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S06.E02: Wrestling with Adoption


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I really don't like to discuss religion too much because it's too stressful...I come to the forums to relax and have fun. Not to debate.  But since someone asked...I can try to answer this. 

 

Robyn and Jessop were sealed in the AUB temple (we assume).  

Their children are "born in the convenant" so they are sealed  for all eternity to Robyn and Jessop.  

We assume that Robyn and Jessop were unsealed. 

The children are still sealed to both Robyn and Jessop. 

Kody can adopt them on earth but that does not change eternity

i think, If Jessop AGREES, the children can be unsealed to him and then sealed to Robyn and Kody. 

 

Edit: I found the answer to who are children of divorce sealed to

https://www.lds.org/new-era/2015/08/to-the-point/if-my-parents-were-sealed-in-the-temple-and-then-got-divorced-which-one-am-i-sealed-to?lang=eng

 

As for the planets, that seems to be a pervasive Mormon rumor. The LDS church put out a statement on this because the play Book of Mormon references this.  

I personally have never heard or read anything about it being a doctrine  It's not taught in the LDS church as doctrine currently and to my knowledge, it never was.  Can't speak for the AUB.  Or whatever the Browns believe. 

What is taught is that there are three levels of heaven.  

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Robyn won't get preggers until Kody allows her to bring Sol to get a haircut.  omg.

 

Yeah, what was up with that?

 

I thought Robyn wouldn't agree to get pregnant until she got this .... help? she needed?  Somehow she was just too busy and overwhelmed to have another baby.

 

What was she so busy doing?  Combing out the horrible mop they had let that sweet little baby's hair grow into?  Because suddenly now him getting his hair trimmed means Robyn can now have a baby.  Huh?

 

I have to admit, I am not an "every child is so gorgeous" person, but that little kid is freakin' adorable.  And he's even cuter with short hair!  I liked how when Kody was holding him (post-trim) and Robyn asked him if he was mad, Solomon piped up and said "no" like she had been asking him if he minded his hair being cut.  So sweet.  

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Thsi show gets crazier and crazier by the week!

 

I felt that this show got a heavy edit, trying to show the Browns in a more positive light. Didn't work though because they are so crazy that no edit will help them.

 

The whole divorce thing is so odd. The Christmas trees tell us that it was all complete fakery. Total lies, right? The divorce was in september 2014 and they are talking in December 2014?  

 

Christine has stated that she does not want more kids.  Apparently she had a very serious miscarriage and did not want to try again etc. She said she bled out and then passed out in the bathroom etc. 

So the divorce has been final for a year?  What happened with the adoption?  Are they still trying to get that done.  If so, Meri really was mis-guided. 

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THIS!  It's almost like you were there.

 

I was! I was hiding behind the wetbar.

 

Yeah, what was up with that?

I thought Robyn wouldn't agree to get pregnant until she got this .... help? she needed?  Somehow she was just too busy and overwhelmed to have another baby.

What was she so busy doing?  Combing out the horrible mop they had let that sweet little baby's hair grow into?  Because suddenly now him getting his hair trimmed means Robyn can now have a baby.  Huh?

 

Maybe whoever that was that stepped up and snipped Sol's hair also helps Robyn with the grueling task of running MSWC.

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Does anyone else notice that for something that was the main story plot that was somehow woven into every single episode last season, this season is weirdly radio silent on the my sisterwives closet front?

Let me help you with this one.  Sobbyn is so very, very,very busy!  You've got to remember, she arranged for Sol to get a haircut, she got legally married, and is growing another Brown baby!  I don't know why people don't understand.... If you just listen to her talk, she will tell you how very, very busy her life is.  Who has time to run such a busy and successful company with all of those balls in the air?    This scheming thing takes time and energy, don't ya know. 

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Yeah watching that douche driving in his brand new convertible with the males made me sick for sure. While i highly doubt that man could do anything without me hating him more, that scene really pissed me off. HOW does that ass afford all this shit? CARS, HOUSES, TRIPS??

 

Does anyone know what Kody actually does for a living other than dream up fictitious plots to keep their idiotic reality show on the air?  That's a question I've had for a long time.  He gives off the impression that he has a job if so, doing what?  If he has one, it's a big secret from the public.

