I tried to get answers out of her."

Hope expresses concern for Kelly as any sane-minded person with an ounce of compassion would, saying "we can't leave Kelly there" but Liam is quick to assure her that he has Kelly and she's playing with Douglas and Beth.

Liam is as serious as we've ever seen him as he relays, a bit sadly, that "I had to do it. I had to protect my daughter." Damn straight.

Hope tries to call Steffy but Liam thinks that's a lost cause. He's not wrong here.

All three of them can hardly believe that Steffy is addicted and are still in disbelief, but they both reassure him that he did the right thing. And he did and I back him on this 100%.

Liam has pissed me off to no end at times, but if I was in his shoes, I wouldn't be stopping to hesitate one iota if I saw my ex passed out on the couch with my child fending for herself in the next room. And something tells me that if it had been Hope passed out and Liam had done the same thing? Whoo-boy, can you imagine? I see a parade being thrown in his honor.

The bottom line is that no one would leave a child stay with a mother who is so high on pain meds she has to be visibly shaken and shouted at to wake up.

Oh and speaking of Hope and pills, I'm laughing at the attempts to make comparisons between Hope's nanosecond of taking pills, which she very quickly stopped and this after coming clean about getting them from Amber (which she didn't know immediately while Steffy did know the pills she was taking were illegal from jump). Also, Hope was all of twenty years old (her pill storyline took place two years after she graduated highschool) vs thirty-something Steffy. And - most importantly - the only person Hope was endangering was herself. Night and day here.

Before they can blink, Steffy is there, ranting about Kelly.

And how fast did she drive?

She keeps ranting, proving once again he was absolutely right to get Kelly out of that situation.

Liam: "You need to get help, check yourself into a program."

Sputtering at this, Steffy fixes her mouth to snarl at Hope: "Is Liam not enough for you, huh? Huh, Hope? Now you want my daughter, too? There is no way in hell I'm gonna allow that. No way in hell. Give me my daughter. NOW! I want my daughter! Now!"

Well her wants disintegrated the moment she decided she cared about getting her next fix instead of her own kid.

There's also a little thing called child endangerment, Steffy, so it's no longer up to you alone to decide anything. No judge in her/his right mind would give Steffy full custody of that little girl in the condition she's in right now.

And heifer should know this, but as usual, it's all about her.

[NetflixandChill]

26 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

 

She starts pacing and then folks, she dares to say this to Liam: "You already took Phoebe away from me. And now you're taking Kelly?"

Newsflash, sweetums, Phoebe was NEVER your child. She was stolen from Liam and Hope and kept from them for the better part of a year and what set that little chain of events in motion? Oh, that's right, your quest to adopt an insta-sister for Kelly and fodder to rope Liam into playing daddy after he had just lost his other daughter.

 

But Steffy didn't take Beth from Hope and Liam. She had no idea she was raising their child. She adopted a child that happened to be a kidnapped child, which she didn't know. So to say that the child was never hers is getting a little too close to saying adopted children aren't actually the children of the parents who adopt them, which I hope isn't what you're actually implying. 

And Beth being taken from her is of course painful. They spent nearly a year on the switch only to totally brush over the actual reveal, but Steffy did raise the child for nearly a year as her own, so of course she'd have a lot of pain tied up in that child being ripped from her. She literally came home to find Hope and Liam with Beth telling her it's their child and then Brooke and Ridge barge in for Brooke to throw oil on the fire by acting like Steffy is deranged to be confused and upset at what's just been thrown at her. And without being given a single moment to process any of it, they took Beth, and Liam just walked on out, like he hadn't been living there. She's pulled some shitting things in her history as a character, but Steffy didn't do anything wrong in that storyline, and she very much so got the short end of the stick. And it's only now with this botched addict storyline that she's even being allowed to acknowledge it. 

On another note, my god, why can none of these characters make decisions that don't automatically make things 100% worse? Liam was right when he said Steffy's family needed to know. So he should've gotten Ridge or Thomas over there, let them both see what he does, everyone have a conversation, and then take Kelly back to his place rather than just leaving Steffy by herself, only to then go and immediately tell Brooke and Hope, when Ridge and Thomas still have no idea what the hell is even going on. 

[LittleIggy]

Except Steffy’s desire for an instant sister for Kelly put the whole babynapping scheme in motion. Also, that adoption was so black market it was ridiculous.

[Gam2]

14 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

Except Steffy’s desire for an instant sister for Kelly put the whole babynapping scheme in motion. Also, that adoption was so black market it was ridiculous.

That entire story line was one of the most absurd stories in soap history. I want a sibling for my daughter. Oh, Mom! You know someone who has a baby for sale? Yay for us. We can pick her up tomorrow! Yippee! Geez Louise. Give us all a freaking break.

Why didn’t Liam ask Steffy once where the pills came from? Where did she get them? Who gave them to her? There’s no printed information on them so clearly they did not come from a pharmacy. ?????

Could Steffy have said the words “my daughter” more times today?! She has a name. USE IT!!!

 

[CountryGirl]

24 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

Except Steffy’s desire for an instant sister for Kelly put the whole babynapping scheme in motion. Also, that adoption was so black market it was ridiculous.

Yes, to all of this. The fact that barely two weeks passed from the time Steffy decided she wanted to adopt, she had a child alone should have said something was off. The $250,000 price tag in cash to boot. The doctor facilitating the adoption vs an agency or legal professional. All of it stunk to high heaven. 

 

46 minutes ago, NetflixandChill said:

But Steffy didn't take Beth from Hope and Liam. She had no idea she was raising their child. She adopted a child that happened to be a kidnapped child, which she didn't know. So to say that the child was never hers is getting a little too close to saying adopted children aren't actually the children of the parents who adopt them, which I hope isn't what you're actually implying. 

And Beth being taken from her is of course painful. They spent nearly a year on the switch only to totally brush over the actual reveal, but Steffy did raise the child for nearly a year as her own, so of course she'd have a lot of pain tied up in that child being ripped from her. She literally came home to find Hope and Liam with Beth telling her it's their child and then Brooke and Ridge barge in for Brooke to throw oil on the fire by acting like Steffy is deranged to be confused and upset at what's just been thrown at her. And without being given a single moment to process any of it, they took Beth, and Liam just walked on out, like he hadn't been living there. She's pulled some shitting things in her history as a character, but Steffy didn't do anything wrong in that storyline, and she very much so got the short end of the stick.

Beth was stolen from her parents. Of course, Steffy could not have known the child she illegally adopted was Beth, but again, there were the hugest of red flags waving in the wind that were screaming something was very, very off with the entire process. And again, Steffy being hell-bent on insta-adopting asap helped set events in motion. The fact remains that Beth was never actually adopted by Steffy since last time I checked,  kidnapping, human trafficking, and pure old-fashioned black market baby selling do not a legal adoption make. Beth was never Steffy's in that sense.  I don't appreciate the insinuation or the extreme overreach that I somehow think adopted children aren't their parent's children, and quite frankly, I find that very insulting, particularly as I am the aunt of an adopted child and am looking into adopting myself.

