S02.E07: Better Late Than Never

[Sage47]

Good point Duke2801. They must have been living together as Kathryn was desperate to leave the plantation. If they really did that reflects even more poorly on Thomas, that he was always going off to events without Kathryn-I don't care how long it took her to get ready. Remember the dinner where he announced his run for Senate? He showed up there after her as well. Odd.

 

It just shows how shaky their relationship was at that time. Poor Kensie. Her parents weren't even together a few months before they were completely derailed.

[cooksdelight]

I believe Thomas and K might be living apart now, but not when filming was taking place.  Otherwise, why would she have been pitching such a fit for them to move from the island to downtown?

 

As for the eating out of boxes... it looks like they just got takeout?  I mean, we have plenty of food here but still order out at least once/week.

Check the Spoilers and Speculation thread if you want to delve into this more. :)

Remember the dinner where he announced his run for Senate? He showed up there after her as well. Odd.

As well as the housewarming party at Shep & Whitney's. He came solo, with the same driver in the same black Lincoln Town Car.

[Chicklet]

Which person was so delusional to say that they would "fall back in love after the election", Trav or Kathryn? They were never in love, they hooked up and had an oops. Well Kensie was an on purpose for Kathryn and Trav couldn't be bothered to use protection so yea she was an on purpose for both parties. Dumbasses.

Whitney is as terrible a producer as most other things he does. He paints himself as juvenile and clueless, I really don't get it. If I was producing this I'd make myself look great.

Oh god drunk Landon who is pretending after the fact that she was sober, people who argue at a public event, dogs at a ball, Whitney in general. This is all kinds of sad but I still love this show.

[hoosier80]

 

Because of all of their Bravo's lies, (this is supposed to be reality) I only filmed 2 months on season 2 even though there were 3 months of filming. I've let a lot slide. Going forward I hereby refuse to do anymore interviews or appear again on the Andy Cohen show."

 

How would he know how Bravo was editing as they were filming?  If they filmed every time he went home and Kathryn wasn't ready, then she could have been getting the "bad edit".  Now, he's just pissed on how he came across. I guess he just did this show so voters would fall in love with him and vote for him, forgetting all about that pesky conviction and time served.  He really thinks he can talk or schmooze his way out of anything.  And the whole, we can fall in love again after the election.  Give me a break.  I also find him annoying in saying that it's Kathryn's job to take care of the baby.  I get it that you're busy with your campaign to nowhere, but what if Kathryn had a career or was in school - where she was just as busy as you outside of the home?  I bet he'd still think it was her "job" to be primary caregiver for the baby.  Kathryn had a totally different idea of how this would play out, certainly not with her being home 24/7.  I think she's so moody because she knows she made a terrible move in hooking up with Thomas, as much as she loves her daughter.

 

As a side note, I thought she looked very nice at that stupid ball.  A huge improvement how she looked at other events.

Edited April 28, 2015 by hoosier80

[featherhead]

So Craig is dismissed from his job at the law firm for failing to appear at the office during regular work hours. And the situs of his dismissal is at his boss's house. Over a glass of wine. In the middle of a workday. Way to keep it consistent.

I'm dying over here! So Craig works for "Don't scream, call Akim"??? His cheesy commercials are on all the time by me.

[cooksdelight]

This guy?

ETA: HA! I looked back and that is exactly the law firm he drives up in front of when going to work.

[zenme]

He was also on that show Eye for an Eye.

[OnceSane]

Kathryn looked lovely at the ball. But she needs to suck it up and put on a happy face in public if she wants to be a politician's wife.

Pat's party food sounded yummy, though I wouldn't have touched the coconut cake.

Shut up, Landon. That goes double for you, Whitney.

[featherhead]

This guy?

ETA: HA! I looked back and that is exactly the law firm he drives up in front of when going to work.

Yep that's him about 40 lbs ago!

[RedHawk]

Haha! So Craig got fired by the Better Call Saul of Charleston. Good luck with that modeling career, Mr. Lay-puls.

[yourmomiseasy]

 Eating out of boxes in their kitchen. If you're living there full-time, you've got food handy.

 

As someone trying to decide between pickles, eating jelly straight from the jar, a can of soup that expired in 2011, or the mysteries from the bottom of my freezer,  I can tell you that this is not always the case.  I would imagine they are pretty busy with the political campaign and new baby and might not always feel like making every meal at home.

[cooksdelight]

But.....that's what Thomas "expects" her to do, have a hot meal ready at all times.

I'm being sarcastic, but it's how he comes across so the take-out food surprised me.