 

As to the car, not that I want to defend him (perish the thought) but being a car aficionado I remember that one going back at least 2 years now, so it's not new.  In fact, when I saw it on this episode I thought, "Wow, he still has the same car".  It's a Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet convertible, a car which has been phased out (unfortunately) by Nissan.  It's a rare interesting breed with some originality.  I'm sure he loved it because it was different, flashy, and a bit of a mix of things, which is probably how he fancies himself in his narcissistic mind.  Of course knowing that he would see it that way takes away from my appreciation for the car.....

 

That said, I just caught up with this week's board posts - This place is hands down THE best, far better than just watching the show itself.  I agree with virtually EVERYTHING said here, although I'm in the camp that believes that Meri only dreamed up the divorce/adoption plot in response to a bug put in her ear by Kodouche and Sobyn.  Reading their faces it was obvious to me that Meri was not being genuine on camera.  She seemed measured and scripted when she approached them about the divorce idea, which tells me it was not her original idea.  She did it like a martyr, which she had to be to agree to it, but her face didn't look to me like she took ownership of it enough for me to believe it came from her originally.  I suspect that she knew she and Kody weren't going anywhere anyway, she might as well let Robyn get what she wants as a way to keep them indebted to her, even if she has to sacrifice some of her standing in order to get it.  She'd lost most of it already anyway so she might see this martyr thing as a way to recoup some of it.  And do we know what kind of agreement she made with Kodouche about finances?  She may not be as stupid as she looks if she got a good settlement in the divorce.

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On Realitytea a poster described an attempt to adopt stepchildren and said it was next to impossible anyway. And one of the reasons is that the states all get money for collecting child support, the Child Support Enforcement Incentive Payments. It's been a huge source of income for state governments, so of course they don't like it when people adopt their step children and the biological parents stop paying.

If it's true Jessop hasn't been paying, which might explain why he's off the grid in Montana, the state of Montana gets a windfall if they can squeeze it out of him. And here's the rub: in most states, because of the CSEIPs, child support is owed to the state, not the other parent. So Robyn has no business forgiving the debt. It's between him and the state. For all we know the state of Montana has been collecting it from him, and it's been going into an unclaimed property fund because the office that collects it doesn't know where Robyn is. Or there's a clerk in that office who is watching this show thinking "I'll be damned if I'm going to cut that woman a check."

I think there's more to this "we want to do this in Montana not Nevada" angle too. Since when do you change the venue of a suit to make it more convenient for the person you're suing? I bet they already consulted lawyers in Nevada who told them no judge there will terminate the parental rights of a Montana resident. And now the judge in Montana says the kids are Nevada residents so it's out of his jurisdiction, too.

Of course this gives them all the excuse to ditch their $2 million in underwater mortgages and move to Montana. That'll be good for some drama, more sullen teenagers, Meri will have to say goidbye to her wet bar.

 

Bingo! 

 Is anyone else getting an Uncle Rico ("Napoleon Dynamite") vibe from Kody? 

From now on, I shall refer to Kodouch as Uncle Rico.

 

Aurora disturbs me already..shows some issues in her Klingon behaviours.

Aurora's clinginess has rubbed me the wrong way since the beginning. On many levels, it's normal for children of a certain age to be cuddlers but something about Aurora doing it is off. Please don't think that I'm speculating when I say this because I am not, but her body language/clingyiness mirrors that of some of the foster kids I work with. 

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Kody admits he doesn't spend enough time with his older daughters, but he does nothing to change that. Instead, he moves to adopt someone else's kids and make more babies. Gee, I can't at all figure why Maddie left her "religion" and is marrying some older dude at a really young age. No Daddy Issues there, nope. Not at all.

 

Is Mariah still in college? She seems to be around an awful lot for someone who is supposed to be away at school.

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Does anyone know what Kody actually does for a living other than dream up fictitious plots to keep their idiotic reality show on the air?  That's a question I've had for a long time.  He gives off the impression that he has a job if so, doing what?  If he has one, it's a big secret from the public.

