S02.E06: Bomb Cyclone

[Hana Chan]

46 minutes ago, T Summer said:

seeing that condom wrapper and realizing he was having sex with other women brought her crashing down to earth.

But why should she have any reason to expect or even hope that Steve was not sleeping with other people? Carrie might be right that he still loved her and was still wearing his ring, but Miranda didn't just abandon her husband. Before she ran off to chase Che to LA, she told Steve that she never really loved him, that their relationship was never what Steve thought it had been and that she was miserable with him. She didn't just leave him - she destroyed him in the process. She made him feel worthless and undeserving of her concern. Her behavior wasn't just selfish. It was cruel.

So if Steve had a few one night stands to try to salvage his self-esteem and prove that he was desirable to women, that was part of his healing process. At this point, he doesn't owe Miranda that kind of consideration, because she certainly didn't show it to him. She has never expressed any kind of regret for hurting him, so if Steve is replacing her in their bed, she has no one to blame but herself.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Hana Chan

[chitowngirl]

8 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Finally, an episode where I didn't hate Che & Miranda together! Although I can't get a handle on the weather and time of year for this season. It's Christmas, it's summer, it's a snow cyclone....oy!

Last episode it was Halloween/Fall and now it’s winter, so only a few weeks/months time jump, depending on when the storm hit. The only summer reference I remember was when Seema and Carrie were lining up their summer Hampton rental, which you need to do months in advance.

[Spartan Girl]

28 minutes ago, Hana Chan said:

So if Steve had a few one night stands to try to salvage his self-esteem and prove that he was desirable to women, that was part of his healing process. At this point, he doesn't owe Miranda that kind of consideration, because she certainly didn't show it to him. She has never expressed any kind of regret for hurting him, so if Steve is replacing her in their bed, she has no one to blame but herself.

And she has no one to blame but herself for not being able to stay friends with him. In fact, I’m pretty sure she doesn’t really want to be friends, she just wants to feel better about herself.

[Lola82]

No, no way am I buying LTW walking through a “bomb cyclone” in heels. And Carrie’s duvet coat is bonkers and would just slow her down in the snow.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, Lola82 said:

No, no way am I buying LTW walking through a “bomb cyclone” in heels. And Carrie’s duvet coat is bonkers and would just slow her down in the snow.

It really was too much. 

[chitowngirl]

8 minutes ago, Lola82 said:

No, no way am I buying LTW walking through a “bomb cyclone” in heels. And Carrie’s duvet coat is bonkers and would just slow her down in the snow.

 

5 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

It really was too much. 

Of course it was! But, it looked so cozy warm!! SJP must have been sweltering filming that because we know they weren’t filming in real cold/bomb cyclone weather.

[amarante]

I truly don't understand the enmeshed relationships these teenagers have with their parents.

I don't have a problem with Charlotte not freaking out because her daughter is having sex - seems to be a high school junior. I just don't find it believable that the daughter would announce plans to be deflowered at breakfast nor do I think a kid would call their mother for condoms.

Also if Charlotte knew her daughter was planning on being sexually active, I am 100% certain she would have taken her to the doctor for the pill because condoms are only effective when used properly and I wouldn't trust kids to be 100% careful in the moment.

But I also found the idea of Brady calling his mother for emotional support because he broke up with his girlfriend in Europe to be ludicrous. 

[Lebanna]

Totally agree on the pill thing. I think, if family were that open about that stuff, that would have been arranged a couple months in advance, so she could be sure it was fully effective.

Also agree that Che and Carrie’s friendship vibes were so much better than Che and Miranda, it was just weird. Why is Che likable with seemingly anyone else? Is this a behind the scenes issue?

Anyway, really liked WidowCon as well, find Rock as a model annoying, didn’t have a problem with Charlotte’s parenting at all. Better what she’s doing than teen pregnancy angst.

And the Steve thing was relatively well acted but seemed like a tick box exercise to get Miranda to the next step, which is obvious after the whole ‘cute pajamas’ line.

Poor Aiden. That character doesn’t deserve this again.

And the season is going to end with Seema’s Hampton’ plan, right? We are going to see that house.

 

Edited July 20, 2023 by Lebanna

[Lebanna]

11 minutes ago, Lebanna said:

 

 

Meh. Double post. Delete, please.

Edited July 20, 2023 by Lebanna
Please delete

[DoubleUTeeEff]

1 hour ago, amarante said:

Also if Charlotte knew her daughter was planning on being sexually active, I am 100% certain she would have taken her to the doctor for the pill because condoms are only effective when used properly and I wouldn't trust kids to be 100% careful in the moment.

