S10.E20: Reunion Part 1

[MatildaMoody]

I think I can sum this season up as "Tamra got revenge on Vicki for last season." Remember last year's reunion? Vicki said something about how she had a great year and the look on Tamra's face was that of someone who wanted to kill. Vicki backed out of the plan to turn on Heather (even told Tamra point blank that she would lose if she went against Heather) and then she had the nerve to befriend Shannon, who was Tamra's next target. A sociopath like Tamra is not going to let that go because she saw it as a personal attack on her and the methods she had always used since joining the show. I believe that is why Eddie did his cough bullshit cough in that first episode when Vicki said something about Brooks and his cancer treatments. I also believe that is why she fed the psychic the question about Brooks when he wasn't even there - remember Tamra has laughed and dismissed psychics as being full of it, but this one was somehow her spiritual adviser? 

 

Tamra used Mehgan as her mouthpiece for "justice" and then systematically worked on Shannon to get her questioning Vicki. Meanwhile, she was continuing to pretend to be Vicki's friend all the way up to the filming of the reunion. She was basically biding her time until Shannon turned completely on Vicki so that she could drop Vicki completely. All the while, she is trying to convince the audience that she has changed and is now a Christian who has been reborn after her baptism. Oh Tamra, I see who you are (TM Lydia).

 

Tamra is my least favorite housewife with Heather a close second, but she fascinates me because how often do you get to see a sociopath navigate and manipulate her way through relationships on television?

[sasha206]

Oh Vicki and the SAHM front, I honestly *get* what her point was.  I guffawed though when Heather talked about how dreadfully awful it was to be a SAHM...please honey.  You have 4 kids and at least one nanny to help you.  Hardly the average SAHM.

 

I think Vicki was essentially saying don't buy some fucking hugely extravagant item (like a "nice handbag" that Dubrow would like) without consultation.  I'm sure Vicki wasn't talking about sustenance items or small luxury items. But when the money you might spend on a handbag is the down payment on a modest home, maybe you should talk with your spouse?  I'm sure most of us consult our SOs before you purchase something that extravagant.  I'd hope mine would!

Edited October 21, 2015 by sasha206

[beesknees]

I call Meghan out on the judgy eyes thing.  Everyone at some point, unless they are totally incapable of expressing non-verbal emotions, use their eyes and face to react to things they hear/see/feel.  To me Meghan was grasping at ways to take digs at Shannon in a really immature fashion.  If Shannon has "judgy eyes," then Meghan you have a judgy face.

 

On behalf of Shannon Bedor and myself ~ We Thank You ...

[bosawks]

After watching "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown", I finally realized who Meghan reminds me of....Lucy smiling like a mad woman as she plunged that knife into the pumpkin.

[Grneyedldy]

Remember this is the same woman who when asked if she owed Alexis an apology for calling her Jesus Jugs, she shrugged and said she apologized to Jesus. No amount of holy water is going to make her see that she was a shitty person to Alexis. And she certainly isn't going to apologize to Alexis for the shitty behavior.

 

Oh I never expected her to do anything other than what she did, but she missed a pivotal moment to show her Christianity in full force and she blew it.

 

This is a hazy memory.  Wasn't Donn Vicki's boss back in Illinois...maybe Home Depot?  They had an affair and left their respective families and "transferred" to California?   If this is incorrect, maybe I'll send my script to Andy for a new show.

Yes you are correct. Donn was her boss, they had an affair, got married and moved to SoCal. Donn was a manager of Home Depot and knew how to make a living long before Vicki came along.

[happykitteh]

Whaaaat? "Barely middle class"?

 

Weeks ago I read post after post claiming there is absolute proof that Vicki definitely fer sure gets paid $1 million per season now. And now lately I'm seeing comments that she's not making much from her insurance business or this show, and she's certainly not upper middle class. Geez, which is it? I mean, even if in truth she gets paid only $100,000 for the entire season, that plus some income from her business (say $50,000 per year) puts her in the upper middle class in terms of income. It's possible she's spending it all and has little savings, even has a second mortgage on her house and is leasing her cars and still owes the dentist for Brooks' teeth, but she still makes an upper middle class income. That said, I don't doubt that one reason she will put a death grip her orange and try to convince Bravo to do a spinoff is that she needs the Bravo income to maintain her lifestyle. Please Bravo, just say NO.

 

if she was hypothetically making $150K a year that's not upper middle class for the area where she lives. Cost of living is expensive due to housing prices and State of CA taxes and fees are outrageous.

 

Oh I never expected her to do anything other than what she did, but she missed a pivotal moment to show her Christianity in full force and she blew it.

  Yes you are correct. Donn was her boss, they had an affair, got married and moved to SoCal. Donn was a manager of Home Depot and knew how to make a living long before Vicki came along.

 

I could be wrong but I thought Vicki was already divorced and workin gat Home Depot as a single mom. I thought Donn, too, was already divorced. I don't think he worked at store level as a manager, I thought he was some regional exec whose position was transferred to CA. I do remember he was fired because of sexual harassment accusations, though whether those accusations were true or just employees out for revenge I don't know. Not too many details were spoken about that.

[Grneyedldy]

if she was hypothetically making $150K a year that's not upper middle class for the area where she lives. Cost of living is expensive due to housing prices and State of CA taxes and fees are outrageous.

 

I could be wrong but I thought Vicki was already divorced and workin gat Home Depot as a single mom. I thought Donn, too, was already divorced. I don't think he worked at store level as a manager, I thought he was some regional exec whose position was transferred to CA. I do remember he was fired because of sexual harassment accusations, though whether those accusations were true or just employees out for revenge I don't know. Not too many details were spoken about that.

I could be wrong about his work position. I thought I remember reading he was a manager. Vicki's ex confirmed that they had an affair. The ex also said Vicki had an abortion. Don't know if it's true.

[Rainny]

Oh Vicki and the SAHM front, I honestly *get* what her point was.  I guffawed though when Heather talked about how dreadfully awful it was to be a SAHM...please honey.  You have 4 kids and at least one nanny to help you.  Hardly the average SAHM.

 

I think Vicki was essentially saying don't buy some fucking hugely extravagant item (like a "nice handbag" that Dubrow would like) without consultation.  I'm sure Vicki wasn't talking about sustenance items or small luxury items. But when the money you might spend on a handbag is the down payment on a modest home, maybe you should talk with your spouse?  I'm sure most of us consult our SOs before you purchase something that extravagant.  I'd hope mine would!

