S10.E15: Fire Signs

[Duke2801]

I've watched the Beverly Hills, Atlanta, and NYC HW franchises and dropped all of them in the middle of their most recent seasons because they got so annoying, stupid, and boring. Only hung on to OC for old time's sake, I guess, and I do love the Vick-ster. She's like an old pal at this point. Thought we were to see more of Jeanna this season also, and I like Shannon, although I had no idea her season would be such a downer. I sort of hope OC will end after this season because there's so little to enjoy here. Production and cast have ruined these shows with stupid drama and bitchy, petty fights. Bottom of the barrel isn't entertaining.

 

I mean, whose to say that they won't though? Wasn't there somebody on here or on the old boards who went to CUT Fitness to spy on/harass Tamra? 

 

None of us are actually in David Beador's life nor will any of us be confronting him with any information found.

 

I think the OC is soooo much more fake - and the cast members far more stupid - than its NYC and BH counterparts.  But vive la difference!

[scenicbyway]

I think Meghan was trying to control something in her life because everything else was spinning out of control-- (the stepdaughter, the first ex-wife, never seeing her newlywed husband), she doesn't get any respect from any of those situations so she was looking for a place that could be a "project" for her, the thing is, neither Brooks or Vicki wanted her help.  Vicki didn't want anything to do with her because she's threatened by her youth, why would Brooks want the help of a stranger with no medical background?  I do think that Meghan stepped way over the line investigating the doctor and Brooks' past.  It was clear from Vicki that she wanted Meghan to stay far away from them, so Meghan takes that on as a challenge to uncover the "truth" instead?  I think Meg must've been egged on by the producers.

 

It's odd to me that the women take the "psychic's" words to heart so much.  I can see not believing Brooks because he's Brooks and it's odd that he'd stop treatment when there's all these options open to him.  But they keep coming back to the psychic, someone they don't even know.

[Lyra Angelica]

You mean like Tamra did with Slade's ex? Calling her to get info about the owed CS to help bolster her/Vicki's personal vendetta against Gretchen/Slade? Or Tamra contacting Gretchen's ex BF?  And how BOTH Tamra and Vicki used that info against G/S on camera on the show and at the reunion? Sorry, I am NOT sorry that Vicki is getting a taste of her own medicine. If Brooks has cancer, then Vicki should have respected HIS wishes and kept it OFF camera, NOT use it as her main storyline this season. Who does that to someone they profess to love? Oh Right, Vicki does.

 

This does not mean I condone what Meghan did, I think she has gone way too far BUT I think Meghan studied the show and saw that this is exactly what Tamra and/or Vicki would have done....so she did it. I have no sympathy for either Vicki OR Tamra and now include Meghan in that same category, ALL 3 need to go IMO.

 

I am not going to rehash things and get into the past about who has done what to whom because that really isn't the issue and it's deflecting what Meghan did to Brooks.  I already said that just because some did something to someone else, it doesn't make it right if someone now does it too.  I'm not keeping score.

 

And by the way, I was responding to the poster who said what Meghan did was not different from people on this message board digging around to find out who David Beador's mistress was.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Lyra Angelica

[AnnA]

All true but (and again, please correct me if I'm wrong--wouldn't be the first time) it seems to me that the current and recent seasons of the various HW franchises all going heavy on the scripted, fake drama and cat fights which seem--reading the sites like this one--not to be working all that well. This season in particular seems rather desperate. People seem bored or annoyed by the BS. I also was under the impression that ratings are down across the HW board.

 

I don't see how bringing more of the same or ramping up the garbage is helpful in the long run. I know there's supposedly no such thing as bad press, but I have my doubts about that.

 

 

I've watched the Beverly Hills, Atlanta, and NYC HW franchises and dropped all of them in the middle of their most recent seasons because they got so annoying, stupid, and boring. Only hung on to OC for old time's sake, I guess, and I do love the Vick-ster. She's like an old pal at this point. Thought we were to see more of Jeanna this season also, and I like Shannon, although I had no idea her season would be such a downer. I sort of hope OC will end after this season because there's so little to enjoy here. Production and cast have ruined these shows with stupid drama and bitchy, petty fights. Bottom of the barrel isn't entertaining.

 

The only reason I'm even watching the OC this season is because I enjoyed discussing the NY season here on PTV.  I gave up all the HW franchises a while back and came back last year just to see Teresa go to jail.  I found my way back to NY (which was always my favorite) because of Bethenny's return.  If either of those two things had not happened, I probably wouldn't even be here.

 

I'm not enjoying the OC at all.  I saw a clip with Vicki on TV yesterday.  I don't know what it was from but she was complaining about Meghan (of course) and said that they made a mistake in casting because Meghan is too young and very close to her own daughter's age.   The first thing that popped into my head was that Vicki has been a HW way too long and thinks she knows what's best for the show.    I don't see the franchises going for more than another year or two.  If Bravo wants to continue with the HWs, they'll have to make some major changes.  It's all way too fake now.

 

ETA:  That said, I'm really looking forward to watching some good shows when the new fall season on the major networks starts.

Edited September 16, 2015 by AnnA

[PhilMarlowe2]

I finally watched the episode in full and the dumbest person to me was, once again, Ms. Heather DuBrow. "I've know Alfredo for years!" Yes, Heather we get it:

 

You're down with the little people.

You have friends from all walks of life.

You're so down to earth.

You don't see class or status.

You call "Alfredo" by name. Every. Chance. You. Get.

How is it possible for someone to be so rich and so grounded?

Wow, Heather, you truly do it all.

 

She has toned her shit down this season, but I still see the same old Heather in everything she does. I think that, underneath all that steely composure, she is truly insecure.

[zenme]

Meghan has too much gotdam time on her hands if she's going to be calling up doctors' offices and pretending to have cancer in order to extract information.  The girls needs to get that medical supplies sales rep job back.  

[PhilMarlowe2]

And don't even get me started that Meghan had a glass of "chard" while Heather had "champs!"

 

UGH.

[zoeysmom]

You mean like Tamra did with Slade's ex? Calling her to get info about the owed CS to help bolster her/Vicki's personal vendetta against Gretchen/Slade? Or Tamra contacting Gretchen's ex BF?  And how BOTH Tamra and Vicki used that info against G/S on camera on the show and at the reunion? Sorry, I am NOT sorry that Vicki is getting a taste of her own medicine. If Brooks has cancer, then Vicki should have respected HIS wishes and kept it OFF camera, NOT use it as her main storyline this season. Who does that to someone they profess to love? Oh Right, Vicki does.

