S02.E09: Unbelievable Balls

[OnceSane]

Tension boils over between Annabelle and Caroline Stanbury at Caroline Fleming's expansive castle. Also, the women unearth the reason behind Annabelle's attitude.

[One Tough Cookie]

The show is on @ 8PM tonite

[TexasGal]

I think we can all agree it's rude to be late to a meal as a guest in someone's home. However, as a hostess it's beyond the pale to drill sergeant your guests downstairs and make them feel guilty about the meal no longer being hot, etc., no? I was raised that rule one of being a hostess is to make your guests feel comfortable. Zip it, Caroline F.

[Frost]

Why doesn't anybody just tell Caroline S to Shut. Up.   She is insufferable and her sister is completely classless.

 

I was very pleased that Caroline F tore into everyone who was late to breakfast.  It is rude, not only to your hostess but to the people serving and cooking the food for your lazy ass.

 

That house was gorgeous but the exterior seemed so austere. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Ha. CS ends up with butter on her face and caviar in her hair. This makes me like her a little more, for some reason.

[RCharter]

I think we can all agree it's rude to be late to a meal as a guest in someone's home. However, as a hostess it's beyond the pale to drill sergeant your guests downstairs and make them feel guilty about the meal no longer being hot, etc., no? I was raised that rule one of being a hostess is to make your guests feel comfortable. Zip it, Caroline F.

You know what my family does when I'm late for things....they just go on without me.  If I get there and breakfast is cold, thats fine, its my fault for being late.  If I get there and food is gone, thats fine, its my fault for being late.  I doubt anyone would complain about the food not being piping hot if they are late, or if they have to end up eating a NutriGrain bar or a bowl of instant oatmeal because they were late.  And even if they did, the comeback would always be "well, the food was here and hot and ready to go when I told you it would be, we don't keep food out all day here."

[hoodooznoodooz]

Is this the first time they've showed us the cast smoking? We saw ashtrays overflowing on NYE, but did we see them smoking?

[RCharter]

Is this the first time they've showed us the cast smoking? We saw ashtrays overflowing on NYE, but did we see them smoking?

you don't remember the great smoking debacle of last season when they went to Mapperton and everyone abandoned the table to smoke?  I vaguely remember CS smoking.

[princelina]

Yeah I don't know what they're such bitches about - if I got to hang out in a beautiful castle AND smoke indoors whilst drinking I'd be in heaven!  And I don't even smoke anymore :)

 

While rude not to show up for breakfast when told, since it WAS a vacation, and the time after breakfast was spent yogaing in the grand hallway, hanging out in bedrooms, etc., the smarter idea for the hostess would have been to invite them to a 1:00 lunch, with perhaps a small cold breakfast buffet for those who wanted it.  If I stayed up late braying about who called whom whose bitch, and who was up the ass of another, I'd be tired in the morning!  (And in my opinion that dinner was the rudest of all behavior.)  Furthermore, a lot of these conversations might have a harder time getting off the ground if Julie didn't have to act like a complete moron about everything.  ("You said  I was up whose ass?  Whose bitch was I?"  Cue totally confused look here)  Bitch please.  I'm tired of you.

 

Haha on Luke the makeup artist trying to start shit at the geezers' dinner and getting shut down promptly by CS :)  Also got a kick out of Annabelle trying to become someone else's "muse" during their cocktail hour.  Way to get people who had no interest at all curious about that book you claim to be so against too, Annabelle.  Keep pimping out your dead friend for camera time on your dumb show.  Love it!

 

I'm bummed that next week is the last episode, especially if this show is over for good, as many on here seem to believe.

[Irritable]

The palace porn in this episode was so incredibly satisfying.  Thank you for the detailed tour, Bravo!  I never felt that I had a real feel for what Mapperton looks like except for the exterior grounds and the lackluster kitchen, so to see such fabulousness in shots longer than half-seconds was very enjoyable.