 

 

I agree with you. I've been both, mostly SAHM though and I don't think it's an awful job at all. I also manage the checkbook and bills in our house so I would never buy something extravagant without talking to my husband first because I would be livid if he did that. It would screw up my entire budget. Of course my budget is smaller than some of these women. 

 

The way Vicki talks I always figured she and Don had separate accounts so no one was spending money they didn't earn themselves. Ramona always said that women should make their own money, but she never came off the way Vicki does about it. I can't explain it,

[MatildaMoody]

 

Oh I never expected her to do anything other than what she did, but she missed a pivotal moment to show her Christianity in full force and she blew it.

 

LOL! I know. Tamra, for all of her manipulations and machinations, is still too much of a narcissist to admit she is wrong. It's part of why she is so fascinating as  sociopath who is being rewarded for her behavior. She had the perfect opportunity to take the high ground, and instead she decided that her new Christianity offered her a band aid so that she could continue the same behavior. Because in her mind, who is Alexis to be offended by Tamra's treatment of her? 

 

The upshot of all of this is that Shannon and Heather are now friends. Not that I like or even care a fig about Heather. But, now that they are friends, I am hopeful that my dream (I have posted about this since Shannon joined the show) of Heather and Shannon teaming up to take Tamra down may actually happen. 

 

Tamra is going to have work double time to keep track of what she is telling each of them about the other. If there is an 11th season, I am hopeful that Heather and Shannon will see that Tamra is the DEVIL and finally trap her in all of her lies. I'm not certain that will actually happen. Heather has been very careful to stay clear of Tamra's bad side (the one exception being when she told Eddie about Tamra being all upset about not giving him a baby, because Heather overheard Tamra badmouthing her to Shannon). I honestly think that it was Terry that convinced Heather that Tamra was the friend she needed to always keep. 

 

But, if Heather has an actual ally in Shannon, maybe she won't worry so much about staying on Tamra's good side. This would be especially true if the women have in fact alienated Vicki to the point that she doesn't get offered a contract next year. However, if Vicki does get offered another contract (and let's be honest Andy will fight to keep Vicki as a punching bag for the other women for the sake of drama or for the sake of giving her one more season after her mom died to redeem herself) Tamra will be a bitch to Vicki until Shannon and Heather start comparing notes on Tamra. Once that happens, Tamra will come running back to Vicki and make it an "us against the world" situation the same way she has always done. 

 

So, my fingers are crossed and I am hopeful that Tamra will FINALLY get her comeuppance in the form of a Heather/Shannon duo. 

 

As for Vicki, I know that many people don't like her. But, I liken her to Ramona on NYC or Kyle in BH, the show just wouldn't be the show without her. Where else are they going to find someone so delusional and narcissistic and without self awareness? The funniest moments on the show for me come from Vicki's delusions. Tamra can talk all she wants about how the show needs her for drama. The show needs Vicki for her complete obliviousness to how she actually comes across and the humor that brings. 

 

Vicki not only invited the snark that made this show fun, she WAS the snark that made this show fun. Without her ridiculousness, we would just have Tamra trying to stir shit where there was none (or at least nothing interesting) and Heather being condescending/mothering to Mehgan, while Shannon acts kooky without a sidekick while exploiting her kids on TV as she plays the martyr.

[aurora296]

This is what Simon Barney posted on his Facebook. 

 

 

T

[Cosmocrush]

I've long felt that Simon Barney was an abusive controlling and angry husband.  And apparently, he isn't any more mature than Tamra either.  I I think the way they are playing their war out on social media is disgusting. 

 

As far a Tamra and the sociopath label, I'm not a doctor and I even if I was I probably wouldn't try and diagnose a mental condition of someone on TV.    But in any  case, I honestly don't think Tamra is smart enough to create some diabolical plan to get a friend/co-worker.  If she was that good at it, I'd imagine she'd target Simon before anyone.  Look how all her plots against Gretchen really only made herself look terrible.  She's a grown up version of a middle school mean girl for sure, but I just don't find her that bright.  

 

 

As for Vicki, I know that many people don't like her. But, I liken her to Ramona on NYC or Kyle in BH, the show just wouldn't be the show without her. Where else are they going to find someone so delusional and narcissistic and without self awareness? The funniest moments on the show for me come from Vicki's delusions. Tamra can talk all she wants about how the show needs her for drama. The show needs Vicki for her complete obliviousness to how she actually comes across and the humor that brings. 

 

Vicki not only invited the snark that made this show fun, she WAS the snark that made this show fun. Without her ridiculousness, we would just have Tamra trying to stir shit where there was none (or at least nothing interesting) and Heather being condescending/mothering to Mehgan, while Shannon acts kooky without a sidekick while exploiting her kids on TV as she plays the martyr.

I could not agree more MatildaMoody.    I probably wouldn't watch without the Vickster.  Same for Ramona.  For me, they bring the entertainment. 

Edited October 21, 2015 by Cosmocrush

[imjagain]

Agreed that road rage is never a good thing.  But an 80-year-old woman !!??  Ummmm ..........

yes, but thankfully the biker  reported Vickie's mom to the cops and not taken the law into his own hands, because that would not be a ha ha story to tell at family reunions.

[Grneyedldy]

LOL! I know. Tamra, for all of her manipulations and machinations, is still too much of a narcissist to admit she is wrong. It's part of why she is so fascinating as sociopath who is being rewarded for her behavior. She had the perfect opportunity to take the high ground, and instead she decided that her new Christianity offered her a band aid so that she could continue the same behavior. Because in her mind, who is Alexis to be offended by Tamra's treatment of her?

The upshot of all of this is that Shannon and Heather are now friends. Not that I like or even care a fig about Heather. But, now that they are friends, I am hopeful that my dream (I have posted about this since Shannon joined the show) of Heather and Shannon teaming up to take Tamra down may actually happen.

Tamra is going to have work double time to keep track of what she is telling each of them about the other. If there is an 11th season, I am hopeful that Heather and Shannon will see that Tamra is the DEVIL and finally trap her in all of her lies. I'm not certain that will actually happen. Heather has been very careful to stay clear of Tamra's bad side (the one exception being when she told Eddie about Tamra being all upset about not giving him a baby, because Heather overheard Tamra badmouthing her to Shannon). I honestly think that it was Terry that convinced Heather that Tamra was the friend she needed to always keep.

