Scarlett45 December 28, 2023 Share December 28, 2023 Quote The Sister Wives react to the explosive season finale where Meri and Kody decide their marriage is over. They also have the chance to set the record straight as they hear what the viewers thought of it all via viewer questions and social media posts. Air Date: December 29, 2023 Mod Note: According to my research the episode will air at 8pm Central, with the episode thread to unlock towards the end- the live chat thread will be open. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/
Popular Post Orcinus orca December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 (edited) Since the forums crapped out again, I kept track of some thoughts while watching. These people have the ugliest furniture ever. Sorry to leather lovers but the endless sea of brown leather was ugh. Was Meri making up one of the rooms at the B&B? Those dolls lined up were creepy. Meri appears to have lost weight and is looking a lot healthier. Shedding that curly topped tumor has helped. Kootie says he didn’t break “the covenant” but didn’t that involve having Meri as a wife? Short memory, dude, you have repeatedly said (on camera) that you don’t consider yourself married to her and haven’t for years. Do you even know the definition of covenant or was it on your Word of the Day calendar? The production staff must hate Kootie. Lots of shots of him slouched on the couch, looking angry/bored and checking his watch. It was hilarious when Kootie dumped on Jeff, the one person on earth who supports Kootie and Sobbyn. Obviously, he never even read the comment. Came across, as usual, as a total raving moronic lunatic. And then tried to justify his tantrum with his “poor me” speech. Good job alienating his single fan. I certainly hope the women have lawyered up and have gotten that property issue settled. Kootie’s math is absurd. The whole “Meri has one child” thing means nothing, it’s just punitive. The minute Kootie declares something is a lie automatically makes me believe it’s the truth. Glad that Janelle is calling Sparkle Pony Princess on her superior attitude about Janelle’s choices. I will give props to Jenn for calling out Sobbyn’s selfishness. Loved the reactions when Sobbyn did her dramatic wailing exit to “take a walk”. Best line: Christine essentially saying Kootie is digging is own grave with his mouth and needs to STFU. I was pretend puking right along with Christine. Meri and Jenn cracking up at the pond scene was great. PS, where were the “six pack abs”? “I hope she finds peace because I have”. Says all there is to say about that disgusting piece of shit. That was downright cruel. Jenn and Meri chortling and Sobbyn fake blubbering at the same time was beautiful. At the end Kootie moans that his blood pressure was high and he felt sick. What, no fetal position on the floor? And after all that was said and done, he still firmly believes he is the injured party. Eat shit and die, you idiot. If I hear the “either knife in the kidney” or “sitting on the porch with my sister wives” one more time, I will shoot the TV. Edited December 31, 2023 by Orcinus orca grammar matters 23 15 11 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252163
Popular Post mythoughtis December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 (edited) I would have loved to comment on this episode live/ but I couldn’t get to the forum last night. Robyn again looked extremely uncomfortable and obviously did not want to participate. She apologized to Kody a couple of times for comments that were shown in clips She did however call Kody on the carpet for his ‘act and performance’ quips. Kody continues to consider himself blameless. For the first time ever, Jen was a delight. She was spot on with her comments about Robyn’s behavior in the clips. She added what we all already knew- Robyn didn't spend time with Meri except for filming. I no longer negatively view Meri for her attempt to have an emotional connection online. It sounds like Kody had ghosted her in addition to the legal divorce, and that he considered the marriage over. It’s been made painfully obvious that is what happened as soon as the legal divorce happened. I liked Janelle’s comments about Christine- but I must point out that the TH in the clips are meant to be ‘their thoughts when the original clip was filmed’. When Janelle first said she wanted to ‘stay separated’, she WAS undecided about her future with/without Kody. Christine was going with that vibe. I don’t think Christine currently thinks Janelle is undecided about her future. Edited December 30, 2023 by mythoughtis 26 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252164
Orcinus orca December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, mythoughtis said: I would have loved to comment on this episode live/ but I couldn’t get to the forum last night. The PTV forum was down again so that wasn't possible anyway. No idea what time it came back up. 1 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252170
mythoughtis December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said: The PTV forum was down again so that wasn't possible anyway. No idea what time it came back up. That’s what I meant by I couldn't get to the forum. I tried - a LOT, LOL. I’m way too invested in this show. 13 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252173
