S13.E13: Tapas and Tattletales

[sistermagpie]

Further thinking about the AM/Crystal thing, what's with AM saying she had to address the "elephant in the room" when she meant she wanted to bring up something only she knew about? 

For the clip of Crystal saying the others were uneducated, she obviously said it and it was obviously snotty, but it seems like it was a clip where she was talking about some fight she was having--probably the whole "violated" thing where everyone disagreed with her that saying "I felt violated" did not have to mean, "Crystal raped me" That's pretty different from her walking up to a new person and telling her all these women are shallow and uneducated and also she's the only real socialite.

[WaltersHair]

Erika, the reaction you got was appropriate. That reaction said "I'm going to text my lawyer and get back to you on whether what you read is true and factual." She's about a season or two from blind loyalty.

[dbell1]

Erika, let’s talk about the $25 million since you’re ready to bring up how Tom spent the money.

5.8 needs to sit in a corner. At this point, she could tell me the show airs on Bravo on Wednesday and I’d go check listings to be sure it didn’t move networks and days.

Kyle, oh shut up. 5.8 didn’t do anything but stare at Crystal.

Dorit, really, you’re living in a rented house, your husband has a gambling issue, you’re a grifter that can’t afford your wardrobe, and the best you can come up with is Crystal got married at 24? Shoo. 

[For Cereals]

1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

Crystal is sick and AM is there to help - that would make me sicker.

And if I were Crystal and AM tried to attend to me, I’d look at production and say I want a real doctor.  No shade to nurses, just AM.  Shut up Kyle!

[Pi237]

Crystal said that shit. She’s not a good liar. But Anna Karenina talks like a moron. Both her ‘I wanna thank you..’ and ‘elephant in the room’ grandstanding made no sense and was painfully tryhard. She talks like she thinks she’s tough stuff, but she’s just annoying. Fly away, Gnat. 
 

As always, this show delivers on the vacation porn.

 

[BusyOctober]

AM and Dorit teaming up against Crystal will not go well.  Garcelle and Sutton will defend her and shore her up.  Kyle, Erica and Dorit all have very low Emotional IQ’s so they need to rely on gossip and mean girl behavior to cover their insecurities. AM is too desperate and stupid to see she will only be used as Queen Bee Kyle’s shit stick to stir the pot.  

AnneMarie’s husband’s 8.5 assessment seems pretty accurate.  I assume he was basing it on a “1 to 100” scale. 

Crystal is capable of having said negative things about these women, but that’s true of every single one of them!  They air-kiss each other 15 times per show and tell each other how cute their stupid hats and purses are, then they recite their Bravo approved and pre written snarky remarks about the others in their TH’s.  

Erika and her (incorrect) sense of self satisfaction over the earring decision just put  her ignorance and sociopathic lack of empathy on full display all over again.  

Why didn’t Dorit resurrect her PTSD diatribe in advance of this trip? Where were the histrionics over being away from home??  How will she manage without Bubb-uh the Hutt  PK near by?? How can she feel safe in a foreign land where thousands of strangers roam looking for opportunities to rob her?? Who’s with the children?? 

 

[dancingdreamer]

My hubby's been in hospital,  so I haven't  had much to grin about. But watching  Sutton  and Garcelle  giggling,  as Sutton  pretended  to be one of the' little people ' did make me smile. Cute!  I love that Sutton knew Merce Cunningham,  and Erika didn't.  I doubt  good old Mikey did either. Why doesn't  Erika give the money  from the earrings to the victims, good karma on your side, makes  life much sweeter. Other than that,  not interested. 

I'm sorry,  I didn't  understand Doritos  dig at Crystal  being a child bride. I got married  at 18, Rob and Crystal  seem happy  enough. Dorit looks awful,   huge fake lashes on her thin, almost  gaunt  face,  big pouty lips, she reminded  me of Bette Davis 

I cant  stand  AM, she's  not connecting  with the other HWs ,or the audience  imho. 

[dancingdreamer]

35 minutes ago, For Cereals said:

And if I were Crystal and AM tried to attend to me, I’d look at production and say I want a real doctor.  No shade to nurses, just AM.  Shut up Kyle!