But, if Heather has an actual ally in Shannon, maybe she won't worry so much about staying on Tamra's good side. This would be especially true if the women have in fact alienated Vicki to the point that she doesn't get offered a contract next year. However, if Vicki does get offered another contract (and let's be honest Andy will fight to keep Vicki as a punching bag for the other women for the sake of drama or for the sake of giving her one more season after her mom died to redeem herself) Tamra will be a bitch to Vicki until Shannon and Heather start comparing notes on Tamra. Once that happens, Tamra will come running back to Vicki and make it an "us against the world" situation the same way she has always done.

So, my fingers are crossed and I am hopeful that Tamra will FINALLY get her comeuppance in the form of a Heather/Shannon duo.

As for Vicki, I know that many people don't like her. But, I liken her to Ramona on NYC or Kyle in BH, the show just wouldn't be the show without her. Where else are they going to find someone so delusional and narcissistic and without self awareness? The funniest moments on the show for me come from Vicki's delusions. Tamra can talk all she wants about how the show needs her for drama. The show needs Vicki for her complete obliviousness to how she actually comes across and the humor that brings.

Vicki not only invited the snark that made this show fun, she WAS the snark that made this show fun. Without her ridiculousness, we would just have Tamra trying to stir shit where there was none (or at least nothing interesting) and Heather being condescending/mothering to Mehgan, while Shannon acts kooky without a sidekick while exploiting her kids on TV as she plays the martyr.

Very interesting and a well thought out plan. I would however, like to go with my plan first and if it doesn't work, then go with you plan.

My plan: get rid of both Vicki and Tamra. There, problem solved. :-)

I'm just sooooo done with Vicki. What else does she have to offer? Please no more Oklahoma and all that goes with that. I used to be Brianna's biggest supporter, but that ship has long sailed. I don't like who Brianna has become and I don't want to see anything about her life. I don't want to see Vicki at pretend work. I most definitely do not want to see Vicki date. That doesn't leave much.

Same with Tamra. I'm sick and tired of her crap. And puhleeze Bravo, keep that sicko son of hers off our screens. Tamra has zilch in the way of a story to offer. I don't want to watch her pretend to be a Christian. I don't want to watch her pretend to be a realtor for a day. The most entertaining thing I have seen Tamra do in the last few seasons was trying to hit that piñata while wearing stiletto heels. It would have been better if she had gone down, but I still got enjoyment.

I posted in another thread that I would like Bravo to get rid of Vicki, Tamra and Meaghan (I just can't picture ever enjoying watching her) and bring on some women that have some wealth beyond their Bravo paychecks. I wish Bravo would also stop with the "storylines" and threatening the women to either "bring it" or lose their orange. Just film them being fabulous and let the snarking begin.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Grneyedldy

[ScoobieDoobs]

Oh yeah, Andy was all over that even though Jena meant " wrote the treatment" lol.  But I do remember when Jena used to go around saying the show was 'created' by Dunlop for her family - even Whori Laurie mentioned it last night so when Vicks claimed the title it didn't really bother me.   She is one of the original cast members of the original franchise.  That's something. 

 

I would not believe a word out of Crooks mouth for anything. The guy is a straight up con man  Why is he giving interviews to E!?  Because now he is a famewhore grifter, lol.  

 

Jeana got story on how the OC Housewives was "created" correct.  It absolutely started with Scott Dunlop, the creator, and his friendship with Jeana & his original idea to highlight Jeana's family & her friends & their families.  Vicks is deluded & dead wrong.  The show did NOT start with her & it's NOT hers -- at all.  Satan Andy could get rid of her at this point & the show could plug along just fine.

 

As far as talk of Vicks being barely middle class?  Here's the thing -- her blather & babble about her "working" till late hours, (supposedly selling people insurance at 3 o'clock in the morning) was misleading.  From her constant babble about working so long & hard, it's easy to assume that she's worth tens of millions.  The public records of her divorce from Donn revealed her insurance business was worth less than 100 thou.  Er, huh?  Yup, how Vicks makes the bulk of her income is from the show.  Whatever Bravo dough she gets (the estimate is anywhere from 500 thou to a mil), puts her obviously way above middle class status.

 

I believe it was said earlier (being a wee bit snarky) she was barely middle class cuz she was still babbling about that boat she never would have been able to afford in a zillion years.  That boat (& its the exorbitant maintenance costs) would probably be 100 (or maybe a thousand) times what her ratty/shitty/crumbling shack was worth.  Seriously, Vicks, who are ya trying to kid?  We know who you are, hun.  Stop lying, will ya?  Sheesh, Vicks.  I never believed you were selling anyone insurance at 3 o'clock in the morning.  She's still trying to throw at us that she's extremely wealthy.  She's not.

 

I'm thinking Crooksie is living now off the dough he got from Satan Andy.  Shrugging hard.  Not that I would sympathize with him anyway -- but I sympathize even less with his whining about being "used" for a storyline.  I see that he's not saying how much he got paid to be "used", is he?  No he ain't.  Hmmm, OK then.  Me thinks Crooksie is calling the dough he got from Satan Andy his "fuck you money".  He got enough so he could finally get away from Vicks & now Crooksie-poo is this guy-

 

Edited October 21, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[Scrambled Fog]

I think I can sum this season up as "Tamra got revenge on Vicki for last season." Remember last year's reunion? Vicki said something about how she had a great year and the look on Tamra's face was that of someone who wanted to kill. Vicki backed out of the plan to turn on Heather (even told Tamra point blank that she would lose if she went against Heather) and then she had the nerve to befriend Shannon, who was Tamra's next target. A sociopath like Tamra is not going to let that go because she saw it as a personal attack on her and the methods she had always used since joining the show. I believe that is why Eddie did his cough bullshit cough in that first episode when Vicki said something about Brooks and his cancer treatments. I also believe that is why she fed the psychic the question about Brooks when he wasn't even there - remember Tamra has laughed and dismissed psychics as being full of it, but this one was somehow her spiritual adviser?