Popular Post MsMalin December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Funny how my opinion of people has changed over the years. I actually liked Meri and her friend laughing and commenting. I am happy to see she sees what a total ass Robyn and Kody are. 32 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252184
Popular Post altopower December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 The whole show was a hoot. We'd seen the original clips before, but watching them respond with laughter and sarcastic comments just made me happy, especially with Robyn pretending she wasn't sitting anywhere near Kody while he slouched and pouted and checked his watch. Methinks his great luv isn't so in luv with him these days. 21 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252193
Popular Post Yeah No December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 52 minutes ago, Orcinus orca said: Kootie says he didn’t break “the covenant” but didn’t that involve having Meri as a wife? Short memory, dude, you have repeatedly said (on camera) that you don’t consider yourself married to her and haven’t for years. Do you even know the definition of covenant or was it on your Word of the Day calendar? I've been saying this for years now, but Kootie makes up his own rules as he goes along for everyone else to follow except him. When he breaks one of his own rules he either tries to hide it or just changes the rules to suit himself and no one else. At least dictators don't claim to be following any rules and admit that they're the ones that set them for everyone else, not follow them. But not this bastard. The truly heinous thing about what he did to Meri is tell her that they were still in some kind of "covenant/spiritual marriage" and "sealed", or whatever pseudo-religious mumbo jumbo claptrap he sold on her when he had zero intentions of following through on that himself. But of course he expected HER to follow through on it. He's a double-standard creating misogynist prick. I saw through that and this is the BIG reason I never blamed Meri for looking for love online. 16 11 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252195
Popular Post Gramto6 December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 (edited) I too missed being able to comment live, I hope the bugs here have finally been squashed for good!! I find this series of episodes much more enjoyable that the past few years of the regular show! We are seeing more honesty from the OG's and seeing more truths (which we already suspected) about the Kooter and Crybrows. I love seeing the OG's outright laugh at Kootie!! And love their comments on CB's "dramatics"! I'm beginning to think he had snowed CB just as he did the OG3 and she is beginning to see through it. I also believe she entered this family thinking she could take over and be the Queen and everyone would bow to her wants and needs. She didn't enter "innocent" into the family, she had her own motives. Kootie fed into her plan and for a while it looked like it might work, but the deceit has a way of coming out and things exploded beyond Kooties' or Crybrows' wildest imaginations. Their selfishness and overblown egos totally blew up this family. I'd kind of like more Talk Back episodes with everyone being totally honest. Of course Kootie doesn't know what that word means so we'd just have to take him at face value... They could probably eek out a full season of just that. The only thing I'd hate is to put more $$ in the Kootie/Crybrows pot. Hopefully everyone else has their own contracts by now. They probably don't want to get anywhere near this, but I'd like to hear something about how the adult kids felt through all this. I know it would be hard because Kootie is their Dad, so I understand why they might not want to get involved. Edited December 30, 2023 by Gramto6 17 4 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252215
Popular Post goofygirl December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 (edited) My favorite Douchie quote was " I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE and they left." That was a beautiful thing. Wonder if he's gonna do that with CryBrows next? Edited December 30, 2023 by goofygirl 28 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252250
Popular Post Shelbie December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Robyn must have been contractually bound to do this show because , to me, she wanted to be anywhere in the world but on that couch. She was deeply uncomfortable that the other wives and Jen were outright laughing and rolling their eyes (my favourite part 😀) with her dramatics. If she’s not the queen of Kody country she has no idea of her place in the world. 23 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252260
