S19.E05: The Year Of Release

[Mod-Tranquilizer]

Meri asks the church for a release from her marriage to Kody, Gabe opens up to Janelle about his relationship with his father, Christine is excited for her second date with David, Mykelti reveals she ate her placenta. 

[Andyourlittledog2]

I get how Meri is feeling. It is heartbreaking to end a marriage even when you know it is the right thing to do. I'm glad she got the release that was important to her. I hope she has a great life going forward.

I can't help but notice that whenever Robyn talks about the other wives and children she always refers to them as though they were props in the life she wants for herself. They never seem to have value in themselves or as a two way relationship with actual fully realized people. Just props to move around on the board in order to meet whatever emotional needs she has for herself.  She seems like someone who isn't a whole human being, just a shadow who needs the right scene and actors around her to fit her idea of the life she wants. If we were just talking to her alone I wouldn't get the idea that any of these other people were real live human beings.

I really liked the talk Gabe and Janelle had. He is an intelligent and thoughtful young man. But as an aside I have no idea why he and Janelle think using a lid on fried eggs to cook the white over the yolk is 'weird'. My family has done that forever and it works great. Just sayin'. 😁

Kody is so filled with self-delusion that you really can't trust anything he says.  I give all the wives a lot of credit for not killing him in his sleep. He is just maddening.

 

[Granny58]

note to Kody:  taking time to see if a relationship improves ALSO needs interaction with the other person.  Next time see if that helps.  

[65mickey]

Kody is a person who can't be reasoned with. He lives in an alternate reality. He doesn't understand why his 13 kids want nothing to do with him. Well buddy you have said over and over that you don't love their  mothers. That the person he loves the most in the world is Robyn and his greatest hope is that he and Robyn will be OK. He even said on the show last night that he told Robyn they should just move forward and leave the rest of the family behind. What parent says these things to children and expects them not to have negative feelings about him?  According to Janelle he "comes by every few months" to see Savanah and he expects to be respected as a father. The man is crazy. Even though Gabe comes across as an intelligent  and sensitive young man I have a feeling that he is deeply wounded. 

Edited October 14 by 65mickey

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

Even though Gabe comes across as an intelligent  and sensitive young man I have a feeling that he is deeply wounded. 

He most certainly is.  

[AZChristian]

We've gotten to the point where every time Robyn dabs at her eyes with her bare fingers, we both shout, "Don't forget to look at your fingers!!!"

What in the world is she looking for????  Tears?  There aren't really very many of those.

[jschoolgirl]

17 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

We've gotten to the point where every time Robyn dabs at her eyes with her bare fingers, we both shout, "Don't forget to look at your fingers!!!"j

What in the world is she looking for????  Tears?  There aren't really very many of those.

She’s looking for eye-makeup detritus. I have not watched since the faux flight to Vegas, but Janelle used to do that, too.

[applewood]

9 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

 

I can't help but notice that whenever Robyn talks about the other wives and children she always refers to them as though they were props in the life she wants for herself. They never seem to have value in themselves or as a two way relationship with actual fully realized people. Just props to move around on the board in order to meet whatever emotional needs she has for herself.  She seems like someone who isn't a whole human being, just a shadow who needs the right scene and actors around her to fit her idea of the life she wants. If we were just talking to her alone I wouldn't get the idea that any of these other people were real live human beings.

 

 

I never understood why Robyn thinks the other wives should stay with Kody when they don't have a real marriage. As you said, they are just there for props.

I don't know why she still thinks Janelle and Meri will build on the land. Why would they want to build a house next to their ex?

Regarding Savanah, Janelle said Kody sees her once every two months. And he lives in the same town!?? There's no reason why he can't see her every weekend, as least for a couple of hours. I assume he hardly ever sees Truly either. And he was the one who demanded 50/50 custody. And if I recall, Christine said that the whole year they had lived in Flagstaff he only saw her 5 or 6 times.

[precious pupp]

Whoa.  If memory serves, when dumbass Kody had the necklaces made for each wife in an earlier season, Meri got one that said loyalty.  Now, that idiot says Meri was NEVER loyal!  Liar!

