S03.E04: Hide or Seek

[Snazzy Daisy]

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Looking for a change of scenery, Jaclyn drags the girls to a neighboring resort on Valentin’s suggestion but fails to find the young party vibe she hoped for.

On Chloe’s boyfriend’s luxury yacht, Piper asks for Lochlan’s support before sharing a life update with the family, and Rick finally opens up to Chelsea about his past.

Air Date: Mar 09, 2025

 

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[Snazzy Daisy]

[Dminches]

At least things are starting to happen.

Saxon is definitely the best character this season. He is a hoot to watch.

 

[SeanC]

I don't know why Ratliff is so worried. All he has to do is flatter Trump on social media to get the investigation shut down.

[Is Everyone Gone]

Jaclyn's reaction at seeing women of a certain age at the beach was hilarious. Like dude, they're just older women. She acted like she saw rotting corpses.

And I guess Tim is looking at serious jail-time.

Edited Monday at 02:14 AM by Is Everyone Gone

[Jaundiced Eye]

It seems that Greg had no problem accessing Tanya's funds. Talk about living the high life!

[Mindthinkr]

20 minutes ago, Dminches said:

At least things are starting to happen.

Barely. I mean that in more ways than one. 

[Jaundiced Eye]

Am I the only one who didn't realize that the actor playing Ratliff was Lucius Malfoy in the Harry Potter series? I guess I didn't recognize him without the blonde hair!

2 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Barely. I mean that in more ways than one. 

I was just reflecting on how Mike White ensures we see at least one penis per season. 

The Thai people really don't like wealthy Americans, do they? Not that I blame them, but the chasing down of the three women with the Super Soakers was borderline scary. I thought someone would be injured.

[thuganomics85]

Looks like we got our first penis shot of the season!  I'm guessing it might have been a prosthetic instead of Jason Issacs actually letting it all hang out, but either way, this means I'm probably not going to be able to watch Harry Potter again, without not at least making one "wand" joke whenever Lucius Malfoy shows up (or would a Basilisk pun work better?  Hmm...) 

Anyway, tonight's episode was basically Mike White figuring out the way to make things even more awkward and uncomfortable for everyone is to take over half of the cast out of the hotel and put them on a boat in the middle of the ocean.  Yeah, there are only so many places you can go to avoid the influx of rich assholes and likely criminals populating that ship!  So crazy that; outside of Piper and Chelsea being their normal likable selves; I was actually vibing with Victoria of all people and her fear and disgust with having to socialize with that lot.  Hey, she might be a pill-popping socialite with questionable parenting skills and doesn't see how shady her own husband is, but she was right on the money here!

 Tim is managing to spiral out in record time.  Man already seems more out of than his wife whose been drugging it up for years.  And while none of the options seems great, it really feels like like he is going at it the worst way possible.  Not saying it would have been ethical, but as soon as he heard about the investigation, he should have moved the majority of his funds somewhere that it couldn't be touched, cooperate with the everything, and he'd probably get off on probation.  And even if he did serve jail instead, he probably would serve at a prison that might not be a cakewalk, but would be better than what most would get.  You are a rich asshole, Tim!  Take advantage of it!

As figured, Rick is after the hotel owner's husband because he believes he was who killed his father.  Of course, since he mentioned that they "never found him", that seems like a clear sign that his father actually isn't dead, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Not sure what Valentin's endgame was with sending the girlfriend group to the hotel with retirees and then the streets where citizens seemed to be going out of their way to spray them with water guns.  Trolling them or a legit attempt at flirting?  Either way, I was dying at Jaclyn/Michelle Monaghan's overly-disgusted reaction to all of the old people.  You'd think she was in a leper colony or something!

Belinda finds out what Greg likely did to Tanya, he is looking into her and knows about her son, and they are both currently giving each other stink-eyes and stare-downs.  Fight, Fight!

Chelsea busting out a Princess Bride quote is just another reason why I kind of adore her and don't want her anywhere near Rick and his bullshit when this is all said and done.

Just when I think Saxon can't get any worse, he comes in with lines like "These girls are thirsty for some young fucking cum!"  You are the worst, Saxon!  The worst!

Looks like we got a gun in play now, with the hotel wanting Gaitek to learn how to use one, Gaitek doing what he does best and leaving it unsupervised and unlocked after being distracted by Mook in her dancing outfit (in his defense she did look gorgeous), and it is now in the hands of good old Tim!  Contemplating suicide is certainly a possibility for his action, but I suspect this is only the beginning.