Popular Post Meow Mix December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 I was dubious when Jenn showed up to comment with Meri, but I really liked their interaction. They seemed to be genuinely enjoying themselves laughing at Kody and Robyn's dramatics. I also liked that Jenn seems to be trying to help Meri finally connect the dots around Kody and Robyn's constant lies to her. I even saw a lightbulb moment with Meri when they were watching the clip of Kody reminding Robyn of the covenant he made with her not to string her along if he was over her. Jenn pointed out as we all have that Robyn knew then (way before the catfish) that Kody has put Meri aside, but was still stringing her along. Kody is still trying to tie everything back to the catfish when in reality he broke the covenant probably before Robyn came along. He certainly broke it when he melted down the wedding ring and then later legally divorced Meri. I really hope Meri is finally deconstructing the delusion that Kody wanted to repair their marriage. He never did. Good for Janelle for pointing out again that she didn't need Christine to instruct her on how to leave Kody. Janelle has made some terrible choices about money, but I think she handled the rest of it well. And she was far kinder to Kody than he deserved. She didn't string him along with false hope, she just said she was done and wanted to stay separated. The only reason she considers herself married to him is because she can't sort out the religious aspect for herself. But, she is clearly done. I liked that Christine and Janelle really dissected that scene at the picnic table including laughing at Robyn's fake crying. Janelle hit the nail on the head when she said that Kody kept changing the narrative to try to get control over the situation with Meri and Meri was just not having it. I was disgusted when he said that she wasn't allowed to bring up anything he had said on camera. You said it, you own it, buddy. Also, Christine was absolutely right that Robyn was being selfish when she clearly knew that there was nothing in it for Meri to stick around yet kept insisting she do just that. And one more thing - Kitty!!!! The best cameo on the whole show. 23 5 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252308
Gramto6 December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 Yes! I almost forgot Kitty!! What a sweetheart! 😸 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252330
Popular Post TexasTiffany December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 ITA with what's been said. I'm really enjoying this show with the OG wives laughing and being sarcastic. Seeing Jenn, I thought she'd be annoying. Instead, she was a breath of fresh air. It's like she was the voice of the regular at-home viewer helping to put a fresh perspective on things for Meri. Plus, Meri needs a friend in her corner. TLC would make money selling "Kody-Hole and Crybrows" t-shirts. 28 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252331
Popular Post ezzy4 December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 I agree that Jenn was a much needed addition to this episode. She was allllll of us trying soooooo hard not to roll her eyes in front of Meri at Robyn's ridiculous antics. How is Meri still defending Robyn? How embarrassing. 30 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252345
Popular Post RedLA December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Does anyone think Coyote Pass will ever be anything but massive dirt lots with imaginary property lines? I don’t. 29 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252353
Orcinus orca December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 Just now, RedLA said: Does anyone think Coyote Pass will ever be anything but massive dirt lots with imaginary property lines? I don’t. Not while it is owned by the Brown Clowns. I bet it's sold off within a year of the show folding. They will need the money. 22 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252362
Popular Post ezzy4 December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Wait...Robyn is sobbing because her dream was to sit on a porch with her sister wives at Coyote Pass .... and... She thought the best way to achieve this was by legally marrying Kody and living a monogamous life with him in a large home they purchsed NOT on Coyote Pass?? 5 10 30 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252375
Popular Post dariafan December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 If you are going to be a lying liar that lies, don’t have your life filmed 13 14 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252448
altopower December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, ezzy4 said: She thought the best way to achieve this was by legally marrying Kody and living a monogamous life with him in a large home they purchased NOT on Coyote Pass?? It boggles the mind, doesn't it? 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252451
Rabbit Hutch December 30, 2023 Share December 30, 2023 39 minutes ago, dariafan said: If you are going to be a lying liar that lies, don’t have your life filmed There's so many, many layers of switchbacks, rewriting history, delusional thinking, and outright lies its hard to deconstruct it all. 🤥 Layers of many onions and all that. So many onions that I could make an onion tart tatin. 😋 8 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252489
Popular Post BAForever December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Count me in on enjoying the "Meri Redemption March". Really wish she would say "I was lonely and in a very dark place and I had an emotional affair online. I take responsibility for my actions. I am embarrassed and mortified that this happened. I'm sorry." Then, I want Meri to reconcile with Janelle and Christine. I think the three will never be able to be close, but if all 3 could be cordial, Kody's tiny head would explode. I think both Janelle and Christine have some sympathy/ empathy for Meri and do not wish her ill. Love that Janelle lays the blame on Kody, she's 100% right. He brought this all on himself. 30 7 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252548