Furthermore, I did have empathy for Steffy, but I drew the line when she expected Hope, who had been robbed of her child for the better part of a year, to give her who knows how much time to process that Phoebe was really Beth. And when you compare her pain to Hope and Liam having a DEAD BABY shoved into their arms and being told it was their child? When they were lied to and gaslit for the better part of a year that their child was dead by multiple people? It is not remotely comparable. Beth is Kelly's little sister - they will always be in each other's lives and Steffy can be in Beth's life as well. So again, it is sad for Steffy, but nothing on the level Liam and Hope suffered and I'm sorry, IMO, I think Steffy is playing the Fauxbe card now because she grasping at anything to justify her addiction, which is what addicts (I've known a few in my lifetime, my own father included) do. 

[CharlizeCat]

Why does Kelly need a baby monitor and crib if she's 4?

JMW's acting today made me think she'd been watching videos of rabid dogs for tips. 

Could Steffy possibly get arrested for child endangerment?

 

[CountryGirl]

6 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Basically, her addiction storyline needed to be about how she finally moved on for her to have this major setback and her clinging to her crumbling Wonder Woman image - not about the past with Liam.

And see, that I could have gotten on board with. I've never been a huge Steffy fan (obviously LOL) but I could get behind her moving on/being independent and then having this setback and loved the idea you, @TobinAlbers, had about Steffy meeting Finn and having a night of fun (ala Derek and Meredith on Grey's Anatomy) and then the accident and oh, the sexy stranger she brought home from the bar is her doctor.

Furthermore, I would be thrilled beyond measure if instead of trotting out triangles and women, particularly those in their 50s, catfighting over some typically-isn't-worth-it-man, we see some real female friendships and I'm not talking about Quinn and Shauna as they are a toxic twosome. How refreshing would it be for Hope and Steffy, long-time step-siblings to bond as Steffy moves on, especially with Steffy having lost her twin sister (and I adored Phoebe for pretty much the entirety of her time on the show) and Hope not being as close to Bridget because of the obvious.

As much as the cake fight at the Lope wedding was eyeroll-worthy, I did enjoy seeing Steffy and Hope bond and being united in making their moms do the walk of shame and answer for their childish antics. For all  I play at having a heart of stone sometimes, I'm really a softy and while it might not be as soapy, I enjoy seeing friendships and people getting along. Especially now. I'd love to see Steffy and Hope becoming friends - well, friends might not be realistic, given their history, but I guess not enemies? Where they are bonded in their love for their daughters, who are sisters. Where Hope can cheer on Steffy finding love again, not because it's someone not named Liam Spencer, but because she's genuinely happy for her. Where Steffy can find THE real love of her life and realize Liam was just a stand-in for the real thing. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Wait, again someone has left Kelly sitting in a car by herself? OMG, if Kelly ends up hurt because of something Liam or Hope did, the war between the Forresters and Logans and Spencers will go nuclear.

Sigh, Hope and her wishful thinking about Finn and Steffy. She's way too invested in it IMO.

Unless Steffy straps Kelly into her bed at night or locks her bedroom door, seems to me Kelly could get out and walk off the cliff at any time while Steffy's asleep. I think at some point Steffy might need to move, at least until Kelly's old enough to take care of herself.

Sounded to me like Hope would be ready to wage an immediate custody battle to protect Kelly. Because nobody is a better mother to Forrester children than Hope. Just ask her. 😒

Was Steffy supposed to be under the influence of drugs today? She was acting like a raging drunk to me. I didn't know narcotics turned you hyper.

It's a wonder Steffy didn't get a DUI--unless Thomas drove her to Brooke's house. Whatever, they better not let her leave like that or they could be held liable if she causes an accident.

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Thomas looked mighty shady as Steffy was unraveling. 

He sure did. He was almost egging her on. Funny how he knew right when to show up. Wonder if he has some kind of surveillance on Steffy's house?

[TobinAlbers]

3 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Wait, again someone has left Kelly sitting in a car by herself? OMG, if Kelly ends up hurt because of something Liam or Hope did, the war between the Forresters and Logans and Spencers will go nuclear.

Yeah, when Hope did the same thing the other day I thought they were planting a bait and switch on how Kelly would get hurt. We think it’s because of Steffy and it ends up being Hope/Liam leaving her unattended in the car.

I get why the show has to do that- they can’t show Liam rushing off with Kelly since no kids on set, but then you have Liam say his lines and storm into the nursery with Steffy crying. Then later you cut back to Steffy sobbing in the open doorway of the house yelling after Liam letting us know Liam is gone.

If Covid distancing wasn’t in play, I wonder if they’d have had Steffy attack Liam to prevent him from taking Kelly because her anger and vitriol sure seemed to lean towards that. Of course if she had done that, she could kiss custody good-bye for a good long while.  But in different times, Steffy clocking Liam and Thomas hiding his body to help his sister out would’ve been some kind of story. 

Steffy obviously isn’t thinking clearly- why storm around the main house when you know Hope/Liam live at the gate house/cabin? Unless Liam’s car was parked out front, I’d have thought she’d gone to the cabin first where she’d have found the kids. Liam goes back to check on them to find Kelly gone with a crazed Steffy and no clue where she’s hiding. You could’ve had her go hide at Vinny’s or run to Finn where Finn realizes his new girlfriend has slipped over the edge or she has a car accident with Kelly and she hits rock bottom. Then in the urgent medical crisis aftermath everybody can get their wanted reveal that Liam isn’t Kelly’s father but Bill and we understand what the point of the addiction story was really about 😉

[lightninggirl]

I appreciated Stuffy lashing out at WaffleBoy for taking off and leaving her. She's constantly acting like she was the one who pushed him out the door with Beth, like she made that decision for him to go back to Dope. I thought FINALLY we're drilling down into Stuffy's pain about being alone. Yes, I know that she's still got that large picture of her & WaffleBoy on her wall (y'know, "For Kelly"), but I'm glad she spoke her mind about being alone/lonely to where he could hear it.

[LittleIggy]

2 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Why does Kelly need a baby monitor and crib if she's 4?

JMW's acting today made me think she'd been watching videos of rabid dogs for tips. 

Could Steffy possibly get arrested for child endangerment?

 

I can only hope so! 
Kelly sleeps so much she needs to be screened for narcolepsy. 😏

38 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

I appreciated Stuffy lashing out at WaffleBoy for taking off and leaving her. She's constantly acting like she was the one who pushed him out the door with Beth, like she made that decision for him to go back to Dope. I thought FINALLY we're drilling down into Stuffy's pain about being alone. Yes, I know that she's still got that large picture of her & WaffleBoy on her wall (y'know, "For Kelly"), but I'm glad she spoke her mind about being alone/lonely to where he could hear it.