 

This does not mean I condone what Meghan did, I think she has gone way too far BUT I think Meghan studied the show and saw that this is exactly what Tamra and/or Vicki would have done....so she did it. I have no sympathy for either Vicki OR Tamra and now include Meghan in that same category, ALL 3 need to go IMO.

Forget the two wrongs don't make a wrong analogy.  Have you noticed the constant-TAMRA.  Tamra called the baby mama, Tamra brought the photographs of Gretchen and Jay.  Tamra brought up Vicki hooking up with a guy and asking her to swear on an unborn grandchild the year she befriended Gretchen.  Tamra is the one who went after both Lizzie last year over her toddler hitting her and Alexis for her toddlers falling in the pool and saying what bad parents they are.  Vicki was pretty appalled both times.  Tamra brought up the conversation in Tahiti.  Tamra brought up the women leaving to go join Vicki and Shannon at Meghan's party.  Tamra brought up the Brooks and Jim conversation to Meghan - not Vicki.  I haven't really seen Vicki investigate- I have seen her blame others (Jeana) for gossip being spread.  I will say Slade's child support and Vicki ending up with a deadbeat dad was poetic justice but they addressed it and apparently Brooks' support obligations are current. 

 

To me the best was when Vicki was harsh with Jeana about not divorcing Matt and it turned out she and Donn had an awful marriage the entire time.  VIcki did the same with Jeana kids with Michael and especially, Briana having far exceeded any level of disrespect and bad behavior Shane Keough showed his mom as a teenager.  Kara got the message pretty quick and has been nice to her mom since going to college.

 

I do not understand the keep the cancer off TV comments.  Vicki and Brooks as a couple had to make a decision affecting Vicki's future as a reality TV star.  Apparently, Brooks agreed knowing he had cancer.  There is just no way I believe Vicki and/or Brooks signed on for this shit storm surrounding Brooks diagnosis and treatment.  Nor do I think Vicki ever wanted it as a main storyline.  I think Vicki wants her main storyline to be about her and her businesses-just like Dubrows.  

 

I think Meghan should be compared to the Heather or Shannon as she came in with plenty of financial security.  I am curious why she chose the course she did.  Since they don't negotiate for the villain role it makes me wonder if Meghan has a bigger ego than any of the previous RHOC.

 

I don't think any of the three of them will be going anywhere because last night just knocked out just a smidge under 2 million viewers.  I hate to say it but Brooks cancer diagnosis seems to be the biggest ratings grabbers this year and Vicki's mom's death.  Vicki has no more parents to lose, Brooks is gone and Briana is in Oklahoma for another year so Vicki is very short on storylines.  I see them finding another sports star wife.  I think the reason they did not use Jeana more is Jeana won't do the backstab or do the mean stuff-I do think she would have been a better mentor to Meghan.  Tamra knows her storyline is running out as well.  Being the one that carries tales back and forth is getting old.  

And don't even get me started that Meghan had a glass of "chard" while Heather had "champs!"

 

UGH.

Thank you Phil-we in Napa Valley approve of your sentiments.

[Muffyn]

Yeah, but it appears the family did not get the other three (!) baby daddies to Man Up, so I guess Ryan figures he can skip out at any time like they (apparently) did. 

 

I'm just praying we won't be subjected to a very special Ryan Gets Married episode of RHoOC. GAG.

A Rapey Ryan gets married special - don't even put this thought out there.  There are not enough anti-emetics in the world for us to get through it.  We would be swimming in pools of vomit by the end.  

[zoeysmom]

First Look is 8:40 Saturday.

Heather's tree window is so tacky. What next, those "Live, Laugh, Love" decals on the wall? Mirrored walls?

What do you expect from a woman who thinks "champs" is a word champagne drinkers use.

 

Here is the preview-  http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-10/episode-1016/videos?clip=2904815

 

Why when Shannon asks a question about Brooks and the cancer does Vicki march out of restaurants but when Tamra drops a bombshell in her lap she just seems to take it in.  I think Tamra will throw Shannon under the bus and blame the inquires on her to distance Shannon and Vicki.

[notnowimbusy]

Meghan has embarked on her own global mission for medical truth and justice. Perhaps she can take a break from her OC gig and arrange a series of speeches at the top medical schools and cancer research hospitals to advise the leading experts on even better strategies for developing truly effective immune system and genome-based targeting of tumors. She's so damn sharp and dedicated, she might spur them to finding a cure for Brooks himself, whose health and longevity she is so dedicated to protecting. What a gal.

You're killing me!!!  She's curing cancer one trucker hat at a time.  

[CrinkleCutCat]

Is it really any different then someone or anyone here doing the same at home to find out who the other women was/is with David Beador? (i feel like i must use both names or it's wrong). I just see that she's owning her shit outright. I've commented on FB and gotten replies from Brooks' (?) ex whom he owes c.s. to.

I just accept it as internet usage.

Meghan delved a lot deeper than that and is quite openly discussing how she delved a lot deeper than that. Contacting individuals (Brooks' ex and his doctor) is way beyond internet usage.

So, IMO:

1. Her behaviour is overly intrusive and abhorrent

2. Meghan is quite open about said behaviour. Not embarrassed. Not shy about it. Defiant.

My original post was more about the fact that point number 2 is the bit that surprises me the most.

Edited September 16, 2015 by CrinkleCutCat

[happykitteh]

You know who she reminds me of, that stupid girl from the view who was way too young to be so conservative and opinionated. Something is wrong with her. She has no gauge for appropriateness.

Well to be fair ALL the women who have been on that show (The View) are loudmouth, disgusting harpies, esp, IMO, Joy Behar. THAT one makes Vicki and any of the HWs on any franchise look like the most well mannered, educated women on the planet by comparison. Haven't watched the show in several years so maybe it has better hosts now but back in the Elisabeth days and previous they ALL sucked.

[notnowimbusy]

When Meghan was getting ready for the party and she told Jim "I'm only going to give you limited information," I think she meant "I'm not telling him I actually called Brooks's doctor."

I would have loved to seen the look on Jim's face when he found out that little *nugget.

