S13.E04: Hellevator

[jewel21]

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The women recover after a meltdown in Las Vegas, but Erika's elevator callout of Sutton leaves everyone floored; Dorit and Garcelle want Kyle to put her cards on the table about her marriage.

Airdate: 11/15/2023

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[ZettaK]

Erika thinks she was demure for years, and didn't call Sutton out for what she said about her, and her legal cases, but she finally found her voice with the help of God (!), and she is finally doing it? Where was that Erika, because we never saw her. If somebody was unhinged for years, it was her. She needs to stop mentioning God, and her newly found faith. 

Adding: Erika even threatened Sutton openly in a previous season when she dared to discuss a legal case.

Edited November 16, 2023 by ZettaK

[Emmeline]

If Sutton is unhinged or whatever, I would like to see these women support her for a change.  Garcelle, of course, is already doing that.

When Mo’s business was expanding all over the world and most of the daughters all started working at the agency, I thought Kyle might start feeling left out and detached.  As for Mo not giving her enough support after her problems with her sisters, I’m sure he’s felt with that many times over the years and he’s sick of it.

Just when you think Erika is changing, she pulls that crap with asking Sutton to apologize to the dancer.  If it wasn’t to her taste, it wasn’t, and she owes nothing to Erika or the dancers.

[Stats Queen]

3 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Erika thinks she was demure for years, and didn't call Sutton out for what she said about her, and her legal cases, but she finally found her voice with the help of God (!), and she is finally doing it? She needs to stop mentioning God, and her newly found faith. 

Is God was speaking to Erika it would be to tell her to stopping trying to get those earrings back. 

[Caseysgirl]

Who did Sutton piss off in Production because, man, she is looking like a total asshole this season?  I’ve never totally “ gotten” her & thought she was totally awkward, phony and would not choose to hang out with her, but in previous years I think there was sort of a push to make her seem quirky & fun.  She is not!  

[ZettaK]

18 minutes ago, Emmeline said:

If Sutton is unhinged or whatever, I would like to see these women support her for a change.  Garcelle, of course, is already doing that.

When Mo’s business was expanding all over the world and most of the daughters all started working at the agency, I thought Kyle might start feeling left out and detached.  As for Mo not giving her enough support after her problems with her sisters, I’m sure he’s felt with that many times over the years and he’s sick of it.

Just when you think Erika is changing, she pulls that crap with asking Sutton to apologize to the dancer.  If it wasn’t to her taste, it wasn’t, and she owes nothing to Erika or the dancers.

Mauricio was probably finally tired of dealing (and busy with business) with Kyle's sisters who are notoriously difficult. Kim is also an addict. But he was very supportive for 30 years. As for Kyle, she feels left out because all the daughters but one who is still a teenager work for Mauricio, they are all very busy, traveling, etc., and she doesn't drink anymore, so she doesn't go to social/business events with them. I'm sure Mauricio wants his business to grow in order for his daughters, and future families to continue having the same lifestyle, and be financially secure. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by ZettaK

[WaltersHair]

Erika is trying to be relatable by saying she's afraid to look at her bills. This from a woman who spends 10,000 a month on a rent house. If she found God, she lost him somewhere between the S&M shop and the 405.

Sober Kyle is insufferable, which is a shame.

Sutton's house husband is giving me flashbacks to the first year of RHOA when Dwight was trying very hard to be a housewife.

[eXiled]

Anyone notice how embarrassed Sutton's white dog looked during her kitchen scene with Kyle? When Sutton did her Erika impersonation, the dog looked at its owner, than at the camera, and than off-camera, before slinking off to hide its head in shame.

[Pi237]

Sutton was drunkity drunk when Kyle got to her house. Looks like that booze in the purse rumor might be true. Kyle's "are you ok?" Was very telling.

I can't stand when people grab me when talking to me or interrupting me. Dorit would've gotten slapped in that limo.

[janiema]

I like Sutton’s pets.

[Pi237]

Luca on the gondola was hilarious.  They should hire him to pop out and start singing whenever Dorit won't shut up.

[janiema]

Erika is trash.

Kyle is an idiot.

[bosawks]

I think  Kyle is one of the pilliest pills that ever pilled but if she doesn’t want to drink she doesn’t have to drink nor does she owe anyone a reason.

[ZettaK]

17 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

Sutton was drunkity drunk when Kyle got to her house. Looks like that booze in the purse rumor might be true. Kyle's "are you ok?" Was very telling.

There is a reason this was mentioned. Sutton appeared to be drunk a few times already this season. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by ZettaK

[janiema]

Time to recast. Drop Kyle, Erika and Dorit. Keep Garcelle ( the greatest of all time) Sutton and possibly Crystal. 

[Pi237]

Kyle's turned into Teddi.