 

I continue to think Caroline F. is so lovely, nothing about her bothers me.  She's not perfect, but I don't need for her or anyone to be perfect, just pleasant and worth getting to know. I had no problem with her being upset by the latecomers for breakfast...they weren't in a hotel or someone's regular house where the person cooking the food can just say tough crap, you're late, the food is gone...they were in a mansion that belongs to royalty and if they are told that they need to arrive for meals on time - which they certainly were told - then they need to arrive on time.  I appreciate that Caroline F. was insulted on behalf of the staff who put together such a nice spread for her guests.  Caroline S. wouldn't have given a shit that someone had worked hard to make sure all the food was ready on time and hot, because she seems to think the people who do all the things that make her life easy are not worth caring about.  She can blather all she wants about how hard it was on her to see Gift Library fail, but I will never believe that she had one drop of emotion for the staff that lost jobs they counted on due to her frivolities and piss-poor business management..

 

I thought everyone looked so nice in their gowns for dinner, except for Marissa, who I normally find so well put together.  Her dress was clunky and ill-fitting, and I think her bra showed through the back, which seems a bit tacky for the location and occasion.   Speaking of attire, once again, Juliet the so-called stylist looked a total mess with her giant cable-knit sweater wrapped around her waist in a way that was terribly unflattering and made me think she must have been trying to cover up an awkwardly located stain on the back of her pants.  I recall wearing my coat in a similar way when I got my period in math class.

 

I'm so tired of hearing about Alexander McQueen.  I suppose if I were British I might care more about his whole story, but I had never heard of him until he died, and 5 years later I certainly don't care more than I did then.  I understand that Anabelle loved him dearly, but honestly I think she is almost a little weird and obsessive about him to still be as affected by things that scuzzy tabloids try to dig up on him after so many years. That's the kind of story that people read and immediately forget about. I thought she must have gotten a call that a close relative had died, not that there was an unflattering article about her former best friend. 

[rho]

I think we can all agree it's rude to be late to a meal as a guest in someone's home. However, as a hostess it's beyond the pale to drill sergeant your guests downstairs and make them feel guilty about the meal no longer being hot, etc., no? I was raised that rule one of being a hostess is to make your guests feel comfortable. Zip it, Caroline F.

 

This seemed to me like Caroline creating a stink for the sake of it. I doubt any of her guests can actually remember the last time they even sat down to eat breakfast. I would understand her frustration if they were late to that elegant dinner but breakfast, even in a castle, is not a formal event. Especially after a late night of drinking with this group.

 

And speaking of drinking, for whoever was wondering last week about the virgin drinker, I think it's Annabelle. Her glass always had some sort of fizzy drink in it while the others were sipping wine.

[HunterHunted]

McQueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnn!!!!!! This episode spent almost all of its running time in Caroline Fleming's ancestral estate, even going to her family crypt and the ghost that won't give up haunting us is Alexander McQueen. I don't want to say that I wished that Annabelle had found out that her grandmother was sick or dead, but I wish that it has been something other than rumors about her friend who had been dead for 5 years. I also can't imagine what the gossip could be. McQueen had a known drug problem and history of depression. I can't imagine what other salacious gossip might motivate her to fits of tears.

You've got to admire Juliet's chutzpah to show up late for dinner and still look like crap. Marissa's formal dress was awful. Even Julie looked better.

[sheetmoss]

 In the back of my mind  I was wodering if being prompt in Denmark was  just good cultural social graces and came across this

 

:The Danes have some traditions, which they hold very dear and expect others to respect and uphold. Ignoring these Danish rules can spoil your chances of being invited back for other dinners.

 

Punctuality: The first rule of being invited to dinner is that you must be punctual. Being late is unacceptable and not considered polite. If you are invited for 6 p.m., than you should arrive at 6 p.m., and no later than 5 minutes past. It is acceptable to be a few minutes early, but late is never acceptable.

Even if you are only delayed 5 minutes, proper Danish etiquette dictates that you should call and let your host know that you are running 5 minutes late.

 

This would explain Caroline F being so upset  about them arriving late for breakfast.

Her guests also insulted staff which reflected back on CF.

You can take the girl out of Denmark but you can't take Demark out of the girl.

 

BTW - absolutely loved how Annabelle tunrned  it on at the castle dinner wth her social ease when she sat down to chat w/CF's dad and godfather. Her upbringing really came through.

Edited November 3, 2015 by sheetmoss

[Lizzing]

What the hell was that thing Marissa wore to dinner?  I never got a completely clear look at it, but the white lace looked cheap...kind of Frederick's of Hollywood Goes to the Palace.