I would have LOVED to have a camera handy on the ride home with Meghan explaining that she's out for justice, and Jim telling her to STOP IT!   Yeah the "limited information" scene was priceless.   She looked pale when Brooks was escorting them inside - with Jim involved, and she said I didn't want him involved.  Yeah, I bet she didn't want him there.   I think she would have gone nuts on Brooks if Jim hadn't been asked to join in on the conversation.  

 

 

My family passed through Auburn many times on our way to Donner Lake, where my aunt had a condo, or going to Lake Tahoe.  I loved stopping at Ikeda's for a shake...yum, yum :)

Got a pie from Ikeda's on my way up to Tahoe and it was heavenly.   Going to get another one on my way home tomorrow.   YUM.

[WireWrap]

Forget the two wrongs don't make a wrong analogy.  Have you noticed the constant-TAMRA.  Tamra called the baby mama, Tamra brought the photographs of Gretchen and Jay.  Tamra brought up Vicki hooking up with a guy and asking her to swear on an unborn grandchild the year she befriended Gretchen.  Tamra is the one who went after both Lizzie last year over her toddler hitting her and Alexis for her toddlers falling in the pool and saying what bad parents they are.  Vicki was pretty appalled both times.  Tamra brought up the conversation in Tahiti.  Tamra brought up the women leaving to go join Vicki and Shannon at Meghan's party.  Tamra brought up the Brooks and Jim conversation to Meghan - not Vicki.  I haven't really seen Vicki investigate- I have seen her blame others (Jeana) for gossip being spread.  I will say Slade's child support and Vicki ending up with a deadbeat dad was poetic justice but they addressed it and apparently Brooks' support obligations are current. 

 

To me the best was when Vicki was harsh with Jeana about not divorcing Matt and it turned out she and Donn had an awful marriage the entire time.  VIcki did the same with Jeana kids with Michael and especially, Briana having far exceeded any level of disrespect and bad behavior Shane Keough showed his mom as a teenager.  Kara got the message pretty quick and has been nice to her mom since going to college.

 

I do not understand the keep the cancer off TV comments.  Vicki and Brooks as a couple had to make a decision affecting Vicki's future as a reality TV star.  Apparently, Brooks agreed knowing he had cancer.  There is just no way I believe Vicki and/or Brooks signed on for this shit storm surrounding Brooks diagnosis and treatment.  Nor do I think Vicki ever wanted it as a main storyline.  I think Vicki wants her main storyline to be about her and her businesses-just like Dubrows.  

 

I think Meghan should be compared to the Heather or Shannon as she came in with plenty of financial security.  I am curious why she chose the course she did.  Since they don't negotiate for the villain role it makes me wonder if Meghan has a bigger ego than any of the previous RHOC.

 

I don't think any of the three of them will be going anywhere because last night just knocked out just a smidge under 2 million viewers.  I hate to say it but Brooks cancer diagnosis seems to be the biggest ratings grabbers this year and Vicki's mom's death.  Vicki has no more parents to lose, Brooks is gone and Briana is in Oklahoma for another year so Vicki is very short on storylines.  I see them finding another sports star wife.  I think the reason they did not use Jeana more is Jeana won't do the backstab or do the mean stuff-I do think she would have been a better mentor to Meghan.  Tamra knows her storyline is running out as well.  Being the one that carries tales back and forth is getting old.  

Thank you Phil-we in Napa Valley approve of your sentiments.

No, 2 wrongs never make it right BUT that said, I do believe that Meghan took a page directly from both Tamra and Vicki. Vicki used the info Tamra got, I believe that they were both in on it just that Tamra did the actual info gathering/digging, to go after people left and right. Yes, Tamra is the main pot stirrer but IMO, it is Vicki handing her the spoon and keeping the fire under the pot burning on high. They are a team and have been from the get go. The 1 season they had their falling out they were BFFs before filming began the following season and the "constant" divider between them was/is Brooks.

 

According to Vicki herself, she talked Brooks into talking about his cancer on camera because he did NOT want to. Again, she has the most experience with how production twists everything and knows full well that nothing is off limits for them.......so WHY risk it? Why risk what we are now seeing? Without his cancer story, what else did Vicki have going on in her life that the producers haven't already filmed?  NOTHING! That is why she talked him into it IMO. She was desperate for a storyline least she be made a "friend of" instead of a full HW holding her Orange. I am sure that Vicki was well aware of what happened to LuAnn 2 seasons ago, being downgraded, and I don't doubt that is what she feared would happen to her without something big to offer the producers/Bravo.

 

They do NOT have to reveal every little detail about their lives on camera and Brooks did NOT have to reveal his cancer on the show. All they had to do is be a couple and interact with the other HWs/husbands, no need to talk about his cancer, his treatments (hadn't he had already decided to quit Chemo before filming began or close to it). Did Brooks do this to please Vicki and help secure her job, YES he did and look where it got him. Vicki's needs/wants always comes first in her mind, before her kids and before the "love of her life".

[bichonblitz]

I finally watched the episode in full and the dumbest person to me was, once again, Ms. Heather DuBrow. "I've know Alfredo for years!" Yes, Heather we get it:

 

You're down with the little people.

You have friends from all walks of life.

You're so down to earth.

You don't see class or status.

You call "Alfredo" by name. Every. Chance. You. Get.

How is it possible for someone to be so rich and so grounded?

Wow, Heather, you truly do it all.

 

She has toned her shit down this season, but I still see the same old Heather in everything she does. I think that, underneath all that steely composure, she is truly insecure.

She certainly has toned down her shit. She and Terry were so vile last season to Shannon, maybe Shannon can forget but I can't. What was that crap she was spewing about always being supportive of Vicki and Brooks? STFU Heather! I have never seen her support anyone except Megan and Tamra. 

And if she gets those arched eyebrows lifted any more they are going to disappear into her hairline. 

[Ubiquitous]

Oh, so that's what it said. I thought it say Misogynst.

I thought it was "Mama's boy".

Because Tamra tried to get Gretchen so drunk that she would have sex with Ryan (there are serious questions about consent there...) and enlisted Ryan's help. He went into a bathroom with her and there are rumors that production had to step in.

Tamra's goal wasn't to get Gretchen raped by her son, it was to get her shit-faced and make a fool of herself, or at least admit something I cannot recall at the time.

[FozzyBear]

Yeah, but it appears the family did not get the other three (!) baby daddies to Man Up, so I guess Ryan figures he can skip out at any time like they (apparently) did.