 

[Roslyn]

9 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

 

I can't help but notice that whenever Robyn talks about the other wives and children she always refers to them as though they were props in the life she wants for herself. They never seem to have value in themselves or as a two way relationship with actual fully realized people. Just props to move around on the board in order to meet whatever emotional needs she has for herself.  She seems like someone who isn't a whole human being, just a shadow who needs the right scene and actors around her to fit her idea of the life she wants. If we were just talking to her alone I wouldn't get the idea that any of these other people were real live human beings.

 

I think that is exactly how Robyn sees the family. I think Kody does as well, that is why they are on the same page about it. Robyn said that Kody missed "the family experience"...NOT the FAMILY.  But the loud busy laughing family gathering experience.  Just like the "Brown Family Mosh Pitt", all of them are supposed to make him feel like the center of attention so he can strut around "his family". But then go away because he also becomes very irritated and overwhelmed by them.

Robyn wanted the family that put on a show for her back in Lehi. Being welcoming and friendly. She wanted those people to be Stepford Sister Wives to always smile and be kind and to always always just act out her fantasy BUT to never deviate from her script. Not to be themselves with rough and tumble children, but to treat her kids exactly how she instructs them. She has very obvious deep childhood wounds and she needs to address that for herself instead of expecting 17 other human beings to act out her do over life.

And as someone mentioned over in the live feed, that sittin' thur on the bathroom floor soliloquy looked like she was medicated.

3 minutes ago, precious pupp said:

Whoa.  If memory serves, when dumbass Kody had the necklaces made for each wife in an earlier season, Meri got one that said loyalty.  Now, that idiot says Meri was NEVER loyal!  Liar!

Yep. Loyal. Like a golden retriever.

[Sasha888]

I wish the producers would ask some real questions in Kody's couch sessions. Because I would love to know what his definition of "Loyal" is, and also what his definition of "Sacrifice" is. (Robyn sacrificed so much for the family? What?)

Stop accepting what he says in his interviews, TLC. I'm sick of "they're not loyal". HOW are they not being loyal? HOW did Robyn sacrifice?

This is Kody's job - he is well compensated for it. Stop making it so easy for him.

Sorry but watching him sit there and lie unchallenged is grating on my nerves.

[Dibs]

If Robyn "always wanted polygamy," why did she initially marry a monogamist and/or at least have a monogamous relationship with him?

Boy, she sure has Kody wrapped around her little finger!  You can really see in that standing-in-the-snow conversation how completely she controls and manipulates him.  Even gaslights him, since she was the one who wanted him all to herself and now wants him reaching out to the kids and even allowing himself to be abused by them.  You can see Kody's eyes dart around trying to figure out what she wants now.  I think she's literally driven the guy crazy...

That said, I can totally see the kids ganging up on him and making him out to be the bad guy; nothing unites like a common enemy, and it feels like they're bonding over this.  Nothing is that one-sided or black-and white, and they're all adults now and old enough to understand that no one is perfect and there are two sides to every story.

I also firmly believe that Christine, who has the mentality of a 15-year-old high school mean girl, has egged them on.

Edited October 14 by Dibs

[Madding crowd]

I can’t believe Kody was talking about he and Robyn wanting a bigger house-they already have a huge place. Robyn’s bathroom crying was because she wanted a Christmas where the other wives were there and she and Kody could act like the king and queen and she could lord it over the other wives. She had no reason to cry; her kids were all there and healthy. There are people out there missing family members who died, people with no food to eat or severe health issues. She is selfish.

[Absolom]

12 hours ago, Andyourlittledog2 said:

I really liked the talk Gabe and Janelle had. He is an intelligent and thoughtful young man. But as an aside I have no idea why he and Janelle think using a lid on fried eggs to cook the white over the yolk is 'weird'. My family has done that forever and it works great. Just sayin'. 😁

I do it and a lot of people have thought it was weird or strange. I guess it simply isn't the most common method.  I do it because I have never been able to flip an egg for over easy ever.  It's simply a 90 percent failure rate for me.  So I pop a lid over it and quit trying.  I'm the only one in three extended families who does and I turn down offers to help me fix my problem or in the last five years don't cook eggs around other people.  

