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S06.E11: Hail Mary


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So, I had Kalinda's murder by Bishop pegged for end of the season, but I'm now moving up my prediction to February sweeps.

 

I said that they'd probably do it at Feb sweeps because of when her departure was announced.

 

As for Bishop (Mike Colter), he's been cast in a new series so I can possibly see him either being knocked off by Kalinda or being sent to jail courtesy of Kalinda as well.  And I agree, that email is going to come back and bite her in the butt since apparently nobody knows how to password protect their computer so anybody can just pull anything off of it they like...

 

Glad Cary's drama is over.  Geneva and her boyfriend may get put under the spotlight but eventually this is all coming back to Kalinda and the firm.

 

As for the campaign stuff, what sort of idiots are TPTB to hire Chris Elliott to basically be Chris Elliott.  So unnecessary.

 

Of course Peter was trying to help in his own way and of course it didn't work.

 

I'm okay with Alicia kissing her campaign guy because it was so out of the blue for her but I kept thinking that no one thinks of cameras being everywhere these days.

 

Christine Baranski is kick ass.

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Except that before pleading guilty, the judge has to inquire about the charge and you have to state, usually under oath, that it happened the way the state says it can prove it happened.  If you plead guilty for your own reasons even though you didn't commit the crime, as people sometimes do, that's ultimately on you.  If new evidence surfaces that shows you're innocent (without misconduct by the state), that's what motions for new trial and habeas are for. 

 

OK. Got it. Interesting they were acting till the end like it was get the plea withdrawn or it's at least 2 years (if good behavior) in prison. I guess the writers didn't want to get bogged down on procedure, but seems like strong evidence there that could have gotten Cary out much much faster than 2 years, with new trial or habeas corpus, and a sane, just judge.

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Where was Clark?? I can't imagine he wouldn't be there all aflutter that his man crush was going to prison.

 

I have been feeling the absence of Clark this entire season! Wouldn't he have had something to say back when they had to raise all the funds for Cary's bail? It's weird that there's been no mention of him at all. Unless there has been, and I just wasn't listening.

 

Also, while I understand plot-mechanics and needing to gear up for Kalinda's departure, is it really feasible that Diane, who just a few week's ago (in show time) unleashed some pretty dramatic malware on the firm, would not only be able to get that file from Kalinda's computer, but actually understand what it was in the first place? I mean, I love Diane just as much as all right-thinking people should, but that really did suspend my suspension of disbelief.

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I have been feeling the absence of Clark this entire season! Wouldn't he have had something to say back when they had to raise all the funds for Cary's bail? It's weird that there's been no mention of him at all. Unless there has been, and I just wasn't listening.

 

Also, while I understand plot-mechanics and needing to gear up for Kalinda's departure, is it really feasible that Diane, who just a few week's ago (in show time) unleashed some pretty dramatic malware on the firm, would not only be able to get that file from Kalinda's computer, but actually understand what it was in the first place? I mean, I love Diane just as much as all right-thinking people should, but that really did suspend my suspension of disbelief.

 

 

 She must have gone to an Edcamp.

I don't think it's budget cuts, as much as a budget shift. There are some people we haven't seen, but there have been a ton of new people surrounding the campaign - Steven Pasquale, Sarah Steelman, David Hyde Pierce, David Krumholtz, etc. Hopefully the campaign stuff will go away soon, and we'll get back to Florrick Agos and the folks that work there.

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Why would Alicia have to beg Peter to give Cary special consideration in prison? Wouldn't he already rate that since he is a former prosecutor?

 

I'm surprised Peter didn't say "I can't call the DOJ but I still have some friends on the inside. You know from when I was in prison back in season one."

 

Somehow I feel the show has forgotten that Peter did time. I would've liked if Alicia had said this guy was the prison consultant Peter used when he was convicted.

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I'm surprised Peter didn't say "I can't call the DOJ but I still have some friends on the inside. You know from when I was in prison back in season one."

Somehow I feel the show has forgotten that Peter did time. I would've liked if Alicia had said this guy was the prison consultant Peter used when he was convicted.

Part of me wishes that Peter had been the prison consultant!
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Part of me wishes that Peter had been the prison consultant!