[DrSpaceman73]

1 hour ago, SeanC said:

I don't know why Ratliff is so worried. All he has to do is flatter Trump on social media to get the investigation shut down.

Sadly true. Convince everyone he is a victim. 

It made me think of trading places when Eddie Murphy says the best way to hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people 

Valentin was definitely screwing wirh those women for whatever reason with where he sent them amd im guessing it will continue with his friends. 

[txhorns79]

Who has Jason Isaacs' penis on their Bingo card? 

7 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Valentin was definitely screwing wirh those women for whatever reason with where he sent them amd im guessing it will continue with his friends. 

He's a hotel employee first.  If he sent them somewhere wild or otherwise questionable, he could end up fired, so he initially sent them to a safe place.  

 

44 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Looks like we got a gun in play now, with the hotel wanting Gaitek to learn how to use one, Gaitek doing what he does best and leaving it unsupervised and unlocked after being distracted by Mook in her dancing outfit

They should have fired him after the robbery.  He's terrible at his job.  

I'm terrified for Belinda.  Greg is dangerous, and I have zero doubts he would kill her if she got in his way. 

[aghst]

1 hour ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

It seems that Greg had no problem accessing Tanya's funds. Talk about living the high life!

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I'm terrified for Belinda.  Greg is dangerous, and I have zero doubts he would kill her if she got in his way. 

The articles Belinda read said that authorities wanted to question Greg but he was not cooperating.

He has a lot to lose if Belinda suspects him of having a role in Tanya's death and goes to the authorities.

So she should be getting out, going to authorities and telling her son not to come to that resort.

 

1 hour ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

 

The Thai people really don't like wealthy Americans, do they? Not that I blame them, but the chasing down of the three women with the Super Soakers was borderline scary. I thought someone would be injured.

Read on another forum that there is a particular town where that's a tradition and everyone is squirted.  Not sure if they only target foreigners or anyone who happens to be on the street.

Maybe Valentin knew that but in any case, looks like the women are ready to hook up, particularly Jaclyn, whose boyfriend hasn't been calling her back.

 

In  the Inside the Episode, the actors playing Gaitok and Mook said that Mook wants to be with a guy who's got a big job, which is why she keeps asking him about a promotion.

Gaitok feels uneasy about carrying a gun, which Mook sees and thinks it means he's getting a promotion.

Meanwhile, she inadvertently distracts him, potentially leading to a disaster.

 

Looks like all the guest wanted to get away from the resort in this episode.  Well Saxon is hoping to get lucky and Jaclyn just wants to let loose because of her growing realization that her boyfriend is dumping her.  Rick of course wants revenge or his idea of justice.  Piper may realize that Thailand may not be the place she was seeking for her spiritual journey, though once she and the rest of the Ratliffs find out what Tim's been up to, moving to Thailand may not be an option for her.

Victoria is right about the shady types on that yacht, sees people who would be in trouble with the law back home.  Of course, she can't conceive that Tim may also have engaged in illegal acts because she thinks he's a Boy Scout.  Tim may not be chasing women half his age but certainly was willing to chase ill-gotten gains.

[Irlandesa]

3 hours ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

The Thai people really don't like wealthy Americans, do they? Not that I blame them, but the chasing down of the three women with the Super Soakers was borderline scary. I thought someone would be injured.

I think it started when one of the women bent down and patted the little girl on the head.  She decided to target them and others joined in.  They might have been okay had that not happened and they didn't react so much over being shot with water.

1 hour ago, aghst said:

Jaclyn just wants to let loose because of her growing realization that her boyfriend is dumping her.

I think it's her husband.

These three women are making the season for me.  The little look when Jac admitted she hadn't heard from her husband and her realization of horror when she realized everyone else at the pool was older cracked me up.

[Refresh]

1 hour ago, aghst said:

Read on another forum that there is a particular town where that's a tradition and everyone is squirted.  Not sure if they only target foreigners or anyone who happens to be on the street.

Many years ago I was in Chiang Mai on Songkran and the water squirting intensity is real. I’m not and wasn't wealthy (except in relative global economic terms because I’m an American traveler) —  I and my friends got soaked. Big time. So I’m likely to have read this scene slightly differently. 

My take was they were targets because they didn’t want to get wet. Secondarily sure, they’re foreigners which makes them stand out and they were “unarmed”. If they had squirt guns it would’ve been different. We also hid in a convenience store for a few minutes just for a break from it! 
 