Popular Post ladyscorpio December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 Christine's facial expressions watching Sobbyn fake crying were hilarious!! She was so funny, I was cracking up watching her making all those shocked faces when Sobbyn was pretending to have meltdown after meltdown. I love how Janelle and Christine are telling it like it is now in regards to Kody and Sobbyn. I've never blamed Meri for the catfishing thing, I totally understand why she started talking to someone, she was lonely, isolated and Kody spent all of his time with Sobbyn and abandoned everyone else. I'm so glad that she finally left him and is able to be happy and laugh again. The end of the show with Sobbyn, was so ridiculous with her grimacing her face, trying to act like she's going to hyperventilate saying "how do I turn this tablet off" over and over. That was so dramatic and over the top. She's a horrible actress. That was so weird!! I don't know who she thinks she's fooling. Kody is the only one dumb enough to fall for her lies and manipulations. 35 4 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252561
Popular Post Teri313 December 30, 2023 Popular Post Share December 30, 2023 (edited) My head starts spinning listening to Kody and Robyn. It's like Kody is speaking one language, Robyn is speaking another language, and then the OG3 are speaking the language that the rest of us understand. And apparently poor Jeff's grasp of the Kody language was just enough to piss Kody off and get himself yelled at, even though he was trying to be nice! lol Edited December 31, 2023 by Teri313 typo 7 22 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252595
Popular Post zamp33 December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share December 31, 2023 Just wondering if I missed something - but were ANY questions directed at Robyn or was it all Kody and the OG3? Robyn's body language clearly showed that she did not want to be there but I noticed that she did not have to answer any questions directed at her. Also I really wish they would have played the clip of Kody missing Gabe's birthday when Robyn was talking about what a great dad he was when they all had covid and how he took care of them all. Love Jen - she so was all of us and could see through Robyn's horrible treatment of Meri. I am glad she was part of the show. Watching them watch clips is so much better than the show was this last season. I hope they do more - I mean they cannot really do "Sister Wives" anymore, this could be a cheap and easy way to continue to milk all they can from this show - and yes I will still be watching. 32 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252629
SilverLake0315 December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 12 hours ago, mythoughtis said: When Janelle first said she wanted to ‘stay separated’, she WAS undecided about her future with/without Kody. Christine was going with that vibe. I don’t think Christine currently thinks Janelle is undecided about her future. ITA. I don’t think Janelle quite understood what was happening there. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252669
SemiCharmedLife December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 14 hours ago, Orcinus orca said: It was hilarious when Kootie dumped on Jeff, the one person on earth who supports Kootie and Sobbyn. Obviously, he never even read the comment. Came across, as usual, as a total raving moronic lunatic. And then tried to justify his tantrum with his “poor me” speech. Good job alienating his single fan. I loved all your points, but I had to comment on Kootie abusing his only supportive viewer. Even Rob'em figured out that Jeff was wishing them the best. I'm sure Kootie has no idea how to respond to a positive comment on social media...it's very rare! 3 18 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252780
Popular Post islandgal140 December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share December 31, 2023 12 hours ago, goofygirl said: My favorite Douchie quote was " I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE and they left." That was a beautiful thing. Wonder if he's gonna do that with CryBrows next? Every time TLC shows the clip of Kody saying 1st sternly: "I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE" Pause for dramatic TLC music and then he dejectedly says "and they left" I laugh uproariously. