Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore

[surfgirl]

Money is the only thing that SOB understands so I say, hit him where it hurts! I only wish the other two wives could sue him for back child support!

Edited September 20 by surfgirl

[Lsk02]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sister-wives-christine-brown-sues-182615901.html

 

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In addition, the mom of six requested a domestic relations injunction that stops both parties from harassment, domestic violence, canceling or modifying services, taking the children for nonroutine travel without court orders or permission and demeaning or disparaging the other party.

It seems that Christine is giving up some of the freedom she has to travel with Truely by pursuing this. I definitely think she is owed the child support, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kody bites back by exerting a lot more control that comes with the paternity establish and possibly joint legal custody  

 

Edited September 20 by Lsk02

[ginger90]

13 minutes ago, Lsk02 said:

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sister-wives-christine-brown-sues-182615901.html

 

It seems that Christine is giving up some of the freedom she has to travel with Truely by pursuing this. I definitely think she is owed the child support, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kody bites back by exerting a lot more control that comes with the paternity establish and possibly joint legal custody  

 

That’s standard, I’m sure her lawyer discussed it with her. 

[Quof]

"nonroutine" is an interesting adjective to describe travel.  I can see prohibiting taking a child out of country without parental consent (often border and immigration authorities won't admit a child travelling with one parent, unless the other parent's consent is documented.) But the parents already live in different states, and interstate travel isn't monitored, so it's hard to imagine a prohibition on taking Truely "out of state."

[Roslyn]

So. Does this mean that Kody has to give up financial documents to the court ?

[Quof]

Yeah he does!

[Natalie68]

4 minutes ago, Roslyn said:

So. Does this mean that Kody has to give up financial documents to the court ?

I think so!  And it won't take but a second to get posted here.  I think this is his biggest nightmare.  Not that he will have to pay (but that will cause him pain as well), but that he will have to fork over his records.  ALL of them. ALL the wives will know what he and Sobbin and been spending money on and it will take some of THEIR spending money to pay for Truely. Wonder if they will find fraud? Maybe the 3 OG's need to pool money for a forensic accountant. Sutton from RHBH knows one :).

[Quof]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

Wonder if they will find fraud? Maybe the 3 OG's need to pool money for a forensic accountant

Maybe the OG3 already hatched this plan.  Christine is the one who has an easy legal case to initiate, since she is the only one with a minor child. But Meri and Janelle could have teamed up with her to prompt it. 

[lookeyloo]

I wonder what Truely thinks of all this 

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, lookeyloo said:

I wonder what Truely thinks of all this 

A grandson of mine, when he was a bit younger than Truely, was informed of child support being filed for, he said you should have been getting it for years. His father had left, went to Oregon (my grandson visited once with his paternal grandmother) , Washington and California. Ever hear of the slabs? He lived there for a while. Supposedly he was heading back east, told us and my grandson. He got as far as Arizona. My daughter decided enough was enough.

 

Sorry for the ramble. I think Truely will understand.

[Elizzikra]

4 hours ago, Roslyn said:

So. Does this mean that Kody has to give up financial documents to the court ?

I'm guessing Kody's financial "records" are about as organized as that mop of yarn on his head. 

I think it's great that Christine filed for child support, but Kody can't pay what he doesn't have. I just don't believe he is bringing in that much money and I think he is in debt up to his crazy-looking eyeballs. Either way, I hope that Truely has everything she needs and then some. 

[GeeGolly]

IIRC, during one of the break-up talks with Kody Christine said she had been supporting herself and the kids since the move to AZ. Even if some of that money included TLC money, that is earned money, only 1/5 of it is Kody's.

I think they moved to AZ in 2018 - 6 years ago. That could be a big chunk of change. Average child support in the US for 1 child is $500 a month, so if Christine is awarded back support for 6 years, Kody could owe somewhere around $35,000.

[ginger90]

17 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

ALL the wives will know what he and Sobbin and been spending money on

The court wants income records, not expenditures.