[rehoboth]

The fact that Caroline S had to be awakened from a dead sleep at 10:30 in the morning shows me that she is a habitual late riser.  If you are up early every day, you tend to get up "around" the same time on days you are off as well even if you were up late the night before. Your body is used to it.   It's no wonder that the good ship Gift Library sank without a trace.

 

Did Marissa's declaration of love for Caroline F at the dinner strike anyone else as truly odd?  I mean it's not like it was Marissa who was with Caroline when she visited her mother's ashes?  What caused this new-found love?  Was it Marissa seeing the house and the staff?

[cyberfruit]

The fact that Caroline S had to be awakened from a dead sleep at 10:30 in the morning shows me that she is a habitual late riser.  If you are up early every day, you tend to get up "around" the same time on days you are off as well even if you were up late the night before. Your body is used to it.   It's no wonder that the good ship Gift Library sank without a trace.

 

Or, she's a night owl working against her natural clock. Just saying -- CS isn't my favorite person by any means, but as someone who is forced to wake up by 7:30 am M-F, you'd think my brain would wake up around that time on Sat/Sun as well. Nope. My brain doesn't wake up until 10:30-11 am on the weekends. 

[HunterHunted]

Or, she's a night owl working against her natural clock. Just saying -- CS isn't my favorite person by any means, but as someone who is forced to wake up by 7:30 am M-F, you'd think my brain would wake up around that time on Sat/Sun as well. Nope. My brain doesn't wake up until 10:30-11 am on the weekends.

I'm the same way. I'm also habitually late during daylight savings, but always on time when it ends. I'm very hard wired to my evolutionary biology and technology does nothing to overcome it. It's possible that Stanbury of the same way. I do take issue with her narcissism. It took seeing her friend's mother's crypt to remind her people have more devastating issues than the failure of a business that they horribly mismanaged.

[Booger666]

It seemed like Car F's father is fond of Marissa. Interesting that he seems to know one daughter's BF quite well, and yet hasn't met the "love" of the other. Perhaps Car F's strained family relationships are solely due to her own making.

Sheesh, just when you think unmade bed Juliet can't look any worse she does. She was actually late putting together that abomidable snowman outfit of a white chunky knit tied around her waste?! Makes no sense.

[bichonblitz]

Anabelle, time to move on with your life, sweetie. No more McQueen talk. He was more popular in England than in America and the British tabloids are merciless,  but as another poster upthread said, what more is there to know about this troubled man that I'm sure the Brits don't already know. 

 

I could never, ever live the life of Royalty. Just too much formality, pomp and circumstance. What if I want to throw on my sweats and lay on the couch to watch trash TV? I guess that kind of thing is just unheard of. 

Edited November 3, 2015 by bichonblitz

[walnutqueen]

BTW - absolutely loved how Annabelle tunrned  it on at the palace dinner wth her social ease when she sat down to chat w/CF's dad and godfather. Her upbringing really came through.

 

Unlike the previous night's supper, during which she appeared to be chain smoking at the table while everyone else was eating.  I'm a chain smoker, and even I was offended.

 

Loved the Danish palace porn.  More, please.

[poeticlicensed]

It's been over 5 years since McQueen died. I get that he was Annabelle's BFF and because he was famous and committed suicide, there will be publicity about him, but she literally went running from the room because there was an article in the paper about him. I miss people who have passed all teh time, but I'm not a horrible bitch to anyone in my vicinity about it. OTOH, I was lol when Annabelle was laying it on thick with the two old geezers, whilst her boobs were popping out of her dress. I think if she had a nip slip, one of them might have had a coronary. 

 

Wow, Caroline F's father seems to have more affection for Marissa than he does for his own daughter. 

 

Juliet and Julie are just fashion disasters aren't they? 

 

Loved the castle.

[biakbiak]

I have to side eye Caroline F for having one of the only three times she visited her mother's grave in 26 years was for the cameras.

[balshureen]

In the scene in the bus to the castle, I thought Caroline S and F were being extremely manipulative with Julie, but sadly, she's too dumb to realize it, and thought they were praising her for gaining some confidence.  Annabelle was acting bizarrely at dinner the night before and during the trip, but she has been a true friend to Julie.  It would have been nice for Julie to reciprocate and stick up for Annabelle.  As Juliet said, there was an undercurrent of energy between Caroline S and Annabelle, and Caroline was just using Julie to get to Annabelle.

