S47.E12: Operation: Italy

[iMonrey]

I really don't want to see any of these people win a million dollars. I might be coming around to Andy winning after pulling off that move but I still have a hard time getting past his Day 1 meltdown. There's something not quite right about that kid.

I liked Teeny OK until this episode. Someone went on a real power trip thinking they were in a majority alliance and were running the whole show. Nice to see them taken down a peg after that vote. 

Everyone left has pissed me off at some point or another. Except maybe Rachel, or Caroline (who?). 

When letters from home (after only 3 weeks!) are more important to them than food, that speaks to how little they are actually suffering anymore

I think the jurors are coached to look all pissed off when they walk in there. It's almost comical.

[Gummo]

*sigh* Andy's gonna win this thing, isn't he.

 

🤮

[Cheyanne11]

11 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I liked Teeny OK until this episode. Someone went on a real power trip thinking they were in a majority alliance and were running the whole show. Nice to see them taken down a peg after that vote. 

Definitely a bad look for them last night.  I went from Team Teeny to "when can they leave?"  I mean, not as much as I want Dirty-Faced, Smug Sue out, but don't want them to win anymore.

I have not been able to stand Andy all season, but kudos to that plan last night and how well-executed/thought-out it was (though Sam fighting not to bust out laughing at tribal was pretty funny).  

[iMonrey]

2 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I have not been able to stand Andy all season, but kudos to that plan last night and how well-executed/thought-out it was (though Sam fighting not to bust out laughing at tribal was pretty funny).  

To be fair, the editors made the plan look more impressive than it actually was with the intercut interviews of the planning and the theme music. You'd think it was Oceans 11 or something, instead of just convincing four people to vote a certain way.

[Skooma]

48 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I think the jurors are coached to look all pissed off when they walk in there. It's almost comical.

A post exit interview linked in media here with first jury member Sierra said she was behind it.  She liked the reactions she got when she walked in and told Sol about it so he did it too then it just became this jury's "thing."  You don't have to have production interfere in these things.  The contestants are quite able to make things up on the fly.

45 minutes ago, Gummo said:

*sigh* Andy's gonna win this thing, isn't he.

 

🤮

I cernanity hope so.   👍 🌟

But I doubt it.  Sue will start a new Revenge of the Thin Skinned and target him for getting her beloved fake daughter voted out.

Edited December 5 by Skooma

[Lamima]

I was bummed at the result. I am still kind of team Teeny and girls. Not a fan of Genevieve, Andy and Sam (ha ha GAS). Was a fan of Rachel until she screwed over Sol who helped her. Cant stand to look at Sue's face plus she is a dumb player. Caroline was okay but talked a big game yet didn't really do much either. Teeny is an emotional player and not a good Survivor gamer but I liked them enough to be rooting for them. 

I bet Genevieve guns for Andy next. After he showed he's a gamer a bit.

Not sure who I want to win now. Will see who does what next and if anyone uses any idols or steel a votes wisely.

Edited December 5 by Lamima

[SummerDreams]

1 hour ago, bankerchick said:

Respectfully disagree.  He mentioned it in a comment to the camera, which struck me as a weird thing to be upset about.  When he mentioned it again while lying on the ground at the immunity challenge as part of his 'woe is me' rant, it was obvious to me that he seriously considered this to be another example of people not liking him and him always being the outsider.  YMMV.

How can he seriously consider such a thing? It was in his mind and he just let it out. Anyway, neither of us can prove what the real truth is after all, whatever he says after the fact. :)

1 hour ago, bankerchick said:

s.  you haven't mentioned his beautiful teeth and hair yet?  (I do agree with you on this.)

I have never mentioned these things. I just like him because I like people with insecurities, rather than cocky and arrogant people. I liked that he showed his insecurities with his meltdown, I sympathised with him and liked him more for showing he is a human and not some robot who never shows his feelings.

 

Edited December 5 by SummerDreams

[Katie111]

Funniest part of this episode was when Caroline said she could have won.  And that they were targeting her because she was a threat.  No one even knows who she is besides someone that is working with Sue.  She hasn't made any moves in the game at all.  

Glad I wasn't the only one that was totally annoyed by Teeny.  She was my favorite up until last night.  Funny thing is, I think Sam was a theatre kid not a football player, do her anger is really misplaced even for a high schooler. 

[JudyObscure]

2 hours ago, bankerchick said:

you haven't mentioned his beautiful teeth and hair yet?  (I do agree with you on this.)