Tamra used Mehgan as her mouthpiece for "justice" and then systematically worked on Shannon to get her questioning Vicki. Meanwhile, she was continuing to pretend to be Vicki's friend all the way up to the filming of the reunion. She was basically biding her time until Shannon turned completely on Vicki so that she could drop Vicki completely. All the while, she is trying to convince the audience that she has changed and is now a Christian who has been reborn after her baptism. Oh Tamra, I see who you are (TM Lydia).

Tamra is my least favorite housewife with Heather a close second, but she fascinates me because how often do you get to see a sociopath navigate and manipulate her way through relationships on television?

Yes!

Well put. I have been trying to think of a way to articulate what you wrote for ages.

Personally, I don't think Tamra would be nearly as effective executing her schemes w/o help from production. She's too dang conspicuous. She's not slick or smooth.

Her tactics are rather juvenile too.

[Scrambled Fog]

After watching "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown", I finally realized who Meghan reminds me of....Lucy smiling like a mad woman as she plunged that knife into the pumpkin.

L O L!

[Thick McRunFast]

This is what Simon Barney posted on his Facebook. 

 

 

T

His screenshot included his google search? Dude, crop that out. *dies laughing* What a tool.

Edited October 21, 2015 by Thick McRunFast

[Former Nun]

Vicks is deluded & dead wrong.

 

 

ScoobieDoobs, posters could copy this sentence below almost every comment of Vicki's.  Precious!

[njbchlover]

I call Meghan out on the judgy eyes thing.  Everyone at some point, unless they are totally incapable of expressing non-verbal emotions, use their eyes and face to react to things they hear/see/feel.  To me Meghan was grasping at ways to take digs at Shannon in a really immature fashion.  If Shannon has "judgy eyes," then Meghan you have a judgy face.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will say this about Meghan - she gives great "eyebrow"....she can raise that one eyebrow really high.  Hope she doesn't screw that up with botox injections!

 

I am envious of people who can do that one eyebrow raise thingy - I have tried and tried and tried, and just cannot do it!!  

[lunastartron]

Vis-a-vis Donn's position at Home Depot, a regional exec in business operations generally is a manager, just one with multiple stores under his purview as opposed to one. It's a position that would probably net well into a six figure salary depending on his rank ("regional" can refer to different levels depending on the company in question but there's usually a store manager, a manager of multiple stores above them, a manager of even more multiple stores, and then, like, a VP. He would probably visit various locations in-person regularly for supervision. Just fyi.

[MatildaMoody]

Very interesting and a well thought out plan. I would however, like to go with my plan first and if it doesn't work, then go with you plan.

My plan: get rid of both Vicki and Tamra. There, problem solved. :-)

I'm just sooooo done with Vicki. What else does she have to offer? Please no more Oklahoma and all that goes with that. I used to be Brianna's biggest supporter, but that ship has long sailed. I don't like who Brianna has become and I don't want to see anything about her life. I don't want to see Vicki at pretend work. I most definitely do not want to see Vicki date. That doesn't leave much.

Same with Tamra. I'm sick and tired of her crap. And puhleeze Bravo, keep that sicko son of hers off our screens. Tamra has zilch in the way of a story to offer. I don't want to watch her pretend to be a Christian. I don't want to watch her pretend to be a realtor for a day. The most entertaining thing I have seen Tamra do in the last few seasons was trying to hit that piñata while wearing stiletto heels. It would have been better if she had gone down, but I still got enjoyment.

I posted in another thread that I would like Bravo to get rid of Vicki, Tamra and Meaghan (I just can't picture ever enjoying watching her) and bring on some women that have some wealth beyond their Bravo paychecks. I wish Bravo would also stop with the "storylines" and threatening the women to either "bring it" or lose their orange. Just film them being fabulous and let the snarking begin.

 

For me, and this is just my opinion, what Vicki brings is the comedy. And it is funny simply because it is unintentional. Think about the football to the face, the family van, the "I got the stripper off the pole", the asking for a "cab" for wine in Italy, or her just showing up at her son's college and doing keg stands. Vicki is unintentionally the funniest housewife ever - her delusion is her super power. Vicki filming her "work" functions have been completely unintentionally funny. I mean, didn't she actually buy the award and then ended up falling when she went to accept it?

 

Tamra drops funny lines from time to time, but Vicki's funny is never planned. You just can't buy that kind of comedy. Just her contradictions in behavior versus what she says people should do is funny. Granted, this has not been a fun year when it comes to Vicki, but it doesn't change her shrieking about never having sex with multiple partners on a ski slope while the other HW's do snow angels in the background. Vicki is comedy gold without ever realizing it, and she always takes it in stride when it comes back to her at reunion time. 

 

Tamra makes a fascinating case study for me, but I could do with out her manipulated story lines.The only reason I would want her to come back would be so that she could finally get her comeuppance. If that isn't in the cards, then yeah, I would never want Tamra to come back. In fact, I would only want to see Tamra come back if she FINALLY had to answer for all of ridiculous shit stirring she has done over the years. Hence my hope for a Shannon/Heather team up to take her down. 

 

I would also love to see them get rid of Mehgan. She simply isn't interesting, just annoying. I would also love if Bravo brought on women with actual wealth outside of the show. I think that is what they tried to do with Heather and Shannon. I think the producers just made the mistake of pitting Shannon and Heather against each other rather than having them team up. But having Vicki in her delusions and Tamra in her evilness have to deal with a cast full of women who not only have more wealth, but also more social standing would be absolutely hysterical. It would be nice to see the show get back to its comic roots.

[Bebecat]

I don't find anything about Icky funny...just gross and uncouth. And as far as Crookes being a liar face...Icky is even worse Imo. She is such a hypocrite liar face. I guess her lunatic mother damaged her, so she got to damage her kids. Whatever. I don't want or need to see any of that family on my screen ever again. I can't find anything amusing about any of them.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I posted in another thread that I would like Bravo to get rid of Vicki, Tamra and Meaghan (I just can't picture ever enjoying watching her) and bring on some women that have some wealth beyond their Bravo paychecks. I wish Bravo would also stop with the "storylines" and threatening the women to either "bring it" or lose their orange. Just film them being fabulous and let the snarking begin.