If she’s lonely, she needs to do something about it. 🙄

[NetflixandChill]

5 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

 

If she’s lonely, she needs to do something about it. 🙄

 She is trying to do something about it, but he's all over her and everyone else about that. The only reason he's found out about the pills is because he was so worked up over her getting cozy with the doctor and just happened to find her passed out, but if she'd been awake and with it when he came over, that's what the fight was going to be about. 

[lightninggirl]

1 minute ago, NetflixandChill said:

 She is trying to do something about it, but he's all over her and everyone else about that. The only reason he's found out about the pills is because he was so worked up over her getting cozy with the doctor 

^^ ALL of this! He's bitched about Doc Housecall to everyone within earshot, and I'm shocked he doesn't have a PI recording his every move.

[CharlizeCat]

When Liam showed up at Brooke's house, he told Brooke and Hope that he had dropped Kelly off at the cabin where Donna was watching Douglas and Beth, so he didn't leave Kelly in the car. But you had to be quick to have caught it! (I watch with closed captioning) 😉

[lightninggirl]

23 minutes ago, CharlizeCat said:

When Liam showed up at Brooke's house, he told Brooke and Hope that he had dropped Kelly off at the cabin where Donna was watching Douglas and Beth, so he didn't leave Kelly in the car. But you had to be quick to have caught it! (I watch with closed captioning) 😉

Actually, he left Kelly in the car after he first Kelly-napped her while Stuffy wasn't looking/in another room. Then he went back into the house to tell Stuffy he had napped Kelly and that she was in the car. I want to say he said, "I can see her" while looking out the door/in her direction and maybe something about the windows in the car being cracked, but I'm not 100% sure about the cracked windows thing.

[Waldo13]

Stuffy must be on pure adrenaline because she was bouncing all over the place without wincing in pain even once. Liam took Kelly but did he take the pills?  

I do have to commend TIIC, because they finally got a story correct with Stuffy’s dependency on opioids and how she would react. 

 I like Stuffy much better when she’s out of control having hissy fits. It just seems more natural to her than when she’s being sweet and innocent. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

I'm hoping the way they keep mentioning that Kelly has been left in the car by herself is like a Chekhov's gun or something because otherwise I think it's really irresponsible for the show to have that in the dialogue. They shouldn't be giving viewers the impression that leaving a young child unattended is a vehicle is okay, even for a minute.

We know the show can't have the kids on set now so I don't think anyone is really looking for dialogue to explain where Kelly, Beth, and Douglas are every minute or how they're moving from one place to another. Heck, we still don't know where Thomas is living, do we? Is he at Eric's? Is he at Vinny's? Is he in a hotel? He just pops up at other people's houses and no one worries about how he's zipping around all over town.

For sure there's going to be a custody fight over Kelly so maybe Liam and Hope's habit of leaving Kelly in the car by herself is what's going to lose them the case. Maybe someone will snatch Kelly out of the car, but it'll be someone Steffy knows like Vinny or Finn. They'll do it to make Hope and Liam look bad and to help keep Steffy from losing custody.

[bannana]

8 hours ago, NetflixandChill said:

On another note, my god, why can none of these characters make decisions that don't automatically make things 100% worse? Liam was right when he said Steffy's family needed to know. So he should've gotten Ridge or Thomas over there, let them both see what he does, everyone have a conversation, and then take Kelly back to his place rather than just leaving Steffy by herself, only to then go and immediately tell Brooke and Hope, when Ridge and Thomas still have no idea what the hell is even going on. 

Yes, Liam was quite incompetent in this regard. WTF was he thinking, leaving Steffy alone?! A simple call to Ridge and that would have ensured she was okay. He just leaves her when he knows she is out of control. Idiot.

[bannana]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm hoping the way they keep mentioning that Kelly has been left in the car by herself is like a Chekhov's gun or something because otherwise I think it's really irresponsible for the show to have that in the dialogue. They shouldn't be giving viewers the impression that leaving a young child unattended is a vehicle is okay, even for a minute.

This is making me crazy. Especially when he said, I can see her. We know he cannot see her because we know the outside of the beach house and the driveway is nowhere near the door or the sidewalk where Steffy latched onto Liam wailing to not leave her.

[bannana]

12 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Basically, her addiction storyline needed to be about how she finally moved on for her to have this major setback and her clinging to her crumbling Wonder Woman image - not about the past with Liam.

Yeah, this is too bad; this is where Show is so much dumber than the audience and the actors. 

5 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Wait, again someone has left Kelly sitting in a car by herself?

WTAF is wrong with these people? Especially Hope, whose child was kidnapped!!!

Okay, I am going to say this: JMW is doing a fantastic job portraying a person out of control because of her addiction. (Putting aside the stupid it's Liam's fault cause he left me storyline).

She may be chewing the scenery but this is the best we have ever seen from this actress, and I am enjoying it! Especially all of the reactions.

[CountryGirl]

Unless Steffy has sole physical custody, which has not been shown to be the case on the show, then what Liam did is not kidnapping. Considering Beth was actually kidnapped, I'm feeling some kind of way about what happened with Kelly being labeled as kidnapping. 

IME, Kelly being in the car is much ado about nothing because it's pandemic-driven. 

Also, as far as Liam contacting Steffy's family immediately, well, Thomas, Steffy's brother, showed up about 30 seconds after Liam left and he did nothing to defuse the situation, much less stop her from leaving, even after seeing the state she is in. And he did share his concerns, not just about Dr. Finn but about Steffy's recovery, period, with Ridge and Thomas a few days prior.

Ridge could not have cared less about his precious as he basically wanted to join in and chuckle about Liam being a waffle (when Hello, Pot? This is Kettle. You're black!") so not sure how much His Royal Self-Absorbedness would have helped here, exactly. 

There are no plans to bring back HT or recast Taylor and given her state the last time she was on canvas, I'm sure she'd be of no help as she would make it all about her, shriek about evil $ Bill and the evil Logans, and it would be Steffy taking care of her. So while in theory, of course, an addict's family should be clued in, but (1) as I mentioned already, he did clue them in days ago that he had serious concerns about her recovery, especially about it being compromised by the blurred lines of doctor/patient and (2), considering Steffy's family/support system, well, a pack of wolves would be more helpful to Steffy at this point.

[backhometome]

I cant stand holier than thou Brooke and Hope. I knew this story would turn into them wanting to take Kelly from Steffy. 

[LittleIggy]

1 hour ago, backhometome said:

I cant stand holier than thou Brooke and Hope. I knew this story would turn into them wanting to take Kelly from Steffy. 

Who said they wanted to do that? Kelly may need to stay with Liam and Hope while Stuffy gets help. The poor kid would probably love it. She gets to play with her sister and cousin instead of sleeping all the time at her mother’s house.

[LittleIggy]

On 9/23/2020 at 10:55 PM, NetflixandChill said:

 She is trying to do something about it, but he's all over her and everyone else about that. The only reason he's found out about the pills is because he was so worked up over her getting cozy with the doctor and just happened to find her passed out, but if she'd been awake and with it when he came over, that's what the fight was going to be about. 