[JAYJAY1979]

There is not one redeeming quality about Ericka.  Why is she allowed back season after season?  She offers nothing interesting.

Kyle is a professional victim.

Dorit's one nice trait are when she's with the kids... so Bravo.. film her more at home to give dimension to her.

Sutton is a control freak.. and I get why she's a control freak.  Being married to someone all that decisions left her in a very fragile place after the divorce... but she's become just as bad as her ex-husband in terms of the controlling tendencies.

Can we have one episode where the women aren't interacting with one another please?  A cleanser of sorts from this manufactured drama.

[Straycat80]

Probably unpopular opinion but : I hate when people criticize other people for making the decision to not drink alcohol anymore.

[Pi237]

Kyle's different and kind of sour this season, but it's not because of her sobriety. She's not rubbing it in their faces or acting holier than thou about it at all.  I think the real issue is they want to talk about her marriage-as those not at all subtle game questions kept pointing a big red arrow at.  But Kyle won't give specifics so they're nitpicking where they can -the not drinking, the exercising, weight loss... Seriously, that dinner scene with the questions was Ridiculous!

'What if your husband cheated just once...?' Everyone turns to look at Kyle lmao 

Then her call to Mauricio-have we ever seen them call without using Facetime? She didn't have his face on her phone, but he could see her 'you look great' so weird.

[sistermagpie]

11 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

Probably unpopular opinion but : I hate when people criticize other people for making the decision to not drink alcohol anymore.

Not at all!

The thing with Erika I was surprised Sutton didn't say, was Erika didn't just embarrass Sutton, she insulted the dancer. "Hey, she says your show is shit so I'm telling her to apologize!" is hardly a nice thing to say to your friend. 

[Straycat80]

Oh shut up Erika, God doesn’t talk to you. She should not have made Sutton apologize to the dancer. Sutton was entitled to her opinion even though she was a buzzkill.

And I don’t believe Erika is as poor as she claims, she still has a glam squad, personal trainer and an endless supply of rubber outfits. 

 

[TattleTeeny]

Man, if it wasn’t after 10, I’d run out right now for vodka and pink grapefruit juice. It looked so good.

Also, Dorit looked cute “undone” in the van with a ponytail and glasses.

Edited November 16, 2023 by TattleTeeny

[Keywestclubkid]

Name em,NAME, em 

[Straycat80]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Name em,NAME, em 

Well, Kyle named ‘em. Lol! Forgot about the ‘ugly leather pants’ remark. 

[Pondlass1]

It’s difficult for me to listen to Erica whinge and whine about not being obscenely rich anymore.  She needs to work a lot harder on finding that elusive empathy.    Maybe visit her husband’s cheated clients once in a while, see how they’re doing… stuff like that. 

Sutton is odd and unfortunately an easy target for the other HWs.  Drinking is not going to help.

This hairstyle they’re all affecting this season, pulled back, parted in the middle with two thin dangling strands waving about their faces. Not attractive. 

 

 

[Surrealist]

53 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

Probably unpopular opinion but : I hate when people criticize other people for making the decision to not drink alcohol anymore.

I didn't understand this either. 

I've never been big into drinking. I've encountered my fair share of people who have been critical of it. Kyle's a recovering alcoholic. Obviously it's a genetic thing with her, so why are people bothered she's trying to live sober?

That said she's as insufferable as my dad was when he quit smoking (cold turkey) years ago and he acted weird around smokers. 

[Emmeline]

10 hours ago, Stats Queen said:

Is God was speaking to Erika it would be to tell her to stopping trying to get those earrings back. 

I read that her attorneys booked 363 hours of billing for the earrings alone.  If they made $500 per hour that’s $171,599.  I’ve read her attorneys charge more than $500.  She still has more going on with the earrings as well as other court cases coming up.  Of course an attorney in Florida is paying her legal fees for some mysterious reason.  

Edited November 16, 2023 by Emmeline

[hottesthw]

Garcelle does realize that Oliver got “backlash” for kissing Raquel because HIS WIFE made it public that they were still married and sleeping together (which he did not deny at the time). She realizes that the cameras in front of them actually film them right? 

[Cosmocrush]

2 hours ago, Caseysgirl said:

Who did Sutton piss off in Production because, man, she is looking like a total asshole this season?  I’ve never totally “ gotten” her & thought she was totally awkward, phony and would not choose to hang out with her, but in previous years I think there was sort of a push to make her seem quirky & fun.  She is not!  

I've always thought Sutton was a psycho who thinks she's better than everyone else (which makes her an entertaining RH).  If she pissed off production I'm guessing it had something to do with that. 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Cosmocrush
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[Cosmocrush]

I'm watching Erika rewrite history, trying to tell Crystal that her marriage devolved over time.  Puh leeze.  She was fine with it right up to the point the money she was spending like water from her criminal husband's crimes stopped flowing.  