Yes, me too. It's probably  something to do with  the altitude. I like Crystal,  she's changed  over  the few years  she's  been  on the show.

[Cheyanne11]

AnneMarie is an asshole and Dorit isn’t far behind.  
 

And the irony of the person who has spent her entire time on the show talking about someone’s esophagus saying anyone else doesn’t bring anything to the table is off the charts.

Edited January 25 by Cheyanne11

[Surrealist]

10 hours ago, SassyCat said:

AKKKK!!! Please! No! A Million times NO! 🤯😱🤢🤮
I’m begging ya!

[dmeets]

- “This house was built in the 14th century, over 700 years ago”

- ”Wowwww, Jesus times”

Yeah…  I think Crystal may have (allegedly) had a point. 

Edited January 25 by dmeets

[Ss55]

I don’t think anyone watching really gives a shit if Crystal said any of it because a) AnnAsshole is so vile and her delivery so obnoxious that it cancels out any accusations she lobs against Crystal and b) even if she did say it…she isn’t wrong.

Erika still just does not get it. She will continue to play the victim and have zero empathy for the real victims.

Dorit is very much a passive aggressive shady racist twat. As she criticized Kyle’s clothing it was all a veiled attempt to show her disgust with Kyle’s new BFF/new life/new sexual orientation/new style and realizing she has no part in any of it. She’s acting like a jealous girlfriend. 

[JAYJAY1979]

3 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

AM seems to be pretty ADHD. She has a hard time focusing and she is very impulsive in what she says. Being high energy and quick is probably very helpful at the hospital, but in a chill social setting she always seems to bounce off the walls. I actually like her, and I feel for her since she seems to also lack social skills. 

I don't know why anyone cares what Dorit says, no one likes her that much. It's not like they are good friends and she hurt them. 

I don't really like Krystal's clothes. Her style of flowing skirts with a cut out and cupped shoulders looks weird to me. 

I don't think Sutton paid for the trip just because I don't think she would ever pick that hotel/lodging area. She might have swung for the private jet though, since doesn't Bravo put people on commercial?  I do think Bravo paid for the glam squads to come as well and they all went commercial flight. 

 

AM seems to be having the same issue that Kathryn in season 6 previously had.  Being a mid season addition with just one purpose and one purpose only.  

We hardly had time to get to know either woman before they were required to cause drama.  The editors are partly to blame for just focusing on AM's obsession with Sutton's medical issue instead of seeing AM in her job, family, and friends outside the other women.  It would have been smarter to keep AM isolated for 1 or 2 episodes as we got to know her before throwing into the lion's den.  Kathyn in season 6 also was thrown in with the other women before viewers got to know her.

I think there should be a rule that the first night of the cast trip should be fun and no fights.   

[SemiCharmedLife]

What an interesting villa!  I LOVE that Sutton had everyone draw numbers for their rooms.  I've seen soooo many HW's shows where the ladies selfishly take the better rooms without a thought for others, or they complain about the room they received, or fight about the rooms.  This was a fair way to divvy up the rooms and everyone was nice about their accommodations. I hope this rubs off on other franchises or future trips with these ladies.

[Surrealist]

I love Garcelle and Sutton's friendship. Their personalities complement each other really well. They have fun together. I agree that they need their own travel show. I would look forward to it weekly.

I, too, don't care what Crystal said about the others. She wasn't entirely wrong. Even Sutton defended her at the dinner, and I really liked what she said about how she and Crystal have had their problems, but built their way up to a friendship. Plus she told Crystal to continue sticking up for herself. 

Honestly, I'm glad that Sutton and Crystal have become real friends. They're also complementary personalities.

I really want to like AnneMarie, but it seems she's dug in her heels for the wrong reasons: Sutton's esophageal issue and Crystal's insecurity. I still don't care for the fact that AM's husband sees her as a 8.5. I think that's incredibly obnoxious for a husband to say to his wife's face (especially given the allegations against him by other women).

I'm not going to add to the criticisms of AM's physical appearance because that has nothing to do with her obnoxious personality. I'm not exactly a supermodel. 😂

I do like that she seems happy with how she looks.

I haven't minded Erika this season. That was until she brought up the diamond earrings. She needs to let that go. It's not like that changes the other ladies' minds anyway.