[yourmomiseasy]

Every once in a while a man likes to treat his babymama right :)

[For Cereals]

Patricia needs to stop wearing her hair pulled back. It does not give the illusion of younger, more taught skin, it makes her look like Gary Oldman as old Dracula.

I feel better that Cameran brought at least one token person of color....I too just get a little more than uncomfortable when they start talking about the heyday of the South and their history...skipping over the not so pleasant parts, or just going about their lives in the lap of luxury as it's always been, oblivious to the struggles of others. But what a nice ball! Must suppress just like all those Derbys past. Mint juleps anyone?

[iloveit]

 

Eating out of boxes in their kitchen. If you're living there full-time, you've got food handy.

 

Not necessarily - does Kathryn really seem like the type to do grocery shopping on a regular basis?  I loved that they were eating ribs. LOL!!!

 

The whole Kathryn is being a bad partner to Thomas while he is campaigning is confusing because they don’t really show any evidence to that on the show (with I guess the exception of Kathryn’s ill-advised outfit at the BBQ).  It is certainly believable that she isn’t being supportive but we don’t really see that so it is hard to sympathize with Thomas.  He just comes off as a jerk.

 

Amy does not seem to be a good campaign manager.  If she wanted to pacify Kathryn, she should give her some low-level, non-visible task to take care of so that Kathryn feels involved and connected but is actually staying out of their way.

 

DAMN THAT’S COLD if that is how Craig really got fired.  This is reality tv so I’ll assume that is not how things really went down but if it was a total set-up, Craig’s acting was pretty good because he seemed embarrassed and upset.

 

Wtf is up with Jennifer?  Kathryn is friends with her now?  Is Kathryn really that desperate for friends?  I totally think Jennifer and TRav hooked up while Kathryn was pregnant. More importantly - someone needs to help her with clothes and make up. 

 

Loved Cameran’s “I’m not a notable person.”

 

I think it’s nice that Landon kind of defends and relates to Kathryn.  Her drunken convo with Kathryn and Thomas was sooo awkward and great tv!

 

Shep’s date Jackie is gorgeous and seems fun!!

[imjagain]

I don't know if he's making this up to save face (what with all the various reports that they are apart, they fight when they are together, etc), so take it with a grain of salt. From Thomas' Facebook page regarding last night's episode.

"The story line about me making Kathryn wait to take her to the Founders Ball in tonight's episode is a complete lie. I went to pick her up quite punctually and she was nowhere near ready. The second time I went to pick her up she still was not ready and I waited at least 30 minutes. Then her makeup artist wanted to take pictures. Kathryn and I both said we were late. At this, the hairdresser, collapsed on the floor whining that she couldn't take pics of her hard work. In all fairness, she did do a good job.

Because of all of their Bravo's lies, (this is supposed to be reality) I only filmed 2 months on season 2 even though there were 3 months of filming. I've let a lot slide. Going forward I hereby refuse to do anymore interviews or appear again on the Andy Cohen show."

So am I to assume Thomas will not be back if there is another season?

 

Didn't Thomas go off on Andy during WWHL? I seem to remember he was pissed and very drunk but can't  remember why?

 

I like Cooper he is good for a reality show, I just wish he had not insisted that everyone come with someone of the opposite sex.  So if 2 men are married would they really not be able to just attend together? 

 

 

Landon voice OUCH!

 

Katherine is miserable all the time, yes Thomas is horrible but lord have mercy girl.  She walks in the room and her gloomy attitude radiates off her. I would avoid her, just to save my good time.

Edited April 29, 2015 by imjagain

[Teddybear]

At the men's dinner, did anyone catch Shep hit Craig under the table after Craig's comment "yeah they're going to have a f** blast" as if to say SHUT UP you uncouth frat boy! 

 

And did Craig play paintball before the dinner?  At first I thought it was rain, but no, it was part of the suit.   

[zenme]

At the men's dinner, did anyone catch Shep hit Craig under the table after Craig's comment "yeah they're going to have a f** blast" as if to say SHUT UP you uncouth frat boy!

 

Yeah. Not only did he say the "F" word but he ignored and cut off Pat.  Rude.  Made even more rude as he followed that statement by gulping down wine.  He just looked so, as you say, as an uncouth frat boy.

[psychoticstate]

Yeah. Not only did he say the "F" word but he ignored and cut off Pat.  Rude.  Made even more rude as he followed that statement by gulping down wine.  He just looked so, as you say, as an uncouth frat boy.

Yep, I noticed that too.  Yet another reason to love Shep - - at least his momma raised him right.  She is super cute, BTW.