7 hours ago, Granny58 said:

note to Kody:  taking time to see if a relationship improves ALSO needs interaction with the other person.  Next time see if that helps.  

Interaction is a basic requirement for a relationship.  Kody needs to go back to kindergarten for a refresher course.

[LotusFlower]

31 minutes ago, Dibs said:

That said, I can totally see the kids ganging up on him and making him out to be the bad guy; nothing unites like a common enemy, and it feels like they're bonding over this.  Nothing is that one-sided or black-and white, and they're all adults now and old enough to understand that no one is perfect and there are two sides to every story.

So your defense of Kody is…no one’s perfect?  Yes, Kody has a “side,” and he’s told us what it is: they’re mad because he didn’t love their mothers (lie).  The mothers badmouthed him (most likely a lie).  

Yes, Kody is the bad guy.  That’s not my POV or the kids’ POV.  It’s who he is and who he tells us and shows us who he is on the show!  If there’s another side to him, one not shown on the show, I’d love to know what it is!  
 

 

[OldWiseOne]

19 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

So your defense of Kody is…no one’s perfect?  Yes, Kody has a “side,” and he’s told us what it is: they’re mad because he didn’t love their mothers (lie).  The mothers badmouthed him (most likely a lie).  

Yes, Kody is the bad guy.  That’s not my POV or the kids’ POV.  It’s who he is and who he tells us and shows us who he is on the show!  If there’s another side to him, one not shown on the show, I’d love to know what it is!  
 

 

If the OG13 have a shared experience of being maltreated by their father and want to talk about it, that's not ganging up - that's therapeutic.

He reaches out to them, but won't accept any responsibility for the breakdown of the relationships (with the kids) and still expects them to be grateful for the interaction and pretend like nothing happened. 

[margol29]

Okay this episode had way too much information! It might be an accepted thing to eat your placenta after giving birth, but I really don’t want to hear about it or see pictures of a partially eaten one. I almost lost my lunch.

[Sasha888]

5 minutes ago, margol29 said:

Okay this episode had way too much information! It might be an accepted thing to eat your placenta after giving birth, but I really don’t want to hear about it or see pictures of a partially eaten one. I almost lost my lunch.

I agree, and also I'm sick of the cheap sensationalism of these reality shows. Get to the meat and potatoes of what's really going on in this family. Eating placentas, who may have breast fed which baby, WHO CARES! An entire family has imploded and people are interested in the dynamics of that, not these dumb fluff segments.

Maybe if they quit dragging everything out with these boring, nonsense segments, we could catch up and not be TWO YEARS behind!

[LilyD]

59 minutes ago, margol29 said:

Okay this episode had way too much information! It might be an accepted thing to eat your placenta after giving birth, but I really don’t want to hear about it or see pictures of a partially eaten one. I almost lost my lunch.

Excuse me?? Eating your what??🤢

[Orcinus orca]

1 hour ago, margol29 said:

Okay this episode had way too much information! It might be an accepted thing to eat your placenta after giving birth, but I really don’t want to hear about it or see pictures of a partially eaten one. I almost lost my lunch.

Was it deep fried?  Roasted?  Side dishes?  

Asking for a friend.

[MostlyContent]

24 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said:

Was it deep fried?  Roasted?  Side dishes?  

Asking for a friend.

Don't google it.  I implore you.  🤣

[ginger90]

43 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said:

Was it deep fried?  Roasted?  Side dishes?  

Asking for a friend.

Raw with Avalon, and I believe encapsulated with the twins. I don’t remember which birth but she also added it to smoothies.

Don’t shoot the messenger. 👀

[surfgirl]

3 hours ago, Dibs said:

I also firmly believe that Christine, who has the mentality of a 15-year-old high school mean girl, has egged them on.