As far as Dorit is concerned--the "child bride" comment wasn't lost on me. I'm guessing she thought that was safer to say rather than just coming out and calling Crystal a "mail order bride," which is what she really meant anyway. 

Interesting tea about AM from RH subreddit.

 

Edited January 25 by Surrealist

[CrinkleCutCat]

Erika: We all KNOW that client’s money was used to buy the goddamn earrings!

There just wasn’t sufficient evidence, or proof, on the source of the $750,000 used to purchase the earrings.

The Court ruling doesn’t mean she has been vindicated. Her reaction though, solidifies my dislike of her nasty soul. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

13 hours ago, SassyCat said:

AKKKK!!! Please! No! A Million times NO! 🤯😱🤢🤮
I’m begging ya!

They are showing some old seasons. I watch until Rinna appears. She’s absolutely gross, on the outside and on the inside.

[ZettaK]

 

4 hours ago, chick binewski said:

That's true - we have not heard Annemarie identify herself as a doctor on-camera, however Bravo's press releases referred to her as an anesthesiologist. She did not mention she was a nurse to Sutton and Crystal and at least one medical association has accused Annemarie of misrepresenting her education and training.

My biggest issue with Annemarie is that she is a medical professional who has aggressively challenged (to various people as well as a television audience) the condition of someone she's never treated. Granted, we only know of her what we see on TV but I've been treated by a lot of nurses and Annemarie does not seem capable of their discretion or compassion.

I checked at least three of Bravo's press releases (most of them from October), and they refer to her as a nurse anesthetist, and in one as a registered nurse. As for a medical association accusing her of misrepresenting herself, I doubt its governing body watched the show. It seems to me that it was second hand information- somebody notified it. I wonder who. A blogger, a gossip site? Somebody else? And I don't think she misrepresent herself.

I agree that Annemarie doesn't appear to be a compassionate person, at least on tv. 

Edited January 25 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

2 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

AM seems to be having the same issue that Kathryn in season 6 previously had.  Being a mid season addition with just one purpose and one purpose only.  

We hardly had time to get to know either woman before they were required to cause drama.  The editors are partly to blame for just focusing on AM's obsession with Sutton's medical issue instead of seeing AM in her job, family, and friends outside the other women.  It would have been smarter to keep AM isolated for 1 or 2 episodes as we got to know her before throwing into the lion's den.  Kathyn in season 6 also was thrown in with the other women before viewers got to know her.

I think there should be a rule that the first night of the cast trip should be fun and no fights.   

I just read that she was edited to show this specific storyline.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Dorit needs to stop referring to herself in the third-person when she talks to her children.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Kyle has replaced alcohol with Birkins and Kellys. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Not one of you posted about “Thank God that I'm not lonely, and I’m not insecure”?!?!?

 

 

[Soapy Goddess]

14 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Can it get any worse? Seriously.

With Rinna it absolutely CAN get worse. Plus the fact that nobody wants see her lying, mean girl two-face. With friends like her, who needs enemies.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Also AM telling Crystal, “We’re gonna get to you.”

 

 

[SassyCat]

7 hours ago, ZettaK said:

The season has great ratings, the best in years.

It was a trick! A lure!

By Getting rid of Rinna, lost viewers returned to give Bravo another chance.

That has to be why views are high this season. 

We thought we’d be able to watch without having to deal with complete insanity watching that crapfest, and then when it looked like the coast was basically clear, they go and plop THIS elephant in the room. 

What is WRONG with these people? Do they interview to search for the most obnoxious person they could possibly find to give a perfectly good open spot to? 

I absolutely think this is so. All they did, was reinforce their low brow tendency to impose a foul display with this Kyle and producer convoluted trash, and again, pass it off as entertainment. For you and me.
 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika dresses either ridiculously schlumpy or ridiculously over-styled and ridiculously trying too hard.

 

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, Steph J said:

I wish I could be that right about something when I'm drunk.

"She has nothing to talk about except for me" says the woman who has had nothing to talk about other than Sutton's esophagus until episode 13. Okey 

I thought it was strange that Crystal who attacked Sutton for three seasons, calling her crazy, racist, somebody she didn't know because she only knows people who are important, that she felt violated by her, etc., and then she most probably was friendly with her to redeem herself, and because Sutton probably initiated it, but they don't really seem to be that friendly anymore per their social media (it's mostly about the HW events) would have such a reaction. I suspect she needed a storyline, as well, not only Annemarie, and being a little drunk gave her some courage.

