Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[This2getsold]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-pryor/bethenny-frankel-gives-lesson-not-women_b_9673088.html

 

Gotta read this!  She recommends having sex with men to raise funding!  

[Medicine Crow]

Man, her total lack of awareness knows no bounds!!!  Gawd!!!

[racked]

That article! Every time I think I understand how low she will sink, she goes lower. She is so impressed with herself, and yet so detached from reality. 

That pic of her old face though really shows how much better she looks with whatever work she had done.

[NewDigs]

Well there goes any defense that she was just playing a part on RHoNY. It was all production. Story lines. Who am I kidding? Betthhenny couldn't care less what anyone thinks.

I know she's very wealthy but I'm not clear on which businesses she still controls. Wasn't the lions's share bought by Seagram's? Other Skinnies seem to end up on overstock/sale shelves.

Is she going for zero body fat? Really not a good look. Stringy.

[Mozelle]

Oh, that Bethenny: "Black women, I'm just like you--loud." "Black women? Other women of color? If you want to get capital for your business, get a White man to be the face of your creativity..." 

 

In what world is that OK to say? She's an asshole of epic proportions who's tone deaf as hell and is lacking in self awareness about her own damn mediocrity. 

[sasha206]

Oh, that Bethenny: "Black women, I'm just like you--loud." "Black women? Other women of color? If you want to get capital for your business, get a White man to be the face of your creativity..." 

 

In what world is that OK to say? She's an asshole of epic proportions who's tone deaf as hell and is lacking in self awareness about her own damn mediocrity. 

 

What a fucking self-important jerk she really is.  Of course, we knew she was obnoxious, full of herself, but now we can add racist to it.  And yes, that is a very racist  comment.  I don't like to put the "racist" label on people willy nilly but between the KMart discussion and now her view that apparently black women are loud, it's hard not to reach that conclusion.

Edited April 14, 2016 by sasha206

[ScoobieDoobs]

Did she think she was being funny?  This is awful.  What was she thinking?  Well, I expect awful/nasty/horrible shit to come outta her mouth, but I'm wondering how her PR flacks will spin this.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539159/Hire-white-man-face-companies-Skinnygirl-founder-Bethenny-Frankel-45-shocks-crowd-New-York-business-event-designed-empower-women.html

 

She was not well received by this crowd.  I'm thinking how this will affect her.  At the very least she won't get asked to speak again for this group -- but what about other speaking gigs?

[NewDigs]

Did she think she was being funny?  This is awful.  What was she thinking?  Well, I expect awful/nasty/horrible shit to come outta her mouth, but I'm wondering how her PR flacks will spin this.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539159/Hire-white-man-face-companies-Skinnygirl-founder-Bethenny-Frankel-45-shocks-crowd-New-York-business-event-designed-empower-women.html

 

She was not well received by this crowd.  I'm thinking how this will affect her.  At the very least she won't get asked to speak again for this group -- but what about other speaking gigs?

She looks like a double amputee in that wanna-buy-this-outfit look. Or like that Project Runway look that the model had to drape over her shoulders when the fit was all wrong.

When is all this crap going to bite her in the ass?

[Almost 3000]

We know B is freaked out by Jules because she reminds her of her mother and I'm pretty sure John reminds her the guys that hung around her father and stepfather so she doesn't like him. Oddly, she's OK dating a guy that looks like her ex Jason.

 

Oh, and I've hated her wardrobe since Bs been back.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Almost 3000

[Celia Rubenstein]

According to DListed (which cites B's twitter) Bethenny is completely denying she said any of this stuff and she is challenging someone to produce some cell phone recording/video of her saying it.

 

Here is the link to DListed because I am too lazy to deal with finding her twitter page http://dlisted.com/2016/04/14/bethenny-frankel-gave-some-great-advice-to-a-group-of-business-women/#more-213129

[Celia Rubenstein]

So ... being bored, I decided to try and wade through the articles about this little speech Bethenny gave and visited the twitter pages of the relevant parties.  And it seems that this whole thing is basically coming from one person who was in attendance.

The story is being picked up and repeated all over, all based on this one person's account.  She is the one suggesting the audience was aghast, etc. etc. but there does not seem to be any kind of mass outcry from the members of the audience that I can find any where.  One friend of the woman who was at the event with her tweeted she is "so proud to stand with you" but she does not provide and details about what she herself heard Bethenny say, at least not that I can find anywhere.