 

I wish Annabelle would have told Caroline S that her head is so far up her own ass it's amazing that she managed to see who was wedged up anyone else's ass.

 

I have no use for Julie.  The wide-eyed ingenue act is getting old.  Your family owns an estate that is used to film movies in.  I just thought all of the gushing over the cast was a little gauche.  I think "you have a lovely home" probably would have sufficed, but  Caroline F was eating up all the amazement over her family's home.

 

I agree with you BiakBiak, allowing a reality show to film at one of the three visits to your mother's grave in your life kind of lessened the impact the moment had for me.  That being said, how terrible to lose a much-loved mother so suddenly and at such a young age.

 

It doesn't appear that we will meet the Baroness's sister.  I guess she really isn't a famewhore, like Caroline F is.  She doesn't have much of an online presence either.

 

I am glad that Caroline gave her guests the beat down for being late, although I think she was a bit too harsh...I don't think it's very nice for your guests to be forced to come downstairs in pajamas and shoveling their cornflakes in while being yelled at for their rudeness. 

 

I truly hope this show is renewed, it is one of my guilty pleasures.  I can no longer stomach the screaming antagonism of the housewives shows, and they just seem so low rent compared to this one.  I sometimes look at the lades' instagram pictures, and it looks like Caroline F has a truly fantastic 40th birthday party which some of the ladies attend, and included Princess Mary and her husband.  I'd really enjoy seeing that. 

Edited November 3, 2015 by balshureen

[AndreaK1041]

BTW - absolutely loved how Annabelle tunrned it on at the palace dinner wth her social ease when she sat down to chat w/CF's dad and godfather. Her upbringing really came through.

This stood out to me too. I can see how having people like that around you could make you feel completely inadequate, so Julie's crushing self-doubt seems understandable. She has no charming anecdotes about Arabian princes (?) shooting her in the ass, nor would she be able to tell it in a flirtatious yet proper way.

[Frost]

It looks like Thanksgiving was Juliet's only story line this season so in retrospect, I can understand why she made such an overwhelming stink about it.   She might as well not been on the show lately for all the lack of interaction with the other cast members.

[balshureen]

It looks like Thanksgiving was Juliet's only story line this season so in retrospect, I can understand why she made such an overwhelming stink about it.   She might as well not been on the show lately for all the lack of interaction with the other cast members.

For what it's worth, she appears in a lot of instagram pictures with Caroline S, Julie, and Caroline F and Sophie, so looks like there is a real friendship between them.  

[pasdetrois]

Surely that wasn't Caroline F.'s boy toy who was flinging her about in the ballroom?

 

She says she's the first female heir. Perhaps her father's frostiness is based in part on his dissatisfaction with not having a male heir? Scandinavia is fairly progressive, but still...Maybe he expected her to behave more conservatively as his heir.

 

She teeters on being very "to the manor born" in her interactions with others. Ordering her friends about and pretending to care about her servants. I'm not buying it. She's very demanding and entitled.

 

Annabelle continues to struggle to be relevant and noticed. I wonder what McQueen's family and other close friends think about Annabelle continuing to exploit McQueen's death. Not a good look.

 

Neither were her eyebrows, chain-smoking and eye-rolling at the dinner. What the hell is wrong with her?

 

I was startled with Juliet strolled out wearing that gawdawful chunky sweater around her waist for the dinner. She's giving Caroline S's white popcorn thingy sweater a run for its money in the Ugly Department.

Edited November 3, 2015 by pasdetrois

[tinaw]

I can understand being upset about people being late for breakfast but I didn't think it was right how Carolyn Fleming handled it.

Like other posters have said. If someone is late then they're late. They get cold food that's it.

Everyone is over 18. No need for that kinda scene

Jmjo

[TexasGal]

She teeters on being very "to the manor born" in her interactions with others. Ordering her friends about and pretending to care about her servants. I'm not buying it. She's very demanding and entitled.

 

When they arrived and she hugged the (doorman? valet? butler?), I thought he initially had a distinct WTF look on his face.

[hoodooznoodooz]

CF, tsk, tsk. This trip really comes across as you simply showing off.