That said, theres intentional storytelling bookends w those water guns and the silver gun at the resort. 
 

Gaitok shouldn’t be in security he needs a role in hospitality. 

[Harvey]

Another super slow episode where barely anything happens. I hope that Saxon saying: "things are about to get crazy!" is a message to the audience and things will start to pick up next week. We are entering the 2nd half of the season after all. 

Prediction: Saxon will not succeed in attaining sex on the boat but he and his brother will both drink a lot. This will lead to their incest stuff happening at the end of episode 5 or in episode 6.

[CarpeFelis]

6 hours ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Am I the only one who didn't realize that the actor playing Ratliff was Lucius Malfoy in the Harry Potter series? I guess I didn't recognize him without the blonde hair!

And for us science fiction fans, he was Captain Lorca in Star Trek: Discovery and Victoria was Dr. Smith in the Lost in Space reboot series.

As soon as they gave Gaitok the gun, all I could think was that they should have fired him, not given him a damn gun! Idiot leaves the guard shack with the gun not only not locked up, but lying out in plain sight. Oy vey.

After seeing Greg watching Saxon and Chloe I wondered if Saxon might end up being the person who ultimately gets shot. And when he was looking Belinda up and came across the picture of her and Zion, his expression changed. Was he now thinking she’d be missed if he killed her? Or that he could blackmail her by threatening Zion?

Anyone else thinking Valentin’s two friends did the robbery?

[Snazzy Daisy]

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[Fake Jan Brady]

1 hour ago, CarpeFelis said:

As soon as they gave Gaitok the gun, all I could think was that they should have fired him, not given him a damn gun! Idiot leaves the guard shack with the gun not only not locked up, but lying out in plain sight. Oy vey.

Plus he left the thing that blocks the road wide open. Didn't learn a thing from the robbery. 🙄

I just want to know how the gal pals escaped the shop; those kids meant business.

Now that Chekhov's gun is with the Ratliff family, I'm beginning to think a spiralling Victoria is good suspect.

[Madding crowd]

Thoughts on this episode: Saxon is crass and annoying but at least he is trying to have fun on vacation. The rest of the family just mopes around. Tim has a reason but he was like that before he found out about his work situation. 
Once he knew things were happening, a guy like him would be moving money or doing something besides ignoring the situation. Valentin seems to be purposely sending the women to places they won’t like. What is he setting up? Also worried for Belinda and her son. I don’t like the actress who plays Chelsea-she over emotes constantly. And if I were a young woman who wanted to be with a unattractive older man for money (Chelsea and Chloe), I would at least pick one who occasionally smiled and was fun.

[DrSpaceman73]

4 hours ago, CarpeFelis said:

And for us science fiction fans, he was Captain Lorca in Star Trek: Discovery and Victoria was Dr. Smith in the Lost in Space reboot series.

As soon as they gave Gaitok the gun, all I could think was that they should have fired him, not given him a damn gun! Idiot leaves the guard shack with the gun not only not locked up, but lying out in plain sight. Oy vey.

After seeing Greg watching Saxon and Chloe I wondered if Saxon might end up being the person who ultimately gets shot. And when he was looking Belinda up and came across the picture of her and Zion, his expression changed. Was he now thinking she’d be missed if he killed her? Or that he could blackmail her by threatening Zion?

Anyone else thinking Valentin’s two friends did the robbery?

I think gaitok will get fired for losing the gun and he knows it. 

Literal chekovs gun here. 

1 hour ago, Madding crowd said:

Thoughts on this episode: Saxon is crass and annoying but at least he is trying to have fun on vacation. The rest of the family just mopes around. Tim has a reason but he was like that before he found out about his work situation. 
Once he knew things were happening, a guy like him would be moving money or doing something besides ignoring the situation. Valentin seems to be purposely sending the women to places they won’t like. What is he setting up? Also worried for Belinda and her son. I don’t like the actress who plays Chelsea-she over emotes constantly. And if I were a young woman who wanted to be with a unattractive older man for money (Chelsea and Chloe), I would at least pick one who occasionally smiled and was fun.

True about Saxon. In fact now that you point it out that's the unifying theme of these groups.  A bunch of low key or dinners with one person looking for fun. That family , the three women,  the young female older man couples.  

[kitkat343]

10 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

I was actually vibing with Victoria of all people and her fear and disgust with having to socialize with that lot.  Hey, she might be a pill-popping socialite with questionable parenting skills and doesn't see how shady her own husband is, but she was right on the money here!