You may not like Christine, but I highly doubt she, or Meri or Janelle, have egged on the kids about Kody. He is a supreme asshole and acts like he has a serious personality disorder, and none of that is funny when it's happening to your family. Have Janelle and Christine shit talked Kody? I'm sure they have, and they have good reason to do so. But but no, I don't think they'd encourage the kids to bad mouth their father. I think they are just as sad as the kids are to learn that not only does Kody not give a shit about his three OG wives, but he also doesn't care about their shared children. That is not something to rejoice about.

[b2H]

I believe Gabe went through some counseling, possibly through his college.  They have counseling at most universities now.  Especially given he was the one who found his brother, I am sure Gabe has made good use of those services.

[Pingaponga]

My guess is that things began to really break down between Kody and his kids when Ysabel had her surgery which was in... 2020? 2021? They saw that their father wasn't there for her when she was going through a major surgery in a completely different state far away.

And then they saw him say on tv that he had to stay home because Solomon and Ariel were so young and he couldn't be gone for more than a couple of days. Well, you know what dude, lots of parents have to travel for more than a couple of days at a time for work, and the kids survive. Talk to kids whose parents serve in the military or work on oil rigs elsewhere. They don't see their kids for many, many months. Do the kids like it? No. Do the kids survive? Yes.

His original 13 kids saw him prioritize two little kids who had a mother and three much older siblings to look after them and keep them entertained. They saw their teenaged sister suffering with no supportive father anywhere in sight.

And I think that's when the blinders came off for the kids.

 

[Dobian]

Sobbyn definitely set a personal best for most times drying her tearless eyes this episode. 

[Meow Mix]

OK, I'll start with Mykelti.  Is there something beyond TMI, because if so, she went there.  Look I get it's the fad to eat the placenta and Mykelti is the type to go on and on about something like that.  Hey even if you want to take a picture of said placenta with a bite out of it, knock yourself out.  But for the love of all that's holy, don't show it on a TV show.  I could have gone my whole life without knowing what an expelled placenta looks like.  That was just nasty.  And of course, Robyn ate hers and had to brag about it.  I thought they were both irresponsible saying it helped with PPD.  That's not cool.  At least the OG wives were suitably grossed out. I was bothered by the fact that Janelle failed to remember that Meri nursed Maddie for her when Maddie was failing to thrive.  I would think she would express some appreciation for that.

What was Kody on in that scene?  He was so hyper right off the bat.  I was so glad Tony deflected Kody who was demanding Avalon hug him. She was probably wondering who that loud, crazy person was and just wanted him to go away and stop yelling.  Also, what on earth was he on about with the big house?  Why were he and Robyn looking at a bigger house?  They have a huge barn already and they are claiming they have no room.  Get rid of some of the hoard and maybe you will have some room.

So glad Meri got her release.  So glad also that the church representative called Kody and told him exactly why they were granting it to her.  I don't care that it upset him, he did abandon her and treated her like crap for years, in fact long before the catfish that he uses as an excuse.  I did love the editors showing Robyn claiming that he was shedding tears over Meri and then showing Kody saying he was glad she was gone because he was sorry he ever married her.  

I'm so glad to see that Gabe got counseling.  He seems to really have put a lot of thought into things and is not just reacting like Kody does.  Yes, he's hurt, but he is also realistic about what he can expect from Kody (not much).  I love that he was just getting on with his life rather than being stuck.  I hope after Garrison's death he went back for more help because I'm sure he was traumatized.  And Kody once again claiming he was at death's door when he had Covid was as ridiculous as always.  

Robyn sitting on her bathroom floor crying into her phone at 1 AM reminded me of a sloppy drunk.  I wonder if there was some strong eggnog involved.  She needs to recognize that she has a lot more than a lot of people.  And she also needs to recognize that it was her who contributed to the separation when she refused to allow Meri to invite everyone who was in town to Christmas Eve.

