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S03.E10: Regarding the Death of Whitney McAdams

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AimingforYoko

AimingforYoko

  On 3/19/2025 at 12:53 AM, fastiller said:

Hey Ormewood, what do you got against musicals?

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I thought it was more that he's heard his kid sing.

I like the conceit of Will's conscience screaming at him in the form of an 18-year old mean girl.

Also, nice touch by Will with the Thompson Twins track from Sixteen Candles.

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Jodithgrace

Jodithgrace

This is the first season of this show that I’ve watched, though I’ve read the books. Is this the first time that Will has “seen dead people,” or has he communicated with murder victims before? I thought maybe his vision of Whitney was brought on by his guilt in the whole Jeremy affair, which was truly not his fault, though he does have to tell Faith, sooner rather than later. 
 

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possibilities

possibilities

No, he's had "intrusive thoughts" and "visions" before, but I don't think they are implying it's a supernatural ability. I think it's a way he processes things internally. And it doesn't happen a lot. IIRC, this is the third time, and it's always when he's under a lot of really intense stress (more than usual) and he's trying not to fall apart. 

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statsgirl

statsgirl

So Elijah is the choreographer.  Nice. Faith deserves some fun.

I ended up feeling sorry for Whitney by the end of the episode. Well done because I really disliked her early on.

When Ormewood said that he's glad that the play isn't a musical, I thought that they were going to have Jophielle (Cooper) sing. She sang a lot of General Hospital and the board mostly hated it.

Family/friend times at the Ormewood house was nice.

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cardigirl

cardigirl

Well, at least Betty was in this episode.

The show has done this premise before, where the dead person is in Will's head. I must have been tired and grumpy because it annoyed me more than anything in this episode. 

I liked the "B" part of the episode with Angie and Ormewood + kids involved in solving their case. In the real world I would hope the children would not be as involved as those two were, but it was done in a somewhat light manner.

I'm concerned about Will and Marion. Both so happy and everything perfect between them. Isn't that always the setup before disaster strikes?

Not my favorite episode.

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mjc570

mjc570

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  On 3/17/2025 at 12:15 PM, fastiller said:

Same Q from me.  I'm looking at the cast page on IMDb and I'm seeing a character named Elijah Buckley (played by Darius Jordan Lee) in one ep. 

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Isn't he the choreographer for the deb dance?

Not a favorite episode (aside from adorable Betty, of course) - not a fan of the spoiled, super annoying teen.  And yes, I understand, as Will himself helpfully pointed out, she is a representation of his own thoughts.  One thing I didn't understand - why Will now thinks she is a hero (or some term he used) because she was going to investigate the pills? She was the one who publicized her former friend's hospitalization, was a total bully etc.  So all of that was swept aside because of one intended good action?

Added: Loved the refrigerator murder board.  

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

It is not the first time for the visions. It is a little different from other shows where the detective tries to get into the head of/mind space of the perpetrator where as Will Trent channels the victim, typically when he is extremely stressed. The victim tends to challenge Will to find the answer to questions they pose based on things that Will has observed, that are bothering his subconscious.

  On 3/19/2025 at 3:19 PM, mjc570 said:
  On 3/17/2025 at 12:15 PM, fastiller said:

Same Q from me.  I'm looking at the cast page on IMDb and I'm seeing a character named Elijah Buckley (played by Darius Jordan Lee) in one ep. 

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Isn't he the choreographer for the deb dance?

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Yes, the choreographer for the deb dance.

fishcakes

fishcakes

Elijah is very good-looking, but his acting reminds me of Jon Lovitz's Master Thespian. Maybe he'll get better.

Not spoiled at all, but I'm wondering if Marion's husband is going to be the big bad. She's only talked about her marriage twice and both times she acted cagey, as if there was a whole story there beyond the marriage just not working out. Anyway, I'm sensing trauma is in store for Will, poor guy. I did like the 16 Candles homage at the end.

  On 3/19/2025 at 3:19 PM, mjc570 said:

One thing I didn't understand - why Will now thinks she is a hero (or some term he used) because she was going to investigate the pills? She was the one who publicized her former friend's hospitalization, was a total bully etc.  So all of that was swept aside because of one intended good action?