[Texasmom1970]

Sheesh, just when you think unmade bed Juliet can't look any worse she does. She was actually late putting together that abomidable snowman outfit of a white chunky knit tied around her waste?! Makes no sense.

How the hell is that woman a stylist and fashion blogger? Who the hell would hire her to style them or pay attention to what she thinks is relevant fashion wise!

So this palace makes Mapperton look like a crack house!

[Eater of Worlds]

I read an interesting blind item.  The first part of it said that the show is going to be renewed so we get another year of it.  The second part is that Caroline S hoovers up coke, is abusive (which we already know) and is racist.  Have we seen her saying anything racist?

 

Also, Caroline F had to give up being a Baroness to marry that guy, right?  I take it she didn't give up getting the actual house or anything?  

Edited November 3, 2015 by Eater of Worlds

[biakbiak]

Perhaps Julie could have used this as a research trip for Mapperton, looks like Valdermar is also open to the public.

[Eater of Worlds]

Perhaps Julie could have used this as a research trip for Mapperton, looks like Valdermar is also open to the public.

 

The place has mini golf, bike rentals, kayak rentals, segway rentals.  Is Mapperton big enough for a bike or segway rental?

 

I just read Trip Advisor and you can see the trouble Mapperton has.  The gardens are weedy, the swimming pool is not usable by humans (it's full of newts apparently), it's basically all falling apart.  I have no idea where they are going to get the money to fix it up.  The brochure you get doesn't even have a map of the gardens, so you have no idea which way to go.

Edited November 3, 2015 by Eater of Worlds

[ScoobieDoobs]

Idk, Annabelle continuing to whine & wail over McQueen seems forced & tired.  And I can totally understand the above comments about being indifferent to McQueen -- particularly if you aren't into fashion and/or had little (if any) idea who he was.  See, this is the thing.  If he really was her best friend (maybe he was & maybe he had a zillion peeps who thought he was their best friend), then Annabelle is doing a shitty job of preserving his memory -- as his supposedly best friend.  

 

Annabelle could have used this show to remind some (& enlighten others) of who McQueen was & his importance in fashion & his impact in that world.  Did she ever attempt to do that?  Not really.  She wore a few of his dresses on cam, and she lent one to Julie that fit her horribly.  Big woo.  Instead of moping around for most of this season (with her hair always in her face), when she wasn't on happy pills, she coulda done more to talk about McQueen -- about why he should be remembered & about her relationship with him.  But all we got in this ep was her useless whining & wailing & it totally bored me.

 

The castle porn was nice.  I thought Marissa looked really good.  Her hair looked elegant.  At least she knows how to behave in most circumstances & with these upper-crust peeps.  Julie & Juliet looked & behaved completely out of their element.  When Julie asked that fancy-looking lady about "refurb", she looked at Julie with a dazed & confused look.  Honestly, I shuddered.  

 

I'm not sure what it is about Julie & Juliet.  It's not that they're American or were raised middle-class/working-class.  I fit both of those descriptions.  And yet, I can "transform" & hang with the wealthy in formal occasions/parties/events & fit in perfectly, with no prob.  Seems like Marissa can too.  Not Julie & Juliet tho.  Why is that?  Those 2 are just slobs, no matter what.  Don't know why that is, but it is.

 

I saw Caroline shut down Luke, but was puzzled why.  Was he trying to instigate something?  I didn't even recognize him.  His presence there seemed strange to me.

 

Annabelle kinda changed moods & was light & seemingly happy for a bit, eh?  Did they take a break & she gulped down a fistful of those happy pills?

 

When they were dancing, I had no idea what was going on.  The prob with this show is there is very little sense of direction.  You could tell this isn't one of Satan Andy's shows cuz he (and/or his producers) writes/creates storylines & scripts.  There's nothing going on here -- and it's way too obvious.  Sure, I like the castle porn & the table decor & the furniture & the rugs, but I was getting bored.  There was nothing going on here.  Enjoy the next ep cuz I think that's it for this show.

Edited November 3, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[Nancybeth]

I agree with you BiakBiak, allowing a reality show to film at one of the three visits to your mother's grave in your life kind of lessened the impact the moment had for me.

 

I also noticed that Caroline, who's first language was Danish, wrote the note on her mother's (who also likely spoke Danish) grave in ENGLISH, which seemed totally staged.