 

Where are all these other women who were there and heard all this?  The HuffPo article (and the stories citing it) gives the appearance of all these women tweeting their outrage, but if you look closely, all these tweets (except the one from the friend) are from the woman who originated the story.   She cites her own tweets a dozen times in the article she wrote about B's speech which is odd to me.  There are a couple of tweets from others supporting her outrage, but none of these other people seem to have actually been in attendance at the event themselves.  Everything that is being attributed to Bethenny is coming from this one person who wrote the HuffPo article.

The HuffPo article has been amended recently to include a a statement from the people who held the gathering.  They offer up a wimpy personal apology to the woman behind the story, saying they were sorry she felt shut down (she claims she took to the mic to challenge Bethenny but they took the mic away from her), and they added "we believe that every founder is enough on her own. We disagree with any sentiments to the contrary."  Which gives some support to the woman's claims about what Bethenny said, but it's not what I would call damning evidence.  It seems more like just an attempt to sooth the feelings of a single participant who was outraged and making a stink over something that was said, with a general "sorry if you were upset, too" to anyone else who was bothered.  If Bethenny really said what was being attributed to her, I would expect a much stronger repudiation of her comments from the event organizers.  Because if she really said what is being claimed on their stage at their conference, they should be putting her on blast and seriously distancing themselves from her imo. But they don't do that. 

 

I have the feeling the truth is somewhere in the middle.  Bethenny is crude and impulsive and caustic and god knows what she said, thinking she was being sharp and witty and telling 'em like it is.  But I don't think she whirled into the room and started telling these women of color they were not good enough and they MUST hire a white man to be the face of their business, or that they seriously need to start screwing investors to get their hands on cash for their companies.  I just don't believe she actually thinks like that.   Now saying she has something in common with Black women because she is "loud?"  That I believe in a heartbeat.  It's classic Bethenny. And I actually think that's the worst thing she supposedly said because it's bigoted as hell.  The other stuff ... I think there is a context she was speaking in that we are not aware of, and while I suspect she probably did sort of say those things, I doubt if she meant any of it as serious business advice.  The "loud" thing may understandably have left a bad taste in the mouths of some and shaped their perception of her overall speech, I understand that. Once you hear something like that, anything else borderline can suddenly feel ... not so borderline.   But I would like to hear it for myself and be the judge of it.  I don't want to just take the word of one single audience member as gospel.  YMMV

 

If someone else can find any other firsthand reports of what went on at the conference, please link them.  I am hardly an internet sleuth and twitter confuses the hell out of me and I may have missed or misunderstood something.  Thanks in advance! 

[racked]

Based on the things Bethenny says on camera, I have no trouble believing she said what the author of the article claimed. YMMV but that sounds like Bethenny to me.

[Pollock]

If someone else can find any other firsthand reports of what went on at the conference, please link them.  I am hardly an internet sleuth and twitter confuses the hell out of me and I may have missed or misunderstood something.  Thanks in advance! 

Here's a white guy confirming the story https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/open-letter-bethenny-frankel-adam-quinton?published=t

Your reply to Sanna, again as I recall it, was essentially that since it is the white guys that get funded (by the white guys) … then why not find yourself a white guy to front the company. So a colleague/spokesperson that could represent Rubitection to investors … and better connect with them, by virtue of being “one of them.” Fitting the expected pattern in other words. What you were saying may have well intentioned and fell into the category of “it is what it is” advice. i.e. if the world “works” a certain way then go with the flow if you want to succeed. In this case if your primary objective as an entrepreneur to grow your business, and you need to get it funded to achieve that, then do what it takes.

In the room I sensed a fair amount of disquiet as this dialog played out. And it came into the open when Content Strategist and founder of Urban Socialista Mary Pryor, took the mic to say that what you were offering was a recipe to sustain a flawed status quo – and that was unacceptable. Mary subsequently wrote forcefully in the Huffington Post about how your advice was “wrong headed” and not the way to empower women entrepreneurs.

[Celia Rubenstein]

Thanks for finding that and posting the link, Pollock.

 

I would encourage people to read the whole piece written by the man quoted in part above.   He clearly states that Bethenny said what she did about hiring a white guy to front your company in response to being asked a specific question about the idea of doing so by an audience member.   It is not a topic/recommendation Bethenny came in espousing out of nowhere.  