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I wondered about that too, but I think the friend's perceptions weren't all that accurate since her stepdad was drugging and gaslighting her. She was wrong about why Whitney was looking through her purse, so she could have been wrong about whether or why Whitney told others about the hospitalization. But idk; I'm just making things up to try to make it make sense. The part that confused me was how Whitney got a video of stepdad and Dance School lady having sex. The whole plot was overly complicated.

I really liked the sandwich murder case though. Killing someone over something so stupid as they got the last sandwich seems so much more true to life than the main case. And I loved when they caught the guy; he runs in one direction with Angie and Ormewood following until they run out of frame and then he comes back in the other direction and they're still behind him; then Ormewood lifts the guy by his collar and puts him on the ground. It was cute, like a live action Looney Tunes.

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Chaos Theory

Chaos Theory

I think  Will hadn’t talked to dead people since season 1.   It was one of the best aspects of the show and I didn’t realize how much I missed it.   It  is a fun conceit for the show.    And no he isn’t actually talking to dead people.   I always thought it was a way to get into his thought process without a VO.  

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marceline

marceline

I liked this episode a lot.

I love the background we got on Faith. Her discussion of what it was like to be tossed out of the Belle's because she was pregnant made me think back to the episode where her mom got kidnapped and showed us the memories of Jeremy's birth.

I'm usually ambivalent about child actors but the ones playing Ormewood's kids are excellent. However, I don't like how Ormewood exposes his kids to his cases. It doesn't feel right.

Grateful for an episode free of Angie's love life. She's so good with Ormewood's kids. I'm curious what the living situation is at Ormewood's. It's him, Faith and the kids part time. Who is sleeping where? Faith got dressed for the ball somewhere. Does she have a private bathroom?

I like Elijah for Faith. When she and Will were interviewing Elijah and Faith asked "Why would a 17 year old girl invite you over?" I thought, "Seriously? Look at him."

That triple chopped cheese burger sandwich sounds DISGUSTING.

Hey Betty! Good to see you, girl!

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milkyaqua

milkyaqua

I was more disturbed by Angie being the grown up with the kids at the restaurant.  Agree, that Ormewood probably needs to find another way to work at home when his kids are around.

Will's visible conscious is just saying what most of us have said.  He needs to tell Faith about Jeremy.  And of course Jeremy is freaking out which should surprise no on so the sooner Faith knows, maybe a complete trainwreck can be avoided.

Glad to see Betty and the glimpse of Amanda.

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DearEvette

DearEvette

Will's inner conscious as played by Whitney was fun.  The actress was excellent playing off of Ramon.  I loved her dry asides.

"You were going to MIT"

"A dream deferred.. but anyway.."

She had a lot of good one-liners in there.

The actress that played Tasha plays teenaged Gabi on Found.  I head wank that Mark-Paul Gosselaar told her to say 'hey' to everybody for him.

Ok, Elijah. I see you.  I already like him better than Luke (but still wish Faith  had actually had a romance with the Dr.  He was all kinds of hot!). But Elijah is a snack.  Faith looked gorgeous in that dress!

Ahhh...memories.  I was a deb when I was in Jack and Jill.   I had the white dress, the ball and everything.  That is one part of African American culture tv rarely shows. 

I actually liked Marion this episode.

The Ormewood/Angie B-plot was light (for a murder). I liked it.

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tennisgurl

tennisgurl

Of course Ghost Whitney was lying, all dogs do absolutely go to heaven, especially sweet perfect little girls like Betty. I thought that this episode was pretty good, Will hasn't been stalked by a dead person in awhile and I liked the actress playing Whitney. She might have been a massive mean girl but she was only a teenager who could have become a better person with time and maturity and it seemed like she did try to help her friend, even if she was also pretty shitty to her. 

Did the deb teacher and the step-dad plot the murder and the drugging together or were those separate things? The murder itself got a bit confusing, but I liked exploring African American debutant culture, its not something you see a lot of in the media. 

Will and Marian are so happy now, I keep waiting for something to go wrong. I know that Marian isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I like her alright, she was very down to stop their date to go arrest a murderer and explore a crime scene, so that is a point in her favor. 