I meant before the accident. Steffy never even tried to date anyone else. She was just obsessed with  Liam.  BTW, she is way too fixated on Kelly. I would love to see a flash-forward of Steffy and Kelly living like the Grey Gardens mother and daughter! 😆

Edited September 25, 2020 by LittleIggy

[RuntheTable]

Thank you @TobinAlbers for that shout out. I think that scenario would be right in Thomas's wheelhouse. He has never hesitated to throw anyone under the bus, and will hurt anyone he needs to in order to achieve his goals. 

19 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

She starts pacing and then folks, she dares to say this to Liam: "You already took Phoebe away from me. And now you're taking Kelly?"

You picked up on that too huh? I am hoping it was Steffy's stressed out state; but the thing about Opioids is they act much like alcohol on the brain and the psyche in that they are almost like a truth serum. You get the warm and fuzzies, and you just start dumping out your true feelings. 

19 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

The bottom line is that no one would leave a child stay with a mother who is so high on pain meds she has to be visibly shaken and shouted at to wake up.

Case in point; my niece has a blended family, with her two sons, and her husband's son and daughter. They are stairs steps, currently 25, 24, 23 and 22, with the youngest being his son. When the 22 year old was 5 he was alone with his mom in their apartment. She was passed out on the couch from something. The 5 year old wakes up and comes to wake mommy, who is out cold. So the 5 year old decides that maybe if he lights mommy's favorite candle she would wake up. So, he grabs her lighter and goes into her bedroom, but can't reach the candle, so he uses something to knock it off the chest; leaving the melting plate. He put the candle on the bed and lit it, the candle tipped over and caught the bed on fire. The neighbor in the next apartment started smelling smoke and came out to his balcony and saw the smoke coming from the bedroom window. His quick actions saved the 5 year old and his mom. When he and two other neighbors managed to break down the door, the 5 year old was sitting in front of his still unconscious mother playing with a truck, while shrouded in smoke and completely oblivious to the danger he was in. Eighteen people lost their homes that day. My niece and her nephew were able to get custody after this. So go Liam and Hope. 

@NetflixandChill I am no Steffy fan, but I agree with you. Steffy was just as much a victim of Dr. Shady Brady as Hope and Liam. I do think Steffy and Taylor overlooked a lot of red flags in the adoption process, but of course there is always plot contrivance. But I also think they were both in a hurry to get somewhere;  Steffy wanted more ammo in her arsenal to get Liam back, and Taylor was looking to plug Brooke with some new bullets. But all the same, that doesn't change the fact that Steffy was duped, or that she bonded with PhoBeth. I foster dogs, and I generally never have them longer than six months, but it doesn't matter if it is a month or a year; I bond with them and I love them, and it is hard as hell to let them go. But I have to, so I can help the next one. So I totally get that Steffy was in pain too. 

17 hours ago, Gam2 said:

That entire story line was one of the most absurd stories in soap history. I want a sibling for my daughter. Oh, Mom! You know someone who has a baby for sale? Yay for us. We can pick her up tomorrow! Yippee! Geez Louise. Give us all a freaking break.

I have never hated a SL more, and I have been watching soaps since I was a little kid in the sixties. 

Does anyone know what Liam did with the remaining pills? Did he take them? Why would he leave them since it is his only evidence. 

Edited September 24, 2020 by RuntheTable

[Waldo13]

23 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

I meant before the accident. Steffy never even tried to date anyone else. She was just obsessed Liam.  BTW, she is way too fixated on Kelly. I would love to see a flash-forward of Steffy and Kelly living like the Grey Gardens mother and daughter! 😆

I would think of it more as a Miss Havisham and Estella situation. 

[CountryGirl]

37 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

Who said they wanted to do that? Kelly may need to stay with Liam and Hope while Stuffy gets help. The poor kid would probably love it. She gets to play with her sister and cousin instead of sleeping all the time at her mother’s house.

This. Exactly. 

Liam is the one who quite rightly removed Kelly from a dangerous situation and yes, taking illegal drugs and passing out, leaving your very young daughter essentially alone in a cliff house that is where? Oh, that's right, right next to the Pacific Ocean, is all kinds of dangerous.

Hope and Brooke knew nothing about it and in fact, when Hope went to call Steffy, that's when Liam told her that he had brought Kelly back with him. 

Whether they want this or not is entirely irrelevant as it is in Kelly's best interest to be cared for by someone capable (her father) while Steffy is getting her life together. And I have a very good feeling that had Hope and/or Brooke just hand-waved it as oh, Steffy will be fine, the ensuing outcry from that, given that they are both accused of not giving two shits about Kelly already (which, not true), would make the outcry over the 'napping that wasn't look like child's play. And really, which is it? They either don't give a shit or they care too much. It can't be both.

[lightninggirl]

4 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Unless Steffy has sole physical custody, which has not been shown to be the case on the show, then what Liam did is not kidnapping. Considering Beth was actually kidnapped, I'm feeling some kind of way about what happened with Kelly being labeled as kidnapping. 

IME, Kelly being in the car is much ado about nothing because it's pandemic-driven. 

I did say "Kelly-napped" in a previous comment, but I understand the difference between what happened to Beth vs. Liam taking Kelly out and into the car. I agree with you that it's absolutely NOWHERE on the same scale as Beth's kidnapping at all, but if a custodial parent takes a child from another parent without their knowledge or consent it's a total dick move and if it's done repeatedly could result in further court hearings.* Liam could have called Ridge, Thomas, and/or Taylor and arranged to sit down with Stuffy a la an Intervention episode** and, in a completely non-threatening manner, working with her to A) admit her pill issue and B) set up a plan for her to initially detox and then rehab.

I will completely disagree with Kelly being in the car being much ado about nothing because of heat/safety issues and the fact that the writers were too fucking lazy to write anyone coming and helping out with watching her. A line like "I called Nanny XY and she met me outside; she's with Kelly at the car right now" would have sufficed. Were WaffleBoy at the DMV or a WalMart and pulled that, the police would've been called.

*I have first-hand life experience with joint custody and parent/grandparent visitation, so I'm not talking out my ass here.
**I also have first-hand real-life experiences (yes, multiple) with both staging and participating in interventions, including ones with minor children/custody issues, and I'm REALLY not talking out my ass here, either. My last intervention was less than two weeks ago, and I left that one with temporary guardianship of a four-day-old baby.

Edited September 24, 2020 by lightninggirl

[CountryGirl]

5 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

I will completely disagree with Kelly being in the car being much ado about nothing because of heat/safety issues and the fact that the writers were too fucking lazy to write anyone coming and helping out with watching her. A line like "I called Nanny XY and she met me outside; she's with Kelly at the car right now" would have sufficed. Were WaffleBoy at the DMV or a WalMart and pulled that, the police would've been called.