 

I'm not surprised Craig was fired, I'm surprised it took this long.  I work in the legal field and his attendance (or lack thereof) as well as his partying lifestyle would never be tolerated.  I doubt he did "clerical" work.  He might have done law clerk work - - legal research, drafting letters and motions.  Things like that.  You can do that from home but you had still better be in the office more than at home.

 

Shep looks like the most awesome date ever.  He just has fun no matter what.  I flove him.  He and Jackie were cute together.

 

Kathryn's dress was majorly gorg but I wish she would realize that she can wear her hair down for formal events too.  See Cameran. 

 

Kathryn and Thomas at the ball were uncomfortable to watch.  He was clearly intoxicated which is apparently okay to showcase to your voters (while it's not okay to showcase your baby's momma.)  Between that, their icy cold body language and Thomas' propensity to act like a tween girl on Facebook and Twitter, they are doomed. 

 

Jennifer reminds me of Jennifer Tilly, although not as talented. 

 

Drunk Landon had all the cats in the neighborhood pacing my windows.  Please stop drinking and talking. 

 

Pat's party seemed fabulous.

 

Whitney seems pathetic.

[zenme]

Drunk Landon had all the cats in the neighborhood pacing my windows.  Please stop drinking and talking

 

Thomas and Kathryn had a look on their face like, "Ok, how do we extract ourselves from this?"  I felt second-hand embarrassment for Landon, and as if sober Landon isn't enough, drunk Landon just makes me want to yank the ears off my head. 

[cooksdelight]

I co-sign drunk Landon making cats nervous. Or something.

[Rosemadder]

Call me crazy, but I would swear Kathryn had a gorgeous dark blue gown on when she & TRav were preparing to leave for the ball.  I just assumed she decided at the last minute to change to the white gown; thus TRav's decision to go without her & come back when she was finally ready.  Maybe my brain is just addled from too much reality tv:(

[Babyfoot]

I think they were showing a flashback to the Season Carolina Day party, Rosemadder.

[Lola16]

So Craig is dismissed from his job at the law firm for failing to appear at the office during regular work hours. And the situs of his dismissal is at his boss's house. Over a glass of wine. In the middle of a workday. Way to keep it consistent.

If the boss arranged a meeting in the office without booze, would Craig have shown up?

 

Thomas and Kathryn had a look on their face like, "Ok, how do we extract ourselves from this?"  I felt second-hand embarrassment for Landon, and as if sober Landon isn't enough, drunk Landon just makes me want to yank the ears off my head. 

I enjoyed that!  Because it wasn't happening to me and because I could use the mute button :)

[cooksdelight]

What fascinated me about Shep's firing was the red wine in that absolutely white room.

[Lola16]

What fascinated me about Shep's firing was the red wine in that absolutely white room.

Someone has Shep on the brain :D

[cooksdelight]

LMAO!!!!!! Yes, I confess, and instead of fixing that, I'll just leave it like it is. Sigh...... :)

[KnoxForPres]

At the men's dinner, did anyone catch Shep hit Craig under the table after Craig's comment "yeah they're going to have a f** blast" as if to say SHUT UP you uncouth frat boy!

And did Craig play paintball before the dinner? At first I thought it was rain, but no, it was part of the suit.

Yeah, it was especially rude since Pat was talking about Delaware. Showing interest in what he had just said!

I googled paint splattered sports coat (my word, what has my life become) and pretty much came up nada. Craig seems in the know fashion wise so I'm sure its a pricey trend, but motherfucking ugly it was!

I'm concerned for what this says about me. Dear friends, do not exile me, but....I don't dislike Whitney. At all. Dare I say I rather like him. I can't say why, but I do. I think maybe because I see self doubt and/or self worthiness issues. It makes me want to pet his head instead of hate him. And yet, I see the other side and why one would.

Anyone else think the fat kid in them would struggle to fight the urge to get multiple scoops of Mac and cheese at Pats dinner? With the person standing there, Id get the requisite one and tear up as she walked away with that glorious cheese laden wonderfulness.

[zenme]

Oh, KnoxForPres! It's okay. I too enjoy Whitney, and I think I've got a bigger problem. I like Whitney AND Pat. I dunno! I find them entertaining, and I enjoy the Pat's house porn.

ETA: ditto on the Mac and cheese

Edited April 30, 2015 by zenme

[Sage47]

I have liked Whitney in the past. He can be funny and interesting. I just don't like when he's so mean re: Kathryn and sits around giggling about her with Pat. But in some ways he really did nail it. Kathryn truly did target TRav just to be set for life. Whitney sees through her and is disgusted. Coming from wealth I'm quite certain he has seen a few similar situations go down.