The Ormewood/Angie/Ormewood's kids plot was fun, even with an innocent man being murdered for no reason. Angie and Amanda are both really good with the kids and I liked the kids in this one. 

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

  On 3/19/2025 at 6:34 PM, Chaos Theory said:

I think  Will hadn’t talked to dead people since season 1.   It was one of the best aspects of the show and I didn’t realize how much I missed it.   It  is a fun conceit for the show.    And no he isn’t actually talking to dead people.   I always thought it was a way to get into his thought process without a VO.  

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I am pretty sure Will was seeing dead people in the episodes surrounding "S02.E08: Why Is Jack’s Arm Bleeding", he was majorly hallucinating around then.

Ormewood slam dunks another criminal, it is starting to become his trademark and always entertains.

So I am guessing that the debutante lady and Tasha's stepfather Gavin were in the black car that was spotted and Tasha was never anywhere near Whitney McAdams house, but blacked out from the medication.

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

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  On 3/19/2025 at 4:44 PM, fishcakes said:

The part that confused me was how Whitney got a video of stepdad and Dance School lady having sex.

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Didn't Will say that perhaps Tasha said she could still smell Whitney at her house because Whitney had been secretly going there to spy on the step-father to get evidence he was drugging Tasha? I assume she caught them then.

Elijah/Faith seemed to move a bit fast but he's hot (I agree about his acting though @fishcakes) and they were cute together so I hope IMDb is wrong and he'll be in more episodes. If this is another case of someone being interested in Faith and then being gone, I'll be annoyed. I'm still holding out for Faith/Ormewood though tbh.

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Atlanta

Atlanta

Loved the 'goofy' murder of plot B (if a murder can be called that) and loved Faith's yellow gown.

Please no more Will talking to dead people. Please no Sixth Sense. LOL He looked like a lunatic. Also, still not feeling the Marion/Gina Rodriguez character. Something about her makes me want to put the TV on mute when she's on. 

At least we had Betty, our queen! Forget the debs, she is the belle of the ball! :D

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truthaboutluv

truthaboutluv

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  On 3/19/2025 at 8:26 PM, DearEvette said:

Will's inner conscious as played by Whitney was fun.  The actress was excellent playing off of Ramon.  I loved her dry asides.

"You were going to MIT"

"A dream deferred.. but anyway.."

She had a lot of good one-liners in there.

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I hate to say it, but I cracked up when she responded to Tasha's sharing what she did to her by saying, "oh God, she's still on about this. Hello, I'm dead - you won!"

  On 3/19/2025 at 8:44 PM, tennisgurl said:

Did the deb teacher and the step-dad plot the murder and the drugging together or were those separate things?

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I think it started as a plan simply to drug and have Tasha be deemed incompetent to have access and control over her money.

But Whitney found out when she began snooping around because she suspected the stepdad was drugging Tasha. And so they had to kill her. 

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NJRadioGuy

NJRadioGuy

  On 3/20/2025 at 1:34 AM, Dowel Jones said:

Except they go to dog heaven, which is about 2 blocks downwind from people heaven.  🥰

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Hyder Simpson would strongly disagree with that sentiment. Twilight Zone, S03E19, Jan. 1962. The Hunt. The second best episode of that entire series after Night Of The Meek with Art Carney.

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EtheltoTillie

EtheltoTillie

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  On 3/19/2025 at 8:26 PM, DearEvette said:

Will's inner conscious as played by Whitney was fun.  The actress was excellent playing off of Ramon.  I loved her dry asides.

"You were going to MIT"

"A dream deferred.. but anyway.."

She had a lot of good one-liners in there.

The actress that played Tasha plays teenaged Gabi on Found.  I head wank that Mark-Paul Gosselaar told her to say 'hey' to everybody for him.

Ok, Elijah. I see you.  I already like him better than Luke (but still wish Faith  had actually had a romance with the Dr.  He was all kinds of hot!). But Elijah is a snack.  Faith looked gorgeous in that dress!

Ahhh...memories.  I was a deb when I was in Jack and Jill.   I had the white dress, the ball and everything.  That is one part of African American culture tv rarely shows. 

I actually liked Marion this episode.

The Ormewood/Angie B-plot was light (for a murder). I liked it.