As for Dorit, calling Crystal a child bride was payback for the uneducated and shallow comment, but it was not equal payback- the child bride comment was worse. 

Erika's therapy is not really working. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

AnneMarie, Not a Doctor - - Sshh! (tm Brooklyn 99), reminds me of Kelly Killoren Bensimon with the flitting around, interrupting, delusion, weirdo nonsensical claims, aggression, condescending attitude, nervously touching and adjusting her hair, and somehow not being able to read or even skim a room.

[Chatty Cake]

While I think Dorit is an asshole and a bit racist, I don’t think the child bride comment was that awful. There are rumors that Crystal was 17 when she and Rob met although the official age they claim is 20.  No, they didn’t start dating when she was 17 but it still seems a bit problematic as Crystal would say. That said I really like Crystal, and enjoy her scenes at home.
Erika should shut up about her “vindication” regarding the earrings. They were gotten with ill gains and she gives zero fucks just like her trashy song. 
No Annemarie, you did not make Crystal relevant. I like that she’s usually not in a screaming match or creating scenes for camera time. Annemarie on the other hand is the second most hated current housewife after Monica on Salt Lake. 

[Pi237]

They bring these abrasive, do anything the producers tell me to, people on and we give them clicks and comments about how much we hate them. Then, they Only see the clicks and comments and think - Yay! Ratings Gold! The old ‘any publicity is good publicity’ which sucks because they ruin the show.  I suppose they feel it’d be worse if we all said how Boring the season was.   But I’d rather boring than having high blood pressure every time I have to see these horrible additions on the screen, practically close-lining everyone to grab that sweet camera time.   Really, there’s enough narcissism and delusion among the cast, they’ll create their own drama organically. Stop trying to wrecking ball these people in, they have no chill and it brings the flow to a screeching halt. 
 

 

[Slakkie]

11 hours ago, goofygirl said:

It's obvious to me that AM can't read a room for shit.  Everyone seems to be getting along and enjoying the tapas, but here we go with the "Crystal situation".

Jeebus.

Worse than that its like she HAS to pick on one person at all times. Like one of those 1940's missiles locked on something...ooops it is gone.  BAM find another.

And DORITO actually saying she has a career?  Is grifting a career?  I mean Crystal actually has a real business that makes real money and does not have creditors chasing her down.  Saying that I have no doubt that Crystal thinks soe of these fools think they are better than they are - because its true ('Introducing FASHION DESIGNER Dorit Kelmsey). BTW Dorito where are all of those bridal gowns again???

[Keywestclubkid]

Its just so weird Anna8.5 couldn't make the feud with Sutton work so now shes trying with crystal ... crystal isnt the one attacking 8.5 so how is it her that is trying to make 8.50 her story line? the mental gymnastics that woman does to justify her point is just bonkers ... She would be the LAST nurse id ever want around me like her bedside manner is nonexistent

Edited January 25 by Keywestclubkid

[Keywestclubkid]

46 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

While I think Dorit is an asshole and a bit racist, I don’t think the child bride comment was that awful.

it wouldn't be (as) bad if THIS was the only Microaggression that she has done to a castmate of color but its NOT... and its been repeatedly pointed out over and over to her   ... she was 24 when she was married not 12 and she has been married to the same man for almost 18 years ... this bullshit will not stop until someone holds her accountable ...

Edited January 25 by Keywestclubkid

[janiema]

Crystal was probably talking about Kyle and Erika when she said the HW’s were shallow and uneducated. Dorit is merely shallow. 

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

I do think that Crystal believes that some of the cast is uneducated and shallow, and she isn’t wrong (see Kyle and Erika), I do believe that she did not tell AM that at their first meeting. 
 

The lonely and insecure statement was a truly crappy and stupid thing to say. What a jerk, and she  needs to learn how to apologize.