 

See, this is what I was talking about when I said there was a context in which Bethenny made her statements that the woman who wrote the HuffPo article is not explaining ....

 

From the article linked above (bolding mine):

 

You (Bethenny) recently answered a question posed to you by Dr Sanna Gaspard at a conference for women entrepreneurs in New York. She said that other people had mentioned to her that it might help to bring along a man to investor meetings to be the face of the company … and what did you think about that idea.

 

I am not defending the merits of Bethenny apparently asserting she endorses the practice, but I think it is important to note she is not alone in her belief that there may be something to be gained by hiring someone to pose as the face of your company in certain situations in order to grow your business.  In fact, the author of the article linked by Pollock closes with this acknowledgement (bolding mine):

 

But what about the specific issue that Sanna raised? What advice would I give to a black female founder seeking to raise money!? Personally I agree with the observation that telling any entrepreneur they need to have a team member to front their company who is a white guy (if they are not) is pretty upsetting. But I also know that the realities of fund raising mean this is an active conversation founders from under represented founder groups in the start up world have, if not openly and in public.

 

 

So it's not like Bethenny invented the concept or is going around preaching it is something that must be done to succeed, which is how the woman who wrote the HuffPo article made it sound.  I must say, I am curious why the HuffPo author doesn't seem to have a problem with the audience member who brought the subject up in the first place.  She doesn't even mention that what Bethenny said was in response to this woman's specific question.  I find that a bit unfair.

Edited April 15, 2016 by Celia Rubenstein

[jaync]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-pryor/bethenny-frankel-gives-lesson-not-women_b_9673088.html

Wow. Just, wow.

 

She is the one suggesting the audience was aghast, etc. etc. but there does not seem to be any kind of mass outcry from the members of the audience that I can find any where.

Is there an outcry from audience members who say it didn't happen?

Edited April 15, 2016 by jaync

[ScoobieDoobs]

Just looked at Bethenny's Twitter, which believe me, is something I really didn't wanna do -- cuz my past views of it showed mostly nastiness I can live without seeing.  So she went from completely denying this to now ignoring it & posting harmless generic comments about food.  Okaaaay.  Fortune, of all sources, chimes in-

 

http://fortune.com/2016/04/15/bethenny-frankel-black-women/

 

Why Fortune?  Well, this took place at a professional business function.  Guess we'll see if this story has legs.  It might.  She's not handling this well.  Big surprise, she ain't the incredible businesswoman she's so convinced she is -- or maybe she isn't the one to give out any kind of business advice to anyone.

Edited April 15, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[Celia Rubenstein]

Is there an outcry from audience members who say it didn't happen?

 

No, but I wouldn't expect to hear an outcry from people saying it didn't happen the way I would expect to hear from people who say it did happen and they felt offended.  People who are angry are usually the ones who speak up or go around complaining in my experience.  People who don't think there is an issue just move on and don't bother. 

 

I actually doubt most of the people who attended the conference even know there is any controversy to defend anyway.  They are probably too busy working to monitor crap on twitter and HuffPo. 

[anonymiss]

I just heard about this and it seems like shooting the messenger. It's an ugly message but it is a reality and she didn't write it, just delivered it.

[jaync]

Maybe "outcry" wasn't the best word to use, but I don't think it's too much to expect that someone who was there would take a minute or two to make a statement to back up Beth, if she's telling the truth. I mean, she either said those things, or she didn't, and she claims unequivocally that she didn't.

[NewDigs]

I just heard about this and it seems like shooting the messenger. It's an ugly message but it is a reality and she didn't write it, just delivered it.

Maybe had she approached it from a different angle.

"I had to sleep with the Seagram's staff to seal my deal. And then I had to do even more to be able to be the face of SkinnyGirl. I'd rather not talk about getting placement in Whole Foods. And then they booted my SkinnyAss! Toxic, pfft.

"Let's work to change that culture!"

As it was? Just another example of Bethy the Uncouth. imho

Edited April 16, 2016 by NewDigs

[jaync]

From that dailymail link...

 

Her face...WHAAA!?

[NewDigs]

I thought that was LuAnn.

Wow.

Is she wearing a yeti?

[NewDigs]

Bold mine.

Why Armenian? And, I assume he isn't interested in having his own children, since he chooses to spend his Viagra on someone who seems to be at least perimenopausal.