 

That could've been an amazing scene. Peter telling Cary everything he learned when he was inside. Oh what a missed opportunity!

 

Still I like that the show reminded us that Cary worked for Peter. You'd never know they were former colleagues from the way Geneva has behaved toward him. I wish we could've gotten some signal from her along the way to indicate in what regard she holds him. Does she remember him fondly? Did she actually think he was guilty? Is she pissed that he's Bishop's lawyer? Ticked off he didn't ask her to come to Florrick Agos? What's it like for Cary to be on the receiving end given that he probably knows better than anybody what kind of lawyer she is. Not that I demand a whole lot of time devoted to Geneva - we saw what happened when they did that with Elsbeth - but just a little indication that they have a past as something other than prosecutor/defendant would've made for some nice subtext. I would've preferred that to the random mention of an affair between Geneva and Prima.

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So, and i'm sorry if I missed someone else bringing this up but I really did read all the previous posts, what was w/Cary looking at his bank account on his phone?  I missed something b/c I thought we were going to have a jumble of Cary skipping court to take Bishops deal to be his overseas lawyer, Kalinda faking the email data, Kalinda finding the real Brady violation.  I mean Cary had a lot of money in that account so did he call Bishop and take the deal and he was checking to see that Bishop followed through w/his transfer of funds or what?

 

I'm tired of this Alicia running for States Attorney crap storyline.  Why don't the writers have her realize that she has no reason to run anymore, she never had a real good reason to run other than she hated Castro.  I miss what this show was w/the crazy, kooky, interesting, intriguing court cases.  

 

This show is such crap now that the star of the show can't even share scenes w/the rest of the cast.

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I guess they thought having everything happen at the last minute was good drama, but it makes the attorneys look really incompetent.

 

If they had done discovery properly, they would have noticed the oddities in the transcript when they first received and read it.

 

The way plea deals usually work is after the terms have been agreed to, the parties go before the judge for sentencing and allocution.  The defendant has to admit what they did, and the judge has to sign off on the plea deal.  Until that happens, it's not official.

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I really didn't like the last scene. First, it wasn't a parking garage, because the cars were parked head to toe. Second, Alicia, when happy, will kiss any random guy standing there? Are we supposed to be blindsided she liked him, not Finn, or is this just "Alicia IS able of spur-of-the-moment, rash, stupid actions that don't mean anything"? I thought I'd never say that but I actually like Finn (as a friend or romantic partner, whatever, but I like him).

Beside this, I really liked the episode. It was so intense and stressful I had to pause at times.

It was strange because I almost didn't want them to cut to the debate... but I liked those debate scenes (including Eli and JOhnny fighting, and the "bodywoman" 's turning this and that way, embarassed to be witnessing the fight). I didn't like the silly prof who was high (WHO'd hired him as a stand-in prudy, seriously???  - writers, Was that a jab at UChicago? Because that's a really, really good university with plenty of political science specialists who'd all have been hirable by these campaigns.... - But a 16th century lit prof when you have these specialists? WTH?? Who made that call?) even though the scenes were sort of funny. Not as funny as they were meant to be, I suspect. However, the debate scene with Finn then with Peter were great. Alicia can be good. Until now though she's been lukewarm about this campaign. And Peter did ask "why are you running"... She needs to work on that question. Right now I think Alicia will lose though. I don't think CBS will let that happen but they're sure doing it right for us to see a loss as possible/likely/logical.

But the best part was all these friends Cary has, and he doesn't even know he does. Kalinda is getting herself into terrible danger for him - if that's not love... Now I'm no longer worried about Cary, I'm worried about Kalinda!

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what was w/Cary looking at his bank account on his phone? I missed something b/c I thought we were going to have a jumble of Cary skipping court to take Bishops deal to be his overseas lawyer, Kalinda faking the email data, Kalinda finding the real Brady violation. I mean Cary had a lot of money in that account so did he call Bishop and take the deal and he was checking to see that Bishop followed through w/his transfer of funds or what?

My interpretation was that he was debating whether that was enough money to leave the country and become a fugitive as he had discussed with Herc in the previous scene. I loved that Herc already knew that Spain has an extradition agreement. I think it was all to illustrate how desperate Cary was getting as the reality of four years in prison was imminent.