Right?! I was thinking the whole time that condoms weren't enough. I don't have any issue with Charlotte and Lily talking openly about sex, in fact, that's probably how it should be. HOWEVER, never in a million years should Charlotte have gone out and bought condoms for them. She should have said, 1) If you are not responsible enough to get yourself condoms then you are not responsible enough to have sex and 2) If you have a problem with one pharmacy, WALK YOUR TEENAGE ASSES to another location. Do not make your middle aged mother go out in a snowstorm and get them for you! They don't live in a podunk town where there is only one place to buy them! It's friggin NYC!

So the Miranda/Steve fight was basically both of them going for the jugular. Miranda with her comment about how she paid for the house and Steve with his comment about Brady. It might have been a good scene if it were better written and/or acted. As it was, I found myself laughing at Steve's yelling and Miranda's fake crying.

Lisa's story was dumb. You're not going to hitch a ride with your husband in a snow storm because you want to "do it all yourself?" I mean, that is so over the top. Plus they already went over that ground when she was making the point that she could secure her own financing. We got it, she's a strong independent woman. Walking around alone in disastrous weather conditions to prove a point does not make you awesome, it makes you an idiot.

There is no reason for Aiden to keep coming back to Carrie over and over unless he's some kind of masochist. Frankly though, I want to see John Corbett on the show so I don't even mind. Plus it will add a little spice to Carrie's story. So far I've been fairly bored by most of her scenes this season.

Miranda and Che Che's relationship started with a bang and ended with a whimper. I have a feeling it's not over for them but at this point the whole debacle has made me hate Che. They were totally innocuous in their scenes with Carrie but I still couldn't wait to get away from them. It's the whole "Bitch be eating crackers" phenomenon for me.

[violet and green]

8 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I don't think she is as invested in AJLT as she was SATC. Cynthia Nixon OTOH is way too invested.

And yet they are both listed as executive producers. As is Kristin Davis.

[EllenB]

8 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

She was always having 2nd thoughts about the abortion, though, or she wouldn't have asked Carrie about how long it took for her to stop regretting hers. That "I'll let you know when it happens"  sealed the deal for Brady's birth.

This better be the end of Che and Miranda for good. The writers never showed any signs that Che wanted anything other than "friends with benefits" with Miranda, so letting Miranda move in with her in California never made sense. A restraining order, though.... that would have made sense.

 

Che and Miranda make me think of this incident in the life of Virginia Woolf.

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Emmybean said:

Poor Steve. I suspect he’ll be made into a villain over the division of the marital estate.

Oh, MPK will try. But I still root for him. Miranda did him DIRTY.

[TakomaSnark]

4 hours ago, Yogisbooboo64 said:

After his Matthew Rhys shtick last week, he should have gone ballistic

It's obvious the writers have no idea about nor any interest in narrative consistency - be it from SATC to AJLT... or from mere episode to episode of AJLT... 'What do we need this week? We need Charlotte to run around in a snowstorm frantially buying condoms for her daughter's first sexual encounter. Helicopter daddy Harry from last week, worried about pervs taking pictures of his younger child? Oh, he's all good with this now.'

[Penman61]

4 hours ago, Yogisbooboo64 said:

 And so what if he fucks his way through Whole Foods, Costco, hell, Ralph’s Market…..does she expect the man to wither away, doddering with his hearing aids? 

My theory is that Steve break-up-fucks like nobody's business, and the high-decibel screams from his chain of satisfied partners is why he's experiencing hearing loss...

[partofme]

I’ve never posted in this thread before but it seems clear to me that the writers/wardrobe people have never lived in nyc or any other place that has snow.   How were these women not soaking wet dressed the way they were?
 

Also on the original show I thought I related most to Charlotte, but now she’s just a shallow airhead and I can’t stand any of her storylines.  

[Surrealist]

13 hours ago, Spartan Girl said:

I don’t want Carrie anywhere near Aidan either. It’s not gonna end well.

I didn't care for Aidan. Still don't. I'd rather this relationship not start up again just because Big is dead.

(FWIW, I was never a Big fan either.)

Edited July 21, 2023 by Surrealist

[Surrealist]

7 hours ago, Hanahope said:

was the right decision at that time?  Does this mean that Carrie "regretted" her abortion?  Or does this just mean that Carrie sometimes thinks 'what if' she decided to go through with the pregnancy and have the baby, and because she does, she can't ever go "back to normal", i.e. what she was like beforehand? 