Dorinda and John obviously want to be together, so I don't get why either should/needs to be with someone else.

 

I wonder how much of a profit she's really making, given that she's back on this show to get a check and plug her shit at every turn. She whined about how she needs to spend every extra free moment with her child, yet given how she's all over this show, she obviously chose to spend a good amount of that time on filming.

I don't know how much she can make selling her crap at, mostly, discounters.

But this HuffPo blog item mentions that if sales targets are hit Seagram's might have to pay her "contingent considerations". I think that also means that if those sales targets are not met there are "liabilities" in play.

So I would say that both playing nice and being businesslike are in her best interests. But it appears she can do neither.

“In March 2011, we acquired the Skinnygirl ready-to-drink cocktail business,” the company’s website states. “The acquisition included inventory and identifiable intangible assets. In addition to goodwill, we recorded contingent consideration, which is based on the achievement of certain sales targets. In future periods, the Company may be required to record contingent consideration in an amount not in excess of approximately $25 million. Any change in the Company’s estimated liabilities for contingent consideration will impact operating income in future periods.”

[racked]

From that dailymail link...

Her face...WHAAA!?

Her cheekbone...it almost looks like an implant??

[NewDigs]

Or she's a Borg.

[tenativelyyours]

Okay I cannot be the only hearing that song from Sesame Street : one of these things is not like the other....

[Mozelle]

Meh. I can believe that Bethenny made that statement. It isn't as though seasons of her saying fuckshit don't exist. In the bra party episode alone, her snark about something Jules said or something she said to Jules was [paraphrase], "No origato!!! I don't speak Japanese." Because get it? Jules is half Japanese. Hardy har har.

It is also not out of the realm of possibility that Bethenny said something like, "I have an inner Black woman because I'm loud."

Lastly, "This is the way the world is; don't shoot the messenger" isn't an appropriate piece of advice to give (if I'm being generous in accepting that Bethenny was simply answering a question about the state of business). Bethenny's a woman in business, and it does a great disservice acting as though the next woman (whether she's Black, Pacific Islander, non-Black Latina, White, etc.) can't bang and bang and bang and try to move the social needle just a smidgen to her benefit. "That's just how it is *Kanye shrug*" is simply awful advice.

But then again, I find women like Bethenny, whether on purpose or not, oftentimes have a hard time conceiving of womaness containing multitudes (i.e., one can be a woman + Black; or a woman + Chinese + lesbian; or a woman + Cuban + Democrat). Bethenny views her experiences as singular--that's it--so getting her to understand the world outside of her own and how she's lived it is truly an exercise.

Edited April 18, 2016 by Mozelle

[jaync]

Her cheekbone...it almost looks like an implant??

Or maybe her "balls" are trying to escape.

 

Separated at birth?

 

 

 

[jimene79]

The organizers of the conference issued on apology - if the comments hadn't transpired then they would not have.

[OhGromit]

I think Bethenny likes to be "frank" and gets jokey and inappropriate when doing so-- and the stakes were high this time, because the question-askers weren't kidding around.  She should be more conscientious for sure.  But I feel they knew how she is, and they were slightly using her to create publicity for an important issue.  Alternatively, they were raising a serious issue to someone who prefers to remain flippant, and Bethenny got caught not being thoughtful enough.  And that is a flaw of hers.

 

But come on, she's not evil.  She's messed up, she's addicted to fame, and she hasn't gotten good therapy.  Okay.  I feel bad for her, cause she seems desperate and unhappy.  

Edited April 18, 2016 by OhGromit

[Mozelle]

No one has called Bethenny evil for this. She's being called out for being dismissive and offensive and displaying ignorance at a talk that she should've taken seriously.

[NewDigs]

Bold and italics mine.

No one has called Bethenny evil for this.

She's being called out for being dismissive and offensive and displaying ignorance at a:

talk that she should've taken seriously.

That could be a fill-in-the-blank.

Edited April 18, 2016 by NewDigs

[Fuzzysox]

I didn't have Bravo back when Bethany and Jill were on but now that I do I'm having a hardtime understanding WHY anyone would keep Bethany around as a friend??

Can you guys explain it to me?

[jinjer]

I didn't have Bravo back when Bethany and Jill were on but now that I do I'm having a hardtime understanding WHY anyone would keep Bethany around as a friend??

Can you guys explain it to me?