[Quof]

The parties each file statements of their income and expenses, but the courts cut through the fluff pretty quickly to get to what the paying party actually needs to survive, not what he likes to spend on toys, supplements and QVC.  The gap between income and necessary living expenses is what the court will consider is available for child support.   

I have handled perhaps 3 family law matters in my career - it's hellish - but I did love cross examining a deadbeat on his expenses.   

"You spend hundreds of dollars a month on 'dues'. You're not a member of union are you?"  

"No, that's my gym membership."

"Do you think that's a reasonable amount to spend on a discretionary item while your ex-wife rents a room in an old couple's house?" 

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, Quof said:

The parties each file statements of their income and expenses, but the courts cut through the fluff pretty quickly to get to what the paying party actually needs to survive

I’ve been part of 2 separate  custody and child support cases, not as a lawyer, to be clear. Expenses were never considered, just income, visitation time, and who was paying for health insurance were considered. Varies by state/country, I would guess?

[Denize]

On 9/20/2024 at 9:32 AM, AZChristian said:

ALTHOUGH - (from what I understand) Christine has actually been paid through the Kody Brown Family Enterprises LLC  for her participation in the show. 

But she may be able to prove that Truely didn't get her fair share compared to the favoured kids, especially things like medical, dental, school clothes & supplies, etc.

[LotusFlower]

15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

IIRC, during one of the break-up talks with Kody Christine said she had been supporting herself and the kids since the move to AZ. Even if some of that money included TLC money, that is earned money, only 1/5 of it is Kody's.

I think they moved to AZ in 2018 - 6 years ago. That could be a big chunk of change. Average child support in the US for 1 child is $500 a month, so if Christine is awarded back support for 6 years, Kody could owe somewhere around $35,000.

 

1 hour ago, Denize said:

But she may be able to prove that Truely didn't get her fair share compared to the favoured kids, especially things like medical, dental, school clothes & supplies, etc.

Why do you guys think she’s suing for back support?  Maybe she’s suing for child support going forward?  

[Lsk02]

19 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

 

Why do you guys think she’s suing for back support?  Maybe she’s suing for child support going forward?  

The news reports have said it’s for retroactive support. I haven’t seen court documents so I have no idea, but that’s what’s being reported. 

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, LotusFlower said:

 

Why do you guys think she’s suing for back support?  Maybe she’s suing for child support going forward?  

She is asking for child support going forward.  In Utah she can ask for up to 4 years retroactively in addition to that.

[LotusFlower]

35 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

She is asking for child support going forward.  In Utah she can ask for up to 4 years retroactively in addition to that.

Thanks, I didn’t know that.  Go Christine!  

[islandgal140]

On 9/19/2024 at 6:08 PM, Natalie68 said:

Just being reported on WOACB (I know 🤣) that Christine has filed a paternity case/child support case in Provo.  Sounds like if paternity has to be proven, he isn't on Truley's birth certificate.  Anyhoo, she showed some docs.  Sounds like he was served on 9/17 per KJ.

Delicious!!

Forget the knife, his kidney's must have self-detonated getting served with that paper work.

 

[laurakaye]

On 9/21/2024 at 11:00 AM, ginger90 said:

The court wants income records, not expenditures.

I don't pretend to understand how this all works, but can Christine just slip some photos of the inside of the Mansion to the judge and say, "look at this crap!  I want it all sold and I will take half."

The filing that I saw also mentioned something about a "domestic relations injunction" to prevent harassment.  I want to know why.  I can't imagine Kody honestly fighting to see Truely, but I can absolutely see him disparaging Christine with vile calls and texts to make him seem like he's the victim.

So is the sale of the Purple Mansion on the Hill due to Kody owing child support to Christine, and also Meri and Janelle demanding their money out of Coyote Pass?  Are Kody's curly-haired chickens finally coming home to roost?  Does anyone have any popcorn?? 

Edited September 25 by laurakaye

[ginger90]

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I don't pretend to understand how this all works, but can Christine just slip some photos of the inside of the Mansion to the judge and say, "look at this crap!  I want it all sold and I will take half."

No this is for child support, not a divorce. 