That's @Diana Berry.  Makes me laugh every time.  All of you make me laugh, I'm particularly loving all the names for Sue this episode.

[IdEatThat]

I know Sue’s dirty face has been discussed before  but the difference between her skin and Teeny’s flawless completion is astounding.   I know there’s an age gap but sheesh.   
 

I’m delighted Operation:Italy was successful although I’m surprised they didn’t have a backup plan in the event Rachel won immunity again.   I think they should have taken Teeny out but getting rid of one of the “tweedledee”s was ok too.

I usually root for the older women being one myself but Sue is dumber than a stump. “take the horn by the reins” oof.

Edited December 7 by IdEatThat
Summer is not dumber

[bankerchick]

2 hours ago, SummerDreams said:

I have never mentioned these things.

 

1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

That's @Diana Berry.  Makes me laugh every time.  All of you make me laugh, I'm particularly loving all the names for Sue this episode.

Oops.  My bad.  Sorry.

[Jeanclaudvanbuns]

18 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Which one was Caroline?

I watched the episode, but I felt it went by me. I’m just not caring. Maybe I’ll watch “live” for the “two-part finale.” Here’s what I got:

Andy: Dumbass, probably contributing to downfall of society working with AI.

Sam: Sports guy

Sue: Older lady

Teeny: Non-binary, occasionally wears cool shirts

Genevieve: ???

Rachel: ???

Caroline is the plain Jane girl with no lips.  She's also Sue's right hand girl.  I was so worried Sue was going to play the idol for her. Awesome episode, I can't believe the poor man's Johnny Dep actually pulled it off. 

[rhygirl720]

13 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

And about Andy’s emergence as a power player: As I’ve said before, his transformation fascinates me. But the kind of confidence (and borderline narcissism) he’s showing cannot be developed over one month on a game show. I’m now thinking his first-day freakout and subsequent meek behavior may have been a calculated ruse, designed to make everyone underestimate him. And if so… brilliant strategist or psychopath? You decide.

I've been thinking this for a while. Very manipulative.

Someone please get Sue a mirror stat..for the love I can't look at her.

Teeny did not have a good episode.

I'm glad the group got broken up.

 

 

 

[blackwing]

Like Genevieve said, there were so many ways the plan could have gone wrong.  I'm amazed it actually worked.  I half expected the majority to hint to Genevieve that she was going home to flush her (fake) idol, and then put all the votes on Sam anyways.  Even if Genevieve actually had an idol, there's little chance she would have played it for Sam.  And they could just get Genevieve out the following week.

I believe Andy has had the episode title 6 times in a row now?  Is this some kind of signal that Andy wins?  I hope not.  I used to like Rachel and Teeny but I'm not sure why they turned on Sam so badly.  Sam was allied with Sol and Teeny was Sol's #1 so why wouldn't Teeny have tried to join with Sam?  I also don't understand when Rachel dropped him.  They were original Gata and they were at the bottom, how did she get so entrenched with the blue tribe so quickly?

I still don't like Andy.  He is so smug and thinks he is a better player than he is.  He was not faking his breakdown... he was a really bad player who has somehow survived because nobody thinks he is a strong player.  His plan worked mainly because it didn't even occur to the rest of them that witless Andy was playing them.  He built up that witless reputation for a good reason.

I don't understand why players get SO ANGRY about not being chosen for reward.  This happens every season.  We had Liz begging Q to take her last season since they had the EXACT BURGER she dreamed about and she could get a letter from her daughter and feel connected, and then Q shut it down with "you voted for me" and then we got the epic "I'm PISSSSSSEEEEDDDDD.

Now we see Teeny, who seems otherwise a calm and collected person, go on a tantrum because Sam didn't pick her.  Why would Sam pick her?  She voted with the blue tribe against Sam and Sierra.  She made it clear that she wasn't going to change her mind and vote with Sam and Genevieve.  So why would Sam pick her?  She gets on her high horse and is all "well, you need my vote and you should have picked me" but I very much doubt she would have helped him.  She hated him before the reward challenge (she said she's been trying to get him out for a while), she hated him after.

I'm a bit confused about Teeny, didn't she say she is nonbinary?  So then why does she say she wants an "all women final" referring to the four of them?  If she doesn't consider herself female and says she is nonbinary, why does she count herself as a woman amongst the rest?

