Robyn Brown: She wanted the family, but got stuck with the man.

[RazzleberryPie]

20 pairs.... that's just unfathomable to me. Of course maybe I'm not the right person to ask. I have a pair of pj shorts that are almost 25 years old and have 4 holes in them. Mr. 3girls is begging me to get a new pair LOL.

So either she put her need for expensive PJ pants above the need for food and heat, or she bought one pair and never paid the bill, and interest piled up, etc. Either scenario is just irresponsible.

[CofCinci]

She wears out the crotches and knees quickly.  That's why she needs 20 pairs.

Edited October 3, 2015 by CofCinci

[Kohola3]

Now I have to wash my brain with bleach.  AND poke my eyes out.

[Christina]

Victoria Secret sells clothes. She claimed she needed the long pants and shirts from VS because they didn't have a Walmart, and I think she's 5'9". There was a mention about her daughter being very tall once, and she said it. I don't know why I remember it.

 

Seriously though, VS has nice clothing in their catalog, not just those stupid Pink sweats.

[Galloway Cave]

There are other online stores that sell less expensive tall clothing. Walmart sells clothing online. Robyn had no business buying VS clothing or bras or whatever when she has claimed that she and Jessop were poor and living a shitty life.

[Christi]

She isnt THAT tall to need special lengths. Walmart even sells tall/extra tall pants omg

Edited October 3, 2015 by Christi

[Christina]

Oh, I'm not defending her, she was clearly a spendthrift. It just seemed that people were suffering from temporary blindness thinking about Robyn and her underwear and didn't realize VS has an entire clothing line.

[MrsMommy]

What makes people think this cult doesn't have money? I'm sure kody and whichever wife (Robyn or meri) share a contract with tlc for funds but that other 3 should have separate contracts. I'm not sure which page I read it on but it was in the duggar thread, the duggars was making 40 grand an episode that doesn't include what they made off reruns. I can't say for sure sister wives are making the same but if they are 40 grand a week is plenty money to live on and put back a mighty fine nest egg.

Edited bc I wrote tit's instead of this... embarrassing

Edited October 3, 2015 by MrsMommy

[Toaster Strudel]

If your legs are so long that your ankles are cold at night, wear socks!

[4leafclover]

Or buy thermals.

[Absolom]

The 40K per episode not per week is an internet guess.  It's fairly likely since long term shows generally pay about 20K per half hour episode and most of theirs are an hour.  That would be paid to the Kody Brown Entertainment account or trust more than likely.  They don't get paid extra for reruns.  TLC owns the shows outright. 

 

Robyn ran up the VS debt while married to Jessop.

[DakotaJustice]

40k per show (and I'm guessing they don't get paid as much for the clip shows) sp easy across the entire family - four mortgages too. And taxes.

[andromeda331]

but if they are 40 grand a week is plenty money to live on and put back a mighty fine nest egg.

If their putting it back. And that's a big if. None of the adults have ever been smart about money

before. I'd be really surprised if they did the smart thing now and put some back.

Edited October 3, 2015 by andromeda331

[Ilovemylabs]

20 pairs.... that's just unfathomable to me. Of course maybe I'm not the right person to ask. I have a pair of pj shorts that are almost 25 years old and have 4 holes in them. Mr. 3girls is begging me to get a new pair LOL.

Oh go treat yourself!

[RealityCowgirl]

Remember, it's not whatever times 52 weeks. It's whatever times however many weeks their seasons run. And history allows us to predict they're still spending beyond their new means (see four McMansions and 5467 trips to Disneyland). Because they're selfish, irresponsible, entitled buffoons who treat bankruptcy as their "savings plan." That's how we know about VS, after all. She's as foolish and selfish as the rest of them.