 

I thought I read or heard that he and some of the sister wives were involved in one of those multi-level marketing schemes at one point. Maybe they still do that? 

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Mariah is actually a month or so away from 20 years old.  My mom was 19 and Dad 28 when they got married, and 54 years later they're still happily married.

 

The MLM is LIV.  It appears that Meri is the only one still actively doing it, in fact (IMO) that's how she got catfished this year. 

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Kody admits he doesn't spend enough time with his older daughters, but he does nothing to change that. Instead, he moves to adopt someone else's kids and make more babies. Gee, I can't at all figure why Maddie left her "religion" and is marrying some older dude at a really young age. No Daddy Issues there, nope. Not at all.

 

Wait, Maddie is getting married??? I don't follow the family much when the show isn't airing, so I totally missed that. 

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Regarding LIV, is that the stuff they drink? I think I saw a flask of very unappetizing neon green liquid on the counter when they were getting ready to go to the wrestling tournament. I can't believe they could make enough money from that garbage to support the whole family.

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I really don't like to discuss religion too much because it's too stressful...I come to the forums to relax and have fun. Not to debate.  But since someone asked...I can try to answer this. 

 

As for the planets, that seems to be a pervasive Mormon rumor. The LDS church put out a statement on this because the play Book of Mormon references this.

  

I personally have never heard or read anything about it being a doctrine  It's not taught in the LDS church as doctrine currently and to my knowledge, it never was.  Can't speak for the AUB.  Or whatever the Browns believe. What is taught is that there are three levels of heaven.  

 

I'm not much for discussing religion either, usually, but it is the defining premise of this show. Therefore: What Have Mormon Leaders and Authors Said?

 

http://www.mrm.org/spirit-children-and-planets

 

Planets v earths/worlds = the same thing.

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I've seen that page before. And tons like it.  

 

The idea would be that we are exalted in heaven like Heavenly Father.  What did Heavenly Father do?  He created spirit children and created the world etc.  So when the church elders are speaking, they are referring to being like God and doing God-like things.  I wouldn't phrase it that way and most current leaders don't phrase it that way either.

It's not like "oh wow, I'm going to rule a planet" like a comic book hero. :)

 It's a reference to being like Heavenly Father. I've never read any doctrine that "we are getting a planet" like getting a penthouse in Manhattan nor is it ever talked about or taught.  My teens all did four years of seminary and I've gone over all their work...no mention of getting your very own planet. I asked my kids...they had no clue about any planets.   

All I can tell you is that it is not doctrine. But it constantly pops up. It's taken on a life of its own.  

 

This is NOT directed at anyone in particular here but I have found that the Mormons are quickly sterotyped by the planets and the magic underwear. There is a lot more to the LDS than the few things that sound odd and generate tons of goofs.  I'm a convert so I totally get it.   But please know that the LDS are more than magic underwear and ruling planets. Every faith has some issues that sound odd to outsiders but there are often many good things too.  

 

Of course the Browns aren't really helping the Mormon image...hahaha.  They are just making it all worse...

I wonder about that too.  Do they really think they are making people view their beliefs in a positive way? It's like they have no self awareness....

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Anyone else think the whole Sisterwives Closet was mostly a plot device for the show?  The jewelry was ugly, the website was amateurish and apparently crashed often - none of it pointed to a serious business.  

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I just want to serve Kody and Robyn such big bowl of SHUT UP.

 

I especially wanted to hit Robyn when she was trying to work the little kids into hysteria.  "Maddy will no longer be in our church."  Other kids: mostly crickets.  "okay."  "Don't you GET IT?  MADDY WILL NO LONGER BE IN YOUR CHURCH!"  God, the woman just kept repeating it.  

 

How in the world do the Brown kids honestly seem to be just so together and nice?  I like them.  

Here is my theory about why the kids do so well. It may be a crazy one. My theory is that when they were all living together, Christine and Janelle led the family structure in a solid way much like a strong lesbian family. I am not at all suggesting the sexual relationship, just that seemed the nature of the family structure. Christine was the stay-at-home mom extraordinaire. Janelle was the breadwinner who was also motherly to all the children when she was home. 