 

Edited December 6 by blackwing

[violet and green]

5 hours ago, Lamima said:

Not a fan of Genevieve, Andy and Sam (ha ha GAS). Was a fan of Rachel until she screwed over Sol who helped her.

Also, not a fan of Rachel for this reason, although she has played well.

Even more not a fan of Genevieve for getting Sol out and prematurely out, but she is fun at tribal with her expressive face.

Teeny is cute, but then again not so cute.

Am a fan of the Pirate Chimney Sweep Sue, and Baby Andy, and now Sam has really grown on me since his struggles began, so that makes SAS! Go SAS!

[watch2much]

I love when a group is so overconfident only to see them blown away.  Caroline's expression of shock was incredible.  wonder how the jury will feel about Andy since someone made the comment that Andy "flipped again".  Frankly, as the only male on the women's group he probably was justified in feeling that he was at the bottom.

[Rodney]

20 minutes ago, watch2much said:

Frankly, as the only male on the women's group he probably was justified in feeling that he was at the bottom.

He wasn't, though.  Rachel and Teeny wanted him in their F3.  So he basically made the move for nothing.

[violet and green]

1 hour ago, Rodney said:

He wasn't, though.  Rachel and Teeny wanted him in their F3.  So he basically made the move for nothing.

But on the other hand, as the brains behind Operation Italy, he sure as hell made a move. And as the reason that anyone wants him in their F3 is because they think they can beat him easily, he has a move he can claim (as well as a game he can outline that was out of view of the rest) should he get to the final three. Otherwise, it's oh and Andy is also here and he's just delusional.

Edited December 6 by violet and green
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[Skooma]

2 hours ago, Rodney said:

He wasn't, though.  Rachel and Teeny wanted him in their F3.  So he basically made the move for nothing.

We saw clearly in this episode the 4 women form a final 4 which meant things had changed and Andy was definitely the bottom feeder.  Andy did what he had to do and he did it well. 

Of course Thin Skinned Sue will be pissed at him and out to revenge her "daughter" but better to swing for the fences then stand there with the bat on your shoulder and hear Strike Three called on you.

[srhall79]

About Sue's face, I saw someone say it in the live thread and my wife said she'd read elsewhere that she's using the charcoal to do contours on her face. Which is still weird, but at least it's not her face falling apart and rotting.

Andy seems to jump around a lot, but he's been safe and often on the right side of the vote. And when an alliance of five is talking about a pecking order, well only four of them will be wondering if they have to make fire. Operation Italy worked, and it was more complicated than most plans, which usually amount to "everyone tell frank we're voting for Bill, then we vote for Frank"

Teeny, on the other hand, I feel like more times than not she's left tribal council wondering what just happened. Her rant seemed like the Applebee's explosion of least year. 

Still liking Rachel,, being more aware why some considered her a threat.

[princelina]

12 hours ago, bankerchick said:

Respectfully disagree.  He mentioned it in a comment to the camera, which struck me as a weird thing to be upset about.  When he mentioned it again while lying on the ground at the immunity challenge as part of his 'woe is me' rant, it was obvious to me that he seriously considered this to be another example of people not liking him and him always being the outsider.  YMMV.

I agree with you - he did mention it in both places, and even as he's been bragging about being a ninja assassin for weeks, I thought he did acknowledge that he had some overcoming to do from his initial meltdown - he's not claiming that as any part of his super sneaky strategy.

[MarquisDeCarabas]

This I think I can understand why Rachel didn’t use the block a vote. She was safe and if her idol is good until 5, than I can see her wanting to save it until she was vulnerable. Sue’s decision not to use the idol, is far less defensible. She knew Caroline was the target of the other side. If anything went wrong it would be Caroline. If they thought Genevieve had an idol and they guessed wrong about how she’d play it it’s a tie. And things can get wonky on a revote as it’s an opportunity that may not have there. 
 

I think it’s clear the biggest mistake that a lot of survivors are making is that they are afraid to use idols or advantages until the last possible moment for fear of ‘wasting’ it. 
 

Maybe it’s because we saw him saying it a couple of times, but I’m surprised that they were buying Andy being offended by the way they tried to recruit him. That was the biggest surprise to me, that nobody ever seemed to consider that Andy would flip. 
 

Also the editors gave Teeny the Rome edit tonight. 