 

Just when I think Saxon can't get any worse, he comes in with lines like "These girls are thirsty for some young fucking cum!"  You are the worst, Saxon!  The worst!

 

Victoria has been awful, but she was right about the boat and also only one of her three children - Saxon - is the kind of complete douchebag one might expect from her.  The other two are remarkably impressive, given how much of a mess their parents appear to be (being impressive on this show usually just requires not being a douchebag, but the daughter actually seems to notice how much pain the dad is in and cares about that and the son seems genuinely charming).   On this show, compared to the other selfish narcissists running round everywhere both children would be candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize.   Two decent children would indicate at least a possibility of some potential in Victoria.

Edited Monday at 01:36 PM by kitkat343

[overtherainbow]

Gaitok definitely should’ve already been trained to carry since he is guarding the entry and exits to an ultra ritzy resort with wealthy high profile guests and seems to be by himself most of the time. I am somewhat relieved it was Timothy who ended up with the gun and not Greg, but that’s not saying a lot. He’s going to do something to keep Belinda quiet regardless and she’s not exactly making it subtle that she knows his identity. Hopefully her son Zion will protect her. 

Rick has become surprisingly sympathetic. I love Walton Goggins, so it wasn't hard, but his gruffness is charming and now we know more of his backstory and why he wants to hunt down the husband. I wonder if Timothy is going to stay in Thailand and go into business with one of the shady boat dudes. He's pretty much out of options. Piper is already planning to become a monk, she just needs to break the news to her parents. 

The yacht scene was fun. I have to say Parker Posey is nailing the elitist southern attitude of if you’re not in my immediate social circle you don’t matter despite being surrounded by rich people. Lol. She was almost normal for a second there. 

Have to say I love Aimee Lou Wood (Chelsea)'s teeth. They're endearing and make her unique in a world of fake veneers. Also lots of Brits have buck teeth, they're more common than you'd think. 

[Snazzy Daisy]

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“Shit’s about to get crazy.”

TWL has decided to split one day over 2 episodes. They usually don’t do this. Something terrible is going to happen during the full-moon party.

Becoming old is Jaclyn’s biggest insecurity especially with her younger husband.

Gaitok is the WORST security ever!!!

Well, Valentin, Aleksei and Vlad were definitely involved in the hotel robbery. The guy with the snake tattoo went inside to grab things and the bald guy was the getaway driver.

A crazy theory — Khun Sritala is a “lady boy” and she is Rick’s father, not Jim Hollinger. 😆

[kitkat343]

7 hours ago, Irlandesa said:

I think it started when one of the women bent down and patted the little girl on the head.  She decided to target them and others joined in.  They might have been okay had that not happened and they didn't react so much over being shot with water.

 

I live in a community with cicadas every few years.  We were at my older son's school and the other children were playing with cicadas.  Another mom is terrified of bugs, and once the kids realized that they started chasing her with the cicadas.   She was really upset, but it was better her than me because I'm from NY and used to kill cockroaches by stomping on them when I taught in the NYC public school system and would have stomped on any cicada they put on me (my students were really impressed I could kill cockroaches and not miss a beat in my lesson). But since I didn't react when they brought a cicada near me, they moved on to the mom who screamed and ran away from them and chased her with it (and no it wasn't my kid or I would have intervened)  

[DrSpaceman73]

29 minutes ago, kitkat343 said:

Victoria has been awful, but she was right about the boat and also only one of her three children - Saxon - is the kind of complete douchebag one might expect from her.  The other two are remarkably impressive, given how much of a mess their parents appear to be (being impressive on this show usually just requires not being a douchebag, but the daughter actually seems to notice how much pain the dad is in and cares about that and the son seems genuinely charming).   On this show, compared to the other selfish narcissists running round everywhere both children would be candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize.   Two decent children would indicate at least a possibility of some potential in Victoria.

I think she's right about the people for the wrong reasons though.  She just sees them as different and looks down on them for that reason. And she's only right really about the men.   The women other than questionable taste in men, and being gold diggers (which in truth, isn't the mom as well) don't seem like bad people. 

 

Also she doesn't seem to recognize her husband is of the same ilk as them he just puts on a better social face with the life and family and country club. OK no younger women he lusts after but otherwise any difference ?  