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. The only thing that would make it better is if the last part was said by Ron Howard Arrested Development narrator style. I too noticed no questions for Robyn. I don't know whether that was a stipulation of her participating or just that they couldn't find any with "nice" or soft ball questions for her. LOL Meri's a-ha moment was really illuminating. She really is quite naive. Also interesting how again Meri confirmed that Robyn would always flake on her when they did try to make plans to get together. I kinda went UGH when Jenn first showed up, but she made me regret that because she was a huge value add to Meri segment. So nice to see her laughing and giggling throughout the segment. Isn't it funny how all the wives who leave Kody lose weight, seem happier and look better than they have in ages? 10+ years of rejection can really take a toll on one's self esteem. I hope she is healing so she can move on and find romantic love. They will never build on CP. I keep noticing that Kody keeps trying to get one of the non-Robyn wives to start to build. My guess is so that they are the ones forced to pony up to put down the utilities on the property, which is a huge financial undertaking. I really enjoyed this episode and will likely re-watch. I think this was more enjoyable and interesting than the tell all and perhaps even half of this season. 28 7 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252792
Teri313 December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 18 minutes ago, islandgal140 said: They will never build on CP. I keep noticing that Kody keeps trying to get one of the non-Robyn wives to start to build. My guess is so that they are the ones forced to pony up to put down the utilities on the property, which is a huge financial undertaking. Excellent point! 17 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252799
Quof December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 6 hours ago, islandgal140 said: Every time TLC shows the clip of Kody saying 1st sternly: "I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE" Pause for dramatic TLC music and then he dejectedly says "and they left" They need to have Keith Morrison do a voiceover for the second part. 2 1 1 12 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252860
Guest December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 Since TLC has already employed the name "Pillow Talk"... "Couch Talk" is this the name for this show... Bring it.... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252882
BAForever December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 3 hours ago, artisto said: Since TLC has already employed the name "Pillow Talk"... "Couch Talk" is this the name for this show... Bring it.... Love the idea @artisto- how about "Ugly Brown Couch Talk"? 4 1 11 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252951
ButterQueen December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 23 hours ago, goofygirl said: My favorite Douchie quote was " I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE and they left." That was a beautiful thing. Wonder if he's gonna do that with CryBrows next? He’s such an idiot. He didn’t even get the irony of it all. Sign me up for more talks. I love knowing we, the audience, were not fooled by Kody and Robyn. I would pay to have a 3 parter with the adult kids. 🔥🔥🔥 19 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252952
General Days December 31, 2023 Share December 31, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Twopper said: I am too lazy to figure out which episode thread this belongs with so I will ask it here: at what point did Robyn make Kody make the solemn vow not to string her along if things got bad with their relationship? @Twopper, I brought this over from the Robyn thread, because they reviewed that "My sacred covenant to you" scene in the Talk Back Part 2, and I wanted to mention some of the "talk back" about it, that we got from Janelle, Jenn, and Meri. To answer your question, we can't really know, but from how Kody phrased it to Robyn, it sounds like Kody had to promise that to Robyn, before she would even agree to marry him, so it would have happened sometime during their courtship/engagement. I found it interesting that, in Talk Back Part 2, Janelle said she didn't think Kody was telling "the whole thing." After Janelle finished her thoughts, they cut right to Jenn (who was with Meri) who also felt like something was missing. Jenn said, "I feel like something else had to have happened. Like — was [Kody] already complaining to [Robyn], pre-marriage, about his relationship with like you, or Janelle, or Christine? And that was like -- and Robyn's like, 'Well, if this happens with us', like --." When she said that, Meri's face registered palpable shock and recognition. Jenn continued (speculating as though she were Robyn) "'Promise me you won't just'--" Meri interrupted. "Oh my gosh. Are you serious? I never --" In a quiet voice, Jenn said, "Maybe I'm overthinking?" In my opinion, Jenn was not overthinking, and for whatever reason, Meri needed to hear Jenn say that, to get another piece of whatever puzzle she's trying to assemble out of the ashes of her marriage to Kody. Here's a tidbit we know from either the early years of the show, or perhaps the book: Although Meri supposedly spotted Robyn first and encouraged Kody to pursue her, after Kody and Robyn started courting, Meri had enough trouble adjusting to it, that they went to therapy (at least Kody, Meri, and Robyn — I'm not sure about the other wives), even before Kody and Robyn married. Part of me wonders if Meri didn't object to the possibility of a marriage after all, and if Kody didn't bully her into therapy to make her change her mind, but that's just speculation. In the Version of the Show that Lives Only in My Head Here's what I think could have happened. 