[DEL901]

3 hours ago, MarquisDeCarabas said:

This I think I can understand why Rachel didn’t use the block a vote. She was safe and if her idol is good until 5, than I can see her wanting to save it until she was vulnerable. Sue’s decision not to use the idol, is far less defensible. She knew Caroline was the target of the other side. If anything went wrong it would be Caroline. If they thought Genevieve had an idol and they guessed wrong about how she’d play it it’s a tie. And things can get wonky on a revote as it’s an opportunity that may not have there. 
 

I think it’s clear the biggest mistake that a lot of survivors are making is that they are afraid to use idols or advantages until the last possible moment for fear of ‘wasting’ it. 
 

Maybe it’s because we saw him saying it a couple of times, but I’m surprised that they were buying Andy being offended by the way they tried to recruit him. That was the biggest surprise to me, that nobody ever seemed to consider that Andy would flip. 
 

Also the editors gave Teeny the Rome edit tonight. 

In an interview with EW, Caroline said she wa# the one arguing not to waste their advantage/idols.

[Chicago Redshirt]

5 hours ago, MarquisDeCarabas said:

Maybe it’s because we saw him saying it a couple of times, but I’m surprised that they were buying Andy being offended by the way they tried to recruit him. That was the biggest surprise to me, that nobody ever seemed to consider that Andy would flip. 

At Tribal, Teeny articulated that Andy, Genevieve and Sam would be stupid to not think that they were going to be targets of the four left out, and the four left out of the reward challenge would be stupid to not think of the possibility that the three Reward Challenge people were not trying to come up with a plan to take out one of the four of them.

So taking Teeny at face value, it sounds like the possibility of an Andy flip at least went through their heads, but they didn't adequately prepare for it/safeguard against it.

It would have been hilarious if the four decided to target Andy instead, knowing that there's a possibility he would flip and being confident that the four of them would get Sam and Genevieve out in due time.

Edited December 6 by Chicago Redshirt

[rhygirl720]

12 hours ago, Rodney said:

He wasn't, though.  Rachel and Teeny wanted him in their F3.  So he basically made the move for nothing.

I think it was a good move for Andy even if above is true. Andy has zero chance of winning against either Rachel or Teeny and he has shown he is smarter than first portrayed. I don't know if Andy has a shot against Sam or Genevieve either but it's better odds. Frankly if he does win this is the episode that defines why,

[blackwing]

Rachel still has her block a vote.  So next round, when there are six people left, and they assume that it's now 3-3 with Andy voting with Sam and Genevieve, I assume she will just use it to block one of their votes and she, Sue and Teeny have their pick of who to send home.  I would assume it will be Andy... they will see him as dangerous and unpredictable and someone who just pulled off a major move that might be rewarded by the jury.

If Andy has indeed become the producer's darling this year (6 episode title quotes must count for something), I'm assuming it's about time for some Ben Driebergenish shenanigans to gift Andy a not-so-hidden idol.

When was the last time a full-out flipper won the game?  There have of course been people who flipped.  But Andy flips almost every week.  Seems to me that the juries tend not to like flippers.

[Tachi Rocinante]

21 hours ago, Skooma said:

A post exit interview linked in media here with first jury member Sierra said she was behind it.  She liked the reactions she got when she walked in and told Sol about it so he did it too then it just became this jury's "thing." 

What an entitled, bitter @#$%.  Someone should mean mug back to her and mouth the words, "Grow the fuck up."

[iMonrey]

Genevieve - her bestie was Rome. 

Teeny - got a swelled head, like Marcia Brady when she was cast as Juliet in the school play.

Andy - had a full blown meltdown in front of everyone on Day 1.

Sam - pushed for getting rid of Jon Lovett, instead of Andy.

Rachel - stabbed Sol in the back after he saved her ass.

Sue - delusional about almost everything. Brought up the "Tweedledee and Tweedledum" thing again - which she only believes because Andy told her that.

So . . . who am I rooting for again? And, why am I still watching this?

 

[Fostersmom]

On 12/5/2024 at 12:16 AM, Steph Sometimes said:

I'm all in on Rachel winning this thing. She needs to use her block the vote next and get the numbers back.

My favorite was when Sue told Caroline she had dirt on her face. Caroline, would it have killed you to return the favor?!

 

On 12/5/2024 at 1:03 AM, CoyoteBlue said:

Srsly, does Sue have a skin pigmentation condition? Because I cannot imagine she could be walking around looking that filthy that consistently otherwise.

She looks like a 1920's street urchin and the rest look like they might have had a slightly rough day at work. It's not like they don't have a huge ocean to go clean up in, is I don't understand how she looks SO much dirtier than the rest, unless she's literally smearing mud on herself. 