[partofme]

9 hours ago, aghst said:

Victoria is right about the shady types on that yacht, sees people who would be in trouble with the law back home.

And yet she left her bag unguarded.  She’s lucky her pills were the only thing stolen.  

[Haleth]

This almost felt like a penultimate episode with the drama ramping up for everyone:

• Desperate Tim gets a gun. 
• The boys are partying on a killer’s boat.
• Greg is contemplating doing something about Belinda or her son.
• The 3 friends are off property with some fairly questionable men (who probably just robbed the hotel).
• Rick is on his way to confront who he thinks is his father’s killer (but will probably turn out to actually be his father).  

And we are only half way thru the season. 

[RunningMarket]

9 hours ago, Refresh said:

Many years ago I was in Chiang Mai on Songkran and the water squirting intensity is real. I’m not and wasn't wealthy (except in relative global economic terms because I’m an American traveler) —  I and my friends got soaked. Big time. So I’m likely to have read this scene slightly differently. 

My take was they were targets because they didn’t want to get wet. Secondarily sure, they’re foreigners which makes them stand out and they were “unarmed”. If they had squirt guns it would’ve been different. We also hid in a convenience store for a few minutes just for a break from it! 

My husband and I were in Bangkok during Songkran many years ago, and it's just as intense. People will throw entire buckets of (freezing cold) water on you! It only takes one before you start to loosen up and enjoy the silliness. The entire country basically has one giant water fight for days. Our pilot even said when we landed, "Welcome to Bangkok. By the way, it's Songkran. You WILL get wet."

[AgathaC]

1 hour ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I think she's right about the people for the wrong reasons though.  She just sees them as different and looks down on them for that reason. And she's only right really about the men.   The women other than questionable taste in men, and being gold diggers (which in truth, isn't the mom as well) don't seem like bad people. 

 

Also she doesn't seem to recognize her husband is of the same ilk as them he just puts on a better social face with the life and family and country club. OK no younger women he lusts after but otherwise any difference ?  

Have they said anything about Victoria’s background (or Tim’s, for that matter?). I grew up in the world of country club Southerners and a lot about her is very familiar. The people I knew/know weren’t as “open” in their speech as she is, but the attitudes were still there. Money actually wasn’t all that important. It was more about your background and what sort of family you came from that determined how people viewed you. You could easily be rich and considered “trashy.” I was part of that world but, thank goodness, my parents saw how ridiculous it all was and raised us better than to perpetuate that way of thinking.

All that to say, if she and/or Tim have good “breeding,” she’s definitely going to see her family as “better.”

[DrSpaceman73]

10 minutes ago, AgathaC said:

Have they said anything about Victoria’s background (or Tim’s, for that matter?). I grew up in the world of country club Southerners and a lot about her is very familiar. The people I knew/know weren’t as “open” in their speech as she is, but the attitudes were still there. Money actually wasn’t all that important. It was more about your background and what sort of family you came from that determined how people viewed you. You could easily be rich and considered “trashy.” I was part of that world but, thank goodness, my parents saw how ridiculous it all was and raised us better than to perpetuate that way of thinking.

All that to say, if she and/or Tim have good “breeding,” she’s definitely going to see her family as “better.”

This episode tim was talking about his dad I believe being a successful business owner and his grandfather was the governor of NC. 

Tim made it clear money is very important to him at least , and by extension her, in his speech after talking to his lawyer. Specifically said so. 

But you're right it's not all about money. Saxon has money, or comes from money, yet all the others there easily see what a douche he is. 

[AgathaC]

Just now, DrSpaceman73 said:

This episode tim was talking about his dad I believe being a successful business owner and his grandfather was the governor of NC. 

Tim made it clear money is very important to him at least , and by extension her, in his speech after talking to his lawyer. Specifically said so. 

But you're right it's not all about money. Saxon has money, or comes from money, yet all the others there easily see what a douche he is. 

Duh, I forgot Tim’s comments!

Money is definitely part of it and losing the money will be a huge blow. Loss of respectability will come along with it.

for people I’ve known who were like Victoria, who “your people” are is at least as important as the money. You can have tons of many but no real background, making you “less than.”

looks like they stand to lose the money and also their “good name.” So they’re doubly screwed!

[iMonrey]

3 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Once he knew things were happening, a guy like him would be moving money or doing something besides ignoring the situation.

His accounts are likely all frozen at this point, but yeah he should have been able to do that at the first hint of trouble.