 

The original idea of Scott Dunlop's -- well, Vicks, you brought it up, hun -- was to feature "women inside the gates" & their families.  The first season was interesting.  Of course, it looks kinda primitive now, but I liked it.  I wish they could go back to that.  What would I do?  I'd get rid of everyone except Shannon.  Look, Heather is just too much of a phony-baloney & way too eager to use whatever crappy actress skills she has.  Um, no.  I'd like to see how her bed & breakfast inn turns out, but she ain't really a good friend of Shannon's, so I say demote her to "friend status".

 

Tams needs to go too.  Her crying jag really rubbed me the wrong way.  First off, I couldn't understand what she was saying.  She's a lousy/shitty/terrible actress.  I had to come here to translate what she was actually saying while she was tearless wah-wah-wah-ing.  Translation for her reunion bullshit?  She's putting a spotlight on her daughter's trauma & placing it smack dab in the public eye.  Ugh, how awful for the poor girl.  She has no choice in that, does she?  Nope, she doesn't.  But Tams will do anything/everything for Satan Andy for that 600 thou (or more) he's throwing at her.  Does Satan Andy give a shit what Tams is doing to her poor daughter so he can get decent ratings & she can "earn" her 600 thou?  Nooooo.  Tams & Satan Andy are truly evil people.

 

I can't stand Meghan (she looked like Caitlyn in that dress & I say asshole Jimmy's next spouse is gonna be a dude) & I have absolutely had enough of Vicks.  But Shannon is reality-TV gold & she's wealthy & doesn't need the Bravo dough.  She seems to have tons of similarly wealthy friends who live nearby.  I say Satan Andy could cast a new show just based on Shannon & her wealthy friends.  I'm just so sick of the show as it is.  Seems really, really stale.  Satan Andy should make some drastic cast changes, but he seems to be so lazy (or maybe skeered) about doing this to any of the Housewives shows.  I don't think it's gonna happen cuz the ratings are decent.  Too bad.

Edited October 21, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[maggiemae]

I'd be dragging my parent to a doctor to see if they were beginning dementia if I were Vicki or her brother....or a "lesser" sibling.

It is not a funny story, imo.

OTOH...a friend of mine had a fun-loving old aunt that was traveling with friends somewhere on a plane and a man in one of the seats in front of them was bothered and gave them a bad time for their fun. Finally he settled down and had his hand on the back of his seat resting and the aunt painted one of his fingernails! Now THAT is funny! And fortunately prior to fight-rage back in the '80's or '90's.

[Former Nun]

That said, I think that for the most part [tight reunion dress notwithstanding] Vicks looked better this season than ever - especially her hair in her talking heads this season.   Her face lift from a season or so ago has settled nicely - and her haircolor is better.

 

 

"Better" is one step on the road of improvement.  They need more than better.

[MatildaMoody]

I'm only quoting this part for length Scoobie

 

 

The original idea of Scott Dunlop's -- well, Vicks you brought it up, hun -- was to feature "women inside the gates" & their families.

A friend of mine, who runs a snarky recap site, actually met Scott Dunlop as well as Gretchen and Slade at a party. I know, that sounds like a set up for a joke, but it is the truth (it was at Scott's house and I believe a housewife from a lesser watched show like Miami actually invited him). What my friend told me was that Scott conceived this show as a comedy. It was only ever supposed to be a funny opposite to shows like "The OC" and "Desperate Housewives." Here we were seeing actual housewives in Orange County and making fun of just how out of touch they were. And the first couple of seasons definitely gave us that.

 

It was Andy Cohen who saw an opportunity to turn the show into a "real life soap opera" and ran with it. That last part is not verbatim to what my friend told me. But he did say that once the network saw the draw in actual real drama, they immediately started looking at ways to amp it up. So yes, the show was supposed to focus on women inside the gates, but it was also supposed to provide humor about that exact same portrayal. 

[Scrambled Fog]

*Your assignment BRAVO, if you should choose to accept it is as follows.

My final wish in the viewing of this program would be to make an utterly real production of RHOC including the hiring of a housewife to not only rock the Ho'wives' world, but roll it as well.

I want a 'flameout' paroxym of True Jealousy.

Hire a 'wife between the ages of 38-41. She must have a bevy of ACTUAL good friends. In addition, she must have a calm, yet, scintillating and friendly personality and demeanor.

She must absolutely be able to easily, richly, and unflappably 'put down a bi_ ch.

She must be bright, 'educated' articulate, facially interesting and gorgeous, body slammin', intellectually curious. Also, someone that is socially, culturally, politically aware would not be amiss.

In addition, that person must have a LEGITIMATEly wealthy and absolutely FINE and DOTING husband of similar age to the wife.

And, the couple must have a couple of kids --one(I think, male) near the end of university schooling with otherworldly prospects, and the other(hmm, female) who is a preteen heavily involved in altruistic works while maintaining academic superstardom.

Oh, sh__t!

Was I sleeptyping? 'Cause THIS would never ever happen!

What a dream.

I gotta hand it to you, BookElitist. When you dream, you really dream big.

[Grneyedldy]

For me, and this is just my opinion, what Vicki brings is the comedy. And it is funny simply because it is unintentional. Think about the football to the face, the family van, the "I got the stripper off the pole", the asking for a "cab" for wine in Italy, or her just showing up at her son's college and doing keg stands. Vicki is unintentionally the funniest housewife ever - her delusion is her super power. Vicki filming her "work" functions have been completely unintentionally funny. I mean, didn't she actually buy the award and then ended up falling when she went to accept it?

 

Tamra drops funny lines from time to time, but Vicki's funny is never planned. You just can't buy that kind of comedy. Just her contradictions in behavior versus what she says people should do is funny. Granted, this has not been a fun year when it comes to Vicki, but it doesn't change her shrieking about never having sex with multiple partners on a ski slope while the other HW's do snow angels in the background. Vicki is comedy gold without ever realizing it, and she always takes it in stride when it comes back to her at reunion time. 

 

Tamra makes a fascinating case study for me, but I could do with out her manipulated story lines.The only reason I would want her to come back would be so that she could finally get her comeuppance. If that isn't in the cards, then yeah, I would never want Tamra to come back. In fact, I would only want to see Tamra come back if she FINALLY had to answer for all of ridiculous shit stirring she has done over the years. Hence my hope for a Shannon/Heather team up to take her down. 