On 12/5/2024 at 2:15 AM, Arkay said:

Well  I am properly shocked  that now I’m considering Andy to be a strategic player.  I have also awakened to the fact that Teeny is in fact operating on the emotional level of a 7th grader. (Something which I’ve known about Sue all along).

 

I don’t love Rachel but I do think she’s playing the best game. There’s really no one left for me to root for, once Sol and now Kyle were gone.

Yeah I agree that Sue and Caroline needed to be separated, but I too would’ve preferred Sue to be gone. Someone’s gotta rescue her anyway before her face melts any further.

It does seem Rachel's game to lose now with her steal a vote and idol. 

I get the Caroline vote, over Sue. Andy knows Sue isn't going to convince a jury to vote for her in the end. Caroline probably wouldn't either, but she was the bigger threat out of the duo and he's obviously written Teeny off too as a jury threat.

 

[Tango64]

I think Sue is realizing that her face looks like hell now and she's sensitive about it. She's smearing soot and dirt on her face to cover it up, thinking hey everyone is dirty out here, it will just look normal and no one will see how my skin really looks.

But everyone else is keeping their faces clean, so it draws attention anyway.

[Special K]

Oh, the fascinating mystery of Sue's face 🤣 

Since they have no mirrors out there, is it possible that she doesn't realize how dirty she is?  And that the others are too freaked out by her actual face to point it out? 

I mean the editors did show Sue pointing out a tiny, unseen spot on Caroline's face, while herself having an entire dirty face.

(I said last week I thought it was melasma, but it's moving around too much to be that.)

[Matteo]

I was also super curious, so I found this interview from Caroline today where she talked about it:

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Caroline said that Sue, 59, was “incredible” around camp and was often tending to the fire. “The way she would attend to the fire is moving things around in a way where her hands were very sooty,” she continued. “And she would touch her face quite a bit. So we would spend a lot of time trying to scrub it off her face, but it was really caked in there. And there were times, too, when she’s like, ‘It’s OK, it’s fine. We’ll leave it.’

 Here's the full article if anyone is interested:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/survivor-caroline-explains-why-sue-084634106.html

Sue also agreed with Caroline's assessment.  Even with that explanation, I still don't understand how/why she wouldn't clean her face up before Tribal Council or maybe even the challenges, knowing they would definitely be focusing on her more.  I guess she just didn't care after however many days it has been?

[laurakaye]

26 minutes ago, Special K said:

Oh, the fascinating mystery of Sue's face 🤣 

Since they have no mirrors out there, is it possible that she doesn't realize how dirty she is?  And that the others are too freaked out by her actual face to point it out? 

I actively try not to look at Sue's face too much but I did notice in this episode that she had dirt smeared over each eyelid, which makes me think she is using dirt as makeup.  Maybe in real life it doesn't come across as bad as it does on tv, because dang - if I'm her tribemate, I would feel compelled to tell her that whatever she's doing is NOT working.  It's like when you see someone trailing toilet paper on their shoe - you let them know!  It's the kind thing to do!  And she's got a tribe full of people looking her directly in the face multiple times a day!  I need Probst to address this at the reunion but at the same time, I don't want him to because I'm not a Sue fan so maybe she can be the chosen cast member who doesn't get asked a single question.

Speaking of things I don't understand, Andy is like the human version of cognitive dissonance.  I cannot figure him out and it bugs me.  I want to dislike him because of his delusions of grandeur but unlike Gabe and Rome, Andy has moves to back it up.  Is he cluelessly smart or smartly clueless?  Who is he?  Is he real?  Is he the first AI contestant to ever play Survivor?   

Also, these long soliloquies at TC in response to Jeff's questions are grating, as an old-school fan.  I feel like these people are giving a dissertation about the meaning of life in response to, "so how did that make you feel?"  I blame the shorter season, I guess...I recall times on older seasons where Jeff asked a question and the tribe member literally blanked out because they hadn't eaten in 4 days or were so tired they couldn't think straight.  These New Era TC's must go on until the sun starts to come up.

Edited December 6 by laurakaye

[AntFTW]

Everyone that knows about Sue's idol has been voted out.

[SummerDreams]

2 minutes ago, AntFTW said:

Everyone that knows about Sue's idol has been voted out.

Thing is, there is no way someone would vote her out so she has no reason to use it on herself at least.