Edited October 3, 2015 by RealityCowgirl

[3girlsforus]

I think for many of us the probably really isn't about pajama pants. It's just another in a long list of credibility issues. Instead of just saying she had some debt and took care of it, she comes up with a story to excuse her behavior. She won't just come out and say she bought some stuff. There is nothing wrong with owning fancy underpants. But she can't say she bought that kind of stuff. She's already said Jessop is abusive and a borderline rapist. So she knows she can't say she wanted nice lingerie. She also knows that people are aware they were in very tight financial straights. So she won't just step up and say she made a foolish mistake. She has to say she was "required" to purchase these things. She needs to perpetuate the idea that Jessop was evil and she was perfect. 

 

Basically it doesn't matter if she bought a bunch of pjs. But each stupid story she tells makes it more difficult to believe her when she says things about more important issues. She just has no credibility. If she can't tell the truth about something like pajamas, then why should anyone believe her about other things. 

[Laura-Rose1957]

She wears out the crotches and knees quickly.  That's why she needs 20 pairs.

Great. Now I have to turn off the mental cinema in my head. Darn! That film starts every time I close my eyes.

[Tabbygirl521]

As an aside.... Kody is very short.

Yeah, if Robyn is 5'4", looks like Cody is, too. May explain his "need" for a harem and to be so manly and all.

[SometimesBites]

Yeah, if Robyn is 5'4", looks like Cody is, too. May explain his "need" for a harem and to be so manly and all.

Ha..he definitely needs constant validation of his manhood, but neither he or Robyn are 5'4", regardless of the Hollywoodlife assertion. Janelle really did say once that she is about that height and that she's the shortest wife. One thing we do know is that they are all short on good sense.

[Absolom]

Yeah, most of them are taller than 5'4". 

 

The bottom line with Robyn is she went into debt for cothes for herself when they were in financial hardship already.  No justification she can dream up now makes that go away.

[Tabbygirl521]

Ha..he definitely needs constant validation of his manhood, but neither he or Robyn are 5'4", regardless of the Hollywoodlife assertion. Janelle really did say once that she is about that height and that she's the shortest wife. One thing we do know is that they are all short on good sense.

Damn. I was enjoying picturing him as a tiny little puffed up arrogant jackass. Plus, I'm 5'10" and would enjoy towering over him if we ever met. (I guess I have my own issues, LOL.)

[Galloway Cave]

 

40k per show (and I'm guessing they don't get paid as much for the clip shows) sp easy across the entire family - four mortgages too. And taxes.

Utilities on the McMansions in Vegas heat, cell phones, insurance on the fleet of cars, eating out, the family agent, lawyers that aren't hired for screen time, hair products for Kodouche, clothes, those insipid inspirational wood sayings on the walls- the shopping list goes on. No way have they saved a dime. 

[toodles]

Yeah, most of them are taller than 5'4". 

 

The bottom line with Robyn is she went into debt for cothes for herself when they were in financial hardship already.  No justification she can dream up now makes that go away.

Yeah, I agree.  To me, it was just another way to try and spin something that looks bad.  You can put lipstick on a pig to pretty it up, but at the end of the day, it's still a pig.  

 

This show can sit at the spinning wheel all day long and it's still won't make any of them more appealing.  I think their show is circling the drain.  Robyn just needs to sit down and shut up.  Shut up is the operative phrase in the last sentence.  Every time she opens her mouth, she just makes it worse.  They seem to have no clue how awful they are coming across.

Edited October 3, 2015 by toodles

[andromeda331]

They seem to have no clue how awful they are coming across.

This! This is really it! They really don't.

[Laura-Rose1957]

Robyn just needs to sit down and shut up.  Shut up is the operative phrase in the last sentence.  Every time she opens her mouth, she just makes it worse.  They seem to have no clue how awful they are coming across.

You can always tell when she's lying so shutting up is definitely the better alternative.

Everytime she talks I imagine her dressed in black leather and swinging a six-plait whip over douchebag's head, a big piece of tape across his big mouth, and she's demanding: "Make me the Nr. 1, Slave!"