I'm just praying we won't be subjected to a very special Ryan Gets Married episode of RHoOC. GAG.

Woh. Tamara Jr has 4 baby daddies? Damn, even Tamara kept it to 2. That chick skeeves me out. She looks so happy to be on TV. I can't even imagine the type of dark soul that would let Ryan impregnate her for the chance to be a minor player on a trashy reality show. *shudder*

[talula]

Well to be fair ALL the women who have been on that show (The View) are loudmouth, disgusting harpies, esp, IMO, Joy Behar. THAT one makes Vicki and any of the HWs on any franchise look like the most well mannered, educated women on the planet by comparison. Haven't watched the show in several years so maybe it has better hosts now but back in the Elisabeth days and previous they ALL sucked.

Joy Behar is back on the view once again.

Edited September 17, 2015 by talula

[happykitteh]

 

Joy Behar is back on the view once again.

 Oh Jeez! I heard that show was tanking and ready to be cancelled so they must REALLY be scraping the bottom of the barrell, haha!

[Former Nun]

According to Vicki herself, she talked Brooks into talking about his cancer on camera because he did NOT want to.

 

 

I'm SO skeptical about Brooks that I'd believe he lied about having cancer to scare Vicki into continue to support him (financially, televisionally, etc-ally).  He didn't expect "the cancer" to be discussed, let alone become a big storyline.

[MatildaMoody]

No, 2 wrongs never make it right BUT that said, I do believe that Meghan took a page directly from both Tamra and Vicki. Vicki used the info Tamra got, I believe that they were both in on it just that Tamra did the actual info gathering/digging, to go after people left and right. Yes, Tamra is the main pot stirrer but IMO, it is Vicki handing her the spoon and keeping the fire under the pot burning on high. They are a team and have been from the get go. The 1 season they had their falling out they were BFFs before filming began the following season and the "constant" divider between them was/is Brooks.

 

According to Vicki herself, she talked Brooks into talking about his cancer on camera because he did NOT want to. Again, she has the most experience with how production twists everything and knows full well that nothing is off limits for them.......so WHY risk it? Why risk what we are now seeing? Without his cancer story, what else did Vicki have going on in her life that the producers haven't already filmed?  NOTHING! That is why she talked him into it IMO. She was desperate for a storyline least she be made a "friend of" instead of a full HW holding her Orange. I am sure that Vicki was well aware of what happened to LuAnn 2 seasons ago, being downgraded, and I don't doubt that is what she feared would happen to her without something big to offer the producers/Bravo.

 

They do NOT have to reveal every little detail about their lives on camera and Brooks did NOT have to reveal his cancer on the show. All they had to do is be a couple and interact with the other HWs/husbands, no need to talk about his cancer, his treatments (hadn't he had already decided to quit Chemo before filming began or close to it). Did Brooks do this to please Vicki and help secure her job, YES he did and look where it got him. Vicki's needs/wants always comes first in her mind, before her kids and before the "love of her life".

 

I think that Tamra took it upon herself to find out what was going on with Gretchen and Slade, and then she told Vicki about what she found. I think that Vicki was all about using the information when it suited her but I don't think that she was pulling any puppet strings with Tamra. I never thought of her as egging Tamra on in her own quest for JUSTICE (tm Mehgan). I just saw her as taking advantage of the fact that Tamra wasn't going against her. So she backed her up to keep it that way.

 

Vicki is a narcissist. I think that Vicki figured that if she had to film with Brooks or lose her orange, at least everyone would lay off their relationship if they knew he had cancer; because, who fucks with a cancer patient? I think that even an old hand at reality shows like Vicki could not have guessed that the entire season would be about questioning whether or not Brooks had cancer. She probably assumed that she would get sympathy and discretion from her cast mates. I will go a step further and say that I think the real reason she wanted Brooks to share his cancer was simply so that her coworkers would just lay off him and let her get back to showing how "fabulous and fun" she is. Vicki is narcissistic enough to believe that everyone would leave Brooks alone because of the cancer and only film scenes of them supporting her through this ordeal. That way, she could have Brooks there when she needed an escort or a prop, but he wouldn't have to be a part of the drama. It would be all about her and how she is dealing with his cancer. I think she would totally be willing to risk any backlash about sharing his cancer because she didn't think there would be any. Because, again, who fucks with a cancer patient?

 

Vicki convincing Brooks to allow any discussion of his cancer on the show also makes sense to me. I mean, Brooks knows he has a meal ticket in Vicki. He is shady, no doubt. But even shady people get cancer, and getting some extra help from Vicki (a place to live, perks on BRAVO's dime) would be enough for him to agree especially if he is sick and has no one else to turn to/con. I personally do believe that Brooks has cancer. That doesn't mean that his mind isn't still on the lookout for the next con.

 

I also think that Brooks broke up with Vicki because he realized that it wasn't worth it either way. If he is lying about cancer, this type of scrutiny isn't worth it. If he does have cancer (again, I think he does because I think he is too good a con to lie about it while appearing on a reality show), this type of scrutiny isn't worth it. I mean the man was a pariah at least a couple of years before his diagnosis. No way he would risk his long con by lying about cancer. He is on a show where every bit of his history (real, inferred, or fabricated) has been brought to the front, and he isn't even a housewife. 

[bravofan27]

I love that Meghan completely stands up to Vicki and enjoys challenging her. They are the two most competitive people, and I feel in a way, they both enjoy the game. I don't mind Ryan that much, he does have a job. His job is to make Tamra feel important, needed, and loved. I think Tamra had him in HS, I mean, they have both had a really tough life. I think she is actually doing well for herself. She is determined and very driven, she does well for such a tough life and almost no education.

 

Heather has way toned it down. When she started, I couldn't stand what a snob she was. She is so much nicer now, I like her a ton better. As far as being producer driven, I don't think so. The problem between Vicki and Brianna is real, not made up for the show. If anything, Vicki tried to downplay the problem with Brooks on camera with Brianna saying she wasn't going to film. I mean, Vicki is really telling Brianna that Brooks has cancer and Brianna is not buying it. That seemed really real to me. If it was producer driven, then Brianna would be in on the whole scheme. 

 

I really don't think Bravo is going to tell Vicki she can't be on the show unless she is on with Brooks and his cancer. That makes no sense. Bravo is just exploiting the organic messy situation they are in. 