 

I had to groan when Annabelle revealed that her terrible mood and the shocking phone call was all about MCQUEEEEEEN.  Who has been dead for five years.  He was a celebrity.  She needs to accept that people will continue to write and talk about it and it won't all be positive and she has to remember the man who she knew and loved and not get sucked in by the paparazzi.

 

In the dinner scenes there was a younger blonde woman among the guests, and she sat next to Marissa.  I wondered if that was Caroline F.'s sister? 

Edited November 3, 2015 by Nancybeth

[OnceSane]

Is this the first time they've showed us the cast smoking? We saw ashtrays overflowing on NYE, but did we see them smoking?

They smoke all the time.

I'm in the camp that the show will be renewed for a third season, and I thought that before seeing that blind item Eater of Worlds posted. One reason I think it'll be renewed is that Bravo is bringing the Real Housewives of Cheshire's first season to US television later this month.

[walnutqueen]

They smoke all the time.

I'm in the camp that the show will be renewed for a third season, and I thought that before seeing that blind item Eater of Worlds posted. One reason I think it'll be renewed is that Bravo is bringing the Real Housewives of Cheshire's first season to US television later this month.

 

Ooh, I am so excited!  Cheshire cheese is my favorite!

[Wouldofshouldof]

What the hell was on Julie's ear at dinner?  Did she fall asleep in an ash tray or something?  (Sorry, I don't know how to capture an image of a video.)

 

http://www.bravotv.com/ladies-of-london/season-2/episode-9/videos/a-storm-is-brewing-in-denmark-for-caroline-and-annabelle

 

[poeticlicensed]

How the hell is that woman a stylist and fashion blogger? Who the hell would hire her to style them or pay attention to what she thinks is relevant fashion wise!

. 

 

Check out her blog. It's actually very nice and she looks way better and more stylish in the pictures than she does on the show. 

[pasdetrois]

Reading the blind item, my first thought was that if the drug rumor is true, it might explain the ever-present and overly familiar "makeup artist." Not to mention the failed business. Or sleeping late all the time. Or the seeming detachment from her children. Or humping Juliet's husband (which was very uncharacteristic for the normally reserved Caroline S.).

[kassa]

Just when I thought the music for this show couldn't get worse, they decided to stop/start it erratically.  Not sure the effect they were going for, unless it was to aggravate.

 

I hope Annabelle's family gets her help.  I am not exaggerating when I say that my sister was less dramatic about the death of her 35 year old HUSBAND than Annabelle is at the death of her friend.  My sister was less dramatic at the time her husband actually died and in the immediate aftermath than Annabelle is all these years later.  It's really seriously not healthy.  I don't think she's being a drama queen so much as she's desperately depressed.  I'm sure suicide makes it worse in a way (you're bound to wonder if you could have done something, unlike a car crash), but she's obviously not coping.  That riding accident did a number on her and I think she's processing all sorts of trauma right now.  Hope her family and real friends are on top of it.

Edited November 3, 2015 by kassa

[Frost]

 

I just read Trip Advisor and you can see the trouble Mapperton has.  The gardens are weedy, the swimming pool is not usable by humans (it's full of newts apparently), it's basically all falling apart.

I'm confused.  I just went to Trip Adviser and Mapperton is rated 4.5 out of 5.  Besides one person complaining about not having a picnic area, all the recent reviews are very complimentary.  It sounds lovely.

[RCharter]

I'm halfway through the episode, and I'm so annoyed with Julie the halfwit and fairweather friend.

 

If she can't see what Caroline S. is doing, she deserves what she gets, which is ultimately going to be being up Caroline S's ass and dismissed when she upsets her.

 

Julie keeps saying that everyone is talking about Annabelle's mood.  And what does her wonderful friend Julie do?  Does she take her friend aside and ask her whats wrong?  Does she take her out for an early morning breakfast and just sit and listen to her?  No, what Julie chooses to do is sit on a bus and talk shit with three other people about her "best friend."

 

Julie isn't "growing a pair of balls" she is just that girl that is finally being allowed to play with the cool kids and so she is trying to dump her other friend.  That is a shitty way to treat someone.  Julie was fine to be around for Annabelle when Annabelle was the only one that would have her.  But now Caroline S. wants Julie too and so Julie wants to dump someone that has stood up for her.