[DrSpaceman73]

1 minute ago, AgathaC said:

Duh, I forgot Tim’s comments!

Money is definitely part of it and losing the money will be a huge blow. Loss of respectability will come along with it.

for people I’ve known who were like Victoria, who “your people” are is at least as important as the money. You can have tons of many but no real background, making you “less than.”

looks like they stand to lose the money and also their “good name.” So they’re doubly screwed!

They lose everything.  Money name and as he mentioned his business is ruined.  

 

[RunningMarket]

If his assets are frozen, I'm guessing we're leading up to a situation where Tim won't be able to pay the bill for the trip (and possibly Piper's plan to join the year-long course in Thailand.)

[Pi237]

Jacklyn’s disgust with the old people was funny to me because she’s not that much younger.  She had better hair and makeup and Botox injections but hands and neck skin don’t lie. She’s younger, but not as young as she thinks she is which made it even funnier.  They’re definitely being set up. You’d think one of them would’ve picked up on it. 
 

So tired of the trope in movies/tv where someone realizes the person they recognize Is a bad/dangerous person. So, they make sure to glare at them and give themselves away…to someone they think is a murderer. I’m sure she’ll confront him alone, too, in a secluded place.  It’s just not how real people would react. 
 

Not loving this season, to be honest. None of the characters or storylines are all that compelling.  But the scenery is gorgeous and I like some of the actors so, of course, I’ll stick with it. It’s always amusing to see super rich people still be miserable no matter how cushy or gorgeous their surroundings. 
 

By the way, what dose is that lorazepam!? I’ve had a prescription for they for anxiety and it didn’t make me dopey or high. Just a little tired. That dosage must be huge. 

 

[tennisgurl]

I really don't think that the show will go this dark, but everything with Tim and the Ratliffs is giving me serious Murdaugh Murders vibes. The wealthy South Carolina society family with generations of wealth and prestige, the patriarch suddenly getting caught in shady financial dealings and unraveling, the gun that is floating around, Tim musing on how glad he is that his parents are dead so that they cant see this, its giving me some real uncomfortable flashbacks. Again, I don't know if the show will go that dark, but the parallels are so on the nose it seems unlikely to be coincidence. 

If Tim plays ball he can probably just get a few months at a cushy white collar prison and could even keep some assets, but it seems like he's almost more upset about the lose of his career and reputation than anything else. Tim and Victoria are so all about their southern gentry country club vibes that I could see that being the hardest thing for them to deal with. 

I've heard of Sangkran before and it sounds really fun, everyone gets drenched with water regardless of who they are. They probably picked on the ladies more because they were so comically upset about getting water on them, like at a haunted house the people in costumes will focus more on people acting totally scared and screaming because they're getting a reaction. Its classic White Lotus, guests will say they want a cultural experience based on where they are but only a very specific tampered down version of that culture and will totally freak out when exposed to any real culture. 

Gaitok is sweet but terrible at his job. He should really be in hospitality instead, maybe he and Pam should switch jobs. 

[carrps]

14 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

As figured, Rick is after the hotel owner's husband because he believes he was who killed his father.  Of course, since he mentioned that they "never found him", that seems like a clear sign that his father actually isn't dead, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Oo oo oo! Maybe the rich hotel owner is Rick's father. He "disappeared" into the rich guy persona and rejected his former do-goodery.

 

[Pi237]

My bad, the actress who play Jacklyn is only 48! Not that I think she looks old, I just thought she was older than that. She’s gorgeous, of course. Just saying some of the old folks they showed wouldn’t look that old if they had modern hair and Botox. Lol 

[txhorns79]

35 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

My bad, the actress who play Jacklyn is only 48! Not that I think she looks old, I just thought she was older than that.

Yeah, Michelle Monaghan is 49, Leslie Bibb is 50 and Carrie c**** is 44. 

 

4 hours ago, overtherainbow said:

I am somewhat relieved it was Timothy who ended up with the gun and not Greg, but that’s not saying a lot.

I would think Greg probably already has a gun at his disposal.  Someone in his position likely needs to be prepared to leave a place quickly if needed.

[Irlandesa]

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

So tired of the trope in movies/tv where someone realizes the person they recognize Is a bad/dangerous person. So, they make sure to glare at them and give themselves away…to someone they think is a murderer. I’m sure she’ll confront him alone, too, in a secluded place.  It’s just not how real people would react.

I loved the look but the one thing I couldn't reconcile is why Greg would go back to that hotel knowing that Belinda is there.  The last thing I think he'd want is more facetime.