 

She was more self-deprecating, more appreciative, not so bitter. Her snark was fun and not just mean-spirited.  Now she is just on the show to drag people down. She has no interest in really interacting and having fun with these women.  That lunch with Dorinda was only to bring up that Dorinda was out of control this summer, that John is a fat, gross, baby and that Jules has an eating disorder, leaches off her husband, and that her husband is short. 

[Petunia13]

I always thought she had a touch of meanness. But now its just aggressive. Ad she's very out of touch with people in her circles and the world itself.

And to the comment Beth's job is to have an opinion. That's true but she doesn't have to blurt or yell opinions on every single subject and person and ill informed or crude ones at that. If people really wanted that from her her show wouldn't have been cancelled (quickly) and her books would sell.

[PhilMarlowe2]

I was never a Bethenny super fan (I didn't follow her to her spin-offs), but I liked her during her original run with the show and I was excited for her to come back. I've really tried to stay liking her, and I have been able to get behind her at times - she handled Ramona like a boss last season - but it's gotten to the point where I can't deny that I find her super annoying now. First off, she was just plain messy at the bra party. I can't remember what bullshit segue she used to bring up John, but it was completely out of nowhere, just pure Housewife tomfuckery, "let me bring this up for the sake of bringing this up!" And then to see how she is all up in her arms in this week's preview that Jules wouldn't take her side. The thing that annoys me about her most is how she is always talking about how she keeps it real, she speaks the truth, she'll give it to you straight. It's like, "Okay, yes, we get it! We heard you the first 5,000 times you said it!" It's just all about her all the time now. She talks over people, she interrupts, she goes a mile a minute, and she always brings it back to herself. She really is exhausting.

[Medicine Crow]

^^^^ EXACTLY!!! ^^^^

[neatoburrito]

I was never a Bethenny super fan (I didn't follow her to her spin-offs), but I liked her during her original run with the show and I was excited for her to come back. I've really tried to stay liking her, and I have been able to get behind her at times - she handled Ramona like a boss last season - but it's gotten to the point where I can't deny that I find her super annoying now. First off, she was just plain messy at the bra party. I can't remember what bullshit segue she used to bring up John, but it was completely out of nowhere, just pure Housewife tomfuckery, "let me bring this up for the sake of bringing this up!" And then to see how she is all up in her arms in this week's preview that Jules wouldn't take her side. The thing that annoys me about her most is how she is always talking about how she keeps it real, she speaks the truth, she'll give it to you straight. It's like, "Okay, yes, we get it! We heard you the first 5,000 times you said it!" It's just all about her all the time now. She talks over people, she interrupts, she goes a mile a minute, and she always brings it back to herself. She really is exhausting.

 

Agree with every word of this. She's one of those people who uses "I'm honest! I'm real!" to excuse her plain rude behaviour. Wasn't she saying that she wanted her birthday to be low key, so she was happy to go to Dorinda's chilled-out bra party? And then she finds an extremely tenuous reason to start in on her about John, which she knew would cause a whole bunch of drama. Why did she think it was appropriate to challenge someone about their boyfriend, at an event they were hosting? At the time it was uncalled for IMHO. 

[RHJunkie]

I didn't have Bravo back when Bethany and Jill were on but now that I do I'm having a hardtime understanding WHY anyone would keep Bethany around as a friend??

Can you guys explain it to me?

 

Bethenny has always been outspoken and rude at any cost (in the name of honesty of course) but in the beginning she was a lot more laid back and was an underdog in many ways. She didn't have the marriage or the massive wealth. She was still building herself and came from humble beginnings. She wasn't instigating yet she was still very direct with people to their face. There were vibes that suggested that the other women either thought less of her or thought it part of their 'coolness' factor to take in the stray - overall made it easier to root for her and appreciate her humour. She's always been spunky but she's become more assertive with her insults and aggression. Before it seemed like a defensive reaction and now it's more of an offensive attack.

[racked]

I loved the Bethenny and Jill friendship in Season 1. It seemed so real and they were fun together. B was the underdog and she was often treated kind of crappy by the other Housewives (Luann especially treated her like she was beneath her, which was seriously amusing because Bethenny actually managed to be funny in reaction to that).  These days...it's just hard to relate her to that person. She's SO full of herself. She genuinely thinks she invented the term "zero fucks" and also that it's some sort of brilliant expression. I mean she's just too much. 