It's been a while since I've watched that episode, but I could have sworn that Carrie addresses this because the father was a server (or bartender?) at TGIFriday's. 

I might have the restaurant name wrong, but she was saying that her choice was for the best.

[T Summer]

 I DO NOT think Miranda has the right to expect Steve to remain faithful to her when she left him to follow some comic like a lovesick groupie. These hack writers decided to totally remake Miranda's character into someone  incredibly selfish and destructive with no regard for her life partner.

 Miranda  would have had a mature conversation with Steve and initiated a separation or divorce if she really felt she was in love with someone else.  If she felt counseling had no hope of working because her heart or her interests lay elsewhere, the Miranda I know from SATC would have wanted to get on with her life without subjecting Steve to it and she would have wanted Steve to move on and be happy too. She just wasn't this shitty person before. 

4 hours ago, Hana Chan said:

Miranda didn't just abandon her husband. Before she ran off to chase Che to LA, she told Steve that she never really loved him, that their relationship was never what Steve thought it had been and that she was miserable with him. She didn't just leave him - she destroyed him in the process. She made him feel worthless and undeserving of her concern. Her behavior wasn't just selfish. It was cruel.

I'm going to have to go rewatch  s1 e5.

I just remember Miranda saying she  wasn't happy and hadn't been for some time and something about there being more to life than just sitting on the couch watching TV together eating ice cream.

 

That being said after the  wedding ring convo with Carrie I can understand that   being confronted with the reality that Steve has been sleeping with other women in their bed would make Miranda feel some type of way. It doesn't mean she's justified or has any right to expect him to be hanging around waiting for her. She has recently been expressing guilt and manifesting a kind of inertia as far as getting on with her life and the inevitable split  because she says she blew up everyone's lives. Now back in NYC she's  running over to make breakfast  for Brady every morning and doing household duties like she's doing some sort of penance.

I also think Steve sleeping with other women   at home makes now two parents manifesting not so great  behavior for the 17 year old in residence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Surrealist]

4 hours ago, amarante said:

Also if Charlotte knew her daughter was planning on being sexually active, I am 100% certain she would have taken her to the doctor for the pill because condoms are only effective when used properly and I wouldn't trust kids to be 100% careful in the moment.

Agreed, but the Pill doesn't prevent STIs, so I'm kind of glad condoms were part of the discussion. 

[slowpoked]

I think this might be my favorite episode of this series, but that's not really saying much. Michael King ruined Miranda's character forever, but it was nice to see that fire was still in there, when she finally stopped walking on eggshells with Che and finally told them off. That was a long time coming, but for Miranda fans, probably a little bit cathartic too. That was the Miranda we've all come to know and love - the one who walked off when her date wanted to watch porn while having sex with her, the one who told Steve "great sex, amazing" in a sarcastic tone after their first encounter, the one who automatically said "no" when Carrie was considering a final romantic encounter with Big before he moved to Napa, and told to her face that she should have ended up with Aidan instead. Miranda never bent over for anyone the way she bent over for Che. It was just so uncharacteristic. And Che never showed anything that they deserve that kind of devotion, from anyone, anyway.

I'm also glad Steve told her off. That was also a long time coming. Steve is tired of being the nice guy and rightly so.

I may be one of the very few, but with 1.5 seasons in, I realize I do miss Carrie's narration. There was just something in her narration that always tied everything together in an episode. 

I hope this is the end of Che and we don't see them again.

Edited July 21, 2023 by slowpoked

[Asp Burger]

It's possible the episode just caught me in an "easy" mood, or maybe after a season and a half it has worn down my expectations, but I think this was my favorite episode of either season. Even Che had a good week. The spontaneous gag about the vibrator not having a lifetime warranty, while not thigh-slapping hilarious, was better than anything from last season's "comedy concert." Che and Carrie have good friendship chemistry (as do Carrie and Seema). 

Cynthia Nixon is a good director. All of her episodes behind the camera have been above average, and this one had some gorgeous images. 

The Miranda/Steve argument (the downstairs part, I mean) was very moving to me. I felt that the writing, directing, and both actors caught how people who have loved each other for a long time, and still do, feel and act when they fight and it gets ugly. 

LTW and husband still seem very "back-door pilot," though. I have nothing against that family; I just get less of the point of them than with any of the other AJLT characters. It's as if we briefly join some other show in progress. 