3 hours ago, laurakaye said:

The filing that I saw also mentioned something about a "domestic relations injunction" to prevent harassment.  I want to know why.

It’s standard on the paperwork.

[Denize]

Kody has also talked trash about the OG3 and some of their kids in the couch sessions on the Show, which is a form of public harassment.  TLC may have to edit them going forward this season if he cannot edit in his head before opening his mouth.

[Meow Mix]

It makes me wonder if this was why Robyn looked so panicked during the talk back sessions.  Maybe he has said too much already and the producers are going to happily air it as long as they can.  He's already called several of his kids a$$holes on national TV, so what else has he said?

[ginger90]

Now David is selling his house, Christine said they decided to sell it instead of renting it. 
 

 

[General Days]

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Now David is selling his house, Christine said they decided to sell it instead of renting it. 
 

Is this the house where he lived before Christine, or the new house (or something else)? 

[ginger90]

7 hours ago, General Days said:

Is this the house where he lived before Christine, or the new house (or something else)? 

It’s not the new house. According to the listing he bought it in March, 2022. I’m not sure if he lived there, or bought it to use as a rental.

[Denize]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

It’s not the new house. According to the listing he bought it in March, 2022. I’m not sure if he lived there, or bought it to use as a rental.

Isn't he in construction? Maybe he is a serial house flipper. 

[ginger90]

4 hours ago, Denize said:

Isn't he in construction? Maybe he is a serial house flipper. 

From the listing it seems he bought it as a new construction. New homes are still being built in that area. It’s hard to tell though because Utah is a non disclosure state.

[zamp33]

On 9/20/2024 at 2:32 PM, Lsk02 said:

It seems that Christine is giving up some of the freedom she has to travel with Truely by pursuing this. I definitely think she is owed the child support, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kody bites back by exerting a lot more control that comes with the paternity establish and possibly joint legal custody  

In my state when children reach a certain age they do not have to have visitation if they do not want it. I think Christine may have waited for Truely to reach that age. Like when Dayton had to sign the consent to be adopted - the court takes more into account when children are older.

My guess is if Kody tries to exert more control the court will hire a guardian ad litem to interview Truely - I doubt Kody will have that much control after that investigation. 

 

 

[Irate Panda]

2 hours ago, zamp33 said:

In my state when children reach a certain age they do not have to have visitation if they do not want it. I think Christine may have waited for Truely to reach that age. Like when Dayton had to sign the consent to be adopted - the court takes more into account when children are older.

My guess is if Kody tries to exert more control the court will hire a guardian ad litem to interview Truely - I doubt Kody will have that much control after that investigation. 

 

 

I think maybe you are right.  I’m not a lawyer but old Google says, “In Utah, the court will usually not consider a child's preference unless they are 14. However, the child's preferences are not the only factor the court finds. The judge may place more weight on the child's wishes if they are 16 or older.”. Truely turned 14 a few months ago.

[CalicoKitty]

There is plenty of evidence from the show to prove he doesn't care too much about his children.  Truley almost died from his lack of interest.  If Christine has a competent lawyer she should be fine.  It will be interesting to see how this ends.

[LilyD]

I doubt Kody can be bothered about visits or having to give consent for Truely’s travels. He simply doesn’t care. I also doubt Christine really needs the money to support Truely, unless it’s to pay off that hideous medical bill from years back. 
 

I can’t get over the idea that it sounds a bit like revenge. Forcing him to put everything out in the open and annoy him like hell.

[Soapy Goddess]

34 minutes ago, LilyD said:

I can’t get over the idea that it sounds a bit like revenge. Forcing him to put everything out in the open and annoy him like hell.

What would Kody be putting out in the open? Don't we already know exactly what kind of character he is? He's someone who couldn't care less about the health of his OG kids.

And at the risk of sounding like a broken record, if Christine wants to annoy the hell out of Kody for all the shit he put her through, I'm here to watch it all.

[ginger90]

7 hours ago, LilyD said:

I can’t get over the idea that it sounds a bit like revenge.

In my opinion, filing for child support is a right of the child, not revenge.