 

You really think Caroline S. wants people to have their own views and opinions?  Really, what about last year when Juliet was shoved so far up her ass she could have told her what she had for dinner?  Caroline S. didn't seem to mind that.  In fact, the only time Juliet got in trouble with Caroline S. is when she had the gall to get upset that Caroline humped her husband.

 

I'm actually hurting for Annabelle because she took the time to take Julie under her wing, she went out of her way to stand up for Julie, and the thanks she is getting is having her friend talk shit about her behind her back.  

[RCharter]

To me, it felt like Annabelle was expecting Julie to read her mind, which is totally unfair.

You don't have to read someone's mind to go to their room, invite them for coffee and quietly ask them whats going on when you can see something is going on with them.  

 

Not bitch about the only person that has stood up for you in a bus full of people.

 

Julie knew something was going on with Annabelle from the minute she arrived at the airport.  Even without the dramatic music, you could tell that Annabelle was doing things that would let a reasonable person know that she needed a friend and she needed someone to talk to.

 

Julie crows about what a extra sensitive person she is.  And if she is that extra sensitive she should have been able to pick up on her friend acting strange and tried to figure out what was going on.

 

But I think Julie will get hers in the end, because I think Caroline F and Caroline S both respect Annabelle more than they will ever respect Julie and will have no problem throwing Julie to the curb when they have no use for her.

Edited November 4, 2015 by RCharter

[ScoobieDoobs]

Reading the blind item, my first thought was that if the drug rumor is true, it might explain the ever-present and overly familiar "makeup artist." Not to mention the failed business. Or sleeping late all the time. Or the seeming detachment from her children. Or humping Juliet's husband (which was very uncharacteristic for the normally reserved Caroline S.).

 

Didn't even think that the real reason she has Luke around is to get her more coke wherever they are.  Notice she tried to "explain" why she was even more testy/unpleasant/snippy than she usually is?  She's seeming very, very moody.  Hmmmm.

 

The blind item could be right.  Maybe they might bring the show back.  The ratings have hovered between 800 & 900 thou, which given the strong lead from OC in the past (around 2 mil) really sucks badly.  Bravo shows at this ratings level usually just don't get renewed.  But look at the other Bravo shows now.  They really stink.  Other than Housewives & VR, there's such dreck & shit.  Yeah, there's that awful Shahs thing & that tool/douchebag Jeff Lewis, who Satan Andy seems to love so much.  Ew.  Below Deck?  Ugh.  I kinda like Southern Charm.  But Bravo is desperate for shows now, so I could see them trying to save this one.  Seems hopeless to me, but I'm OK with it.

[TheFinalRose]

Julie's black dress for the Royal Dinner was tres tacky. Man, that girl bugs me to no end. Stop telling her she's a butterfly growing her wings or whatever because it just encourages her. Next week looks good with her dipping back into the hyper-sensitive crying jags "I'm soooo busy with my balls! boo hoo."

 

I loved Caroline Fleming, the hostess. She has repeatedly informed her guests of what the schedule was, what times meals were, how important it was to her that they leave their crap at the door to their home, and they still just all flake out on her. I love that she said her piece and then seemed to drop it. I loved her in the green dress.

 

Did Marissa's declaration of love for Caroline F at the dinner strike anyone else as truly odd?  I mean it's not like it was Marissa who was with Caroline when she visited her mother's ashes?  What caused this new-found love?  Was it Marissa seeing the house and the staff?

 

 

I thought she was very weird. The speech was all about her.  

 

Well I certainly hope this show is coming back but it needs a cast update ... sadly the two girls from Illinois, Julie and Juliet, need to go. I need real Londonites, thank you very much.  And I'm from Illinois, you know, and even I can't root for them anymore.

[RCharter]

Didn't even think that the real reason she has Luke around is to get her more coke wherever they are.  Notice she tried to "explain" why she was even more testy/unpleasant/snippy than she usually is?  She's seeming very, very moody.  Hmmmm.

 

The blind item could be right.  Maybe they might bring the show back.  The ratings have hovered between 800 & 900 thou, which given the strong lead from OC in the past (around 2 mil) really sucks badly.  Bravo shows at this ratings level usually just don't get renewed.  But look at the other Bravo shows now.  They really stink.  Other than Housewives & VR, there's such dreck & shit.  Yeah, there's that awful Shahs thing & that tool/douchebag Jeff Lewis, who Satan Andy seems to love so much.  Ew.  Below Deck?  Ugh.  I kinda like Southern Charm.  But Bravo is desperate for shows now, so I could see them trying to save this one.  Seems hopeless to me, but I'm OK with it.