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Alicia, when happy, will kiss any random guy standing there? Are we supposed to be blindsided she liked him, not Finn, or is this just "Alicia IS able of spur-of-the-moment, rash, stupid actions that don't mean anything"

 

I think Alicia is slowly morphing into Peter.  Over the last few seasons, when she felt super pumped up and wanted to bang a stranger, she used Peter. Doing that served her purposes but still let her feel OK about it since he remained her husband on paper.  She may not be at the stage yet where she calls up hookers when she's riding that "I'm totally awesome!!!" feeling (and probably never will go quite there simply because it would be inelegant) -- but the trajectory in the direction of celebrating professional triumphs with random guys to provide her with a little exhilarating-but-intimacy-free pleasure is noteworthy.

 

I'm okay with Alicia kissing her campaign guy because it was so out of the blue for her but I kept thinking that no one thinks of cameras being everywhere these days.

 

It was very reckless, and I think quite possibly going to cost her.  In the last couple of episodes she's seen incontrovertible proof that opposition-research people can photograph you in private spots (Peter undressing on a bed), and that opposition research people are watching and photographing her (Finn leaving her apartment building in early morning).  When she got a look at the photos of Peter, she was very angry and judgmental - not because she felt betrayed as a wife, but because she felt he should know better than to do something that could damage her campaign.  She was incredibly irate that his libido might hurt her public image.  It would be kind of funny if the woman whose PAC was launched and primarily funded by Chicago's biggest drug dealer gets brought down for kissing her campaign manager in a parking lot.

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Well, I have a question.  What kind of bad guy blurts into a cell phone "We already had the drugs and were getting ready to send them to Toronto?"  Another question.  What would Bishop be thinking at that moment when Kalinda is on his phone and rambling away, off track, with one of his partners?

 

And ditto to the posts that said the defense team was essentially 0 for 3 on Cary's case, until the end there.  Lesson learned, I hope?

 

If she actually gets away with it, Kalinda has a big sword over her head.  If Hacker guy were ever to get swept up by some government agency, he can play the "I have some information that might interest you"  card.  Bad news for her.

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What would Bishop be thinking at that moment when Kalinda is on his phone and rambling away, off track, with one of his partners?

 

I thought that too...how would Bishop know the guy would phrase it letting it slip that the drugs were already in town ready to be exported out.  The only other way is if Bishop knew and figured it would be up to Kalinda to piece the rest together, but then that means that Bishop knew his guys were going behind his back to steal the heroin.  It just left me confused.  

 

I agree that Bishop is so damn intimidating the way he slowly came up to Kalinda, and that angle showed how he towered over her.  I can totally understand why she would use the formal sir when addressing him.  I had doubts that Mike Coulter would make a good Luke Cage for the Marvel Cinematic/Television Universe, but this episode totally sold me on him being a towering threatening presence who could physically kick ass.

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In fact, I'm tired of this show.

 

That sums up my feelings nicely. After a six week absence, I barely remember where the show left off, and care even less. Heck, Cary could have served his two years in the time the show has been on a break. And after such a long absense, it is just annoying that Cary's long drawn out storyline is wrapped up partially due to Kalinda falsifying evidence. Which, as much as Kalinda likes to break the rules, I don't think she would do. Yes I know Diane found it and Kalinda didn't actually give it to Diane, but I don't believe she would put the whole firm in jepordary by doing that in the first place. All in all, this epi was not worth the six week wait.

My interpretation was that he was debating whether that was enough money to leave the country and become a fugitive as he had discussed with Herc in the previous scene. I loved that Herc already knew that Spain has an extradition agreement. I think it was all to illustrate how desperate Cary was getting as the reality of four years in prison was imminent.

I thought that was the point but it didn't really make sense. I mean he looks at his bank account and sees that he has about $200,000. But he is due in the courthouse in a few hours so what exactly can he do with it? It is not like you can go to an ATM or even a bank branch and withdraw all of that money in cash on short notice like that. And even if you could it is not like you can go to the airport and book an international flight with a suitcase full of cash. And it is not like he can fly to spain and then electronically transfer the money. I am sure his accounts would be frozen before his plane landed. 

 

Part of me wishes that Peter had been the prison consultant!