Hey Erika, it's not hard to stop the anxiety over money when you make what Bravo is paying you; just stop spending more than you're making.  You're in your 50s, the sugar daddies are with the 30 year olds.  Stop shopping, get rid of the glam squad and do something for someone else.  

[BusyOctober]

When Erika said she wouldn’t go back to her past life, or her lifestyle or whatever, and she vehemently said “No. No, no, no.” I think I heard God snort-laugh at her ridiculous bald-faced lie.  My guess is He yelled at the tv “Keep My name out your fuckin’ mouth!” when she claimed God gave her permission to be her cunty self to Sutton.

Sutton was definitely day drinking drunk when Kyle showed up.  She is a bit of a Southern gothic character out of a Tennessee Williams play.  I don’t think being on this show is good for anyone’s mental health or those with a fragile sense of themselves.  Sutton needs to walk away, get some counseling that isn’t televised, and enjoy her insane alimony, her horse, her kids, her store, her real friends, her charities and socialite activities.  

Dorit needs to STFU.  Just be quiet and listen for once when you are in a conversation.  

It’s strange that the Vegas trip was to celebrate Crystal’s bday, but she hardly had screen time.  Nice cake(s) though!

 

 

[JenE4]

I was only half paying attention so forgive me if I’m off base, but, man, everyone seemed really depressed. They’re all  “not acting like themselves” while accusing others of “not acting like themselves.” I wonder if now that Rinna is gone as the “villain” there’s suddenly no one left to take the heat of the role of general shit-stirrer. Now that there’s some “quiet,” they’re all just looking around at each other like, Do I know you? Are we friends? Have we ever been friends? I mean, I guess Vegas can be a lot. Let’s see whether they lighten up a bit once they settle back in at home, as the initial follow-up conversations were not good.

Edited November 16, 2023 by JenE4

[princelina]

3 hours ago, Emmeline said:

If Sutton is unhinged or whatever, I would like to see these women support her for a change.  Garcelle, of course, is already doing that.

Is she though?  She went to lunch with Erika, mentioned Sutton twice before Erika bit, and then THd to us that maybe she'd better "stop fighting Sutton's battles" 😏

3 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

Erika is trying to be relatable by saying she's afraid to look at her bills. This from a woman who spends 10,000 a month on a rent house. If she found God, she lost him somewhere between the S&M shop and the 405.

Haha no kidding!  I was wondering how nervous one gets when the bill for one's "assistant" comes due 😂

[Surrealist]

1 hour ago, BusyOctober said:

Sutton was definitely day drinking drunk when Kyle showed up.  She is a bit of a Southern gothic character out of a Tennessee Williams play.  I don’t think being on this show is good for anyone’s mental health or those with a fragile sense of themselves.  Sutton needs to walk away, get some counseling that isn’t televised, and enjoy her insane alimony, her horse, her kids, her store, her real friends, her charities and socialite activities.  

I like Sutton, but have to agree with you here. 

[leslieo54]

2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Man, if it wasn’t after 10, I’d run out right now for vodka and pink grapefruit juice. It looked so good.

Also, Dorit looked cute “undone” in the van with a ponytail and glasses.

That was legitimately the best Dorit has ever looked in my eyes - well done, her 

[Surrealist]

I was put off by Garcelle in this ep when she was talking to Erika about Sutton. 

Not because Garcelle isn't allowed to find Sutton annoying. Friends getting on one another's nerves is normal. 

My issue is that Garcelle knows that Erika and Sutton don't get along well. 

The last thing she should be doing is talking to Erika about Sutton behind Sutton's back. Garcelle knows what's up with Erika, so why give the ammunition like that? 

I didn't have an issue with what Garcelle said in her TH. She's not wrong. I just didn't think she should be discussing Sutton with Erika. I wouldn't been happy to know a friend was talking about me to someone I don't like (and who doesn't like me either).

Edited November 16, 2023 by Surrealist

[dancingdreamer]

Kyle, nobody  misses you doing the splits, nobody.

I go to some functions  with hubby, and I don't  drink  and still have lots of fun. She seems to be overdoing  everything,  it's hard to explain.  But she didn't  have Sutton's back  and never will.

I think Sutton had been drinking,  she was obviously  nervous  about seeing  Kyle.Can we see just how many times Kyle has acted like an @sshole please.

Erika  hasn't  changed,  she's just playing  a different  part. I can't  stand Mikey, Sutton had no need to apologize  to him. I would have walked away.

I love Garcelle,  I don't  see her getting  that cozy with Erika, a cuppa tea is enough.

[Cosmocrush]

I thought Kyle was spot on when she told Sutton that she flips out over completely ridiculous things.  And yes Sutton was drunkity day drunk during that conversation.