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Thanks for that info about Found. I thought I recognized her but I had stopped watching Found quite a while ago. Great catch about MPG. 

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Orbert

Orbert

I liked that we got a follow-up to Jeremy, he's scared, freaking out a bit, but it was just the one scene to let us know that they haven't dropped the storyline.  With both an A and B case, plus The Adventures of the Ormewood Family (and Friends and Colleagues), it didn't make sense to devote too much time to it.

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DearEvette

DearEvette

  On 3/19/2025 at 4:44 PM, fishcakes said:

 

  On 3/19/2025 at 3:19 PM, mjc570 said:

One thing I didn't understand - why Will now thinks she is a hero (or some term he used) because she was going to investigate the pills? She was the one who publicized her former friend's hospitalization, was a total bully etc.  So all of that was swept aside because of one intended good action?

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I wondered about that too, but I think the friend's perceptions weren't all that accurate since her stepdad was drugging and gaslighting her. She was wrong about why Whitney was looking through her purse, so she could have been wrong about whether or why Whitney told others about the hospitalization.

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I think when Will said 'You are a Hero!' he was giddy about having had a breakthrough with the because that was one of my favorite Will/Whitney interaction.  They did that hand slapping thing and Will said:

"Whitney, you have hidden depths!'

"Did someone say Redemption Arc?"

But yeah, I think the resolution of the murder put into perspective a lot of what they learned about Whitney especially from Tasha.

Up until Tasha, the most negative stuff about Whitney was your basic Queen Bee High school girl stuff.  Gossiping, trash talking.  The guy she was trying to date said she had a lot of enemies because she wouldn't let people play in her face and gave  smoke if she got it. Which... isn't necessarily a bad thing imo.  And one girl was mad at Whitney because she posted a selfie where the other girls' eyes were closed and she didn't like the lighting.  To me that doesn't rise to the level of monster, just penny ante high school bullshit.

But when we get to Tasha, it sounds more ominous. She said she confided in Whitney that she had been in the Hospital  and then the next day 'everybody knew about it.' She assumed it was Whitney who told.  And then she said she saw Whitney going through her bag.

And then there is Ms. Potts who told Will that Whitney was blackmailing her to let her stay in Belle Rose.

But in the aftermath of the finding her murderers, it debunked totally the worst things Whitney is accused of: trashing Tasha's reputation and bullying her, possibly stealing from her, and blackmail.   If Ms. Potts and Tasha's stepfather were trying to get a conservatorship over her, then it is in their best interests to make people believe she is unstable.  And Since Ms Potts was around the kids all the time, she could have easily started the rumor.  I don't think anything Tasha said about Whitney could be considered reliable because the stepfather gaslit Tasha when it came to Whitney, constantly poisoning her opinion of Whitney. And after Whitney was murdered, they went so far as to try to cast suspicion on Tasha of  Whitney's murder.  

And we found out that  Ms Potts lied that Whitney was blackmailing her.  Will, Faith and Amanda realize that Whitney had been snooping around Tasha's  house.  That is most likely when Whitney discovered Ms. Potts and the Stepfather's affair (and possibly their plan?) and recorded them having sex.  So instead of blackmail about the fake college transcript, she actually confronted Ms. Potts with her suspicions that she and the stepfather were drugging Tasha.

I also think it is interesting that Elijah, who was also in the position to know a lot about the students he was around all the time, had nothing negative to say about Whitney.  But then again, the man was smart enough to insist that the door to his office stayed open all the time.  LOL.

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Sarah 103

Sarah 103

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  On 3/20/2025 at 10:00 AM, EtheltoTillie said:

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a mention of Jack and Jill or its like on TV, let alone rarely. That was a great choice for plot. 

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Everybody Hates Chris and the reboot of Wonder Years both did episodes on organizations similar to Jack and Jill. They were called something else in each series, but it was that kind of organization. 

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

  On 3/21/2025 at 1:36 AM, Chaser said:

When Will’s Girlfriend isn’t on screen, I completely forget she exists. Anyone else have that problem?

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I really thought that Will was going to take Marion to the ball since they were already appropriately dressed and it was a special date. Will took her to the crime scene, he could have taken her to the arrest.

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