[Mindthinkr]

18 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Edited Monday at 06:33 PM by Mindthinkr
I was way off base.

[Irlandesa]

1 minute ago, Mindthinkr said:

I think he went back to get his go bag to travel to Bangkok. It may or may not include a weapon or device for killing or getting even with the man he believes killed his father. 

That's not Greg.  Greg is Tonya's husband who killed her.  He lives in a home in Thailand and only goes to the hotel to eat/hang out.

The person who thinks the hotel owner killed his dad is Walter Goggins who plays Rick.

[MamaMax]

16 hours ago, Is Everyone Gone said:

Jaclyn's reaction at seeing women of a certain age at the beach was hilarious. Like dude, they're just older women. She acted like she saw rotting corpses.

And I guess Tim is looking at serious jail-time.

I was like "LOL girlfriend just landed in the Real World, and had her "I'm not in LA anymore" moment."

15 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

Sadly true. Convince everyone he is a victim. 

It made me think of trading places when Eddie Murphy says the best way to hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people 

Valentin was definitely screwing wirh those women for whatever reason with where he sent them amd im guessing it will continue with his friends. 

I thought the friends name being Vlad was pretty Anvil-cious. Like naming a German character Adolph. 

1 hour ago, Pi237 said:

 

By the way, what dose is that lorazepam!? I’ve had a prescription for they for anxiety and it didn’t make me dopey or high. Just a little tired. That dosage must be huge. 

 

People can react really differently to benzos.  I can take a .25 mg Xanax (the lowest dose) and feel just fine, while someone I know, it totally knocks her out. Also, He's been popping them like MnMs and  drinking with them so, it 100% tracks that he would be high as a kite and loose as hell. 

[peeayebee]

 

15 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Looks like we got our first penis shot of the season! 

Didn't we see Saxon's in the first ep? Is Lachlan next?

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Not sure what Valentin's endgame was with sending the girlfriend group to the hotel with retirees and then the streets where citizens seemed to be going out of their way to spray them with water guns.  Trolling them or a legit attempt at flirting?

I'm not sure either. He seems pretty innocent. The first beach club or whatever that he sent them to was a lovely location, but of course it was filled with hideous old people. And I don't think he left the friends in the street with any malicious intent. He sees that water gun stuff as traditional and fun. 

I don't know if Valentin's friends are the robbers. I still think it may have been the two bodyguards. 

2 hours ago, Pi237 said:

By the way, what dose is that lorazepam!? I’ve had a prescription for they for anxiety and it didn’t make me dopey or high. Just a little tired. That dosage must be huge. 

Tim seems to be taking two at a time.

I hated that Gaitok left the gun out. DOH! The only reason I can see for Tim to take the gun is to kill himself. I doubt that will happen.

Not sure what else to say about the ep. The scenery as the yacht sailed was gorgeous.

I wonder if the noise Belinda hears is coming from a monkey in her room. I don't know how bold the monkeys are.

 

 

[ahpny]

2 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Jacklyn’s disgust with the old people was funny to me because she’s not that much younger.  She had better hair and makeup and Botox injections but hands and neck skin don’t lie.

This was a fairly transparent and sadly realistic admission of insecurity about  getting old(er). Getting older (and older looking) wouldn't be that much of an issue in a more perfect world, in our imperfect world that can be a career-determining factor, especially for actresses. Men suffer from this too, but to a much lesser degree. As Goldie Hawn's character once said in First Wives Club, there are only three stages in a actress' career: "babe, district attorney, and Driving Miss Daisy." Jacklyn is terrified about aging out of her "district attorney" phase. She saw the "Drivining Miss Daisy" crowd literally surrounding her, and dissociating herself from them is her own mental coping mechanism to mark her place elsewhere, in the "district attorney" phase, and squat there as long as she can.

Also, to me that crowd, including the Brits talking about how the White Lotus was too expensive/exclusive for them even to visit, looked like a realistic and typical large cruise ship crowd. Why Valentine would send the 3 gal pals to such a place is oddly troubling. Because they all seem reasonably intelligent and worldly, why they would be game to spend any time with Valentine his two sketchy friends? That doesn't seem all that credible. 