That would be interesting. It made me wonder too, the consultant said that everyone goes to maximum security first before getting reassigned. I wonder if Peter had the same experience. I saw a Discovery Channel show on Statesville prison a few years ago. One of the cell blocks has the roundhouse design where all the cells are in a multi-level cylinder with the guard house at the center of the circle. It looked like something out of an AC/DC video.

 

The debate prep was super annoying and the whole campaign bores me more than ever. Why do they need so much prep? Are Chicago states attorney debates televised or something?  Plus when Peter showed up and she was clearly debating him and not him playing Purdy it was really annoying. The only thing I liked about the whole thing was that Johnny guy finally told Eli that it was his campaign to run.

 

The Kalinda thing might be fun. Another way her exit might go is that 1) the cop whose career she ruined might now be out for revenge against her. Or 2 maybe it gets discovered that she falsified evidence and it ruins her career an an investigator.

 

Wouldn't Diane be in as much trouble as Kalinda? Diane was the lead defense lawyer who presented falsified evidence.

 

I would think she would have to be. I mean Diane is the licensed professional in this case. I would have to assume she has some sort of duty to the court where she can't just take anything she finds on someone's desk and assume it is legitimate evidence and present it in court without at least attempting to verify. And I doubt "I found it on my investigator's desk and I assumed it was legitimate" would be a valid excuse. Plus like others have said with the IT/hacker guy gone how would Diane even know what she was looking at?

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Alicia's behavior throughout the episode felt like a big orchestration to keep her away from the rest of the regular cast—like on Kate and Allie when Susan St. James was pregnant and they filmed her in her bed the whole time. Even though she interacted with Eli and the others during debate prep, all of her nonsense calls to Carey and Diane felt ridiculously contrived. I'm not usually interested in gossip about whether or not actors get along, but it's really interfering with the show.

 

And yeah, her "Whoop!" was one of the most pathetic, non-spontaneous expressions of "joy" I've ever heard. I didn't mind the Johnny kiss, though it did feel random. I could almost fanwank it if Alicia knew that Johnny had told off Eli—did she know?

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So, Diane did not even make an effort to call Kalinda on her ever-present cell phone to ask about her findings or even for a laptop password -- then Diane found the document that was needed, understood which part was incriminating and then printed out that part to take to court? Is that what I'm supposed to believe happened? 

 

I know this show lives on last second discoveries and incredulous coincidences and Kalinda flipping through a five-year-old case file and finding the one piece of overlooked evidence that turns everything in their favor .... but ... (there is no 'but' -- that's just crazy 'yall ) .

 

I have come to regard The Good Wife sort of like NCIS , or Suits, or even Revenge -- the cases don't matter, the facts don't matter, the politics don't matter, the legal realities don't matter -- it's all just minutiae that allows the actors to have kick-ass 'winning' scenes and verbal throw-downs..

 

Even though I don't watch with much attachment any more, I can still remember season one when Alicia gave Cary a courtroom spanking on an almost weekly basis..   How did they manage to come to be at odds on such a regular basis..? Because ... TPTB made it so..

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I thought that too...how would Bishop know the guy would phrase it letting it slip that the drugs were already in town ready to be exported out.  The only other way is if Bishop knew and figured it would be up to Kalinda to piece the rest together, but then that means that Bishop knew his guys were going behind his back to steal the heroin.  It just left me confused.  

 

I agree that Bishop is so damn intimidating the way he slowly came up to Kalinda, and that angle showed how he towered over her.  I can totally understand why she would use the formal sir when addressing him.  I had doubts that Mike Coulter would make a good Luke Cage for the Marvel Cinematic/Television Universe, but this episode totally sold me on him being a towering threatening presence who could physically kick ass.

I got the impression that the guy Kalinda was on the phone with was a cop or a prison guard, a dirty one, but nonetheless a cop.  Wasn't he referring to "transport"?  I

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Since Kalinda is leaving, I would prefer her being in prison to being dead.  I agree with everyone who has liked the incarceration specialist.  He was great, and I was thinking about a female version of him advising Kalinda.  I think Kalinda could totally handle prison.