[3girlsforus]

Utilities on the McMansions in Vegas heat, cell phones, insurance on the fleet of cars, eating out, the family agent, lawyers that aren't hired for screen time, hair products for Kodouche, clothes, those insipid inspirational wood sayings on the walls- the shopping list goes on. No way have they saved a dime. 

 

And how many kids do they have in college right now?

[Laura-Rose1957]

My mental cinema keeps working on this one.

If the polygamous thing doesn't work out any more, how about a soapy soft porn series about The Douche and his Master Craftswoman?

Just imagine being in a hotel in Dubai and switching through the channels.....  Yikes!

Edited October 3, 2015 by Laura-Rose1957

[CofCinci]

And how many kids do they have in college right now?

I'm confident they aren't doing a thing to help any of their children with the tuition.

[DakotaJustice]

I'm confident they aren't doing a thing to help any of their children with the tuition.

The fact that Logan chose to spend the extra money to live in a dorm even after the move to the culdesac (remember Janelle said she wanted to make sure he had his own room in the house as an inducement to attend college while living at home) speaks volumes.

[3girlsforus]

I'm confident they aren't doing a thing to help any of their children with the tuition.

 

As sad as that is, you are probably right. 

[SometimesBites]

I'm confident they aren't doing a thing to help any of their children with the tuition.

If the kids are under 24, parents are required to fill out FAFSA forms when financial aid's filed each semester. The Browns have to contribute, whether they like it or not. I wonder about the Air Force prep school, though--does USAF foot that bill in anticipation of educating incoming service members?

[RedheadZombie]

If the kids are under 24, parents are required to fill out FAFSA forms when financial aid's filed each semester. The Browns have to contribute, whether they like it or not. I wonder about the Air Force prep school, though--does USAF foot that bill in anticipation of educating incoming service members?

I assume you're referring to Hunter. The Prep School is high school and I believe Hunter will enter The Air Force Academy. Free room and board is provided along with a monthly stipend. They graduate as second lieutenants and are committed to a certain number of years in the AF.

I read a bit about it and it takes a lot of hard work to get in - not your typical Brown fly by the seat of your pants "work". There's a stringent physical and medical exam component, as well as securing a referral to a congressman in your district. Roughly 1200 are accepted, and roughly 1000 of them will graduate.

[Snarklepuss]

If the kids are under 24, parents are required to fill out FAFSA forms when financial aid's filed each semester. The Browns have to contribute, whether they like it or not.

 

As far as I know in most states financial aid for college is dependent on the parents' financial ability to pay but there is no law forcing them to fill out financial aid forms or pay toward their children's tuition.  I used to work in college admissions and as far as I know this hasn't changed.  There was one young woman from New Jersey who took her parents to court last year for not paying her tuition but as far as I remember she didn't win even though her parents could afford it.  So I think it's up to a court to decide in most cases but there is no law in effect that parents must pay if they can, at least not in most states if any unless it's part of a divorce agreement and interpreted as part of support.  

 

In fact (although this was a long time ago) my parents filled out the form and it showed that they should be able to pay, however they did not want to pay.  They assumed I would go to a much cheaper city school, which at the time I was of college age were in the midst of some hard times in many ways and not a good option (my parents even agreed with me on this).  So when I decided to go to a local private school they balked and said they couldn't afford it.  Well, the financial aid forms and the school said otherwise.  I ended up financing almost all of my college tuition with student loans and jobs.  It wasn't even an expensive school next to other private schools either.  When I asked the financial aid office what I could do to qualify for financial aid they told me I would need to establish myself as independent from my parents and then substantiate that for them.  Of course, I couldn't do that at the time.  Since the Brown kids who are away at college seem to be living on their own they might have found a way to establish themselves as independent and thus qualify for financial aid.  I am sure Kody et. al. know all the angles.

Edited October 4, 2015 by Snarklepuss

[AZChristian]

Re the "car insurance" comment above.  A couple of years ago, there was public record info available on the internet that more than one of the kids had gotten speeding tickets, and charges of "driving without insurance" were added.