Edited October 15 by Meow Mix

[surfgirl]

6 minutes ago, Meow Mix said:

OK, I'll start with Mykelti.  Is there something beyond TMI, because if so, she went there.  Look I get it's the fad to eat the placenta and Mykelti is the type to go on and on about something like that.  Hey even if you want to take a picture of said placenta with a bite out of it, knock yourself out.  But for the love of all that's holy, don't show it on a TV

She's just trying to show how outrageous she is willing to be of TLC will only just give her a bigger piece of the pie. She and Tony are gross.

[mythoughtis]

52 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

And then they saw him say on tv that he had to stay home because Solomon and Ariel were so young and he couldn't be gone for more than a couple of days.

Not only that.  He went out of state and officiated a wedding around  a bunch of people… and performed some sort of high energy dance when dancing was a Covid No-no at that time.  So he was perfectly ok with lifting covid restrictions when it was his idea. 

[LotusFlower]

Savannah telling her brothers that she’ll probably ask them to walk her down the aisle at her wedding over her father has to be a huge knife to the kidneys for Kody, right?! 

That felt huge to me.  Imagine being a father and hearing that.  It says so much. 
 

 

[Gramto6]

1 hour ago, Dobian said:

Sobbyn definitely set a personal best for most times drying her tearless eyes this episode. 

I finally figured out who I think Sobbyn is emulating!! I was watching reruns of 911 today and yesterday and Sobbyn gives Jennifer Love Hewitt a good run for her money crying at every little thing, any little thing, every episode. Sobbyn thinks she is a TV star just like JLH!!

 

Edited October 15 by Gramto6

[Ms.Lulu]

6 hours ago, Dibs said:

If Robyn "always wanted polygamy," why did she initially marry a monogamist and/or at least have a monogamous relationship with him?

 

My understanding is that Robyn got married because she was pregnant out of wedlock. She married Jessop in June 1999 and gave birth in January. That's uncommon in the AUB and likely the reason that she rewrote history claiming that her ex took her cookie.

[SemiCharmedLife]

It was interesting hearing Gabe confirm everything we have been saying in this forum (but in a nicer way, of course!). We all know that Robyn has been playing the victim all these years while actually being the greedy favored wife, planting seeds of distrust among her children.  It also said a lot that Gabe wants to have a relationship with Robyn's children, the exact opposite of what she has been telling them.

[Yeah No]

7 hours ago, Dibs said:

That said, I can totally see the kids ganging up on him and making him out to be the bad guy; nothing unites like a common enemy, and it feels like they're bonding over this.  Nothing is that one-sided or black-and white, and they're all adults now and old enough to understand that no one is perfect and there are two sides to every story.

I also firmly believe that Christine, who has the mentality of a 15-year-old high school mean girl, has egged them on.

I don't think Christine or any of the OG moms needed to egg their kids on about anything. His kids have minds of their own and were at the receiving end of his rejection of them. His behavior was so openly exclusionary and hurtful to his wives and children that sitting on our couches even we could smell his BS from hundreds and even thousands of miles away! Nobody bought that his Covid rules were anything else but an excuse to do just what he pleased which was live with Robyn and not have to keep working on the other relationships. The other wives did not "drive him away" with too-high expectations. They were accepting the meager scraps from under his table for YEARS and we all witnessed their pain as they blamed themselves for his lack of affection and inattention. They turned themselves inside out to please him and all he can say now is that he wishes he never married any of them?? And his kids aren't supposed to hear that and think that he's a flaming dirt bag all by themselves without their mothers to egg them on?

Yeah, no. Not buyin' it. I've been smelling the BS for years now. I give his kids more credit than to be swayed by their mothers. They are thoughtful and intelligent people with minds of their own, just like all of us here are who have seen this for ourselves with amazing clarity going back over a decade now.

Seeing that old footage of him being all kissy face with Meri and Christine - He is FOS that he never cared for any of them. He is rewriting history to suit himself so he doesn't have to take ownership or blame for his responsibility in their unhappiness and leaving him. It's just like him taking that photo of Robyn's kids and putting his face in it and telling them he really was their dad all along. You can't rewrite history to suit your ego, but that's just what he tries to do. I am sure that in his mind if he could he would take his face out of every photo with his original children - and I fully believe that's just the message he has sent to THEM with is behavior all by himself, without any of their moms needing to egg them on!