I am saying it's much ado about nothing from the perspective of the definitely "too fucking lazy" writers bothering to explain that away. I would hope you wouldn't seriously think I would be casual about a child being left in a car - period. 

In a former life, I was a family law attorney and know far more than I ever cared to about child custody cases, but I tend not to get too much into the weeds with that vs show because we all know how they play fast and loose with the law. Ridge and Brooke's insta-divorce #12 (I've lost count honestly) being the latest example. 

[RuntheTable]

Nothing like some Logan - Forrester action to liven things up. 

And here is a picture of a Hovercat:

[Joimiaroxeu]

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IME, Kelly being in the car is much ado about nothing because it's pandemic-driven. 

I think it's much ado about nothing on the writers' part unless Kelly's being left alone in vehicles is a deliberate part of a developing storyline. But even then, IMO they should at least let the audience know that they are not condoning this practice. Otherwise, I feel like they can just stop mentioning altogether how the kids are getting around. We know the adults are transporting them and we don't need to know the mechanics of how it happens just because we can't actually see the kids being shuffled in and out of whoever's house. Geez, give the audience some credit, Bradley.

[Gam2]

I was just so disappointed that Steffy only said “my daughter” 11,876 times today! Oh. She did call her Kelly once. So there’s that.

[blackwing]

I don't understand why this is even a question... Steffy is clearly addicted to pills and is putting her child in danger.  Liam is the child's father.  Why doesn't he just go to the courts and get temporary full custody?  Or have her declared unfit?  Why has the show featured three days of arguing about this?  I dislike Liam a lot, but he is the child's father and he has every right to be concerned about her safety and wellbeing.

The cynic in me says the only purpose of this is to hand Jackie Wood another Emmy.  I have no doubt these shows will be her Emmy submission.  I think she is a terrible actress, and I found the screeching and face scrunching to be laughable.

On 9/22/2020 at 7:16 PM, Gam2 said:

What grown woman has the name “Steffy”? Really? She’s not five years old. 

Well, there's Steffi Graf.  And even though I don't like her, in her defence, I think she has been called Steffy since birth, and they called her Steffy to distinguish her from Stephanie.  It would have been confusing when they were on the show at the same time.  And I guess it's hard to all of a sudden decide that you're going to be Stephanie instead of Steffy.  I know plenty of grown adults who still call themselves Jenny, Missy, Bobby, Jimmy, Tommy, etc.

 

 

 

[CountryGirl]

Show was firing on all cylinders again today and while I'm not loving the add-water and Steffy is an instant addict storyline, it's a welcome change from the GarBridge chronicles with cackling hens Quinn/Shauna and the Felony Show.

We open right where we left off yesterday with Steffy, Liam, Hope, and Brooke in a stand-off.

Liam, trying to reason with Steffy: "You shouldn't be alone with Kelly right now."

Hope and Brooke immediately offer to have Steffy stay there with them, at least for the night, but Steffy won't hear of it, saying: "I'm going home. With Kelly."

She then blasts Hope and is completely out of line with these words: "Hope's on a mission, Taking Phoebe wasn't enough. Taking Douglas wasn't enough. Now you're trying to take my daughter, too?"

Hope, horrified, "No! Not at all!"

But Steffy isn't finished, snarling: "What kind of sick person makes a hobby of collecting another family's children? You're not taking my daughter! Give her to me! NOW!" Again, she is so, so out of line here. Thomas was being emotionally abusive and actually, with the grabbiness, physically abusive with Douglas. That they have hand-waved all of that since show has been back doesn't change what happened before the hiatus. And no one else was all that interested in taking care of Douglas, not his grandfather, uncle Bill, grandmothers Karen and Dani, or his Aunt Steffy. Also, Steffy conveniently forgets that it was Thomas, himself, who wanted to use Douglas to woo Hope.

She once again mocks Liam for being concerned because she took "one freaking pill!"

Brooke and Hope, clearly caught off guard, try to reassure her that they just want to keep Kelly safe and emphasize wanting to keep her there temporarily. And I can't help recalling how Steffy mocked Hope to high heaven when she learned of Hope's addiction. The contrast here is amazing. 

Steffy screams: "Get out of my way! I'm getting my daughter!" as she starts up the staircase.

 Hope tells her that Kelly isn't up there and the panic on Steffy's face is palpable and I have to acknowledge JMW here. While the storyline has been rushed and some of histrionics have been a bit of the scenery-gnashing variety, I have seen her grow as an actress this week and it's the quieter, vulnerable moments that have impressed me most.

It does not need to be said that Steffy's panic would be a million times worse if she had woken up on her own and Kelly had been gone and you can see that flash across Steffy's mind as she gulps and calms for a moment.

Hope gets a text from Donna and Hope shares that she and the kids are back at the cabin.

Steffy angers again, threatening that she'll take Kelly home, even if she has to call the police. Go ahead and call them, dear. I highly doubt they'd let her waltz off with her daughter in the state she's in.

Brooke: "Steffy, you need to focus on your health." She is exactly right here.

Hope, gently, admonishes Steffy for taking pain medication and lying about it, with Liam adding she needs help. Clearly.

It's an intervention of sorts and, predictably, this goes the way of many interventions.

Steffy is defensive: "You think you need to protect Kelly from me, her mother?"

Liam, looking like a sad lion again, tells her: "You're not yourself. It's not your fault, but the pills got a hold of you."

Brooke, thinking of her own battle with addiction, adds: "It's nothing to be ashamed of."

Steffy is furious at this: "You can save it!"

Brooke: "You've developed an addiction."

Steffy: "Just because you can't control yourself around alcohol, don't go inventing addictions for everyone else." Nice...mocking Brooke's addiction even as Brooke is being so compassionate about her own.

Brooke: "This is not about me, Steffy."

Steffy: "You got that right, so stay out of it!"

Brooke: "Whether you want to admit it or not, you have developed a serious issue. Otherwise, why lie about it?" Excellent point.

Steffy snaps: "I'm not lying! You're the ones' lying, pretending you're not taking Kelly from me."

Hope: "About the pills, Steffy. You're lying."

Liam tries to reason with her: "Which has to tell you something, right? That there's something wrong. Can't you at least admit that?"

Steffy glares at him. 

Liam, frustrated, cuts to the chase and calls out Steffy, recalling how he found her passed out and finally gets her attention when he questions the million "what ifs" that ran through his mind at finding his ex in that condition. Including what if he hadn't come by and Kelly had woken up and been scared and crying and hungry and all alone with a mother dead to the world in the house?

And again, here is where JMW shines as she drops the OTT mama bear shouting match and the "what ifs" penetrate the anger and the fog for the first time and the fear and yes, the shame, creeps in. For just an instant.

Liam makes it clear he is going to stand up for her for Kelly's sake, saying: "I am Kelly’s father, my whole purpose in life is to do what’s right by her." And that doesn't require him to be married to the wife who cheated on him to do it.