 

Strangely, none of this was mentioned on the show.  Those facts went into the same trash receptacle as Janelle's divorce, their multiple bankruptcies, and anything else that makes them look less than likable.  

[DakotaJustice]

Re the "car insurance" comment above.  A couple of years ago, there was public record info available on the internet that more than one of the kids had gotten speeding tickets, and charges of "driving without insurance" were added.

 

Strangely, none of this was mentioned on the show.  Those facts went into the same trash receptacle as Janelle's divorce, their multiple bankruptcies, and anything else that makes them look less than likable.  

 

Ya I believe that Nevada DMV rules are similar to California's in that you can't register your vehicle unless there's insurance on it.  A lot of people still get insurance just to register then let it lapse, although the insurance companies are required to report cancelled/nonrenewed auto policies to the DMV.

[AdorkableWitch]

Re the "car insurance" comment above.  A couple of years ago, there was public record info available on the internet that more than one of the kids had gotten speeding tickets, and charges of "driving without insurance" were added.

 

Strangely, none of this was mentioned on the show.  Those facts went into the same trash receptacle as Janelle's divorce, their multiple bankruptcies, and anything else that makes them look less than likable.  

 

 

I hate to defend these yahoos, but I got a ticket for no insurance even though I had valid insurance because I did not have my card with me. I took it to court and showed I was covered, and the ticket was waived. I personally think they almost have to have car insurance, because all of those vehicles have to be leases or on credit, both which require insurance. 

[boxerlove]

I assume you're referring to Hunter. The Prep School is high school and I believe Hunter will enter The Air Force Academy. Free room and board is provided along with a monthly stipend. They graduate as second lieutenants and are committed to a certain number of years in the AF.

I read a bit about it and it takes a lot of hard work to get in - not your typical Brown fly by the seat of your pants "work". There's a stringent physical and medical exam component, as well as securing a referral to a congressman in your district. Roughly 1200 are accepted, and roughly 1000 of them will graduate.

 

 

Slight correction, service academies prep schools are not high school.   All the students have high school diplomas already.   It literally is a prep school to prepare the student for the rigorous academic and physical training they will be receiving once they get to the service academy.   Very few public high school students have been adequately prepared to go straight to the service academy.  

[SometimesBites]

As far as I know in most states financial aid for college is dependent on the parents' financial ability to pay but there is no law forcing them to fill out financial aid forms or pay toward their children's tuition.  I used to work in college admissions and as far as I know this hasn't changed.  There was one young woman from New Jersey who took her parents to court last year for not paying her tuition but as far as I remember she didn't win even though her parents could afford it.  So I think it's up to a court to decide in most cases but there is no law in effect that parents must pay if they can, at least not in most states if any unless it's part of a divorce agreement and interpreted as part of support.  

 

In fact (although this was a long time ago) my parents filled out the form and it showed that they should be able to pay, however they did not want to pay.  They assumed I would go to a much cheaper city school, which at the time I was of college age were in the midst of some hard times in many ways and not a good option (my parents even agreed with me on this).  So when I decided to go to a local private school they balked and said they couldn't afford it.  Well, the financial aid forms and the school said otherwise.  I ended up financing almost all of my college tuition with student loans and jobs.  It wasn't even an expensive school next to other private schools either.  When I asked the financial aid office what I could do to qualify for financial aid they told me I would need to establish myself as independent from my parents and then substantiate that for them.  Of course, I couldn't do that at the time.  Since the Brown kids who are away at college seem to be living on their own they might have found a way to establish themselves as independent and thus qualify for financial aid.  I am sure Kody et. al. know all the angles.