 

I'm fine with the hacking because I think it's something that Kalinda would resort to if necessary, and it shows that she loves Cary.  I'm not saying that I need them to be a couple, but I liked seeing Kalinda demonstrate that she loves someone.  She made sure that the blowback will fall on her, and there's no doubt that she knew what she was doing.  She and Cary may be complicated, but in Kalinda's unique way, she demonstrated that she loves Cary.

 

The kiss at the end made no sense to me given how far Alicia had to walk.  That's what made me think it was stupid.  If she had been at the podium, received that phone call (or in any other enclosed space), I could buy her whirling around and kissing whoever was there in the emotion of the moment.  Walking the distance that she did was too long of a moment for me to buy that she didn't become aware of her actions while walking---that she wasn't aware of the person she was walking toward.  That meant that I had to buy that she intentionally chose to kiss her campaign manager...and I didn't buy that.

 

Matt C. is awesome.  Return Cary to the courtroom ASAP...as a LAWYER!

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So, Diane did not even make an effort to call Kalinda on her ever-present cell phone to ask about her findings or even for a laptop password -- then Diane found the document that was needed, understood which part was incriminating and then printed out that part to take to court? Is that what I'm supposed to believe happened?

 

The only answer I can figure is that w/Kalinda tracking down the cop taken off the case, Diane scrambled and called the IT/computer tech guy to check if Kalinda found anything b/c she can't find her.  The last thing that guy knew was Kalinda did forge the data, so all he had to say was yeah we found he did read said email, and then Diane asks for a print off and there we go.  I can't imagine that Kalinda would just leave her laptop open in a conference room for anyone to get ahold of.

 

This show has always taken risks, such as actually killing Will off last season, and I have to admit I was disappointed that everything w/Cary's storyline wrapped up in a fictional 5 hours.  I was really hoping that after deciding to bust their asses to save Cary in the final hours before he had to turn himself in that the Judge would deny hearing the evidence after being played by Peter Florrick.  Did we ever get a reason as to why Peter did this, much less how he knew what Diane and Kalinda were trying to do so he bought them time?  I didn't recall Alicia say they had 5 hours to find new evidence, she just wanted Cary protected.  I think the storyline would have played off better that even after they found the evidence, not Kalinda's fabricated evidence, that the Judge decided to not have Cary's guilty plea taken off the table b/c he was stalled by two extra hours(?!).  I could see the Judge being stalled 30 to 45 minutes, but 2 extra hours, seriously show!  They still could have tried to save Cary for the rest of the season b/c they have the proof/evidence and were now trying to get a new judge/trial while he is in prison.  It would have been awesome to see Diane vs Alicia for mucking things up worse by having her husband stall for time thereby ticking off the judge.  I just really wish they had followed through w/Cary going to prison.

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See I don't buy that Kalinda did what she did b/c she loves Cary, I don't really think she is capable of loving anyone anymore.  Her persona she puts out there I think has brought her to where she is now.  I think she did what she did for Cary b/c she feels guilty for all of this happening to Cary coming to this point.  If she hadn't played fast and loose w/Bishop, thinking she is in his leagues and threatening his family, she would have gotten the info needed from Bishop and Cary would have gotten off earlier.  The fact that she thinks she has the clout that Bishop has, and others, sometimes gets her friends put into harms way.

What I meant by Kalinda not being capable of loving anyone, I don't mean she doesn't care for anyone, like Alicia, Will, Cary, and others... She cares for these people to a degree that she goes to extremes to help the people she cares for and considers some sort of family out in their predicaments.

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The third option is "in the wind"

 

 

I'm not a fan of that option.  It's too close to what she did to escape from her husband.  While I understand her necessity to do it then, to do it again but for a different reason seems as overkill to me as killing her would be.

 

I don't really think she is capable of loving anyone anymore.

 

 

I disagree.  Kalinda certainly doesn't love typically.  I doubt we'll ever hear her say those words to anyone, but I think she does feel and love in her own way.

 

Did we ever get a reason as to why Peter did this, much less how he knew what Diane and Kalinda were trying to do so he bought them time?  I didn't recall Alicia say they had 5 hours to find new evidence, she just wanted Cary protected.

 

 

I interpreted Alicia's request and Peter's stalling of the judge as two independent actions.  I thought Peter's comment to Alicia about wanting to also help Cary because Cary had worked for Peter was a cue to the audience that Peter had something in the works, but I interpreted it as something separate that Peter did of his own accord.