I am SURE that he tells himself that he never would have married any of the OG wives or had their kids if he wasn't pushed by the church he belonged to or someone he looked up to into polygamy. Of course none of it can be his responsibility, including paying any attention to his kids by those original wives. He OWES it to his family to take that responsibility. I don't care what any of his wives or his kids did, I am sure there is NOTHING that would make me see his behavior here in any other context but pure ego and selfishness to a degree that's frankly shocking, but not that shocking as I never expected more from him to be honest.

3 hours ago, b2H said:

I believe Gabe went through some counseling, possibly through his college.  They have counseling at most universities now.  Especially given he was the one who found his brother, I am sure Gabe has made good use of those services.

Yes, I agree. I also wish that Garrison could have benefitted from counseling. I don't know if he did go but if not he should have. Poor thing. And of course we will wonder just how much of his unhappiness was because of their father's pig headed avoidance of him and the others. Kody will have to live with that but knowing him he will just find ways to rewrite history to make himself completely innocent and make his kids and ex wives the villains.

[Joan of Argh]

6 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Raw with Avalon, and I believe encapsulated with the twins. I don’t remember which birth but she also added it to smoothies.

Don’t shoot the messenger. 👀

For anyone who requires a visual 🫤

[surfgirl]

Wow, Kody just keeps becoming a bigger and bigger dbag every week,doesn't he? Unreal.

I'm glad thr OG13 have each other for love and support. I'm also glad Christine and Janelle have each other. I just wish they could forgive Meri fir whatever it is they feel she's done to them, and throw some support her way too. Then again, I'm sure a lot went down that we don't know about. 

Edited October 16 by surfgirl

[Teafortwo]

I think that, with respect to Janelle, Kody saying he "never loved" his OG3 wives is a way to save face, like "You're leaving me? Well great, because I never loved you!" Fwiw, I believe him when he says he never loved Christine - but I'm sure he loved that she took care of all the kids and "kept sweet" while Janelle brought in income. Not sure whether he ever loved Meri, but possibly when he got to know her after their short courtship and quick marriage, he discovered things about her personality that he didn't like. 

In any case, it was clear from the beginning that the way he felt about Robyn was very different from how he felt about his other wives after the 15+ years he'd been married to them by the time Robyn showed up. 

[Elodia]

6 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Savannah telling her brothers that she’ll probably ask them to walk her down the aisle at her wedding over her father has to be a huge knife to the kidneys for Kody, right?! 

Sadly, I really don't think he cares. I think the only girls he will walk down the aisle will be Aurorabreannariella. I despise him so much!

[Yeah No]

7 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

For anyone who requires a visual 🫤

We really need a vomit emoji!!! 🤮🤮🤮

Edited October 15 by Yeah No

[Granny58]

17 hours ago, Dibs said:

If Robyn "always wanted polygamy," why did she initially marry a monogamist and/or at least have a monogamous relationship with him?

would be interesting to see how she would react if Kody brought in a newer, shinier wife.  Does she really want polygamy or to be the youngest, most loved among many?  

[Yeah No]

5 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

I think that, with respect to Janelle, Kody saying he "never loved" his OG3 wives is a way to save face, like "You're leaving me? Well great, because I never loved you!" Fwiw, I believe him when he says he never loved Christine - but I'm sure he loved that she took care of all the kids and "kept sweet" while Janelle brought in income. Not sure whether he ever loved Meri, but possibly when he got to know her after their short courtship and quick marriage, he discovered things about her personality that he didn't like. 

In any case, it was clear from the beginning that the way he felt about Robyn was very different from how he felt about his other wives after the 15+ years he'd been married to them by the time Robyn showed up. 