Just to clarify, I was referring to the Brown kids' eligibility for any financial aid. Although parents can refuse to pay for dependent students' college costs, if they have means and refuse to pay the student is then ineligible for governmental financial aid (even if they would otherwise qualify--which sounds similar to your personal situation). The student can always take on the burden of a student loan, of course, and in the case of the Brown's that's what would happen if the parents refused to ante up. Getting declared dependent from financially-capable parents who just refuse to share the cost of college is not easy these days. The guidelines are very limited and specific, and just living independently doesn't count. Based on some of the episodes we saw when the first couple batches of college hopefuls were fleeing the Brown cul-de-sac, it doesn't seem likely that Kody and wives would outright refuse to help pay, and Kody did make his big speech to Mariah about not wanting to incur debt for education costs. But of course, what they SAY and what they DO don't always have much to do with each other. :) 

 

From a financial aid Q&A site:

 

The Federal requirements for independent student status, the student must satisfy at least one of the following criteria to be considered independent:

    The student is 24 year of age or older by December 31 of the award year.

    The student is an orphan or ward of the court or was a ward of the court until the student reached the age of 18.

    The student is a veteran of the Armed Forces of the United States.

    The student is a graduate or professional student.

    The student is married.

    The student has legal dependents other than a spouse. (Dependent means receiving more than half the individual's support from the student.)

If the student doesn't satisfy any of these requirements, then the student is automatically a dependent student.

 

[andromeda331]

Strangely, none of this was mentioned on the show.  Those facts went into the same trash receptacle as Janelle's divorce, their multiple bankruptcies, and anything else that makes them look less than likable.

That's rather ironic considering what we do see on tv doesn't make them very likable either.

[3girlsforus]

Would there be a reason for the Browns to refuse to file the FAFSA? Without the FAFSA the kids wouldn't even be eligible for their merit scholarships. Schools require they be filled in to be eligible for any kind of financial aid be it loans, scholarships, grants, work study etc. I thought they mentioned that Logan was doing work study so at least at some point they filled out a FAFSA for him.

[CofCinci]

Christine and Janelle are both single mothers with a shit ton of children.  Of course they filled out FAFSAs for their college-age children.  Each child most likely gets the max in Federal (and state? not familiar with grants offered to NV students) student aid.  These people have been "bleeding the beast" for years; Hell, it's even a directive in their faith!

 

In the Meri thread, the latest Catfish news has the Catfish/Sam saying that Meri gets no help from Kody or the other wives for Mariah's college expenses.

I'm going to guess that each wife is responsible to ensure their children are in college without any hope from Kody.

[MarysWetBar]

I seem to recall someone mentioning one time that Meri receives financial support for Pariahs college from her family. That seemed to be the excuse for her going to a super expensive college and driving a new car while the rest of them had to use loans and take the bus.

[SometimesBites]

Would there be a reason for the Browns to refuse to file the FAFSA? Without the FAFSA the kids wouldn't even be eligible for their merit scholarships. Schools require they be filled in to be eligible for any kind of financial aid be it loans, scholarships, grants, work study etc. I thought they mentioned that Logan was doing work study so at least at some point they filled out a FAFSA for him.

Yep, that's my point in the discussion about whether or not the Brown parents are contributing to the college educations. If they want the help, they have to complete their portion of the FAFSA. The kids can get Stafford loans w/o parental involvement, but I don't see the Browns not taking advantage of any and all governmental perks. Christine and Janelle have a bunch of dependents, so even with TLC money their college-agers are probably getting financial aid. Meri's in a different category altogether, and of course HER little birdie had to have the primo, out-of-state, private college.

[3girlsforus]

Yep, that's my point in the discussion about whether or not the Brown parents are contributing to the college educations. If they want the help, they have to complete their portion of the FAFSA. The kids can get Stafford loans w/o parental involvement, but I don't see the Browns not taking advantage of any and all governmental perks. Christine and Janelle have a bunch of dependents, so even with TLC money their college-agers are probably getting financial aid. Meri's in a different category altogether, and of course HER little birdie had to have the primo, out-of-state, private college.

