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She does look older than she is but I think that's just her face. There are copious images of her on the internet and one from Miss Teen USA that is from 2013ish. There's consistency to me. I could be mistaken but I stare at faces a lot. It's a hobby. I think her most unusual feature is her lips they're a sort of ducky and sort of Mr. Bill-like (the snl cartoon). That and her heart shaped face. It looks like in pictures that when she has control over a photo she angles her face to presumably make it look less wide. Her face a very weird rotation of unusual, striking and sometimes plain. When her mouth/lips are relaxed I think she's quite beautiful. Honestly, I had similar confusion about Jessica Biel's lips. She is stunning, but I feel like she didn't grow into her lips until at least her mid 20s. It reminds me of the face-switching Shawn Booth convo way back when - sometimes he looked like Ryan Gosling other times like TV's wisecracking alien from the 80s, Alf.

I started adding to this convo but then realized I should quote you. Ooops. I think Nick, Taylor, Michelle Money (though Bachelor Pad was more of her redemption), Lace (sort of), Krystal & Chris all had improved pubic perception from BIP vs. their B. Edited to... nah i'm gonna leave it. :)

To your point, the Bachelor actually needs to juggle 4+ women. But he couldn't even manage relationships/friendships with 4 women still liking him off camera. I certainly don't know how he'd handle 30 on camera. I'm loved the editing where Demi (?) was talking about him and they spliced in dorky images of him dancing. It's sooo funny to me how this show can either be a redemption (Nick for example, maybe Taylor) or a total train wreck of someone's "character". And you never really know who's going to be the stand out.

I get Southern Living magazine. Earlier this year (tail end of Colton's season) I saw this ad for Southern Marsh with model Hannah.

Sure. I'll try to explain what I meant a little better. What I'm trying to get at is that while I thought the joke was funny, I also have a problem with it in that of course SHE can get away with telling it because she's non-threatening and she has privilege. There's a certain level of privilege inherent in who Hannah is. Blond, thin, beauty queen, educated etc. She can speak for herself on National TV without the "burden" of being a representative for groups she's part of. There's no "I need to be a role model because pretty blonds are under represented on TV" or "my words will effect other people like me by me saying them". She only speaks for herself. Since I'm not a man or a person of color, but I am plus size, I'll dig in with that one. I've seen plus size/fat women online who own their sexuality do much less bawdy things than Hannah did and get slammed with not just slut shaming but fat shaming, death threats etc. And they are not treated as individuals but it gets expanded in "all you fat people..." blah blah blah. Granted a bunch of people on this board think she's a slut but as a general vibe it's not that bad. It doesn't seem as bad as what Kaitlin went through IMO. What I'm getting at is that this view (if it's even well formed enough to be called that) is better illustrated with Corinne & Demi types in that they can get away with being obnoxious & brash because they're blond, white & pretty. And I have mixed feelings about WHY she can tell that joke even though I honestly did laugh and found it funny.

Well, I for one, I thought the joke about how they had sex 4x was funny. To me it was a well timed punch back to those people who've been judging her, including Luke and the slut shamers. Yes there are issues. She probably embarrassed Peter, his parents, she raised questions about her F1 choice, what if someone of a different race or gender - or even size - said the same thing (not a thin blond white woman) - all legitimate critiques. \ But at the end of the day, it was Hannah who said it. And on national television and I thought it was kind of awesome.

It’s a lot but I don’t think it’s that unusual among younger folks unfortunately. I had an issue with using like too much when I was in high school. 20+ years ago. I was hardly the worst among my friends though. I only really noticed because my mom told me, and suggested maybe I try not saying it so much. OMG mom! Yeah that didn’t go over well but I eventually worked on being more deliberate and thoughtful when I talked which got rid of it. But “like” wasn’t as widespread in college which was in a different part of the country. It stood out so there was motivation to change. That’s my like, journey of like. There’s something to the idea of it being contagious. I think if people spend a lot of time together they’ll unconsciously mimic speech. Kyras use of it isn’t as bad when she’s alone. Alexandra is maybe the worst offender.

Kyra keeps mentioning not having any time to talk, or things moving fast, or being busy. Excuses related to time. Am I missing something but they don’t really seem all that busy? In fact the opposite, with a lot of down time.

Yamen had swim trunks on I could see the color through the frosted glass. Random thoughts: Caro has a scar on her chest. Vertical right down the center. I know that’s not how they put in fauxboobs but does anyone know what that might be? Open heart surgery? But at her age? Kelsey I just.... sigh. Everything about her seems/is fake except that she doesn’t realize she is.

That picture of old Jed looks like my childhood soccer coach. I can’t unsee that! Bachelor on Stage... will I get to dance with someone on a tiny pedestal? If so I’m soooo there! Seriously though. WHY? Here to make friends podcast made a great point this week: now that there are so many hot young people dating shows, the bachelor/ette should focus on not being another. Pick slightly older or more mature leads who are actually serious. It doesn’t need to compete.

If it was me I might even add a few.... like...Remember Garrett? When we naked bungee jumped? Lil Garrett slipped in. Is that what you mean by a slip? Cuz it’s happenink. Or something. 😉 I don’t see Hannah as a narcissist. I’ve known a few. She’s Dramatic yes. Self oriented. But she is the lead of the show so it kind of is about her.

That People article/IG post from Luke: You know what then? DON'T USE condemning language, Luke. (I don't believe him but that's a different issue.) I have seriously had it with people saying hurtful/mean/rude/condemning things and then claiming that wasn't their intent. (This issue for me goes beyond the show which is why i'm more irritated right now than I'd like to be.) Yes, sometimes miscommunications happen, but don't we all have the responsibility to choose our words carefully and with thought?

Well Good for Hannah. It took longer than I’d like for her to realize who Luke is but better late than never. What I heard wasn’t just about FS sex, but about their different ideas of “sin” and about forgiveness / love and how it relates to that. Luke acting like he’s perfect, again, free of “sin” when he’s not (see episodes 1-9) and shaming her for her decisions, her “slip” . Like he’s the judge and better than her. He’s been doing this all season though in smaller ways. Girl finally sees it! That’s when she started boiling, not when he was talking about his beliefs about sex for him. That’s my read.

Ahh right. Birth of Venus etc. But Zeus and Aphrodite never coupled was what I was trying to get at. Maybe the Father is more like an adopted father? Hmmm. I’m rusty I’ll admit. I’ve been trying to figure out who got the add-on 4th FS date. I think it was definitely Tyler.

West coaster here so I’m chiming in a little late. I used to read myths for fun....Hannah, Aphrodite was Zeus’ daughter and I don’t know if any stories where they did it. But she likes to make stuff up. I would def not turn down a Tyler massage. Nope.