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I really enjoyed the content with Hunter and the wrestling. It felt more real than a lot of the contrived stuff. The more they show the adult children getting on with life, the better I like it. I hate the whole adoption riff. The kids have a father, leave it alone.

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OK...older person here.  What is 'being catfished?'  I read the above article and it was confusing to say the least.  And who is the person in the photos with Meri in Disneyland?  Can anyone clarify for this confused gal?  Thanks!

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I've seen that page before. And tons like it.  

 

The idea would be that we are exalted in heaven like Heavenly Father.  What did Heavenly Father do?  He created spirit children and created the world etc.  So when the church elders are speaking, they are referring to being like God and doing God-like things.  I wouldn't phrase it that way and most current leaders don't phrase it that way either.

It's not like "oh wow, I'm going to rule a planet" like a comic book hero. :)

 It's a reference to being like Heavenly Father. I've never read any doctrine that "we are getting a planet" like getting a penthouse in Manhattan nor is it ever talked about or taught.  My teens all did four years of seminary and I've gone over all their work...no mention of getting your very own planet. I asked my kids...they had no clue about any planets.   

All I can tell you is that it is not doctrine. But it constantly pops up. It's taken on a life of its own.  

 

This is NOT directed at anyone in particular here but I have found that the Mormons are quickly sterotyped by the planets and the magic underwear. There is a lot more to the LDS than the few things that sound odd and generate tons of goofs.  I'm a convert so I totally get it.   But please know that the LDS are more than magic underwear and ruling planets. Every faith has some issues that sound odd to outsiders but there are often many good things too.  

 

Of course the Browns aren't really helping the Mormon image...hahaha.  They are just making it all worse...

I wonder about that too.  Do they really think they are making people view their beliefs in a positive way? It's like they have no self awareness....

I really admire your attitude, Marigold.  Very classy.

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The Closet is there. I saw some fifty dollar t-shirts designed by Robin and named for the new baby: Audrey Belle.

 

I thought the t-shirt line predated the pregnancy.  Have they announced that they're having a girl and naming her Audrey?  I'm a sucker for SW news and I haven't heard that tidbit!

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The T-shirt line does pre-date the prenancy. Also, Robyn said she made up the name Audrey Belle because it means something like Strong Woman or some other bullshit. But the best part is it is also the name of a very successful porn star who has a website, so be careful googling the name.

 

Catfishing is when someone poses as a desirable man or woman and online dates, "hooking" the other person into a relationship and usually sending money. In Meri's case, the older lesbian woman posed as a younger, rich handsome guy who sent her roses and wooed her on twitter. The woman actually met her during one of the Green Goo get-togethers.

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Yes, Maddie is engaged to the brother of Kody's sister-in-law.

 

Is this seriously true?  Sister-in-law as in wife to one of his brothers?  Didn't see anything about this in the engagement articles I read.  Definitely many complicated relationships in this family!  Sure hope Maddie isn't rushing into something and this is what she really wants.

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There is some reference to Kody's hair in nearly every episode, so they had to devote some time for Kody's favorite kid's haircut. Poor Kody, actually was near tears about Sol growing up, it must have been exhausting getting that emotional for eighteen children's first haircut...not!! It looked like Kody was going to jump Robyn's bones and impregnate her on the spot- wait, she was already pregnant then- as evidenced by the straining buttons of the shirt she had wrapped around her protruding belly. On a serious note- it disgusted me when they asked Robyn's kids on camera and in front of Kody and family, if they wanted to be adopted. Robyn should have spoken to them privately, to allow some dialog about what it means to be adopted, how their bio Dad fits in to the equation, etc. The whole thing seems to be more about Robyn's agenda against her ex husband, not what is truly best for the children. Let's play five degrees of cold sores- Robyn almost always has a big canker in her lip, she kisses Kody, Kody kisses Meri, and so on.... Now I stare at all of their mouths to see who will be next to have that cold sore. LOL!

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Here is my theory about why the kids do so well. It may be a crazy one. My theory is that when they were all living together, Christine and Janelle led the family structure in a solid way much like a strong lesbian family. I am not at all suggesting the sexual relationship, just that seemed the nature of the family structure. Christine was the stay-at-home mom extraordinaire. Janelle was the breadwinner who was also motherly to all the children when she was home.