 

[ChattyCathyLA]

6 hours ago, janiema said:

Time to recast. Drop Kyle, Erika and Dorit. Keep Garcelle ( the greatest of all time) Sutton and possibly Crystal. 

Oh noooo!  Sutton has GOT TO GO!  She is the most grandiose elitist snob since Lisa Vanderpump, who was insufferable with her haughtiness!  I’m waiting for Sutton to take to her bed with “the vapors” … like a character out of Gone with the Wind or some other such nonsense!   And her clothes?  WTF was she wearing to Magic Mike?  White pants that cut her in half and could be seen through her hideous see-through top?  Add a blazer and it’s a “75 year old ladies who lunch” outfit.  And … she’s SUPPOSED to be the couture clothes horse of this group?  I’ve never seen her look good.  She doesn’t know how to dress her body.  That awful bulky high necked sweater with the raised multicolor dots all over it?  Is she trying to make her waist and upper half look even thicker?  I may stop watching entirely just because of her!  What is she doing in BH anyway? Wouldn’t  she be better off somewhere in the South?  Like Atlanta?  She’d last all of a minute with those girls!  They wouldn’t put up with her crap!  Put her with an all or mostly black cast!  Now THAT would be a hoot … let her pontificate about being on the board of the ballet to THEM! 🤣🤣🤣
 

IMO, Kyle and Sutton are the ones who need to go.  Kyle’s story is all played out and it’s enough already!  Keep Erika for comic relief - plus her outfits are so outlandish that they’re fun!    I think both she and Kyle are injecting the big “O”. They both look great.  Seems like half of Hollywood is on it.  People who have been  been chunky their entire lives are suddenly svelte and have “discovered” exercise?  What a crock!

Edited November 16, 2023 by ChattyCathyLA

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, hottesthw said:

Garcelle does realize that Oliver got “backlash” for kissing Raquel because HIS WIFE made it public that they were still married and sleeping together (which he did not deny at the time). She realizes that the cameras in front of them actually film them right? 

Yes, the story was filmed for Vanderpump Rules, another Bravo show, and aired during several episodes in spring.

Edited November 16, 2023 by ZettaK

[Chatty Cake]

On one hand, I get why the ladies are irritated with Sutton. She chose not to have fun at Magic Mike. That said she didn’t boo the guys and yell “ you suck!”  The dancers wouldn’t have known she was upset. Only the ladies that followed her and spread the news did. 
She was irritating again with Kyle but she was spot on that Kyle is not her friend. Kyle will always take Erika’s side and pick apart Sutton because she’s an easy target. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

7 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

This hairstyle they’re all affecting this season, pulled back, parted in the middle with two thin dangling strands waving about their faces. Not attractive. 

It’s a really stupid look. They have been sporting it for at least two or three seasons. I hate it so much. 

But I don’t know which is worse, this or Dorit’s confessional look, hair piled high with complicated, aggressive, gravity-defying, towering curls. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Has Dorit retired “Carcass OUT”?

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika is a good Catholic.

[hoodooznoodooz]

I liked Dorit’s ivory unraveling knit dress. I couldn’t see any logos or branding. Which is GOOD. I also liked her casual black top with the 5, from a couple episodes ago or last week.
 

[eXiled]

9 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

There is not one redeeming quality about Ericka.  Why is she allowed back season after season?  She offers nothing interesting.

This is exactly the way I feel about Crystal. Sometimes I have trouble remembering she's there, and when I do remember, it's usually because she's policing the others in a very millennial manner. It's telling that, despite the festivities being about her birthday, even the production/editing forgot all about her.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Kyle always behaves as if she is still twelve years old. She also cannot control her temper. 
 

 

[65mickey]

46 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

On one hand, I get why the ladies are irritated with Sutton. She chose not to have fun at Magic Mike. That said she didn’t boo the guys and yell “ you suck!”  The dancers wouldn’t have known she was upset. Only the ladies that followed her and spread the news did. 
She was irritating again with Kyle but she was spot on that Kyle is not her friend. Kyle will always take Erika’s side and pick apart Sutton because she’s an easy target. 

YES! You hit the nail on the head. Kyle is no dummy. She finds the weakest link each season and picks and picks until she succeeds in driving her "victim" away with the help of her partners in crime. She started this with LVP who was grieving the loss of her brother at the time. She followed it up with Denise. And she managed to take part in driving her own sister away last season. I think she sees Sutton as the one that needs to go so that there will be a spot on her team for Teddi to slither in next season.  

[hoodooznoodooz]

Dorit ordered distilled water at the restaurant. I googled, “Can I order distilled water at a bar?” Google gave me many links to CPAP use.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika hates Sutton because Sutton triumphed in her divorce, and Erika publicly and egregiously failed. Erika planned to end up with an enormous inheritance or $300,000/month in spousal support.