 

I would also love to see them get rid of Mehgan. She simply isn't interesting, just annoying. I would also love if Bravo brought on women with actual wealth outside of the show. I think that is what they tried to do with Heather and Shannon. I think the producers just made the mistake of pitting Shannon and Heather against each other rather than having them team up. But having Vicki in her delusions and Tamra in her evilness have to deal with a cast full of women who not only have more wealth, but also more social standing would be absolutely hysterical. It would be nice to see the show get back to its comic roots.

Almost all those Vicki moments you listed, they were mostly from the first few years. And I absolutely agree, they were comic gold. The ski slope scene was contrived. I never believed it for a moment. Vicki has even said that she knows viewers loved the family van scene and Vicki being Vicki somehow thought that was a compliment. She's just played out. She's a pro now and it's all staged. As for Tamra, for me it's like a relationship that is finally over. There's no more fight in me. I don't care anymore about retribution. I just don't want to ever see her again. The End.

Let's face it, this franchise is approaching its expiration date. I think it has about run its course. I would love to see a change or an end.

[happykitteh]

I posted in another thread that I would like Bravo to get rid of Vicki, Tamra and Meaghan (I just can't picture ever enjoying watching her) and bring on some women that have some wealth beyond their Bravo paychecks. I wish Bravo would also stop with the "storylines" and threatening the women to either "bring it" or lose their orange. Just film them being fabulous and let the snarking begin.

 

I agree with this. Tamra and Vicki are played out. There is nothing even remotely interesting to me about Tamra. I ff through most of her scenes when they film her alone or with family. While it's sometimes entertaining to watch Vicki's delusional lack of self awareness I just don't want to watch these awful horrid women anymore and I no longer want them rewarded for their disgusting behavior with a fat Bravo paycheck. I would LOOOVE to see greedy-ass Vicki lose that paycheck and really have to work rather than, as you said in your full post, play at work. Meghan is a bore and brings nothing of interest that I can see. What I would like is for the show to go back to the old format where the women had little contact with each other and the show was more of a vigenette style of each of the womens' lives. None of this fake parties, lunches, and trips bull crap designed as an excuse to get them together to fight and backstab. Keep Heather and Shannon and bring on a few more women. I find Heather  pompous and prissy but I think it would be fun to watch her go through the building such a huge house and all the headaches that go with it. Watch her snobby self deal with contractors and such. See if she lets down her guard and loses her shit when things don't go as planned. Shannon is kooky enough that she might be fun to follow as long as the affair was no longer in play.

[Grneyedldy]

The original idea of Scott Dunlop's -- well, Vicks, you brought it up, hun -- was to feature "women inside the gates" & their families.  The first season was interesting.  Of course, it looks kinda primitive now, but I liked it.  I wish they could go back to that.  What would I do?  I'd get rid of everyone except Shannon.  Look, Heather is just too much of a phony-baloney & way too eager to use whatever crappy actress skills she has.  Um, no.  I'd like to see how her bed & breakfast inn turns out, but she ain't really a good friend of Shannon's, so I say demote her to "friend status".

 

Tams needs to go too.  Her crying jag really rubbed the wrong way.  First off, I couldn't understand what she was saying.  She's a lousy/shitty/terrible actress.  I had to come here to translate what she was actually saying while she was tearless wah-wah-wah-ing.  Translation for her reunion bullshit?  She's putting a spotlight on her daughter's trauma & placing it smack dab in the public eye.  Ugh, how awful for the poor girl.  She has no choice in that, does she?  Nope, she doesn't.  But Tams will do anything/everything for Satan Andy for that 600 thou (or more) he's throwing at her.  Does Satan Andy give a shit what Tams is doing to her poor daughter so he can get decent ratings & she can "earn" her 600 thou?  Nooooo.  Tams & Satan Andy are truly evil people.

 

I can't stand Meghan (she looked like Caitlyn in that dress & I say asshole Jimmy's next spouse is gonna be a dude) & I have absolutely had enough of Vicks.  But Shannon is reality-TV gold & she's wealthy & doesn't need the Bravo dough.  She seems to have tons of similarly wealthy friends who live nearby.  I say Satan Andy could cast a new show just based on Shannon & her wealthy friends.  I'm just so sick of the show as it is.  Seems really, really stale.  Satan Andy should make some drastic cast changes, but he seems to be so lazy (or maybe skeered) about doing this to any of the Housewives shows.  I don't think it's gonna happen cuz the ratings are decent.  Too bad.

We are of the same mind. I just wish Bravo was too.

[Scrambled Fog]

For me, and this is just my opinion, what Vicki brings is the comedy. And it is funny simply because it is unintentional. Think about the football to the face, the family van, the "I got the stripper off the pole", the asking for a "cab" for wine in Italy, or her just showing up at her son's college and doing keg stands. Vicki is unintentionally the funniest housewife ever - her delusion is her super power. Vicki filming her "work" functions have been completely unintentionally funny. I mean, didn't she actually buy the award and then ended up falling when she went to accept it?

Tamra drops funny lines from time to time, but Vicki's funny is never planned. You just can't buy that kind of comedy. Just her contradictions in behavior versus what she says people should do is funny. Granted, this has not been a fun year when it comes to Vicki, but it doesn't change her shrieking about never having sex with multiple partners on a ski slope while the other HW's do snow angels in the background. Vicki is comedy gold without ever realizing it, and she always takes it in stride when it comes back to her at reunion time.

Tamra makes a fascinating case study for me, but I could do with out her manipulated story lines.The only reason I would want her to come back would be so that she could finally get her comeuppance. If that isn't in the cards, then yeah, I would never want Tamra to come back. In fact, I would only want to see Tamra come back if she FINALLY had to answer for all of ridiculous shit stirring she has done over the years. Hence my hope for a Shannon/Heather team up to take her down.

I would also love to see them get rid of Mehgan. She simply isn't interesting, just annoying. I would also love if Bravo brought on women with actual wealth outside of the show. I think that is what they tried to do with Heather and Shannon. I think the producers just made the mistake of pitting Shannon and Heather against each other rather than having them team up. But having Vicki in her delusions and Tamra in her evilness have to deal with a cast full of women who not only have more wealth, but also more social standing would be absolutely hysterical. It would be nice to see the show get back to its comic roots.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

And Hella Yes.