 

I don't think that sounds crazy at all. Christine and Janelle are my two favorite wives and I think their personalities would make a nice parenting combo. Christine is the nurturing, crafty one, who thinks up fun things for the kids to do and is up making pancakes in the morning. Jenelle is the more stern one who keeps them in line, the wise one who helps with their homework and instills important life lessons (it's okay, the toaster won't kill you). I think you are probably right that they did the bulk of the parenting and had a good balance going there. 

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Is this seriously true?  Sister-in-law as in wife to one of his brothers?  Didn't see anything about this in the engagement articles I read.  Definitely many complicated relationships in this family!  Sure hope Maddie isn't rushing into something and this is what she really wants.

Yes, I'm pretty sure it's true. Caleb, the fiance of Maddie, is the brother of Erica, the wife of the late Curtis Brown (brother of Kody). 

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There is some reference to Kody's hair in nearly every episode, so they had to devote some time for Kody's favorite kid's haircut. Poor Kody, actually was near tears about Sol growing up, it must have been exhausting getting that emotional for eighteen children's first haircut...not!! It looked like Kody was going to jump Robyn's bones and impregnate her on the spot- wait, she was already pregnant then- as evidenced by the straining buttons of the shirt she had wrapped around her protruding belly. On a serious note- it disgusted me when they asked Robyn's kids on camera and in front of Kody and family, if they wanted to be adopted. Robyn should have spoken to them privately, to allow some dialog about what it means to be adopted, how their bio Dad fits in to the equation, etc. The whole thing seems to be more about Robyn's agenda against her ex husband, not what is truly best for the children. Let's play five degrees of cold sores- Robyn almost always has a big canker in her lip, she kisses Kody, Kody kisses Meri, and so on.... Now I stare at all of their mouths to see who will be next to have that cold sore. LOL!

Sisterhood of the Traveling Cold Sore. Good times!

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Yes, I'm pretty sure it's true. Caleb, the fiance of Maddie, is the brother of Erica, the wife of the late Curtis Brown (brother of Kody).

 

Thanks for the info purpleflowers. I had just figured it was someone she had met at college.

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Wow, if there's any truth to that "Catfish" story it certainly lends credence to the idea that the divorce didn't happen for the adoption reasons they insisted upon on the show, but because of a true falling out, likely precipitated by Robyn's wanting more status and legal rights.  Meri certainly has been looking emotionally checked out of her relationship with Kody and has been since last season, so she may really be hanging in there to keep up appearances for the show.  I trust my gut that she was bad acting when she went to Kody and Robyn with the divorce idea - It totally wasn't her idea and she was just acting that way to save face for the show.  Otherwise, if the truth came out it would look even worse for her.  I don't know whether to feel sorry for her or feel that she got what she deserves.

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Wow, if there's any truth to that "Catfish" story it certainly lends credence to the idea that the divorce didn't happen for the adoption reasons they insisted upon on the show, but because of a true falling out, likely precipitated by Robyn's wanting more status and legal rights.  Meri certainly has been looking emotionally checked out of her relationship with Kody and has been since last season, so she may really be hanging in there to keep up appearances for the show.  I trust my gut that she was bad acting when she went to Kody and Robyn with the divorce idea - It totally wasn't her idea and she was just acting that way to save face for the show.  Otherwise, if the truth came out it would look even worse for her.  I don't know whether to feel sorry for her or feel that she got what she deserves.

I saw the FB post that batman/scary-ass woman/whatever has released pictures of Meri that Meri sent "him", voicemails that she left "him", letters she wrote to "him", etc, on "his" blog.  I think you may be right that someone -- probably ROBYN, if JYD is somehow involved -- found out and they forced Meri to get the divorce.  Maybe then tried to come up with a plot that would explain the divorce and make Meri look good.  (?)  

 

It REALLY makes me wonder if ROBYN and KENDRA cooked up this plot to dethrone Meri.  Someone on FB commented about some of the voicemails involving Kendra... so...  I don't know, though, I didn't listen to them.   