[JudyObscure]

Sue Theory #7

I think Sue believes she's a legend in her own time, a feminist icon who will have her own TED talk and  wildly popular Youtube channel as soon as she gets home.

After all she owns her own business and can fly an airplane.  

She also believes that the Survivor fans at home are saying, "Wow!  Look at Sue!  Sue's so tough, she's not afraid to get down and dirty. Not Sue, she's no sissy girly, girl. In fact she's dirtier than anyone out there which means she's playing the hardest and she's a strong, badass,  boss!"

[Skooma]

4 hours ago, Tachi Rocinante said:

What an entitled, bitter @#$%.  Someone should mean mug back to her and mouth the words, "Grow the fuck up."

(Note: This was about Sierra starting the dagger eyes looks at jury and spreading the idea to the rest of the jury).

I find it both funny and rather endearing as I like to see the remaining contestants sweat a little.  More daggers, less smiles I say.  Make them worry and fret.

[Tachi Rocinante]

44 minutes ago, Skooma said:

(Note: This was about Sierra starting the dagger eyes looks at jury and spreading the idea to the rest of the jury).

I find it both funny and rather endearing as I like to see the remaining contestants sweat a little.  More daggers, less smiles I say.  Make them worry and fret.

Sorry, the initial quote got cut off.  Weird.

[rr2911]

Again, I think Andy is going to win.  As much as I want him voted out, this Operation Italy was his idea.  It's going to look great on his resume.  The time to vote him out passed.  Let's hope Teeny, Rachel and Sue are pissed and come up with a plan to vote him out.

I didn't like Genevieve at first, but then she should the human side of her and I started to root for her.  I'm still team Rachel but Genevieve is mysecond choice.

I hope Jeff Probst reads these boards because no one likes this split finale crap!  I had next Wednesday planned out.  Pizza and wings.  I guess that will have to wait. 

[Chicago Redshirt]

42 minutes ago, rr2911 said:

Again, I think Andy is going to win.  As much as I want him voted out, this Operation Italy was his idea.  It's going to look great on his resume.  The time to vote him out passed.  Let's hope Teeny, Rachel and Sue are pissed and come up with a plan to vote him out.

There should not be much of a plan needed to vote him out. The need to vote Andy should be patently obvious, and their three votes plus blocking Andy's votes is a majority. The End (unless he wins individual immunity or finds an idol or some other advantage)

I would have to think that Rachel at least, and probably Sue and Teeny, have to know that Operation Italy could get Andy a million dollars if he gets to the final tribal council. And they have to know that the three of them have to hang tight. It would be incredibly risky (read: bad) game play for any of Teeny/Sue/Rachel to flip on their threesome and to cannibalize themselves when they could reduce the chances that any of the people behind Operation Italy get to the F3. 

I'm assuming Andy will take max credit for pulling it off, and so they should know they should prioritize getting rid of his backstabbing ass if they can. So far, I don't think Andy has been any sort of a challenge beast. (More like a challenge least). Maybe he gets lucky with a challenge suited to his talents, or maybe he finds an idol or other advantage.

I don't know if Sam or Genevieve want Andy around either. "Anybody but me"/they can't win against Andy now at FTC means that they should be fine writing his name down.

I would be very surprised if Andy makes it to F5 without winning individual immunity or finding an idol. Again, it would take either epic manipulation powers to convince Rachel/Teeny/Sue to vote someone other than him, or epic stupidity for them to shoot for someone other than Andy.

And even assuming that he gets past next Tribal, I would be further surprised if he makes it to F4 on top of that. By default, both Sue and Rachel are playing their idols since that is the last Tribal they are good for. With two of the 5 people protected, and with them likely still having Teeny on board as an allied vote, Andy's main route to F4 would be winning individual immunity x 2.

[IvySpice]

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Teeny, Teeny, Teeny. Who hurt you?? Methinks some buried issues are surfacing that have nothing to do with Sam, specifically. 

I was thinking that, too. I wonder if Teeny wants to BE Sam.

[JudyObscure]

1 hour ago, rr2911 said:

 

I hope Jeff Probst reads these boards because no one likes this split finale crap!  I had next Wednesday planned out.  Pizza and wings.  I guess that will have to wait. 

Whaaat?  Split finale?  Did I miss something important?

[rr2911]

41 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Whaaat?  Split finale?  Did I miss something important?