Steffy dissolves into tears that they have stolen her daughter and she wants her back now. And I'm cringing at the use of "stolen." Steffy, of all people, should know how painful that word is and the reminder to Liam and Hope that their daughter was stolen from them.

Hope, who is not the doormat she has been in the past, remains calm but calls Steffy out on saying this: "Are you really going to say that? To me? Nobody has kidnapped your daughter." And I'm so glad they gave Hope that line.

Over at the cliff house, Ridge has arrived, presumably Thomas called him. 

Thomas shares that Steffy went to Hope's place and she's not okay in the slightest.

Ridge: "Okay, you're scaring me."

Thomas: "Steffy wasn't herself. She was running around, scrambling for her keys and saying Liam was making all these accusations."

He floors Ridge when he tells him that according to Steffy (not the most reliable source these days), Liam kidnapped Kelly.

Ridge, in a rare moment of making sense, says: "There must have been some kind of misunderstanding."

Thomas: "She felt Liam was calling her an unfit mother." He shrugs here and it's hard to get a read on whether he's in on the new pills or not. "I really couldn't understand her very well." 

Ridge: "That doesn't sound like Liam."

He thinks about how she was scurrying around the apartment and turning it upside down to find her keys.

Thomas: "I don't know what happened, but I have a feeling it's gonna get a helluva lot worse."

Ridge decides to call Brooke, but gets her voicemail. He leaves a message, asking after the situation as well as asking for her help and for the first time, seems genuinely concerned.

Thomas offers to call Hope and Ridge pulls a face, telling him "She's not gonna answer right now." Because, duh.

He decides the best thing for him to do at that point is for him to go to Brooke and tells Thomas to stay put in case Steffy comes home in the meantime.

Back at Brooke's, Steffy is fired up again as she continues to blame the Logans for everything, including covid, wildfires, hurricanes, and murder hornets. Okay, so I added that last bit. 

Brooke, who is calmer than I would be considering she's been trashed in her own house, tries to encourage Steffy to come clean.

Brooke: "You need help, Steffy. You must realize this."

Steffy cuts her off: "You know what I realize? I realize some things are never gonna change. Logans are always gonna take from Forresters."

And here we go. 

She then starts ranting about the Logans taking from her family and ugh, she reminds me of Taylor at her worst here.

Steffy: "You have no idea what you're talking about."

Brooke: "Steffy, it's nothing to be embarrassed about. It isn't uncommon."

Steffy: "Saaaave it. I don't need the intervention speech, your fake concern. All this garbage you're spewing, you don't care about me! You never cared about me, and you don't care about protecting my daughter! All you care about is taking Kelly away from me, cause that's what it's all about, that's what it's about, Logans taking from the Forresters. Well, enough is enough. It is done. You have taken from my grandmother, my mother, and now me. It ends here! I will not let you touch my daughter."

Not this old song-and-dance again. I had to laugh at her saying Brooke took from Stephanie. Meaning who? Eric, who chose to leave Stephanie of his own free will? Ridge? The son she loved "more than any man?" Again, they were grown-ass men and did what they wanted. And as far as collecting kids, Stephanie tried to do that with Rick and Bridget and later, Hope and RJ.

Hope wants to know what the Logans have ever taken from her and Steffy shouts: "You, Hope! You, worst of all! Without any consideration for my feelings, you stormed in my home and you took Phoebe away from me." Okay, they did not storm into her home. They were there, waiting before Steffy returned home, when Hope finally got to hold her daughter in her arms, knowing for the first time that they were mother and daughter. 

Hope is visibly wounded at the use of "Phoebe" and yeah, Steffy makes it hard for me to have sympathy when she insists on purposefully calling Beth "Phoebe."

When Hope says, sadly, "You mean Beth?," Steffy immediately snaps at her and says: "Oh my god, you didn't even give me a minute to process it. Not even a day to say goodbye. You just took her!" Because she was their child FFS and maybe it's selfish of me, but if that had been MY child, whom I had thought DEAD for the better part of a YEAR, and we were FINALLY reunited? I would have taken her home the same dang day as well.

And all this talk about giving Steffy time to process. Did Hope have time to process before a dead infant was placed in her arms? Did she have any inkling that her child was actually alive and being loved and cared for and that they would be reunited someday? No, because again, she thought she was dead. 

Liam: "Steffy..."

Steffy: "Oh shut up, just shut up, Liam!" And I'll admit, it almost took me out of the scene as I wanted to laugh and yes, kind of cheer Steffy on for telling him what we've all shouted at our tvs from time to time when it comes to Waffle Boy.

Steffy: "Then there's Douglas. My nephew who's been living with you. His mother died, but that didn't stop you from manipulating him into forgetting all about her."

Hope is aghast: "What???"

Steffy: "How soon before you push Thomas out of his life altogether? Cause I know that's what you're doing. That's your plan. Just like you're planning on doing with Kelly."

Hope, shocked, whispers: "No." She just spent time with Thomas mere hours ago, ignoring, I'm sure, the urge to flee, so they could co-parent Douglas, so stop with this nonsense, Steffy.

As for her ranting about them taking Douglas and manipulating him into seeing Hope as his new mommy, Thomas did that all on his own, including him threatening and menacing and scaring the crap out of an innocent little boy with the ghost trick.

Steffy: "Are you ever gonna be satisfied? Are you ever gonna be satisfied? You have Liam, you tore my family apart. Just like your mom did with my mine. Like you have everything. Enough is enough. You got Liam. You got two beautiful kids. 

There is so much wrong there. First, one cannot take or steal or force another person to be with them. And she conveniently forgets that she is the one who left Liam, cheating on him with his own father, and lied about it. That is what set events in motion. Had she not done that, I think it's a pretty safe bet that had she never cheated, she'd be with Liam to this very day. 

And blaming Brooke? 

That song is so old and dusty it makes the Macarena look fresh and new. Considering Taylor was in a pretty lengthy, stable marriage with Ridge while Brooke was on the outside looking in, unless Taylor was taking one of her dirt naps, this is complete revisionist bullshit. But it's clear Taylor has taught her children well. I'm sure the telling of bedtime stories about those wicked, wicked Logans were a nightly staple in the Tridge household.

She cries, saying she wishes her mother was there to witness this (but curiously not to counsel her), and Brooke, showing compassion and composure, especially in the face of somehow being the bane of Steffy's existence and partially responsible for her becoming an addict, tells her: "I do, too. We need all the help we can get." Which is giving whackadoo so-called shrink Taylor far more credit than she deserves. And I do feel for Steffy and Thomas for having to parent their own mother and to some extent, their father. But having Taylor here would be like pouring kerosene on a fire.

Steffy has heard enough, saying "I'm done, I'm done! I'm done with all of you. I'm getting my daughter!" and shebolts for the terrace doors to get Kelly.

But Hope, almost without realizing it, shows some mommy bear-ness of her own and blocks her path.

Steffy: "Don't even try."

Hope: "I know how much this hurts because I have been there, too, and I know you probably hate me right now, Steffy, but hopefully, one day you might thank me for this." Doubtful, but nice of you to be optimistic, Hope.