 

More than likely it's just the dumbass Browns and TLC coming up with another dramatic divorce-type ratings grab.  They are desperate and pathetic enough to do something this obvious, get all the viewers and "fans" in an uproar over their lamebrained schemes.  They must think that they have the Ratings Trifecta: marriage, divorce and baby.  

 

*YAWN*   

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It REALLY makes me wonder if ROBYN and KENDRA cooked up this plot to dethrone Meri.

 

I think you give Sobyn way too much credit.I don't think she's that smart or has those kinds of contacts. 

 

Now i wouldn't put it past someone at TLC to arrange something.  They have gotten increasingly sleazy over the years.

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I think you give Sobyn way too much credit.I don't think she's that smart or has those kinds of contacts. 

 

Now i wouldn't put it past someone at TLC to arrange something.  They have gotten increasingly sleazy over the years.

 

Whether it was truly Sobyn or TLC (or Sobyn with TLC's help), I like the idea of entrapment - It really makes sense out of the way Meri has been acting - Her facial expressions and body language said she was going through the motions even though she claimed she wanted the divorce because of the adoption, etc.  She almost looks semi-guilty like she knows she deserves it in one way or another or like she doesn't have much of a choice. Having something on her gave Robyn the ammunition and motivation she needed to push her into the divorce without much of a fight.  Despicable, but I don't put it past TLC to engineer it.

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I can see Meri going through the divorce at the time because she thought she had a new boyfriend and she was over Kody and Robyn being the new couple. The filming we are seeing happened back around Christmas up until the summer, so Meri may have trying to hide her new relationship status in a very bad way. The catfishing didn't implode until recently. We may not get to see Meri's real reaction to being duped by Jackie the Catfisher unless they film another season. TLC may or may not have the balls to exploit Meri that way.

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I don't even like Meri but catfishing her was a shitty thing to do. She's been clawing for crumbs of affection from a self-centered idiot for so long...of course she would easily fall for someone who is extending some attention and kindness.

I realize they've got squat for content for this crapfest, but detailing Meri's catfishing would be flat-out cruel.

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I'd be curious which happened first Robyn pushing for the divorce or Meri gets a boyfriend. Was it before or after?

Did she hope Kody would be jealous? Was Kody jealous? One of his women might leave for another man. If it

was before I probably should feel bad but I really don't. I've been hoping one or all of the first three wives would

realize there's other fish in the sea.

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I'd be curious which happened first Robyn pushing for the divorce or Meri gets a boyfriend. Was it before or after?

Did she hope Kody would be jealous? Was Kody jealous? One of his women might leave for another man. If it

was before I probably should feel bad but I really don't. I've been hoping one or all of the first three wives would

realize there's other fish in the sea.

 

Yes, too bad Meri's fish was a "Catfish", LOL.  Not that I would wish that upon her at all, though.  I wonder about the timeline too because it would make a difference.  Did Meri get caught with the Catfish and then get pushed into divorce by Robyn or did Robyn push Meri into divorce first, then Meri opened up to other options?  I wish we could find out.  Either way, though, I can't say I'd blame her for wanting out.  She may actually be the only woman in this sorry marriage with enough backbone to go her own way - Although I'm sure that either way the TLC $$$ keeps her "keeping up appearances" for the show.  I doubt they would make an issue of the catfish thing on the show if not to spare Meri, to spare the image of the family.  If it were only about a platonic interest maybe they would discuss it but it was obviously more.  The rest of them are too invested in keeping up the false image of how they are one one big happy family to let that sordid cat out of the bag.  It would defeat their purpose of convincing the public of how "wonderful" polygamy is and how they're just like everybody else, blah, blah, blah .

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Good point about the timeline, it looks like the "affair" happened after the divorce.  Maybe the newlyweds couldn't hide their glee at being legally married, maybe Robyn had SO much "extra time" trying to get pregnant, maybe Kody continued to not give a shit about her feelings after she divorced him and it all came into focus for Meri.  

 

I don't care if she reached out to someone else for human contact, that's on her.  I can't really blame her.  Maybe something someone said on one of these blogs made her realize a few things.  

 

I hope she does leave.  But first, I hope she admits to everything and then exposes the HELL out of those idiots.  

 

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