 

Whitney needs to go back to the disheveled hair look. I feel sorry for him too at times.

 

I wish Shep's whole family would make an appearance. I'm in love with all things Shep! How about a Shep spin-off? Southern Charm: Shep's Palace Hotel.

[jkitty]

It looks like Landon fulfilled every bride's claim and actually re-wore a bridesmaids dress.

[RedHawk]

It looks like Landon fulfilled every bride's claim and actually re-wore a bridesmaids dress.

Haha! The only time I was a bridesmaid I loved the dress and re-wore it to my college senior formal.

Landon's voice intrigues rather than irritates me. I can kinda see why guys like Shep think she's all that and a bag of chips.

[pasdetrois]

 

Coming from wealth I'm quite certain he has seen a few similar situations go down.

Yeah, such as his mother, who did it more than once.

 

I feel sorry for him sometimes too. He struggles to fit in. But then he behaves like an ass and I'm mad at him again. I did notice that when Kathryn flounced away from the table at the ball, Whitney stood up like a gentleman. (I don't need anyone to do this for me, but I do notice it when it happens.) Whoever was next to him - it was Shep or Thomas - did not.

 

I did not realize until part of the way in to the episode that the Founders Ball is a brand-new thing.

 

Craig actually looked crestfallen when he was fired. It almost seemed real and not staged. I did feel we were being treated to a commercial for his boss' business, and that the boss wanted to show off his home. *Nose in air. Sniffs* New Money.

[gunderda]

Re: Kathryn cooking - I think Thomas is gone working so long during the day that she doesn't know when and if he's going to show up at home.  She's probably one that doesn't care if she eats or not so if she doesn't know when he's going to be home she probably doesn't bother with cooking. 

 

 

I call shenanigans on Craig actually being fired on camera - but I guess if his boss has actual cheesy commercials for the business then maybe I wouldn't put it past him to want to do that on camera. 

[arejay]

Lord, help me, I am about to  agree with Landon that if Kathryn wants to make a life with Thomas, then she needs to, you know, act like she does.   I think of her as the Dowager Empress, only spelled 'Dour-ger'.

Edited April 30, 2015 by arejay

[RedHawk]

I did not realize until part of the way in to the episode that the Founders Ball is a brand-new thing.

Yes, like "Carolina Day" it seems to have been created mostly for the show. It's clearly not an old money/old family event.

[DrSparkles]

Yeah, such as his mother, who did it more than once.

I hope you dropped the Mic!! BOOM! ;)

[imjagain]

Lord, help me, I am about to agree with Landon that if Kathryn wants to make a life with Thomas, then she needs to, you know, act like she does. I think of her as the Dowager Empress, only spelled 'Dour-ger'.

Katherine is really miserable. I try not to judge her. Thomas must be hard to be around especially because he puts her at such a low priority in his life, and she knows that. She is not his first priority, has to hurt.

She would be so hard to be around the sour look on her face the nonstop complaints. I don't even think him being around more would make her happy. She wants something I don't think he wants to give.

Thomas is old enough to know that a marriage will not change things that much for them.

She needs to figure out what she really wants and move on.

The 2 of them staying together will end in tons of resentment from her down the road. She is still young she can learn to Co parent with Thomas and still have a life with happiness.

Edited April 30, 2015 by imjagain

[pasdetrois]

I really hated watching and listening to her on the last episode. It was so unpleasant.

 

I understand how disappointed she is. But she's placing responsibility for her happiness with a guy who's only going to disappoint her. She's avoiding the realization that her plan didn't work. Plus she's playing to her TV audience. I don't think either of them is madly in love - they tried to use each other and place unrealistic demands on each other.

 

I keep wondering whether Thomas actually believed he had a chance in the election. If not, then what was his purpose for the sham campaign? (I know others have speculated in this forum.) Somehow I think he began to believe in his chances, and I can see him wandering around the plantation now in a drunken petulant funk.

Edited April 30, 2015 by pasdetrois

[cooksdelight]

Forgive me, but I read that as "drunken petulant fuck".... and imagine that's probably what he's like. LOL

[wovenloaf]

I really hated watching and listening to her on the last episode. It was so unpleasant.

 

I agree. The way Kathryn was acting at the Founder's Ball was seriously unpleasant to watch. I get that she was mad and that Thomas is probably terrible to deal with, but the moping and pouting in public, then trying to pick a fight (excuse me - "talk about their problems") in a corner of the room in the middle of the ball, was so obnoxious. Then when drunky Landon was babbling at them, Kathryn's talking head is all like "I don't see why we have to act happy when we aren't." Um. You don't. But the answer is to break up or solve it in private, not to paste your misery all over your face and scowl at innocent bystanders. I hate the attitude that in order to be "real" (or something...I don't really know) you have to air your dirty laundry to everyone around you. It's also awfully self-important - get over yourself people!