Yep!  The finale if I'm understanding this correctly will be over two weeks instead of a 3 hour show.  I guess next week will be second to last TC and the following week will be the last TC, finale and the aftershow.

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I actively try not to look at Sue's face too much but I did notice in this episode that she had dirt smeared over each eyelid, which makes me think she is using dirt as makeup.  Maybe in real life it doesn't come across as bad as it does on tv, because dang - if I'm her tribemate, I would feel compelled to tell her that whatever she's doing is NOT working.  It's like when you see someone trailing toilet paper on their shoe - you let them know!  It's the kind thing to do!  And she's got a tribe full of people looking her directly in the face multiple times a day!  I need Probst to address this at the reunion but at the same time, I don't want him to because I'm not a Sue fan so maybe she can be the chosen cast member who doesn't get asked a single question.

Speaking of things I don't understand, Andy is like the human version of cognitive dissonance.  I cannot figure him out and it bugs me.  I want to dislike him because of his delusions of grandeur but unlike Gabe and Rome, Andy has moves to back it up.  Is he cluelessly smart or smartly clueless?  Who is he?  Is he real?  Is he the first AI contestant to ever play Survivor?   

Also, these long soliloquies at TC in response to Jeff's questions are grating, as an old-school fan.  I feel like these people are giving a dissertation about the meaning of life in response to, "so how did that make you feel?"  I blame the shorter season, I guess...I recall times on older seasons where Jeff asked a question and the tribe member literally blanked out because they hadn't eaten in 4 days or were so tired they couldn't think straight.  These New Era TC's must go on until the sun starts to come up.

At Tribal, it looked like the mud was highlighting her cheekbones.    May she applied it a# a sort of contour???

[violet and green]

They showed us Sue crawling about face down in the mud under the outcrop looking for idols with a voiceover from Caroline to explain her dirty face. I wonder if she is enjoying not worrying so much about her appearance as she does in regular life and is just enjoying getting dirty and being in her own skin for a change.

[Scatterbrained]

On 12/4/2024 at 9:38 PM, Rodney said:

What I don't get is why Andy jumped.  He literally had no reason to.  He'd wanted to work with Rachel for much of the game, got his chance to, and then burned her tonight for no reason at all.

Borderline Personality Disorder

[Skooma]

2 hours ago, Scatterbrained said:

Borderline Personality Disorder

Nope.  He figured out he was the bottom feeder in the so-called "underdogs" which he was as we saw when the 4 women made a final 4 pact among themselves on this episode.

[Nashville]

12 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Is [Andy] cluelessly smart or smartly clueless?

Actually - when you think about it, the two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive….

[30 Helens]

8 hours ago, violet and green said:

They showed us Sue crawling about face down in the mud under the outcrop looking for idols with a voiceover from Caroline to explain her dirty face. I wonder if she is enjoying not worrying so much about her appearance as she does in regular life and is just enjoying getting dirty and being in her own skin for a change.

For all of our obsession with Sue’s skin and its possible causes, I actually think is the most likely explanation. In her real life, I suspect her appearance is very important to her (see: duck lips, fake boobs), but here it’s probably more about proving she can get down and dirty, dig through the mud and work just as hard as the rest of the young ’uns (who are barely younger than she is, let’s not forget). In this sense, she probably wears the dirt as a badge of honor.

On 12/5/2024 at 12:15 PM, Skooma said:

A post exit interview linked in media here with first jury member Sierra said she was behind it.  She liked the reactions she got when she walked in and told Sol about it so he did it too then it just became this jury's "thing." 

Well, this is disappointing. Are these people really so starved for attention that they have to invent sideline drama in a sad attempt to stay relevant? 

Never mind, silly question. Of course they are. Although to his credit, Kyle the Pup didn’t look pissed so much as just sad. Poor Kyle. Someone give him a belly rub.

11 hours ago, rr2911 said:

I hope Jeff Probst reads these boards because no one likes this split finale crap!  I had next Wednesday planned out.  Pizza and wings.  I guess that will have to wait. 

Next Wednesday, pizza. Wednesday after that, wings. Boom, done! 

I’m actually grateful that they split it up. Three hours is too long for a finale.  It somehow ends up feeling like a slog and rushed at the same time. I think this is the most sensible thing Jeff has done in a while. Which makes me fairly confident it wasn’t his decision.

[jsm1125]

I’m surprised, but not mad, that there was no double elimination/tribal this season.  I think it’s the first time since the new era started that this happened.