[WireWrap]

I think that Tamra took it upon herself to find out what was going on with Gretchen and Slade, and then she told Vicki about what she found. I think that Vicki was all about using the information when it suited her but I don't think that she was pulling any puppet strings with Tamra. I never thought of her as egging Tamra on in her own quest for JUSTICE (tm Mehgan). I just saw her as taking advantage of the fact that Tamra wasn't going against her. So she backed her up to keep it that way.

 

Vicki is a narcissist. I think that Vicki figured that if she had to film with Brooks or lose her orange, at least everyone would lay off their relationship if they knew he had cancer; because, who fucks with a cancer patient? I think that even an old hand at reality shows like Vicki could not have guessed that the entire season would be about questioning whether or not Brooks had cancer. She probably assumed that she would get sympathy and discretion from her cast mates. I will go a step further and say that I think the real reason she wanted Brooks to share his cancer was simply so that her coworkers would just lay off him and let her get back to showing how "fabulous and fun" she is. Vicki is narcissistic enough to believe that everyone would leave Brooks alone because of the cancer and only film scenes of them supporting her through this ordeal. That way, she could have Brooks there when she needed an escort or a prop, but he wouldn't have to be a part of the drama. It would be all about her and how she is dealing with his cancer. I think she would totally be willing to risk any backlash about sharing his cancer because she didn't think there would be any. Because, again, who fucks with a cancer patient?

 

Vicki convincing Brooks to allow any discussion of his cancer on the show also makes sense to me. I mean, Brooks knows he has a meal ticket in Vicki. He is shady, no doubt. But even shady people get cancer, and getting some extra help from Vicki (a place to live, perks on BRAVO's dime) would be enough for him to agree especially if he is sick and has no one else to turn to/con. I personally do believe that Brooks has cancer. That doesn't mean that his mind isn't still on the lookout for the next con.

 

I also think that Brooks broke up with Vicki because he realized that it wasn't worth it either way. If he is lying about cancer, this type of scrutiny isn't worth it. If he does have cancer (again, I think he does because I think he is too good a con to lie about it while appearing on a reality show), this type of scrutiny isn't worth it. I mean the man was a pariah at least a couple of years before his diagnosis. No way he would risk his long con by lying about cancer. He is on a show where every bit of his history (real, inferred, or fabricated) has been brought to the front, and he isn't even a housewife. 

I disagree. I do think Vicki helped egg Tamra on, they were best buds right off the bat, like minds that found each other.

 

As I said, Brooks, according to Vicki, did not want his cancer on the show, period and still knowing how they went at him, she decided to talk him into revealing it on camera. She knows that production would pull out any and all dirt, including past allegations of him "faking" cancer before. That was blogged about/revealed his first season on the show and both Vicki and Brooks (as was production IMO) were aware of it at the time. Vicki also knows that nothing is sacred to production, nothing, and this would be fodder for the show and open to inspection by the cast as well as the producers. 

 

 They didn't need to use his cancer story for her/them unless she is that desperate to keep her Orange, which IMO she was/is. She put her job ahead of the man she "loves" to keep her paycheck coming, which says a lot about her and none of it good. That Brooks finally agreed to it is also on him and he/they had to expect that something like this would happen.

 

I do agree that Meghan has taken it way too far but I also believe she has been told by the producers where to dig up the dirt on him.

 

Brooks and Vicki have broken up a number of times and once or twice it was in connection to the lawsuit SHE is now facing involving her partner in Vicki's Vodka. I also believe that Brooks is refusing to attend the reunion and to keep Vicki from too much heat during the reunion, they broke up. So, I will not be shocked/surprised to read, after they film the reunion and the lawsuit is finally over, that they are back together.

[breezy424]

This was the first year I saw a total reluctance on Brooks part to be included.  I always feel like his scenes are chopped up and designed to show him in the worst possible light.  My how things have changed from Brooks "buying" the fur coat and Brooks arriving at the marina and Vicki joyfully exclaiming, "you bought a boat," and Brooks saying, "no, rented one for the night."  I do think much of Brooks' previous bluster had far more to do with Vicki wanting him to be something he is not, and Brooks wanting to capitalize on Vicki's fame.  Let's face it Donn wasn't going to push too things to hard, with his hobby being a sex club where he has sex in front of others (so many levels of yuck there).  Vicki has been dipping into one thing after another since she joined the show and most of all what she needed was an escort and Brooks was willing to do it.

 

I would be curious how Briana would feel if Bravo said, "no Brooks, no Vicki and no Briana."  I wonder if her feelings would change because without Bravo money Vicki is not going out to Oklahoma 14 times a year.  Always seemed odd that Michael could warm up to him but Briana competes so with Brooks.. 

 

So far no big announcement after Brooks proclamation on Twitter.  They are filming the Reunion either tomorrow or Friday.  Tamra gleefully marked her territory with Vicki proclaiming they talk every day.  Something tells me the OG of the OC is getting a little nervous about next year's casting.  Tamra will just keep adding family members until her life becomes a copy of Full House.

I agree that Brooks seemed more unwilling than he has in past years.  I don't know if it's about Vicki needing an escort or it's about Vicki not being able to deal with being alone.  I'm leaning toward the latter.  I've always felt that there was something about Brooks that isn't genuine.  I don't know all his history but the guy always seemed 'too' smooth.  I know I've stated this before but I find it very interesting that he broke up with her - was it about seeing the actual episodes?  Was it about not wanting to deal with how he's been portrayed, once again, this season with the questions regarding his cancer?  Has he just become tired of it all and dealing with Vicki and the show?  Or does he realize that Vicki is just going to go so far being his cash cow? 

None of us are actually in David Beador's life nor will any of us be confronting him with any information found.

Doesn't that kinda make it even more screwed up?  Searching for information on a guy on a reality show who has no effect on us whatsoever? 

[breezy424]

The thing about what Meghan did is that medical information and conditions are soooo extremely private and personal, and digging into someone's medical condition without permission is such a violation of privacy.  This is on a whole different level from making comments about how Meghan parents Haley, which Meghan brought up in the first place.  And Brooks and Vicki did not ask for Meghan's help, advice or opinion about his condition.  Yes, Vicki does open her big mouth and provide unwanted advice and commentary, as with her comments on Meghan's and Jim's marriage, but that doesn't make what Meghan did right or ok, and it wasn't Brooks who was making the comments about Meghan anyway except for relaying a conversation he had with Jim to Vicki in another private conversation.  Even if Brooks doesn't have cancer, this doesn't give Meghan the right to do what she did.