[BusyOctober]

I only watch RHOBH,  but from the ads for the other Hw franchisee, it seems Bravo/ Andy thinks picking fights and throwing shade is all women do when they hang out.  Where else but a HW girls trip, charity event, dinner party, baby shower, spa day, spiritual cleanse retreat  would “friends” or even newly met acquaintances gather around and kick off the fun and festivities by taking control of the conversation by dropping their “truth bombs” on friends/hosts/coworkers/almost complete strangers?  
 

I have never once stood up during a night out with friends and called out someone who invited me and who I have willfully chosen to spend time with. “Hey, everyone! Thanks to my new BFF Allie for having us at this beautiful place with these beautiful strong, supportive women!  Let’s raise a glass and here’s to hoping Liza’s son can beat those drug charges!  And maybe someone should give Bev a non-alcoholic drink?   We all know how she gets, especially since Wanda told us all you keep two flasks of vodka in your Birkin your husband gave you to make up for sleeping with Tonya. CHEERS LADIES!!!
 

 

[Dixie Sugarbaker]

Erika, you have not been vindicated yet in your court case. It was a technicality and if they prove the earrings were paid by client funds you will lose them. The ladies understand that hence the non- celebratory reactions from them.

[zengirl1215]

11 hours ago, Axie said:

I’m not drunk.  Haven’t had a drop of alcohol and I’m going to call Annewhoever a bitch because Annewhoever is a bitch.

I haven't watched the episode yet, but I almost just spit out my coffee. Love this! 🤣 

[Straycat80]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

We didn't hear Annemarie saying she is a doctor on the show. She said she is a nurse from the beginning - her first scene with Kyle in her garden. 

No, Crystal said she met AM at a party, off camera, at some point and AM told her she was a doctor. Crystal said that in a TH a few episodes back.

[Baltimore Betty]

11 minutes ago, Dixie Sugarbaker said:

Erika, you have not been vindicated yet in your court case. It was a technicality and if they prove the earrings were paid by client funds you will lose them. The ladies understand that hence the non- celebratory reactions from them.

The fact Erika is STILL talking about the earrings, at this point they are gone, who cares, buy a fake pair of earrings and move on!

[Baltimore Betty]

10 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

she reminded  me of Bette Davis 

Don't do Bette like that, Bette would have made mince meat out of Dorit, lol.

I'm sorry your husband is in the hospital, it is stressful for everyone and the unknowns or even the knowns can be so much to navigate, hugs to you both, we are all here to make you laugh and feel good that AnneMarie of the 8.5 is not one of your medical professionals.

[65mickey]

5 hours ago, SassyCat said:

What is WRONG with these people? Do they interview to search for the most obnoxious person they could possibly find to give a perfectly good open spot to? 

 

Yes I think you got it right. Look at Monica on the Salt Lake City franchise. 

[Pi237]

14 minutes ago, Dixie Sugarbaker said:

Erika, you have not been vindicated yet in your court case. It was a technicality and if they prove the earrings were paid by client funds you will lose them. The ladies understand that hence the non- celebratory reactions from them.

Also, even If the earrings weren’t paid for by money that came directly from client funds-they were indirectly since that’s their household income. Even if he used money that was earned legitimately, the fact that he stole other money and used that for Other things, it’s all from the same pot. I’m not explaining this well, but it was never about Where the money came from, but that they were bought for her by a thief. And the thief’s victims are struggling to pay medical bills etc and she’s strutting around wearing earrings worth more than their homes. She might not legally owe them anything, but morally-Damn, that’s next level greed. 
 

Sutton’s closet looks like a store. It’s massive and packed, wow. I’m not into clothes etc so not jealous of that, but definitely envious of their homes and their skinny bodies. 

[Baltimore Betty]

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Erika dresses either ridiculously schlumpy or ridiculously over-styled and ridiculously trying too hard.

 

OMG, those Tony Soprano warm up suits she wears for travel are so bad, even Escada/Gucci/Versace/Chanel/whom ever made those things makes mistakes.

That house was nice but I did half expect the ghost of Ricardo Montalban to appear and mention "The fine Corinthian leather," the only ghosts those HW's have to worry about is their old noses.