1. Meri had whatever trouble adjusting to the Kody/Robyn relationship, and they got some therapy to get past it. 2. Kody melted down the wedding ring Meri gave him, to prove (to himself? to Robyn? to Meri? to all the wives?) that Meri no longer had any claim on him. 3. Kody told Robyn what he did, and that he didn't even love Meri or didn't love Meri any more (and maybe he threw in bits about having never been in love with Christine, and how he and Janelle were more like guy friends), thinking it would prove to Robyn how true his love for her was. 4. Robyn (who was coming out of a failed marriage herself) was not as impressed by Kody's fickle heart as he thought she would be, so she said something like, "How can I marry you, when you fell out of love with/never loved [Meri, Christine, Janelle -- take your pick]? I don't want to be stuck in a loveless marriage. I just left one." 5. Kody swore up and down he would always love her, but if the impossible happened, and he didn't, he wouldn't keep stringing her along. Edited December 31, 2023 by General Days typo 10 12 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8252978
Popular Post Granny58 December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share December 31, 2023 This was a great episode. I don't have much to add to these already insightful comments. But my 2 cents. Meri is rockin' it! She is looking great and her personality is shining. GOOD FOR HER!!!! Next, I'm really glad to see that THEY see what WE see. Sure, maybe they didn't all along, but they see it all clearly now. The shock on Meri's face, though, when it dawned on her that Kody was already over her before her married Sobbyn....I'm sure that was hard but it was necessary. Finally, I think this show has been good for Christine. She has become the person she would have been if she had lived a normal life and not a sheltered plyg. She was raised to be a doormat and would have continued to be one had this show not come along and given her experiences, exposure and outsider opinions. She's certainly a lot snarkier than when we met her, but that's okay. Basically, she's now like everybody I know. I am REALLY thrilled for the OG3 and will definitely tune in for more if available. 33 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253133
Popular Post Granny58 December 31, 2023 Popular Post Share December 31, 2023 Ooops, I just remembered another thought. The business about Kody's sacred covenant with Robyn, that if he loses his love for her he'll leave her, won't keep her in a loveless marriage. That's NOT what I want from MY sacred covenant with my husband. I want him to stay through the loveless times as well as the love times because, as Janelle pointed out, there's that in every marriage. If commitment is only for the good times, well, you don't need commitment for that. 13 15 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253156
Popular Post Roslyn January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 On 12/30/2023 at 5:34 PM, ladyscorpio said: Christine's facial expressions watching Sobbyn fake crying were hilarious!! She was so funny, I was cracking up watching her making all those shocked faces when Sobbyn was pretending to have meltdown after meltdown. I love how Janelle and Christine are telling it like it is now in regards to Kody and Sobbyn. I've never blamed Meri for the catfishing thing, I totally understand why she started talking to someone, she was lonely, isolated and Kody spent all of his time with Sobbyn and abandoned everyone else. I'm so glad that she finally left him and is able to be happy and laugh again. The end of the show with Sobbyn, was so ridiculous with her grimacing her face, trying to act like she's going to hyperventilate saying "how do I turn this tablet off" over and over. That was so dramatic and over the top. She's a horrible actress. That was so weird!! I don't know who she thinks she's fooling. Kody is the only one dumb enough to fall for her lies and manipulations. I suspect that Robyn has panic attacks at the slightest inkling that she has to face "what she lost" or anything remotely uncomfortable or confrontational that isn't in her narrative of what she wants her "family" to look/act like. I wouldn't be surprised if her kids (plus Kody and production) walk on egg shells to not piss off Kody or send their very emotionally fragile mother into "the vapors". As someone who has battled panic attacks (and more) I do not take such things lightly. However I also know people who use their "fragility" as a weapon to control the behavior of others. 15 7 3 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253276
Popular Post ladyscorpio January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 2 hours ago, Roslyn said: I suspect that Robyn has panic attacks at the slightest inkling that she has to face "what she lost" or anything remotely uncomfortable or confrontational that isn't in her narrative of what she wants her "family" to look/act like. I wouldn't be surprised if her kids (plus Kody and production) walk on egg shells to not piss off Kody or send their very emotionally fragile mother into "the vapors". As someone who has battled panic attacks (and more) I do not take such things lightly. However I also know people who use their "fragility" as a weapon to control the behavior of others. I understand that panic attacks are 100% real and I do have compassion for people that suffer from them, i have before also, but the way Robyn is so hysterical and over the top, plus the no tears coming out of her eyes sobbing, is not genuine and she doesn't fool me at all. She says one thing, but her actions prove otherwise. 20 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253404