The pain is visible on her face but she stands her ground and says what she must, calmly, but firmly, mother to mother, telling Steffy: "Because I remember all those months you took care of Beth.  And you took such good care of her and I will forever be grateful to you for that and now, it's time for me to return the favor. Kelly will be staying here, in this house, until you get the help that you need. And she will be safe. And she will be loved and we will look out for her. We will give her everything that she needs, but you need to work on yourself.  And I hope you do, I really hope you do, because I want you to get back to that woman that I know. " And Hope is fully in tears here and Steffy looks just devastated here. Whatever she was expecting, this wasn't it, and I absolutely love Hope here as she adds: "That strong woman, that fearless woman, not someone who's reliant on drugs. And until Liam and me, we see some kind of proof that you're doing the work, that you're fighting to get better... our home...will be Kelly's home." 

The two women, both mothers, stare at each other, at an impasse as Liam looks on, clearly rocked by the exchange. But it made such perfect sense and was so effective having Hope be the one to talk to Steffy this way as they are both mommies to two little girls, sisters, one of whom's life will absolutely be impacted by this, especially if things go south. 

Honestly, great work by all four of these actors, but the MVPs were Jacqui, selling the wild swings between anger and sadness, and Annika, imbuing Hope with compassionate yet steely resolve. 

 

[Anna Yolei]

21 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

How refreshing would it be for Hope and Steffy, long-time step-siblings to bond as Steffy moves on, especially with Steffy having lost her twin sister (and I adored Phoebe for pretty much the entirety of her time on the show) and Hope not being as close to Bridget because of the obvious

It really should've been this way from the beginning and introduced some long-lost Forrester/Hayes-Hamilton cousin to be the spoiler in a love triangle if we *must* have one.

On 9/23/2020 at 1:42 PM, CountryGirl said:

And she has from the first. Even in the moments where she thought her own daughter had died, she has cared about Kelly. Just as she cared about Beth when she thought she was Phoebe, Steffy's fauxdopted daughter.

And before that, when Hope first returned shortly after Liam dumped Steffy, SHE was the one who talked him into going to the first ultrasound appointment.

People can miss me with that Evil Logan powergrab bullshit. No, that was Stephanie and Taylor. Twice.

5 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

have never hated a SL more, and I have been watching soaps since I was a little kid in the sixties. 

I've never seen a story do universally despised as the Beth kidnapping one. Not even the Ridge/Bridget nonsense, the low bar against which other bad stories were measured.

On 9/23/2020 at 1:42 PM, CountryGirl said:

She starts pacing and then folks, she dares to say this to Liam: "You already took Phoebe away from me. And now you're taking Kelly?"

She should've yelled "Thats not gonna happen, Liam! NOT GONNA HAPPEN!"  just for the lulz. I can't imagine the writers are clueless to how often that scene with Ridge and Rick had been memed.

But getting to the seriousness though, it speaks once again to her entitlement to a child that was legally never hers. And even if Beth was legally adopted, he'd be in the right to insist someone take her, too in this instance. Ridge was able to get temporary custody of Hope that time she near set Casa Logan on fire because of Nick and Donna's stupidity.

 

5 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Liam is the one who quite rightly removed Kelly from a dangerous situation and yes, taking illegal drugs and passing out, leaving your very young daughter essentially alone in a cliff house that is where? Oh, that's right, right next to the Pacific Ocean, is all kinds of dangerous.

Hope and Brooke knew nothing about it and in fact, when Hope went to call Steffy, that's when Liam told her that he had brought Kelly back with him. 

Whether they want this or not is entirely irrelevant as it is in Kelly's best interest to be cared for by someone capable (her father) while Steffy is getting her life together. And I have a very good feeling that had Hope and/or Brooke just hand-waved it as oh, Steffy will be fine, the ensuing outcry from that, given that they are both accused of not giving two shits about Kelly already (which, not true), would make the outcry over the 'napping that wasn't look like child's play. And really, which is it? They either don't give a shit or they care too much. It can't be both.

All of this. For some, the Logan can't fucking win no matter what they do. Good Lord, Brooke is a fucking moron about her personal life and wasn't Mom of the Year material, but not even she would leave kids to the wilderness to get hopped up on drugs.

Edited September 24, 2020 by Anna Yolei

[bannana]

3 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I am saying it's much ado about nothing from the perspective of the definitely "too fucking lazy" writers bothering to explain that away.

I do really get what you are saying here, and it is lazy on the part of the writers. But Show should not be modelling really bad behaviour, especially in this storyline. Because even if he could see Kelly in the car, there is no way of knowing what things could happen and do happen IRL. So I just wish they would have handled it differently. I think it happened twice in the past week or so so it really jumps out.

And Y and R did an entire storyline about how this exact thing is so innocent on the part of the parent and yet can lead to tragic results.

And over on GH this week, a little girl is wandering around in the forest alone at night! 

[CountryGirl]

I am totally in agreement that lazy show is being very irresponsible. And it has always grated that Adam is vilified for accidentally running over Delia, when Billy was the idiot who left a five year old in a car, alone, on a highway. 

Adam can be vilified for plenty of other misdeeds, including attempting to cover up once he realized he hit her, but not Delia’s death, itself. 

[TobinAlbers]

@CountryGirl your recap is straight FIRE. I don't even feel the need to watch the episode because you captured all the emotion and drama so well. Very well done!

THIS Hope? Can stay. This is a heroine you can root for who is firm but kind, fierce but loving. If she was this direct with Liam things would be a whole lot different in their relationship and he'd know - he better shape up or ship out.

Steffy letting it all out and ranting to Hope about Beth made sense as she was unloading all her pain because once she unloaded on Liam, she could then move to the pain over Phoebe 2.0 and 'losing' her and it was great she had these scenes to unload.

Taylor needs to come home, period. The fact the show name dropped her today gives me hope that Ridge blesses Taylor out and tells her unless she has her own medical issues, she needs to come help with their kids -NOW.

[Anna Yolei]

They really need to recast the role. They been needed to ages ago when HTy waltzed back in demanding they rewrite canon to accommodate a religious practice she no longer follows, but the character's absence is glaring no matter how bonkers.

Amongst the current soap veterans, I dunno who I could see stepping up. Maybe Kelley Menigan Hensley from ATWT? She has plenty of experience playing a shill, deluded bat as Emily there. 

My dream pick would be Nana Visitor from Star Trek DS9, but anyone who watched her play Kira Nerys there knows her talents would be extremely squandered here. Still, I can dream 😛

Edited September 24, 2020 by Anna Yolei

[Runningwild]

Strangely enough, I have lived in the vicinity of two infamous baby switch cases. The first was in Sarasota/Bradenton are of FL in the late 70s. I grew up an hour or so north. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsls.com/inside-edition/2019/11/29/kimberly-mays-reflects-on-being-switched-at-birth-30-years-after-learning-she-went-home-with-wrong-parents/%3foutputType=amp

Kimberly Mays and Rebecca Twigg. Rebecca died following surgery. Prior to the surgery, it was discovered her blood type didn’t match her “parents.”  Once they discovered where their real child was, they didn’t just go grab her. There’s a 2-part TV miniseries about it- Switched at Birth. Granted she was 9 and not 1. 
 