When did Meg dig into Brook's medical information?  She made a phone call to a doctor who Brooks said is treating him?  She asked if the doctor treats cancer.  That's not digging into his personal medical information.  She contacted an ex of him regarding the ex's statements that Brook's faked cancer.  She shouldn't have done that but I wouldn't call it violating medical information that is private.

 

Vicki's comments regarding Meg's marriage really wasn't more ok either.  I don't recall Meg asking Vicki for advice.

 

Funny though that if Brooks and Jim's conversation was private and Brooks told Vicki, what does that say about Vicki repeating it to Tamra?

[Rainny]

When did Meg dig into Brook's medical information?  She made a phone call to a doctor who Brooks said is treating him?  She asked if the doctor treats cancer.  That's not digging into his personal medical information.  She contacted an ex of him regarding the ex's statements that Brook's faked cancer.  She shouldn't have done that but I wouldn't call it violating medical information that is private.

 

Vicki's comments regarding Meg's marriage really wasn't more ok either.  I don't recall Meg asking Vicki for advice.

 

Funny though that if Brooks and Jim's conversation was private and Brooks told Vicki, what does that say about Vicki repeating it to Tamra?

 

One problem I have with Meghan doing these things is that she was having a fight or was angry at Vicki, but instead of doing her internet scouring on Vicki's past, she went after Brooks. I don't remember Brooks having done anything or saying anything to Meghan. 

Also, yes, Brooks relayed information from a conversation that he had with Jim and Vicki relayed that to Tamra. Couples tell each other things so I can't blame Brooks. You are correct, that was Vicki's fault, so again, why go after Brooks by trying to prove he doesn't have cancer? 

She could have gone after Vicki all she wanted and I wouldn't have a problem with that because that's who she was having the argument with. I wouldn't do things like that when in a argument with someone, but at least it would have been the correct target. 

[breezy424]

One problem I have with Meghan doing these things is that she was having a fight or was angry at Vicki, but instead of doing her internet scouring on Vicki's past, she went after Brooks. I don't remember Brooks having done anything or saying anything to Meghan. 

Also, yes, Brooks relayed information from a conversation that he had with Jim and Vicki relayed that to Tamra. Couples tell each other things so I can't blame Brooks. You are correct, that was Vicki's fault, so again, why go after Brooks by trying to prove he doesn't have cancer? 

She could have gone after Vicki all she wanted and I wouldn't have a problem with that because that's who she was having the argument with. I wouldn't do things like that when in a argument with someone, but at least it would have been the correct target. 

Ya know, I'm not quite sure why she went after Brooks but maybe it was that there were questions off camera about him actually having cancer.  After seeing the last episode, there were probably communications going on between all of them as to whether or not Brooks was being candid.  And maybe if Brooks wasn't being totally truthful, Vicki would probably know.  I'm not saying that's what I 'think' happened but rather that's what was in her mind, as well as Shannon, Tamra and Heather, at the time.

 

In the end, Brooks probably did have a cancer relapse and did go through chemo again but I question what was actually his situation when filming started for a number of reasons that I've already stated. 

 

I also agree that I don't blame Brooks regarding him telling Vicki about his conversation with Jim.  That's all on Vicki.  And Tamra for twisting Vicki's words.  Vicki said challenging which could mean a number of things, especially given what was going on with Haley and his ex having terminal cancer, moving, his traveling, etc.  As soon as Vicki told Tamra, of course Tamra took it to mean marital troubles.  Vicki said that to Tamra to stir the pot and Tamra stirred it further.  And then we have Vicki being mum when Meg asked Brooks about him telling Tamra that their marriage was in trouble.  No word from Vicki admitting that she was the one who said something to Tamra.  Another reason why I can't stand Vicki.  Own up to what 'you' did.

[MatildaMoody]

I disagree. I do think Vicki helped egg Tamra on, they were best buds right off the bat, like minds that found each other.

 

 

 

I don't remember them being best buds off the bat. I remember Vicki being jealous of Tamra, especially after Simon gave Tamra the Rolex for her birthday. They seemed to start off as frenemies to me. But, once they became allies, Vicki definitely backed up what Tamra said - especially when Tamra brought "proof." But, I never saw Vicki pushing Tamra to find this extra information. Tamra was motivated to do that on her own. Vicki's awfulness has always been all about her. She never cared enough about the other women to dig into their pasts. She just loved it when Tamra did it because it suited her purposes. Vicki would just be rude and classless to a new housewife. Tamra would pretend to befriend the new housewife and then start digging dirt on them. Gretchen thought that Tamra was her friend during filming her first season, even after Naked Wasted. It wasn't until her first reunion that she realized that Tamra had said all of the things she said and researched so much of her personal life. Tamra did the same thing to Alexis. Vicki did nothing to prompt Tamra in those directions with either Gretchen or Alexis. She just used what Tamra brought to her when she needed a moment to make it about her. 

 

As rude and classless as Vicki is, she is always rude and classless upfront with the newbies. All of the digging in to people's backgrounds and exes, was Tamra bringing it to Vicki. Any time Vicki threw out something to a person about their past as an attack, it was information that she got from Tamra and took as truth or pretended she believed was truth. Both women are awful, but Tamra is by far the one willing to go the lowest. Vicki is simply more narcissistic and sees no reason to dig into another person's history because either she doesn't want her history delved in, or because they don't register enough in her world to be worth it. 

[Almost 3000]

Yeah, but it appears the family did not get the other three (!) baby daddies to Man Up, so I guess Ryan figures he can skip out at any time like they (apparently) did. 

 

I'm just praying we won't be subjected to a very special Ryan Gets Married episode of RHoOC. GAG.

I sorta assumed this was the reason they moved to the OC. No wedding, Ryan bolts.

[happykitteh]

 

I finally watched the episode in full and the dumbest person to me was, once again, Ms. Heather DuBrow. "I've know Alfredo for years!" Yes, Heather we get it:

 

You're down with the little people.

You have friends from all walks of life.

You're so down to earth.

You don't see class or status.

You call "Alfredo" by name. Every. Chance. You. Get.