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I'm fine with the hacking because I think it's something that Kalinda would resort to if necessary, and it shows that she loves Cary.  I'm not saying that I need them to be a couple, but I liked seeing Kalinda demonstrate that she loves someone.  She made sure that the blowback will fall on her, and there's no doubt that she knew what she was doing.  She and Cary may be complicated, but in Kalinda's unique way, she demonstrated that she loves Cary.

I like this. I think Kalinda has always been very loyal, and when she loves you, she's all in. She was like this with Alicia until Alicia cut off their friendship. I like very much the idea that they can portray a non-monogamous character as being loyal and deeply committed to those she loves, even if it doesn't mean she's sexually exclusive. She showed earlier this season that she would not throw Lana to Bishop. Now she's willing to sacrifice herself for Cary. She didn't want to choose between them, even when the price is her own safety and material best interest. It's a clear demonstration that she is sincere in her devotion, even if she doesn't want to be owned or confined by an exclusivity agreement.

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If Cary had a quarter of a million $$$ in his bank account I would have expected him to contribute it to his bail bond.  It's not five million, but they were looking for far smaller amounts from the other members of the firm when they were trying to dredge up the bond. 

 

Yes, how did techo-feeble Diane manage to get into Kalinda's computer, let alone find that particular mess of code?

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Is Cary really finally through with the legal problems? I understand that the dismissal "with prejudice" means he cannot be prosecuted again, but does that hold true even if the evidence which led directly to the dismissal is proven to be a total fraud arising from defense misconduct?

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Is Cary really finally through with the legal problems? I understand that the dismissal "with prejudice" means he cannot be prosecuted again, but does that hold true even if the evidence which led directly to the dismissal is proven to be a total fraud arising from defense misconduct?

Also what about his legal career? I mean Will was never charged with a crime but he was still suspended. Isn't the burden of proof for something like a law license a lot lower than what it would be for a criminal trial? Or will they probably (hopefully) forget about that sort of thing.

Kalinda certainly doesn't love typically.  I doubt we'll ever hear her say those words to anyone, but I think she does feel and love in her own way.

 

I agree, and I think "I'll be here ... I won't disappear on you" was as close as Kalinda will ever come to saying those three other little words. I was struck by the fact that she never said as much even to Will, and I'm convinced she was being sincere, even if she's proven wrong on the facts in a future episode (as seems likely).

I agree, and I think "I'll be here ... I won't disappear on you" was as close as Kalinda will ever come to saying those three other little words. I was struck by the fact that she never said as much even to Will, and I'm convinced she was being sincere, even if she's proven wrong on the facts in a future episode (as seems likely).

 

I think Kalinda was just giving him something to hope for while in prison so he's not going feel dejected for two years. It's also to let him know he has friends out there who will always look out for him and won't abandon him. I don't think it's about romantic love. Kalinda did tell Jeffrey Grant that she *loved* Will. She didn't say it to his face when Will was alive, but clearly she loved him as a friend, as she loved Alicia as a friend.

 

I agree that it's hard for Kalinda to express love to anyone. But she told Lana in 6x09 that "I take you seriously". I think those words were pretty powerful coming from her. It makes her banging session with Cary all the more puzzling. She just agreed to Lana to take her seriously, I took it to mean going steady with her. So she's being unfaithful to Lana two episodes later. It doesn't matter that Cary was about to go to prison, you don't betray someone else so a friend could get his "memories" before going to jail. I hope we get some clarification on the situation with Lana.

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Speaking of Peter's "help" if I am ever in trouble please don't ask Peter Florrick to help.   His guy is playing the judge and leaves his damn phone out so the judge can sees someone related to the case ( couldn't see the name, the eyes are going but clearly the judge got who it was) calling every 2 seconds.   The judge is not an idiot, idiot.   Put your damn phone away to keep from getting caught playing games.

 

Also, not real upset with Alicia asking Peter to put Cary in segregated custody.   That was not an outrageous request like a pardon or commutation would be.   But it is one thing you ask for a friend.   It's not corruption of the justice sytem, it's just not wanting your friend to get shanked in prison.   

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