In the time since moving to Utah, as far as we know, Kody never filed for a legal visitation/custody order. So he probably just winged it with no consistency.
 

Putting myself in Christine’s place, I’m thinking she has documented his visits and any money he may have contributed. That’s 3 years of how Kody has been regarding Truely. 

[Orcinus orca]

57 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

In my opinion, filing for child support is a right of the child, not revenge.

I might support this if she hadn't waited three years to do it.  She could have/should have done it the minute she moved out.

[LilyD]

8 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

What would Kody be putting out in the open?

His finances? I can come up with numerous reasons why Kody wants to keep that behind lock and key. 

And I too found it odd that Christine waited 3 years before filing for child support. Like @Orcinus orcasaid: she should have done it the moment she walked out or shortly after. Why now? 

 

[AZChristian]

28 minutes ago, LilyD said:

And I too found it odd that Christine waited 3 years before filing for child support. Like @Orcinus orcasaid: she should have done it the moment she walked out or shortly after. Why now? 

 

Maybe when she saw all those unopened Amazon boxes and "artwork" last season, she decided she wanted to cut into K&R's spending.

[surfgirl]

12 hours ago, LilyD said:

I doubt Kody can be bothered about visits or having to give consent for Truely’s travels. He simply doesn’t care. I also doubt Christine really needs the money to support Truely, unless it’s to pay off that hideous medical bill from years back. 
 

I can’t get over the idea that it sounds a bit like revenge. Forcing him to put everything out in the open and annoy him like hell.

I dont understand how any woman would not support Christine in pretty much anything she wants to do post-Plyg because she was essentially captive in an emotionally abusive relationship, and given what we've seen on camera of Kotex when he gets really angry, I would also say he used anger to threaten his wives to stay in line because he clearly can go out of control with his hair trigger (pun intended, sorry but it was so easy I couldn't not say that!) temper. Let's all remember that Christine was barely an adult when she married Kody, and she knew nothing about how the world works, and he abused her emotionally for decades. DECADES. I for one, will give her a pass for pretty much anything she sees fit to do now as it relates to her life, and especially how she might hold this piece of garbage and his legal wife accountable for the damage he has done to this family. So whether this move to sue for back custody and custodial arrangements for Truley is revenge or just making Kody pay for something, have some sort of repercussions for his stealing money from the family coffers to fund his and Sobbyn's life style whilst one of his wives literally had no place to live, I don't much care. I hope Meri and Janelle join the suit and/or file their own similar suits for mental cruelty AND child support, and I hope Kody and Sobbyn get taken to the cleaners on it all. Because as that asshole said to the camera as he took zero accountability for his role in Christine leaving, the only thing he is afraid of is being poor. So yeah, bring on the lawsuits, I'm here for allllll the payback those wives can get.

Edited September 28 by surfgirl

[surfgirl]

3 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

I might support this if she hadn't waited three years to do it.  She could have/should have done it the minute she moved out.

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

And I too found it odd that Christine waited 3 years before filing for child support. Like @Orcinus orcasaid: she should have done it the moment she walked out or shortly after. Why now? 

Put yourself in her shoes for a moment. She has finally, FINALLY, gotten free of this horrible, emotionally abusive husband and she is FREE. Almost, but not quite because she needs to still deal with him as it regards their underage daughter. We all saw how masterfully Christine navigated herself out of that toxic 'marriage' situation and it is clear to many of us that she had an excellent team arond her, supporting her efforts to get free of Kody. I believe she had more than just a great therapist, I think she also had an excellent attorney who probably was from UT and had a lot of experience and expertise in helping plyg wives get out of their plyg situations. I'd bet money that she was guided on what, and what not to do and say and ask for during the time immediately after she moved back to UT. Clearly she is still within her rights to sue so I'm sure she has been guided by lawyers as to when the right time is to do that, which has nothing to do with satiating us viewers and everything to do with her winning her case, which I hope she does.

[Orcinus orca]

I'm not disagreeing she has rights. I am casting a side eye about altruistic reasons vs revenge. 