I wouldn't mind Luke being added as a more permanent cast member, I realize he isn't rich, but he seems to be the most level headed one.  And I don't like seeing Caroline S. treat him like some indentured servant.  I get that she thinks its cute, and maybe it could be in small doses, but I'm over it CS....move on.

 

I think that this needs to be a summer show period.  Where it doesn't have much competition and there isn't such a high onus on ratings.

 

I really enjoy the show and I don't see why its not doing better, but maybe if it spends a few seasons gaining a following in the summer it can move to the fall.

 

Julie's black dress for the Royal Dinner was tres tacky. Man, that girl bugs me to no end. Stop telling her she's a butterfly growing her wings or whatever because it just encourages her. Next week looks good with her dipping back into the hyper-sensitive crying jags "I'm soooo busy with my balls! boo hoo."

 

I loved Caroline Fleming, the hostess. She has repeatedly informed her guests of what the schedule was, what times meals were, how important it was to her that they leave their crap at the door to their home, and they still just all flake out on her. I love that she said her piece and then seemed to drop it. I loved her in the green dress.

 

 

I thought she was very weird. The speech was all about her.  

 

Well I certainly hope this show is coming back but it needs a cast update ... sadly the two girls from Illinois, Julie and Juliet, need to go. I need real Londonites, thank you very much.  And I'm from Illinois, you know, and even I can't root for them anymore.

You know when this season started I really liked Julie.  Other people on the board pointed out things they didn't like about her, but I couldn't see it.  And now I do.

 

As you said, they are actively encouraging her nonsense.  I think its fine to be a sensitive person or whatever, it takes all types to make the world turn, but if you're going to be super sensitive you should at least be the type that recognizes a friend in need, or sensitive enough to realize that you shouldn't talk shit about your friend behind their back and that it would be hurtful.  Apparently Julie is only sensitive when it comes to her feelings.

 

And next week?  I'm already feeling my blood pressure rise listening to cry about how busy she is and how it keeps her from being a good friend.  You are not too busy to pick up a damn phone or talk to your friend when you're on a trip with her.  You weren't too damn busy to go to swanky events with Annabelle were you?  But when she needs a friend suddenly its all "save Mapperton" and "JUB."  Its a shame to me that everyone else did a better job at soothing Annabelle than the one person that keeps claiming that she is her best friend.

 

I'm no longer a fan of Caroline F.  -- I personally didn't see the big deal over breakfast, but as someone else explained its clearly a cultural thing.  But credit where its due....she laid down the fucking law and I'll bet not a one of those bitches was a nanosecond late for dinner.  I don't even understand how Juliet was late since she looked awful.  What was tied around her waist?  A sweater or a fanny pack?  But Caroline F looked absolutely beautiful in that green dress. And I thought Annabelle's dress was beautiful too.  

 

Meh -- this show is good in that there isn't anyone I really am too invested in.  They all annoy me in turn, which is kinda cool since I can just watch and snark without a care in the world.

[RCharter]

Yeah, that's why when she trotted out the HSP label I rolled my eyes. I've encountered snowflakes like Julie before.

I swear to you I thought she was joking.  I could not even understand that she was being dead serious about thinking it was some sort of disorder or a thing.

 

I don't know that I have ever encountered someone quite as bad as Julie and I don't think I could handle it.

[breezy424]

Every time I look at Julie I just want to take her to a salon and get her a haircut, a deep conditioning and a highlight correction.

 

Loved, loved Caroline F's home and being introduced to the whole lifestyle.  It's one of things I love about this show.  I get her being a stickler about being on time for things.  She made a point about it.  Respect it.  Respect the culture.

 

Caroline S.  is so full of herself as well as her sister in law.  Please Bravo, no more of Sophie. 

 

Annabelle, who I couldn't stand last season, has grown on me this season and I understand why she's upset with Julie.  But she's so like many of us in that instead of saying something to Julie, she wants Julie to figure it out.  And Julie is at fault for not asking Annabelle what was going on.