He takes sour grapes to a new level and he's clueless about how immature it looks. I don't believe that even he can marry a woman and have her children if he didn't have feelings of affection for her in some way and I doubt that look of love in his eyes for Meri in the early days was an act. There are many different levels and forms of caring and love but it's like he wants to deny any of it. A mature person would acknowledge that and say he wasn't able to care for them in the way they deserved to be cared for so he can understand why they would want to leave.

What gets me is that he is the king of projection. He accused Janelle of treating him like a "piece of meat" when what would he be doing if he never cared for her but using her as a "piece of meat" and means to an end for having children?

[Granny58]

13 hours ago, Pingaponga said:

My guess is that things began to really break down between Kody and his kids when Ysabel had her surgery which was in... 2020? 2021? They saw that their father wasn't there for her when she was going through a major surgery in a completely different state far away.

And then they saw him say on tv that he had to stay home because Solomon and Ariel were so young and he couldn't be gone for more than a couple of days. Well, you know what dude, lots of parents have to travel for more than a couple of days at a time for work, and the kids survive. Talk to kids whose parents serve in the military or work on oil rigs elsewhere. They don't see their kids for many, many months. Do the kids like it? No. Do the kids survive? Yes.

His original 13 kids saw him prioritize two little kids who had a mother and three much older siblings to look after them and keep them entertained. They saw their teenaged sister suffering with no supportive father anywhere in sight.

And I think that's when the blinders came off for the kids.

 

yes this for sure.  But also the horrible scene when Gabe was opening up to Asshat and was dismissed....heartbreaking.  Also also, yanking one of is sons (don't remember which one) out of LV high school when he was in line for a scholarship via his wrestling.  It was SO important to that son, and Janelle was "firm" about not uprooting them (good work Janelle), but none of that mattered because Kody had a hair up his ass about going.  

[Dibs]

11 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

would be interesting to see how she would react if Kody brought in a newer, shinier wife.  Does she really want polygamy or to be the youngest, most loved among many?  

Sort of like Christine, who only wanted to be the THIRD wife and was just fine with him having a favorite as long as she believed it was HER.

Kody won't be getting another wife.  He's truly, deeply in love for the first time in his life with Robyn.  He THOUGHT he was or could be a polygamist, but after 30 years he wasn't; people change.  Like MOST men who divorce their wives, he doesn't love his former wives (is that so unusual?  I think most children of divorce get this).  And like MOST fathers in his culture, he isn't warm and fuzzy to 18+ years old "adult" sons.  His own father wasn't toward him; in fact, they're kicked out of plural families/households.  Like MOST of us, he's human and flawed.

Personally, I think the online "mob with torches and pitchforks" is getting old.  All he needs is a big black handlebar mustache to twirl along with his golden curls, LOL.  It's now becoming "Kody Derangement Syndrome."

Edited October 15 by Dibs

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

For anyone who requires a visual 🫤

Splendor in the trash.  LOL 

5 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

I think that, with respect to Janelle, Kody saying he "never loved" his OG3 wives is a way to save face, like "You're leaving me? Well great, because I never loved you!" Fwiw, I believe him when he says he never loved Christine - but I'm sure he loved that she took care of all the kids and "kept sweet" while Janelle brought in income. Not sure whether he ever loved Meri, but possibly when he got to know her after their short courtship and quick marriage, he discovered things about her personality that he didn't like. 

In any case, it was clear from the beginning that the way he felt about Robyn was very different from how he felt about his other wives after the 15+ years he'd been married to them by the time Robyn showed up. 

and that difference is what I think he means by "never loved" the first 3 wives.  Now that he has experienced real love, he realizes that the supposed love he had before was performative.  OK, I get it.  But he should NEVER EVER say he didn't love them.  He could simply say he loved them in a different way and loved the life they provided.  

[Granny58]

10 minutes ago, Dibs said:

Like MOST men who divorce their wives, he doesn't love his former wives

DOESN'T love them is one thing.  NEVER loved them is quite another.  I don't think divorced men say they never loved their first wives.  