[Neurochick]

Yeah, I have to give major side-eye for Cooper's admiration and respect for the founders of Charleston, and Charleston being an "elite outpost."

 

If by elite outpost, he means place where a few white people got rich by using other humans as slaves and treating them as property, yeah, it's an elite outpost all right. 

 

Yes, I gave Cooper the side eye as he went on and on about Charleston being an "elite outpost."  Yes, right, tell me another one.  If not for the slaves doing all the work, the place probably would have been a shit hole

Edited April 30, 2015 by Neurochick

[Suck It Trebek]

Evidently, the thought has never occurred to Whitney that perhaps HE is the low hanging fruit.

And whomever up thread said his mother looked like Gary Oldham as Dracula when her hair is pulled back? Dead on. Love it.

[SweetCaroline]

Yes, like "Carolina Day" it seems to have been created mostly for the show. It's clearly not an old money/old family event.

Carolina Day is actually real....it's been observed since 1777 and commemorates a Revolutionary War battle on Sullivans Island. I don't recall, at least in my lifetime, anyone ever celebrating with a formal dinner or ball though. It's usually more like reenactments and educational programs.

 

The Founders Day thing? Yeah, total load of shite.....as was that ridiculous "ball". Cooper appeared to have taken a mish-mash of what he thinks are southern traditions and tossed them into the cauldron. Not to be a complete snot (wait, yes I do) but technically the Charleston Social Season doesn't start until after Christmas....that is when most balls and dinners would have happened.

 

I'll shag with Shep any day though....no matter what time of year :-P

[cooksdelight]

As someone trying to decide between pickles, eating jelly straight from the jar, a can of soup that expired in 2011, or the mysteries from the bottom of my freezer,  I can tell you that this is not always the case.  I would imagine they are pretty busy with the political campaign and new baby and might not always feel like making every meal at home.

In the "real world" I'd totally agree. But they are on a television show, and usually everyone tries to look and behave their best. She really doesn't seem to care anymore. What we see is Kathryn sitting home alone all day, taking care of her daughter, while Thomas is out campaining with Amy. I'd be busting my ass to make him feel welcome when he finally does come home, and then maybe he'd want to be around me more often. She complained when they were living at the plantation because he had to go into town to work each day. So he moves her to town. Now she complains when he's out trying to get elected.

As someone else said, Amy should give her a job stuffing envelopes or something so she feels a part of things. It's just so uncomfortable to watch Kathryn and Thomas.

[RedHawk]

Thanks for the correction on Carolina Day. Seemed like last year anyone with a Carolina connection was "WTF?" about it but probably they meant that they'd never seen it celebrated with a big party or ball.

Edited April 30, 2015 by RedHawk

[izabella]

As someone else said, Amy should give her a job stuffing envelopes or something so she feels a part of things. It's just so uncomfortable to watch Kathryn and Thomas.

 

I don't think she wants anything to do with the campaign, except for wanting to be at his side at all the campaign stops and Thomas publicly thanking her for her for her support.

[balshureen]

I think Kathryn actually does love Thomas, and is genuinely hurt by the way he treats her, so much so that she can't even put on a front anymore in public that everything is OK.  He knew she was pissed off and should have addressed it rather than ignore what she was trying to say to him at the Founder's Ball.

 

I definitely think she is immature, and should put on a happy face in public, especially given Thomas's political ambitions.  I just think she's out of her gold-digging depths with Thomas.  She is naive and doesn't seem to have the wherewithal or emotional resolve to pretend to be someone she isn't in order to be what Thomas needs her to be.  The other problem she has is that Thomas isn't interested in providing what she needs from him.

 

They seem to bring out the worst in each other, and they are both starting to realize it isn't going to work.

 

I am curious to see what happens in the rest of the interview with Craig.  He had this douche bag smirk on his face when his boss said that he was talking to him like he was his son, and his face just dropped when he said he was going to terminate him.  It seemed a very genuine reaction. 

[psychoticstate]

I'll shag with Shep any day though....no matter what time of year :-P

 

 

Shagging with Shep.  A reality show I would watch and an activity I would participate in.

[RedHawk]

I just couldn't care less about Craig or what happens to him. Are we now going to watch him spiral further downward? Not my kind of entertainment.

Next to Shep, Thomas, and even Whitney he's such a dud.

Edited April 30, 2015 by RedHawk