[bravofan27]

I really wanted to believe in Tamra's baptism and that it "worked" but at the reunion she actually came off as more nasty than before. As I said before, telling the whole world that Simon tainted her daughter and how her daughter doesn't talk to her and all about the court stuff, was not Christian. esp. since at her baptism she made a point to say she forgave Simon, and now she is passive aggressive as ever again. I do believe Tamra was low and went to church. I do believe that experience was positive and she wanted to celebrate it. I do not think it will change the way she lives her life at all. Sadly. Also, her response to Alexis was the same old Tamra, just threw an insult right back. Whoever said that Tamra should have responded kindly or with maturity was correct. Tamra needs you as her PR.

 

I'd be totally fine not seeing any of these ladies again. Although I do like Shannon. Maybe she should come back and bring some different cast members with her. 

Edited October 21, 2015 by bravofan27

[Grneyedldy]

I agree with this. Tamra and Vicki are played out. There is nothing even remotely interesting to me about Tamra. I ff through most of her scenes when they film her alone or with family. While it's sometimes entertaining to watch Vicki's delusional lack of self awareness I just don't want to watch these awful horrid women anymore and I no longer want them rewarded for their disgusting behavior with a fat Bravo paycheck. I would LOOOVE to see greedy-ass Vicki lose that paycheck and really have to work rather than, as you said in your full post, play at work. Meghan is a bore and brings nothing of interest that I can see. What I would like is for the show to go back to the old format where the women had little contact with each other and the show was more of a vigenette style of each of the womens' lives. None of this fake parties, lunches, and trips bull crap designed as an excuse to get them together to fight and backstab. Keep Heather and Shannon and bring on a few more women. I find Heather  pompous and prissy but I think it would be fun to watch her go through the building such a huge house and all the headaches that go with it. Watch her snobby self deal with contractors and such. See if she lets down her guard and loses her shit when things don't go as planned. Shannon is kooky enough that she might be fun to follow as long as the affair was no longer in play.

Yes I agree. I could also see getting rid of Heather too, like Scoobie mentioned. She's so guarded and worried about her reputation, I can't see her ever being real, but her acting makes her a little believable. She's just doing it for Terry and their empire. That said, I think Shannon might be a little lost all by herself and the two of them would need each other to play off of.

[MatildaMoody]

Almost all those Vicki moments you listed, they were mostly from the first few years. And I absolutely agree, they were comic gold. The ski slope scene was contrived. I never believed it for a moment. Vicki has even said that she knows viewers loved the family van scene and Vicki being Vicki somehow thought that was a compliment. She's just played out. She's a pro now and it's all staged. As for Tamra, for me it's like a relationship that is finally over. There's no more fight in me. I don't care anymore about retribution. I just don't want to ever see her again. The End.

Let's face it, this franchise is approaching its expiration date. I think it has about run its course. I would love to see a change or an end.

 

While I didn't think the ski slope was contrived, and when I say that I mean, I don't think that Vicki contrived it. The producers wanted to make sure they got the shot of the women doing snow angels, so yeah. But, Vicki has years of comic gold left in her.

 

Should we forget the bragging about the fur coat or the pissing on Tamra's bed in Mexico? What about Gretchen coming to Vicki for business advice and asking about whether or not Slade works (all the while buying her boyfriend new teeth)? Or even this season - which granted has been ridiculous in how unfunny it was - when she bypassed Mehgan's party to hang out with Shannon, or when she gave the talking head about how Tamra should act like a grandmother while acting like a drunk with her boobs hanging out in the same episode. 

 

Even since the introduction of Brooks, Vicki has never actually changed. She is still the narcissistic ego maniac that doesn't see that she is the cringe inducing embarrassing one. And, when it has come back to her on the reunions (not this year, I think she has completely checked out this year), she has brushed right past it and continued just being Vicki.

 

As for Tamra. Yes, if it comes down to a battle between Tamra getting fired and Tamra getting her comeuppance, I would vote comeuppance, but would be just as fine with her getting fired. 

 

But with Vicki, she is the delusional gift that keeps on giving. Say what you will about Vicki, but she HONESTLY believes she is a good person and can't figure out why no one believes her. Tamra knows she is not a good person but keeps trying to convince us that she is and then she gets pissed when we see through her, and goes for yet another redemption arc.

[Scrambled Fog]

I agree w/ the posters who find Heather guarded and worried about her reputation.

What confounds me about Heather is that yes she is worried about her reputation, but then she backs up and supports Tamra's schemes, lies, and maliciousness.

Why would someone so preoccupied w/ her reputation associate w/ someone like Tamra?

P.S.

I saw a pic of Heather w/ red stuff all over her face doing what looked like her best Sissy Spacek in Carrie impression. Was that the leech juice?

----

Edited October 21, 2015 by Scrambled Fog

[Grneyedldy]

I agree w/ the posters who find Heather guarded and worried about her reputation.

What confounds me about Heather is that yes she is worried about her reputation, but then she backs up and supports Tamra's schemes, lies, and maliciousness.

Why would someone so preoccupied w/ her reputation associate w/ someone like Tamra?

I think it's so she can stay on Tamra's good side and not become a target. Cuz everyone knows Tamra gets down and dirty and doesn't care if it ruins the person in the process.

[MatildaMoody]

I agree w/ the posters who find Heather guarded and worried about her reputation.

What confounds me about Heather is that yes she is worried about her reputation, but then she backs up and supports Tamra's schemes, lies, and maliciousness.

Why would someone so preoccupied w/ her reputation associate w/ someone like Tamra?

-

My vote is Terry. One of the few things that Heather has said that truly resonated with me is when she talked about why she did the show in the first place. I don't care for Heather, but I do believe her when she says that she never wanted to do the show but that Terry gave her the guilt trip treatment until she agreed to join. I honestly think that as much as Heather prides herself on being an actress, Terry is the true famewhore in that family. 

 

I think that Heather accepted that she would never set the world on fire as an actor and was fine with being a stay at home mom with nannies, and a huge house, and rich people problems. I just believe that Terry wanted more. His brother found fame, why shouldn't he? So in my mind, it makes sense that Terry, wanting his wife to succeed on the show would encourage her to befriend both Tamra and Vicki. And, I think that he would encourage her to keep Tamra as a friend and not an enemy. Terry is much more of a reality show veteran than Heather is, so for me, it would make sense that he would know who Heather should keep as TV friends versus who she should drop.