[archer1267]

Fuzzysox, I recommend watching earlier seasons if you can (not just to see the genuine friendship between Bethenny and Jill, but to see the pinnacle that was Scary Island). I agree with other posters that Bethenny always had a rough edge, but she was more inclined to make potshots at her own expense, too, and that tempered the barbs she shot out at other people. She was more relatable back then, whether she was trying to get uninterested grocery shoppers in Connecticut to try her Bethenny Bakes products, or trying to get her then-boyfriend, Jason I, to discuss moving in together. She was always the Greek chorus in that her talking heads tended to mirror what everyone was thinking, but now she seems to just say this stuff to deliberately provoke people, and without acknowledging what a hot mess she is herself.

[OhGromit]

It was much more satisfying to watch Bethenny, the scrappy underdog, speaking truth to power.  Now that she's in power, her "truthy" moments just come off as bitter attacks.  

Edited April 20, 2016 by OhGromit

[Beden]

 

I loved the Bethenny and Jill friendship in Season 1. It seemed so real and they were fun together. B was the underdog and she was often treated kind of crappy by the other Housewives (Luann especially treated her like she was beneath her, which was seriously amusing because Bethenny actually managed to be funny in reaction to that).  These days...it's just hard to relate her to that person. She's SO full of herself. She genuinely thinks she invented the term "zero fucks" and also that it's some sort of brilliant expression. I mean she's just too much.

What I find kind of interesting is that she's become Jill.

 

The season where Jill invented the massive fight with B to boost her own ratings and screen time (and which eventually led to her firing) is almost exactly what B is doing now...inventing drama under the guise of being bold and honest while upping her own camera time and position at center stage. Sure, Andy is fostering this but damn...it seems that most viewers seem to prefer the earlier seasons when it was more 'real'. Yes, I realize that it's a matter of degree and the fix has always been in; it just wasn't as blatant before. And I preferred the earlier seasons as well, this is so obviously contrived that, frankly, I'd rather watch real, well written drama that this endless shrieking, screaming at each other BS.

Edited April 20, 2016 by Beden

[archer1267]

And I preferred the earlier seasons as well

 

 

I do too, but wonder if what we're seeing now is the downside of divorce and/or an empty nest. When LuAnn and Ramona had their kids at home, they had more of an assortment of story lines (Noel starts his own skateboard business, Avery goes to the prom), more "foils" to play off of. Now, we're just seeing LuAnn and  Ramona without their usual foils and it's kind of...I don't know. Boring? I want to see Ramona push yet another business in her unsubtle Ramona way...I want to see LuAnn cut another single. I don't want to see these women getting drunk ad nauseam and picking fights with each other.

[Petunia13]

No it's across all the HW series. I think the franchise jumped the shark. The new ones like Dallas are diarrhea. And the others are boring or recycling stories into the ground or people are being too stagey & hammy.

I would not be surprised if all the RH shows were done in 5 yrs. Then again the tired stupidass Real World is going on its like 40th season.

[BlackMamba]

From that dailymail link...

Her face...WHAAA!?

[coops]

I didn't have Bravo back when Bethany and Jill were on but now that I do I'm having a hardtime understanding WHY anyone would keep Bethany around as a friend??

Can you guys explain it to me?

Bethenny never used to be like she is now. In a odd twist of fate Bethenny is actually becoming more and more like Jill Zarin, the very person she severed ties with because Jill was so awful.

[Pollock]

I kinda wish this topic was named Bethenny Frankel: Skinny cow.

[StevieRocks]

I swear--if I see SKINNY COW--thank you, Pollock--sit across from someone who is speaking and act as if she is stunned, bored, thunderstruck, and flabbergasted that the person is going on and on--one more time, I'm going to scream. Skinny Cow NEVER shuts up, and the moment someone begins to participate in the conversation, she gets a look on her face as if the person is acting like a manic mental patient. No, Skinny Cow--you don't get to deliver endless soliloquies like Hamlet while the others just laugh, guffaw, and marvel at how brilliant and edgy you are. Shaddup.

[KFC]

I wonder if Bethenny ever looks at the current ratings and considers reversing her "No Jill Zarin" edict on RHONY. I mean, goodness knows B holds all the power cards at Bravo, it's not like much-maligned Jill could ever really do anything to harm her and you'd have to think the curiosity factor alone would pump up the viewership.

Edited April 24, 2016 by KFC