How is it possible for someone to be so rich and so grounded?

Wow, Heather, you truly do it all.

 

She has toned her shit down this season, but I still see the same old Heather in everything she does. I think that, underneath all that steely composure, she is truly insecure.

 

This post? Total awesomeness!

 

[Lyra Angelica]

When did Meg dig into Brook's medical information?  She made a phone call to a doctor who Brooks said is treating him?  She asked if the doctor treats cancer.  That's not digging into his personal medical information.  She contacted an ex of him regarding the ex's statements that Brook's faked cancer.  She shouldn't have done that but I wouldn't call it violating medical information that is private.

 

Vicki's comments regarding Meg's marriage really wasn't more ok either.  I don't recall Meg asking Vicki for advice.

 

Funny though that if Brooks and Jim's conversation was private and Brooks told Vicki, what does that say about Vicki repeating it to Tamra?

 

Meghan is trying get information on Brooks' medical treatment (to see if this doctor actually treats cancer) to discredit him, so, yes, that is digging into his medical history.   She has no business calling one of his doctors and she would have never called this particular doctor if he/she weren't treating Brooks.

 

And I never said Vicki's comments about Meghan's marriage was ok.  In fact, I believe I said she was wrong to make those comments, so I'm not sure what your point is about that.

Edited September 17, 2015 by Lyra Angelica

[Lyra Angelica]

Doesn't that kinda make it even more screwed up?  Searching for information on a guy on a reality show who has no effect on us whatsoever? 

 

Why are people searching for information about David's affair and what will they do with this information?  Maybe it's (morbid) curiosity, but I find it hard to believe that the average person on this forum is deliberately looking for information to use against David and broadcast whatever is found to millions of people.  That is unless they are champions of truth, justice and The Cancer, errr I mean The Affair!

 

I'm not sure how Meghan's life has been so impacted by Brooks either--especially to the extent that she finds it necessary to dig up dirt on him to prove his is faking.

[Ubiquitous]

Can you imagine if she had put this much effort into trying to find a way to get Hayley to go to school or do her homework or chores?

I can see Meghan now, calling Hayley's friends and stalking her on FaceBook in search of The Truth and JUSTICE.

[Beden]

 

The thing about what Meghan did is that medical information and conditions are soooo extremely private and personal, and digging into someone's medical condition without permission is such a violation of privacy.

The other part of this, which I haven't seen mentioned, is that what Meghan did was in violation of the HIPPA laws, the privacy laws,  ..what she did was against the law.

 

 

Because Tamra tried to get Gretchen so drunk that she would have sex with Ryan (there are serious questions about consent there...) and enlisted Ryan's help. He went into a bathroom with her and there are rumors that production had to step in.

 

Tamra's goal wasn't to get Gretchen raped by her son, it was to get her shit-faced and make a fool of herself, or at least admit something I cannot recall at the time.

With respect, that doesn't seem to me to much of an improvement. Okay, maybe--maybe--a small one. At best.

 

 

I do agree that Meghan has taken it way too far but I also believe she has been told by the producers where to dig up the dirt on him.

Even if that's true, and it certainly could be, she agreed to do it.

Edited September 17, 2015 by Beden

[Lizzing]

The other part of this, which I haven't seen mentioned, is that what Meghan did was in violation of the HIPPA laws, the privacy laws,  ..what she did was against the law.

 

Meghan isn't Brooks' doctor, HMO, or other health care provider and she didn't disclose any of his personal identifying health information that he hadn't already previously disclosed (i.e., who his doctor/s is/are, that he has cancer, both are details he gave up on camera).  She didn't violate HIPPA in any way.  Good taste and common decency, yes.  HIPPA, no.

[zoeysmom]

Folks it is HIPAA-HEALTH INSURANCE PORTABILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY and it protects patients from health care providers disclosing their medical information.

[JAYJAY1979]

My theory is that when some organic piece of drama occurred (i.e. naked gate on rhoc, table flip on jersey, scary island on ny, drunk allison Dubois and limogate on bh)..the producers thought that it wad thw drama that bought in the ratings thus is trying to recreate all that with all these contrived gatherings and games of telephone.

What producers failed to realize was that it wasn't the drama itself..but how organic it wad thst drew people. Hence why seeing Vicki getting the call about her death on air drew decent ratings this season.

[WireWrap]

The other part of this, which I haven't seen mentioned, is that what Meghan did was in violation of the HIPPA laws, the privacy laws,  ..what she did was against the law.

 

With respect, that doesn't seem to me to much of an improvement. Okay, maybe--maybe--a small one. At best.

 

Even if that's true, and it certainly could be, she agreed to do it.

Meghan didn't do anything "Illegal", she broke no laws.

 

As for her doing what the producers want her to do, they ALL do it because it is their job and they are all desperate to keep it. LOL Meghan is a twit but, IMO, she is no more despicable than Tamra or Vicki, in fact, I think she is the newbie version of both of them. But, YMMV.

[zoeysmom]

I will say this-Meghan claims producers don't ask her to do anything-she does, owns it and fights to the death of it.

 

So in this season of no boundaries, am I the only one who finds it odd that no one outside of Vicki has even mentioned the Beador situation. Not even Tamra in her bizarre support efforts.  I could have easily seen Tamra saying to Heather, Shannon said you violated girl code and I am telling you this because I am supporting Shannon after David's affair and I think she is very nervous about ex-wives.

 

The Beador situation should have been great for hours of gossip on the show.  We didn't even get a I knew all about it last year from anyone.  Not even Tamra.  So I am wondering if the others were uncomfortable being around David?  No one seems to want to talk about it.  So odd from this group of women who have all talked about Brooks for the past six episodes-someone we rarely see.

[Sage47]

Bravo has really sunk to a new low. To have people (us) talking for pages and pages each week about whether Brooks does or does NOT have cancer...think about how sick that is. If Vicki and Bravo (and Brooks) really didn't want this to turn into the season of "Can't-Sir", then they could have EASILY shut it down by episode two. Brooks could have shown medical records to some of the women or their husbands, told them to show up at his chemo appointment, anything. Yes, of course it's sick that he would even have to do those things! but really, that is the only way this all could have been shut down immediately.