But I have never liked or trusted Sparkle Princess who repeatedly chose Kootie over her kids and came right out and said she wouldn't leave him if he moved back into her bedroom.

[LilyD]

Most people out here support Christine and are well aware of what she’s had to endure. The point of my comment wasn’t to attack her, but merely to discuss why it had to take her three years and why now.

 

[Quof]

13 hours ago, LilyD said:

I also doubt Christine really needs the money to support Truely

That's irrelevant to child support.  Children are entitled to benefit from the income of both parents, even if the primary custodian can give them everything they ever need or want.  You can bet Mark Anthony pays child support to Jennifer Lopez for their twins.  

[Denize]

6 hours ago, Orcinus orca said:

I might support this if she hadn't waited three years to do it.  She could have/should have done it the minute she moved out.

Kody would have insisted on Truely living with him half the time to save him money and at less that 14, Truely would have no say in the matter. Living like Cinderella, no doubt, shovelling the driveway, dusting knick knacks 24/7 and sleeping on an old mattress on the floor of a closet  (I saw a twin mattress propped up against junk in a closet on Zillow).  Christine had Truely's best interests in mind.  And Truely deserves money for her college fund from Kody rather than everything coming from Christine's retirement savings.

Edited September 28 by Denize

[smarty]

Does anyone recall about a year ago Gwen said Kody gave her and Ysabel a small chunk of money?  It was around the time Gwen was pulling in the big Paetron money talking about the family. Maybe the reason Christine wasn't so quick to file for child support was that Kody was giving "something" before Janelle and Meri officially left.  But given the money he has to pay to Janelle and Meri now (for Coyote Pass and possibly the down payment on Robyn's house) you can guess he stopped giving Christine or her kids anything.  

Also, maybe Christine has insight that the show is ending and wants to get the child support set before that happens?

Edited September 29 by smarty

[Gramto6]

4 hours ago, Denize said:

Kody would have insisted on Truely living with him half the time to save him money and at less that 14, Truely would have no say in the matter. Living like Cinderella, no doubt, shovelling the driveway, dusting knick knacks 24/7 and sleeping on an old mattress on the floor of a closet  (I saw a twin mattress propped up against junk in a closet on Zillow).  Christine had Truely's best interests in mind.  And Truely deserves money for her college fund from Kody rather than everything coming from Christine's retirement savings.

This is what I was thinking too about Christine waiting until Truely was 14. I wouldn't have put it past Kody to demand to have Truely half the time, if she had done it before that. He doesn't want  Truely really, but he would do it to hurt Christine. And I'd bet she would not be cherished and shown love like with Christine.

And yes, Truely is deserving of the the money for support and/or her college fund.

Edited September 29 by Gramto6

[GeeGolly]

I think you all are correct. Truly deserves financial support from her father and Christine is likely doing it for revenge.

Christine may have waited until Truly was firmly established in UT so Kody couldn't fight to have her remain in AZ (to reduce payments, not because he wanted her nearby). And also to show 3 years of neglect.

With all that said, I believe Christine is using Truly as a pawn in their 'divorce'. She deserves the money, but at what emotional expense? Having her parents publicly fighting over her father's neglect can't feel good for Truly.

[Soapy Goddess]

14 hours ago, LilyD said:

His finances? I can come up with numerous reasons why Kody wants to keep that behind lock and key. 

And I too found it odd that Christine waited 3 years before filing for child support. Like @Orcinus orcasaid: she should have done it the moment she walked out or shortly after. Why now? 

 

If he's fully transparent (which we know he's not!), then he should have no problem putting his finances out there for the sake of his child(ren).

Edited because several posters before me articulated about "the wait" much better than I would have. Go Christine!

 

Edited September 29 by Soapy Goddess

[LilyD]

9 hours ago, Denize said:

Kody would have insisted on Truely living with him half the time to save him money and at less that 14, Truely would have no say in the matter.

Why do I think Robyn would never accept this? Every now and then, possibly. Half the time? Absolutely not. I"m glad Truely now has a choice in this as, not being wanted  is so destructive for a child (or anyone or that matter)