[Mar]

I don’t like the trend on the housewives shows of the women sexually objectifying the young men who wait on them in restaurants, etc. An example from this episode is when Garcelle and then Erica were saying they wanted to tag team and take the young man who was their dinner chef, Erica saying that she would have him after Garcelle. Imagine if two men were talking like that about and in front of a young woman who was waiting on them. We would be pretty outraged. Why is it now considered OK for women to do this? On an episode of the Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip that took place at Dorinda‘s estate, the young waiter/butler was so harassed that he sued Bravo. 

https://deadline.com/2023/10/butler-real-housewives-ultimate-girls-trip-sues-bravo-sexually-assaulted-brandi-glanville-phaedra-parks-1235581218/

9 hours ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

What an interesting villa!  I LOVE that Sutton had everyone draw numbers for their rooms.  I've seen soooo many HW's shows where the ladies selfishly take the better rooms without a thought for others, or they complain about the room they received, or fight about the rooms.  This was a fair way to divvy up the rooms and everyone was nice about their accommodations. I hope this rubs off on other franchises or future trips with these ladies.

One word…RAMONA

[Maximona]

My head exploded when I found out Sutton has Merce Cunningham's ashes.  (I am still picking up the pieces. 😀 )    He was/is a very, very Big Deal in the world of contemporary dance.  I had no idea Sutton was once a dancer.

We now know Kyle journals!!!  (Quick shot of her with open notebook on the plane.)  That oughta hit The New York Times bestseller list circa 2026.

And day-em, AnneMarie!  Way to buzzkill the party!  Couldn't you have waited until the apres-dinner drunken hilarity—I believe this is an actual Bravo Ho'Wife contract stipulation:  At dinner, you will all get drunk, and after dinner, you must character-assassinate one another—to begin the Crystal dissing?

Viz Crystal:  Don't we all (secretly or not so secretly) want other people to think we're exceptional (i.e. better than the rest?)  Isn't that why AnneMarie is constantly trotting out her CRNA credential?  

It is true that Crystal is one of the only two non-exhibitionists amidst the current crop of Ho'Wives.  Does this make her "boring"?  (Well, to be honest... a little.)

Garcelle would be the other non-exhibitionist.  But Garcelle doesn't need to be an exhibitionist; she's naturally charismatic.

Edited January 25 by Maximona

[Cheyanne11]

7 minutes ago, Maximona said:

And day-em, AnneMarie!  Way to buzzkill the party!

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room."  What a producer set-up, as everyone was having a nice time and there was zero awkward tension.  And brava to Garcelle's "if THIS is the way AnneMarie apologizes, I don't want to hear it" (or words to that effect)  Her defensive tone connotated anything but a true apology.  And, yes, now that she couldn't make the Sutton feud work, she's zeroed in on Crystal.  Go away, 8.5.  

Massive eyeroll at Kyle bringing her Birkin to a dinner party where they didn't even leave the house.  

 

[pasdetrois]

Is there published documentation on the ratings this season? Given the streaming environment, it's hard to track who's watching. I'm not; I've been sticking to this forum for the shade and notable updates. Still waiting for them to dump Erika. The fact that she's still collecting a Bravo paycheck and gloating about those fucking earrings depresses me to the core.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, pasdetrois said:

Is there published documentation on the ratings this season? Given the streaming environment, it's hard to track who's watching. I'm not; I've been sticking to this forum for the shade and notable updates. Still waiting for them to dump Erika. The fact that she's still collecting a Bravo paycheck and gloating about those fucking earrings depresses me to the core.

https://tvdeets.com/ratings/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/

its been holding over a million steady

[Pi237]

23 minutes ago, Mar said:

I don’t like the trend on the housewives shows of the women sexually objectifying the young men who wait on them in restaurants, etc. An example from this episode is when Garcelle and then Erica were saying they wanted to tag team and take the young man who was their dinner chef, Erica saying that she would have him after Garcelle. Imagine if two men were talking like that about and in front of a young woman who was waiting on them. We would be pretty outraged. Why is it now considered OK for women to do this? 

Agree 100% Storm is an employee of theirs while on this trip. That was so gross and straight out sexual harassment. I was so disappointed to see Garcelle participate in that. We women have fought for decades to stop this kind of behavior from our bosses and coworkers. It’s not ‘cute’ when the genders are reversed. Imagine if Erika said she’d tag team one of their sons??? Disgusting.