 

And believe me, if Brooks were pissed off enough that people were doubting him while he fought for his life, he would have done just that. That's not to say I don't believe he has cancer. I do. He looks more pale and thin and his personality is much dimmed-down this season. He seems tired to me. So if he does indeed have cancer this means that he and Vicki were okay with his cancer being a storyline all in the name of $. That in itself is quite disturbing.

 

As is Bravo's hearty support of this vile storyline and the vile Meghan Edmonds intruding on Brook's business. Satan Andy indeed.

 

By the way, I find it unconscionable that they would do the cancer storyline the very year that Leann Edmonds was battling terminal cancer that she soon died of. Just beyond tacky and insensitive and gross on a million levels. Do they think cancer is just a fun soap-opera storyline? I could practically see Meghan foaming at the mouth with glee that she KNEW someone battling cancer so she would really be able to put her two cents in regarding Brooks' cancer! She was over the moon! I find her, and to some degree all of them really repugnant.

[ebkitty]

I dont believe for a second that Ryan will come back to Auburn. I live in Nor Cal (Lodi..as in Stuck In). I LOVE Auburn, but is a tiny, rustic, kind of Mountain Town, with an adorable historic downtown area.

Cant even imagine Ryan trapped here with her, 3 girls tgat arent his, a new baby and ONLY her family. No one to bail him out or baby him.

If her family is a "Owns the Gun Store" kinda family in a mountain town (compared to OC), Im sure they have expected him to Man Up. Something that is never gonna happen

I believe her father was shot by the police and pretty sure mom is gone too, I might be wrong about her mom, but after four baby daddies, I seriously doubt anyone on her side of the family is making Ryan man up, just hoping he sticks around for the lil girl.

[zoeysmom]

I believe her father was shot by the police and pretty sure mom is gone too, I might be wrong about her mom, but after four baby daddies, I seriously doubt anyone on her side of the family is making Ryan man up, just hoping he sticks around for the lil girl.

Her  mom died of cancer, her father shot a friend and then at some point shot himself.  Although, I like your story better about him being shot by the police.  She has no family so there is just Tamra and Darren as grandparents.  I feel like if Tamra moved Ryan and the baby in, Eddie will be heading for the hills.  The worst thing that happens in Eddie's life is when there is very little time left on the lease-there is nothing keeping Tamra in CUT Fitness.  I have a feeling if Tamra has to make payroll cuts within her family she will be telling Eddie it is time for him to find a job.

[ebkitty]

I do too, lol, see how easy it is to get facts mixed up, think goodness you corrected me. Showing my age this morning! Oops sorry folks!

[Juliegirlj]

Vicki and Brooks are paid well to be on a reality show. They have benefitted from the exposure on the show. They could have chosen to leave for the sake of privacy, but didn't. Brooks has made claims of having other cancers in the past. Any time he has talked about his illness on the show he has seemed uninformed and dishonest. As a nurse, and with what I know of NHL ( the kind of cancer Brooks claims to have), nothing he has said aligns with the standard of care for NHL. Every cancer patient I have known or treated was extremely educated and knowledgeable about their illness and treatment protocols. The physician that Shannon generously arranged for a consultation with Brooks is a leading specialist in NHL, not only in traditional treatment, but also holistic methods as well. It can be very difficult to get an appointment with a physician of this caliber, and I cannot imagine anyone with cancer not taking advantage of the opportunity. What Megan did was bizarre and made her look ridiculous, ultimately not only taking the focus off of Brooks, but causing people to defend him.

[zoeysmom]

I do too, lol, see how easy it is to get facts mixed up, think goodness you corrected me. Showing my age this morning! Oops sorry folks!

Unfortunately we don't do half a good as job of fouling things up as this cast does.  Never seen people who can't even convey the essence of a statement properly like these women and they know they are being filmed.

[RedHawk]

And believe me, if Brooks were pissed off enough that people were doubting him while he fought for his life, he would have done just that. That's not to say I don't believe he has cancer. I do. He looks more pale and thin and his personality is much dimmed-down this season. He seems tired to me. So if he does indeed have cancer this means that he and Vicki were okay with his cancer being a storyline all in the name of $. That in itself is quite disturbing.

I wonder if part of Vicki's push for Brook's to be filmed and for his cancer to be in some way part of their story line was her saying to him that he needed to get an income and help her keep one because she was tired of paying for everything. I haven't kept up much with the tabloid info, but it appears she paid a lot of back child support to keep him out of jail as well as giving him a home, new teeth, etc. I can't figure out if he works or not. Wasn't he in insurance sales as well and that's how he met Vicki? Why didn't he continue in that line? It's all so confusing and murky I can see why he's nicknamed Crooks the Con. 

 

Although, I like your story better about him being shot by the police.  She has no family so there is just Tamra and Darren as grandparents.

 

 

Is Darren Tamra's first ex and Ryan's father? I was wondering what input (financial and otherwise) he might have after Ryan mentioned his dad. And I may be wrong in my comment above that Ryan's girlfriend (I'm too lazy to look up her name) has three other baby daddies, but I think I read that somewhere here. Is it really true? What a mess of a family! 

Edited September 17, 2015 by RedHawk

[Bronzedog]

The fact that Eddie didn't know how many step children Ryan has, and, Tamra was concerned that Eddie wouldn't remember to pick up her kids from school while she was vacationing, I'd say Eddie is not interested in supporting anyone's kids or being a stepfather himself.

[njbchlover]

Her  mom died of cancer, her father shot a friend and then at some point shot himself.  Although, I like your story better about him being shot by the police.  She has no family so there is just Tamra and Darren as grandparents.  I feel like if Tamra moved Ryan and the baby in, Eddie will be heading for the hills.  The worst thing that happens in Eddie's life is when there is very little time left on the lease-there is nothing keeping Tamra in CUT Fitness.  I have a feeling if Tamra has to make payroll cuts within her family she will be telling Eddie it is time for him to find a job.

 

I think that it could be Tamra, Ryan and his new baby looking for a new home.  If I remember correctly, the home Tamra and Eddie are currently living in was his home prior to their relationship.  I remember when Tamra moved in with Eddie, she was complaining about how his design style was too dark and masculine for her tastes, and wanted to change things.  I don't think he was so happy about that, either.

[Snarky McSnarky]

David's mistress, according to the Daily Mail:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3237312/This-Nicole-McMackin-woman-cheated-husband-RHOC-s-Shannon-Beador-sordid-eight-month-affair-befriended-reality-star-probe-info-break-couple.html