The other baby switch, I was actually a little closer to. I was working as a videographer in Charlottesville, Virginia when the Paula Johnson baby switch occurred. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wtvr.com/2013/11/11/switched-at-birth%3f_amp=true

Paula’s boyfriend asked for a paternity test when their girl was 4. The blood test revealed that neither was her parent. The other parents died in a crash before they found out the little girl they took home was not theirs. There was quite a custody case (which I covered for NBC29) between Paula and her biological daughter’s “grandparents.” In the end the judge decided the girls should stay with the families they knew but they had visits with their biological families for a while. Again, a little older than Beth. 
 

It surprises (and bothers) me to hear Phoebe/Beth was taken from Steffy right away. Wow. And not even taking her from a stranger, but from your ex-stepsister. That’s cold. 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Runningwild

[Joimiaroxeu]

Sorry but Steffy was still acting like a raging drunk to me, not like someone who'd just woken up from being knocked out on narcotics. I might could've bought her act if she was supposed to be coked up.

Thomas let Steffy drive herself over to Brooke's. Yikes. Guess he had more important things to do, like some straight up sh!t-stirring with Ridge. While things are blowing up around Steffy and everybody's distracted, he can be plotting to take her job at FC.

Yeah, no, I'm thinking Hope might be the last person to be trying to reason with Steffy about their children. She always comes across to me like only she knows what's best and only she can make the right decisions for other people's lives.

Ridge referred to Liam as a strange guy. Um, Ridge, have you met your oldest son?

The writers must be lurking on a certain soap forum. A lot of Steffy's rant today against Hope and Brooke and the Logans is stuff the Steffy stans at that site have been saying for years. Almost verbatim.

Edited September 25, 2020 by Joimiaroxeu

[blackwing]

2 hours ago, Runningwild said:

It surprises (and bothers) me to hear Phoebe/Beth was taken from Steffy right away. Wow. And not even taking her from a stranger, but from your ex-stepsister. That’s cold. 

I agree it's a little cold, but I guess it's a soap opera and there would be no drama if Hope just let Phoebe/Beth live with Steffy.

I'm still pissed that Flo wasn't charged with any crime.  It's even worse that she's Hope's cousin.  If I were Hope I would never want to speak to her ever again.

And when will Thomas ever get charged with the death of Emma?  I would hope that this will one day come back into play... but this is Bradley, so I have little faith.

[norcalgal]

4 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

They really need to recast the role. They been needed to ages ago when HTy waltzed back in demanding they rewrite canon to accommodate a religious practice she no longer follows, but the character's absence is glaring no matter how bonkers.

Amongst the current soap veterans, I dunno who I could see stepping up. Maybe Kelley Menigan Hensley from ATWT? She has plenty of experience playing a shill, deluded bat as Emily there. 

My dream pick would be Nana Visitor from Star Trek DS9, but anyone who watched her play Kira Nerys there knows her talents would be extremely squandered here. Still, I can dream 😛

Sorry to hijack this, but ALL these years and I had NO idea her name was pronounced Nah Nah until I tuned into Star Trek Day a week or so ago. I always thought it was pronounced Na Na (like what a kid would call their grandma). I also wonder if things are weird between her and Alexander Siddig since I believe they have a kid together (and maybe were married too?).

[Anna Yolei]

3 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

he writers must be lurking on a certain soap forum. A lot of Steffy's rant today against Hope and Brooke and the Logans is stuff the Steffy stans at that site have been saying for years. Almost verbatim.

That, or Twitter Oy vey, Stan Twitter for B&B on the bird app is a nightmare, and this is coming from a Star Wars fan.

21 minutes ago, norcalgal said:

Sorry to hijack this, but ALL these years and I had NO idea her name was pronounced Nah Nah until I tuned into Star Trek Day a week or so ago. I always thought it was pronounced Na Na (like what a kid would call their grandma). I also wonder if things are weird between her and Alexander Siddig since I believe they have a kid together (and maybe were married too?).

Me too! 😛

Yeah, she was married to her Siddig for a while, and it was his baby she was carried when she became Keiko's surrogate as a clever way to work the pregnancy into the show 🙂

 

Edited September 25, 2020 by Anna Yolei

[LittleIggy]

12 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I would think of it more as a Miss Havisham and Estella situation. 

Have you seen the documentary “Grey Gardens” or the HBO movie starring Glenn Close and Drew Barrymore as Big Evie and Little Evie? I could just see Steffy and Kelly living in the now dilapidated cliff-top house, feeding raccoons cat food through the holes in the ceiling. 🤣

[TobinAlbers]

13 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

They really need to recast the role. They been needed to ages ago when HTy waltzed back in demanding they rewrite canon to accommodate a religious practice she no longer follows, but the character's absence is glaring no matter how bonkers.

Amongst the current soap veterans, I dunno who I could see stepping up. Maybe Kelley Menigan Hensley from ATWT? She has plenty of experience playing a shill, deluded bat as Emily there. 

My dream pick would be Nana Visitor from Star Trek DS9, but anyone who watched her play Kira Nerys there knows her talents would be extremely squandered here. Still, I can dream 😛

I'll take anybody at this point because the show needs the character.

Florencia Lozano (Tea, OLTL)

Colleen Zenk (Barbara, ATWT)

Kristan Alfonso (DOOL)

Nana Visitor could work as the show does pull for primetime for exclusive limited run characters. Write her a tight 6-8 week run where Taylor takes care of business and they could pull it off. Her Taylor vs Bill would be something to see, LOL.

Siddig wouldn't make a bad replacement Prince Omar (depending on how his and Nana's relationship is these days) if they want to explain where she's been all this time - tending to an unknown until now child she had with Omar.

Any of the above can give good gloss of professionalism with just a bit off mentality underneath the veneer, LOL.  Just bring back Taylor already.

 

Edited September 25, 2020 by TobinAlbers
Florencia is Lozano not Delgado, LOL

[TVForever]

14 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

They really need to recast the role. They been needed to ages ago when HTy waltzed back in demanding they rewrite canon to accommodate a religious practice she no longer follows, but the character's absence is glaring no matter how bonkers.😛

Okay, somebody post a link or point me in the direction to find out what happened with Hunter Tylo! A few comments now have me thinking that her disastrous last appearance on the show was not a coincidence. I can only remember thinking at the time that it was some of the worst acting I had ever seen, and that includes the newbies (whose "greenness" is often amusing). Even more confusing in this case because HT was far from being a newbie.

Sounds like there's some BTS drama I need to get caught up with. Send me a clue if this isn't the place to post the story! 🙂