 

 

Yea that's what I was thinking. I don't see any downside to completing the FAFSA. It's not like it affects their mortgages or anything. Of course they have to fill out taxes to fill out the FAFSA but even if they are cheating on their taxes, as long as they file, filling the FAFSA won't draw attention to it. 

 

I'm not sure if I misunderstood or not, but you can't get Stafford loans without filling out the FAFSA. 

[SometimesBites]

It would be interesting to know how many of the Brown kids will go to college and how many of them will finish. Logan looks like a for sure, and it looks like Aspyn loves college life. Mariah seems still to be going, and Hunter has a pretty excellent shot at the Air Force. By the time Rob-chin's new bun is 18, god knows what this crew will be up to.

 

Not trying to beat a dead horse about college loans, but thought some people might actually want to know the nitpicky details, since a lot of us have to navigate these tough waters. I got the following info  at this website, regarding Stafford loans: :)
 

What to do if your parents refuse to complete financial aid forms.
    Remind your parents that submitting the forms does not obligate them to provide support, but that if they refuse to file the FAFSA, you will not be eligible for any need-based aid on your own.

    College financial aid administrators are permitted to offer dependent students an unsubsidized Stafford loan without requiring the parents to file a FAFSA, provided that the financial aid administrator verifies that the parents have ended financial support and will not file the FAFSA. The unsubsidized Stafford loan is not based on financial need and is a loan, but at least it's something to help you pay for school.

Edited October 5, 2015 by SometimesBites

[RedheadZombie]

It finally occurred to me after "Robyn's big announcement", that TLC is full-on pimping Robyn as Queen B.  It's all Robyn all the time - and that's TLC's fault, and no one else's.  With TLC's backing, Robyn can't be stopped, and she's taking full advantage.  This woman is extremely clever, you've got to give her that.

[camom]

I can't imagine that the Browns are contributing to the college tuitions.  They seem to be spending every penny with absolutely no thought to the future.  We often see the college-age kids on the show; perhaps they show up to be filmed so they can get a pay check to pay for college.

 

 

that doesn't include what they made off reruns.

 

Participants in reality shows get absolutely no residuals for reruns.  Zero.  Zip.  They are not covered by the same rules as scripted TV shows because, theoretically, they are not acting.  They're just going about their daily lives.  Sure they are.

[pamme64]

You can always tell when she's lying so shutting up is definitely the better alternative.

Everytime she talks I imagine her dressed in black leather and swinging a six-plait whip over douchebag's head, a big piece of tape across his big mouth, and she's demanding: "Make me the Nr. 1, Slave!"

 

I don't know if I can ever forgive you for putting this image in my head..... well, maybe after I stop laughing.

[Nowhere]

First I'll say I'm always on this forum reading and never have felt the need to post because somebody is always saying what I'm thinking so no need to add my commentary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anybody say that perhaps we're giving Robyn too much credit. I just really don't think she's some genius of manipulation. The dumb ass just fell into a situation with a bunch of other dumb asses. It doesn't take much to get your way with a man who's been aching for some strange for the last 20 years. He's in love with her for the time being because she's new. Maybe HE came up with the whole divorcing Meri ordeal. Same reason why a man chooses to divorce his wife or vice versa on a daily basis everywhere on earth. He's sick of Meri and she's not that nice anyway. The kids are just an excuse for Kody to marry who he wants to be married to obviously, but Robyn didn't come up with a master plan. She's not that smart and frankly I can't see her being such a seductress that she can pull all the strings. Meri is just extra dumb for falling for this without some alimony.

Robyn is no master of manipulation. She's not calculating. She's just all over Kody's dick. Simple as that. And the chips fall where they may.

[Oldernowiser]

ITA. In monogamy world, Kody's just your typical midlife crisis 40-something narcissist who starts banging someone newer and younger and calling it "love." He just managed to avoid the usual alimony and child support AND still end up with a new bunch of kids.

God his wives are so stupid.