[breezy424]

Oh Vicki and the SAHM front, I honestly *get* what her point was.  I guffawed though when Heather talked about how dreadfully awful it was to be a SAHM...please honey.  You have 4 kids and at least one nanny to help you.  Hardly the average SAHM.

 

I think Vicki was essentially saying don't buy some fucking hugely extravagant item (like a "nice handbag" that Dubrow would like) without consultation.  I'm sure Vicki wasn't talking about sustenance items or small luxury items. But when the money you might spend on a handbag is the down payment on a modest home, maybe you should talk with your spouse?  I'm sure most of us consult our SOs before you purchase something that extravagant.  I'd hope mine would!

Everything is relative.  They're building a home with something like fourteen bathrooms.  The purse is not extravagant by comparison.  Again, as I stated before the crux is that Vicks doesn't see marriage as a partnership.  And maybe that's why she's been divorced twice.

 

I don't Heather was claiming to be a typical SAHM.  Her point was that being home with your kids is work.  Sure, she probably has help but if she's an involved parent, and I think she is, it's work.  To me, Vicks only counts a paycheck as work.  And that's just ignorant and wrong.

[notnowimbusy]

Years ago, the original OC ho-wives went on Oprah and did get lovely makeover/unders.   No more sky tops or pagent hair.  Not one detail of any of it lasted more than the photo shoot, lol.   And since then, no one has really bothered to change up their look either - it's more an attempt to freeze frame everything.  Whorie Laurie's face last night on WWHL has never looked more like concrete and Jena's hair and makeup looked like she was dressed for Halloween.     

 

That said, I think that for the most part [tight reunion dress notwithstanding] Vicks looked better this season than ever - especially her hair in her talking heads this season.   Her face lift from a season or so ago has settled nicely - and her haircolor is better.  

 

Not that I could tell on this episode where she was clearly shiny and sweaty and in completely the wrong clothes.  

After last season Tamra had a pic on IG when she cut her hair and did a softer, smoother blowout.  Looked so much better.  Then - right back to the extensions, and weird curls.  All of her looks date her - and she doesn't realize she looks older, harder and trying too hard to remain young.

[Eater of Worlds]

Vicki has hit the point of no return with plastic surgery.  She has that "done" look that every older woman seems to sport in LA or OC.  If she has any more, she's entering Jocelyn Wildenstein  Cat Lady territory.  

[breezy424]

I don't Vicks has hit the point of no return with plastic surgery.  Actually, I think she looks good.  And I'm no fan of excessive plastic surgery and I certainly don't like Vicks.

 

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20687462,00.html

[KLovestoShop]

When Tamra made the comment "Suck it" when talking about people who didn't believe that she found Jesus, that says to me that she may have found Him, but once He found her, He left.

I found a site that supposedly saw Vicki and Donn's divorce settlement (Radaronline) and it really showed that neither of them were millionaires. It said they had around $172,000 in bank assets and the rest was real estate properties. They supposedly sold one house and one of their timeshares and then each got other houses. So, it sure doesn't sound like they divided millions in real cash. Now I don't know if the settlement included Coto Insurance.

[Former Nun]

I don't Heather was claiming to be a typical SAHM.  Her point was that being home with your kids is work.  Sure, she probably has help but if she's an involved parent, and I think she is, it's work.

 

 

This is my take on it too, Breezy 424.  I think she got a little dramatic to try to get Vicki's attention...which we know is nearly impossible.

[Cosmocrush]

Jeana got story on how the OC Housewives was "created" correct.  It absolutely started with Scott Dunlop, the creator, and his friendship with Jeana & his original idea to highlight Jeana's family & her friends & their families.  Vicks is deluded & dead wrong.  The show did start with her & it's NOT hers -- at all.  Satan Andy could get rid of her at this point & the show could plug along just fine.

Right.  Just the way Jeana left and the show kept going.   But Vicks is still the only original RH standing today.   No one else can say that and if she finds it a point of pride well then like Jeana told Andy last night,  who cares?   That's Vicki.  

 

 

While I didn't think the ski slope was contrived, and when I say that I mean, I don't think that Vicki contrived it. The producers wanted to make sure they got the shot of the women doing snow angels, so yeah. But, Vicki has years of comic gold left in her.

 

Should we forget the bragging about the fur coat or the pissing on Tamra's bed in Mexico? What about Gretchen coming to Vicki for business advice and asking about whether or not Slade works (all the while buying her boyfriend new teeth)? Or even this season - which granted has been ridiculous in how unfunny it was - when she bypassed Mehgan's party to hang out with Shannon, or when she gave the talking head about how Tamra should act like a grandmother while acting like a drunk with her boobs hanging out in the same episode. 

 

I agree that Vicks still has some show in her, despite this season of serious and seriously bummer topics  [cancer, death, more cancer, religion, etc]  I'm betting she will bounce back. 

[Giselle]

Let's face it, this franchise is approaching its expiration date. I think it has about run its course. I would love to see a change or an end.

 

You said it!

 

[bravofan27]

I agree w/ the posters who find Heather guarded and worried about her reputation.

What confounds me about Heather is that yes she is worried about her reputation, but then she backs up and supports Tamra's schemes, lies, and maliciousness.

 

 It may be as simple as Vicki and Tamra are the cool mean girls and Heather just wants to fit in. 

Edited October 21, 2015 by bravofan27

[telemachus2]

Was that a trembling lip I saw when Meaghan was acknowledging Leann's death?  If so, she's more believable to me now as a concerned stepmom/friend of her spouse's ex.  Or did M's wiring system just develope a glitch??  IMO, she looked the best by far at the reunion - newly brown hair was flattering, her eyes popped, dress & shoes were classy (as far as I could tell, only saw her seated.) 

[beesknees]

I could be wrong about his work position. I thought I remember reading he was a manager. Vicki's ex confirmed that they had an affair. The ex also said Vicki had an abortion. Don't know if it's true.

I seem to remember Donn was more than a manager at Home Depot - Executive?

[Grneyedldy]

I seem to remember Donn was more than a manager at Home Depot - Executive?

Yes, thank you, others have also posted he was higher up the corporate chain. Further proof that Donn worked hard for the life he and Vicki had.

[kitten59]

This is awful, but during the scene where they flashed back to Tamra cooing at her baby grandaughter and telling her how pretty she is, when they showed the baby's face, I actually recoiled :-/.