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Granny58 said:

would be interesting to see how she would react if Kody brought in a newer, shinier wife.  Does she really want polygamy or to be the youngest, most loved among many?  

Robyn better beware. The way things are getting strained between them and the rest of the family their relationship soon won't feel like enough for him and the next bright shiny object that catches his fancy might make him rewrite history yet again to make Robyn his "rebound person" so he can say he never really loved her either.

[laurakaye]

On 10/14/2024 at 12:33 PM, Roslyn said:

Robyn wanted the family that put on a show for her back in Lehi. 

So what's up with this story now?  Robyn pretty much laid it out there that Kody was "putting on a show" to get Robyn to join the family.  I need to know more.  If she's actually being honest (which I highly doubt), then she's saying Kody lied to her and was already over the whole plyg thing - he just needed that to hook Robyn.  But this is at odds with Kody's narrative about how much he supposedly loved having this big family.  Neither Kody nor Robyn are on the same page and they constantly contradict not only themselves, but each other.  It's incredibly annoying to try and follow their logic, but also to not be challenged by the producers to clarify their nonsense.  Although I suppose if pushed, Robyn will just start to dry-cry and Kody will stare with his Manson eyes and refuse to answer the question, so there's probably only so much production can get out of them

At this point I am here for the truth-bombs from the OG3 and the adult kids.

 

4 hours ago, Granny58 said:

OK, I get it.  But he should NEVER EVER say he didn't love them.  He could simply say he loved them in a different way and loved the life they provided.  

And he wonders why his adult kids are done with him.  That's a heartless thing to say about their mothers.  I hope all of them have blocked his number...not for if he tries to call them, but in case they were hoping he would.  That way they can't be even more disappointed in him then they already are.

And 100% to Robyn sittin' on the bathroom floor on Christmas Eve, pretending to be upset that she isn't getting the Christmas she wants.  I wonder how many of those pesky bonus kids haven't gotten the birthdays or Christmases they wanted because their dad didn't want them around?  I may have surpassed my own ceiling of how many times I said "Shut up, Robyn" to my television.   

Gabe gave us the perfect thread name for Kody..."If it's Brown and it Stinks, it's Dad." (paraphrasing)

 

Edited October 15 by laurakaye

[LotusFlower]

28 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

And 100% to Robyn sittin' on the bathroom floor on Christmas Eve, pretending to be upset that she isn't getting the Christmas she wants.  I wonder how many of those pesky bonus kids haven't gotten the birthdays or Christmases they wanted because their *** dad didn't want them around? 

I’m mindful of the prior Christmas, when Robyn and Kody and Meri were standing outside the house (of course) discussing whether or not they should invite the kids over for Christmas, and Robyn asked: “but is it SAFE?”  Spoiler alert - the kids were not invited.

Robyn took the big family for granted.  She and Kody thought they could play their selfish games and get away with it.  Big mistake. 

[barshi50]

3 hours ago, Granny58 said:

es this for sure.  But also the horrible scene when Gabe was opening up to Asshat and was dismissed....heartbreaking.  Also also, yanking one of is sons (don't remember which one) out of LV high school when he was in line for a scholarship via his wrestling.  It was SO important to that son, and Janelle was "firm" about not uprooting them (good work Janelle), but none of that mattered because Kody had a hair up his ass about going.  

That was Gabe. He wanted to stay in Vegas with Maddie and Caleb to finish school, but Kody wouldn't allow it. Gabe was heartbroken..

Kody said that it was the best time to move because "the triplets"  would have only a year to finish school, then there was a gap to the next group of kids. Or some such nonsense.

[ginger90]

7 minutes ago, barshi50 said:

That was Gabe. He wanted to stay in Vegas with Maddie and Caleb to finish school, but Kody wouldn't allow it. Gabe was heartbroken..

Kody said that it was the best time to move because "the triplets"  would have only a year to finish school, then there was a gap to the next group of kids. Or some such nonsense.

I don’t remember Kody saying anything about that, but the memory isn’t what it used to be. I do remember Janelle saying no to Gabe staying in Vegas though.