 

[MamaMax]

I'm willing to bet those old flabby ladies would be WAY more fun than Val's friends will be. I mean, maybe Jacklyn was looking more to get laid than to have a good time.... maybe Val thought she actually wanted to have fun in a non-stuffy, non-stuck up group of people who are having the time of their lives! I (in my early 50s) have had a BLAST on European river boat cruises with a bunch of people who average 15 years older than me who can party me under the table and then get up and walk miles all over Vienna in the morning LOL 

[Andyourlittledog2]

6 hours ago, kitkat343 said:

Two decent children would indicate at least a possibility of some potential in Victoria.

I think it's the opposite. Victoria and Timothy's parenting produced the older son. Then they got bored and mostly ignored their younger two and that's why they are so normal. Saxon is an obnoxious bully to the two younger siblings and their parents barely care. The only thing I see the parents caring about is how the younger two might reflect on them. 

The way Timothy was reacting to his new future and the way he deals with his family made me think family annihilator.  He might kill his family and then disappear into Thailand with any money he can throw together, like Greg/Gary has done. Probably wrong, but that's where my mind goes.

Rick's father being Sritala I could see. I was thinking that the husband might actually be his father but Sritala makes perfect sense. Sritala 'killed' his father when he transitioned into someone else and the mom was bitter about it. I can totally see that being the reveal here. I like Rick. I don't want him to succeed in being a murderer.

Chelsea's teeth. I realize it's real but they bug the hell outta me. That may be shallow but it really really does. It's very distracting. But then Bette Davis' teeth were awful too and she was considered beautiful so maybe it's just me.

 

[AstridM]

34 minutes ago, ahpny said:

Why Valentine would send the 3 gal pals to such a place is oddly troubling.

Such a place? What do you mean by that? The people there seemed perfectly nice and friendly. 🤷‍♀️

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[blackwing]

I thought this was a particularly boring episode, not a lot happened.  Little snippets of life at the resort which weren't all that exciting.

Tim's storyline is dragging on for too long... yes he's in big trouble and his response is to steal his wife's pills.  Just get on with it already.  Either have him exposed or have him get away with it.  Watching him all doped up is just not interesting.  His wife previously offered to give him a Lorazepam, he said he didn't take pills.  But now some are missing from their room.  Husband is acting drunk/doped up, which she attributes to "jet lag".  Why wouldn't any of them have suggested that Dad took the pills?

I truly couldn't care less about Gaitok and Mook.  Gaitok is terrible at his job.  His mooning over Mook has made him distracted, he let the robbers in and now he left the guard house and Tim stole his gun.  How does Gaitok not see that Mook only views him as a friend?  He asked her to marry him and she laughed and said "we haven't even been on a date".  So his response is that "oh we should go on a date".  So incredibly dense.  Why doesn't Mook just tell him that she isn't interested?  

The three friends were interesting for Jaclyn's horrified realisation that Valentin thinks they are old and would fit in with the "old" crowd.  This plus the fact that her 10 years younger husband might be cheating on her must be tough, she's becoming an "aging TV star".

17 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

Looks like we got our first penis shot of the season! 

We saw Patrick Schwarzenegger in the first episode when he went to the bathroom in the room he shares with Lochlan.  I think Sam Nivola is thinking he is next.

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

I loved the look but the one thing I couldn't reconcile is why Greg would go back to that hotel knowing that Belinda is there.  The last thing I think he'd want is more facetime.

I don't understand this either.   He lives in Thailand, he literally could go anywhere to eat but he continues to choose to go to the White Lotus.  His girlfriend made friends with Chelsea but he could tell her to go to the pool alone.  If they want to meet for dinner, they could pick a different restaurant.

He could easily call the WL and inquire about Belinda and ask how long she will be working there and find out that she's only on an exchange program for a month, or whatever.  And avoid the place until she leaves.

16 minutes ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

Rick's father being Sritala I could see. I was thinking that the husband might actually be his father but Sritala makes perfect sense. Sritala 'killed' his father when he transitioned into someone else and the mom was bitter about it. I can totally see that being the reveal here. I like Rick. I don't want him to succeed in being a murderer.

I guess anything could be possible on this show, but Rick doesn't look remotely half-Asian.  Unless Sritala isn't even Asian and its all makeup.

[Irlandesa]

I don't know that we know there's anything inherently wrong with the place Valentine sent them.

It was a pool.  It had a bar.  It looked like it had a view.  The women didn't see anything wrong with it until Jaclyn noticed who the other people there were. 

But she wanted to be sent somewhere that would externally validate her 'cool' and 'younger than her age' status. 

Or he's intentionally mocking her.  Time will tell.