Popular Post General Days January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 I have a pretty nasty panic disorder. I know panic attacks are real. They're the bane of my existence, and my success in treating them has been mixed. I can go do the hardest thing (family illness in a hospital, which is my personal bugaboo) and get through it, and then have one smack me in the face in the grocery store I've been shopping in for 30 years. I do not see panic in Robyn. I understand panic attacks manifest in different people in different ways. Heck, they manifest in me in different ways, but that's not what I see there. I see a drama queen who is not a good actress, doing her best to summon tears. 14 4 1 10 2 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253409
Popular Post Absolom January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 My mother had panic attacks and I see nothing with Robyn that I ever saw with my mother. Robyn seems more put on or possibly histrionic. 17 8 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253414
Popular Post General Days January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 6 minutes ago, Absolom said: Robyn seems more put on or possibly histrionic. Yes! Histrionics. That's exactly how it feels to me. To be "fair," I'm sure she's upset. Whether or not they wear the garments, or follow every AUB rule to the letter, I do think Robyn more or less holds an AUB-flavored Mormon view of the world and the afterlife. To put it plainly, I think she fears Hell, because she gave her cookie to that Jessop boy with the big blue eyes (like Aurora's) before they were married. Kody was the priesthood holder who was willing to redeem her diesel-fuel smelling ass. So, Robyn wants Meri, Janelle, and Christine to hang on, so that she can be the favored wife for all eternity with Goldilocks, King of the Kidney Planet, and she can be his eternal queen. 7 23 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253424
goofygirl January 1 Share January 1 KING OF THE KIDNEY PLANET!!!! Hilarious! 6 1 7 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253430
General Days January 1 Share January 1 (edited) Wrong thread Edited January 1 by General Days wrong thread Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253432
Granny58 January 1 Share January 1 16 hours ago, General Days said: I have a pretty nasty panic disorder. I know panic attacks are real. They're the bane of my existence, and my success in treating them has been mixed. I can go do the hardest thing (family illness in a hospital, which is my personal bugaboo) and get through it, and then have one smack me in the face in the grocery store I've been shopping in for 30 years. I do not see panic in Robyn. I understand panic attacks manifest in different people in different ways. Heck, they manifest in me in different ways, but that's not what I see there. I see a drama queen who is not a good actress, doing her best to summon tears. I have had panic attacks too, life affecting due to them, and thankfully meds are working perfectly for me. I do NOT see panic in her either. I see manipulation. 6 15 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253724
Zero260 January 1 Share January 1 Imagine being Robyn and knowing that the entire viewing audience (except for Jeff) thinks you’re married to an idiot. 1 1 21 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253753
Popular Post mythoughtis January 1 Popular Post Share January 1 Robyn’s not having panic attacks. She’s not panicking or anxious about watching clips. She just doesn’t want to watch them and wants to reinforce her narrative that she’s being unfairly blamed for breaking apart the family 23 9 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253758
b2H January 1 Share January 1 17 hours ago, General Days said: I see a drama queen who is not a good actress, doing her best to summon tears. And failing miserably at the summoning. 4 4 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253773
Gramto6 January 1 Share January 1 1 minute ago, b2H said: And failing miserably at the summoning. Every single time!! 😂 7 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253775
Granny58 January 1 Share January 1 2 hours ago, Zero260 said: Imagine being Robyn and knowing that the entire viewing audience (except for Jeff) thinks you’re married to an idiot. Poor Jeff. LOL. 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253845
65mickey January 2 Share January 2 On 12/30/2023 at 10:55 AM, goofygirl said: My favorite Douchie quote was " I told them it's either MY way or you can just LEAVE and they left." I believe what he actually said was "You can fall in line or get the the hell out and they did." Nice guy a real gentleman. 11 2 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/142439-s18e21-talk-back-part-2-special-episode/#findComment-8253867
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