[ruby24]

Another thing that was interesting to me here was also how much better the acting chemistry was between Miranda and Steve than Miranda and Che. Seriously, even when it's this super intense fight, it was well acted and believable from the both of them, which has not been the case in ANY scene that Miranda and Che have ever shared.

I'm sorry, Cynthia Nixon! You may be a lesbian now, but your character still matches better onscreen with David Eigenberg, like she always has.

[Rebecca berkowit]

13 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

She was always having 2nd thoughts about the abortion, though, or she wouldn't have asked Carrie about how long it took for her to stop regretting hers. That "I'll let you know when it happens"  sealed the deal for Brady's birth.

This better be the end of Che and Miranda for good. The writers never showed any signs that Che wanted anything other than "friends with benefits" with Miranda, so letting Miranda move in with her in California never made sense. A restraining order, though.... that would have made sense.

 

Carrie never stopped regretting her abortion?  I didn’t remember her saying that. As I recall, her description of the circumstances that led to her pregnancy, and the guy, were less than ideal, and she said she absolutely knew she couldn’t have a baby right then.  So, what is the regret she still lives with, exactly? The whole Brady plot always grated with me.   Miranda wasn’t seriously involved with Steve, didn’t even like him.  They didn’t have to make her get pregnant.   She’s a tv character.  What happens to her is because the writers choose for it to happen.  It’s not an “accident.”   It always seemed like the writers just thought it would be an interesting plot, because pregnancy is always fun to write.  Or, they were too chicken to show someone going through with an abortion. At that time (even now), people didn’t do that on Tv.  But, regardless of politics, or what will play for a midwestern audience, let’s face facts.  An abortion is what 99% of liberal, single, workaholic professional, New York women like Miranda, who only got pregnant because the birth control failed, with a guy they didn’t like and didn’t see a future with, would have done.   Miranda’s character started to go downhill then for me, right there on the couch where she was like “oh, I couldn’t go through with it.”  The Miranda we knew definitely could’ve gone through with it, and it would’ve been brave for the show to have her do that.   And then, asking your random housekeeper to take care of this baby for you,  like it’s a new pet?  Rather than move in with the actual father of the child who loves you and the child?    Please.  Brady turned out ok, though.  Probably because of Steve.

[Rebecca berkowit]

2 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Agreed, but the Pill doesn't prevent STIs, so I'm kind of glad condoms were part of the discussion. 

Condoms work pretty well if you remember to put them on before any intercourse starts, and take it out right after ejaculation, before it goes soft and can slip off.  Forgetting this accounts for much of the (relatively low) failure rate.  If you use them correctly, they’re as effective as the pill, and they protect against STDs, and you don’t have to take a pill every day of the month, you can just use it when you are going to have sex and then go about your life.  I was a teen when AIDS was a big new scary thing, and so everyone used condoms all the time.  It was a given.  

[txhorns79]

1 hour ago, Asp Burger said:

The Miranda/Steve argument (the downstairs part, I mean) was very moving to me. I felt that the writing, directing, and both actors caught how people who have loved each other for a long time, and still do, feel and act when they fight and it gets ugly. 

I thought was a great moment.  The comment about not wanting Brady, and Miranda almost instantly becoming a crying mess because of the power of that comment was some very good acting. 

I do admire LTW's dedication to fashion.  Even walking in a snowstorm, she looked incredible. 

[Lethallyfab]

Speaking of condoms, the sexually active Carrie apparently doesn’t use them?  She acted as if it would be totally gauche to use them and was mortally offended that Charlotte brought up the possibility of STIs.
 

Again, Carrie Bradshaw, the sex columnist turned sex podcaster somehow believes she is “above” using condoms.  You can still get herpes at 50, Carrie.

[JeanJean]

3 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

 

The Miranda/Steve argument (the downstairs part, I mean) was very moving to me. I felt that the writing, directing, and both actors caught how people who have loved each other for a long time, and still do, feel and act when they fight and it gets ugly. 

 

I was touched by it, too, until Miranda turned back into a bitch. Her behavior in that scene reminded me of this exchange from "Mom" (paraphrased a little): 

Bonnie: You'll see. When I get back (from an AA meeting), I'll be a different person.

Adam: You've been three different people in the past hour!

 

I was just starting to like Miranda again when she was - finally! - contrite.

Can we keep Che and lose Miranda? I really liked Che last episode and this one. I find Sara tremendously likeable as an actor, anyway, maybe it's a holdover from their Grey days.

I wish the writers could comprehend that it's not Miranda's new sexuality that's a problem; it's her new personality.

I agree that this is the best episode of the season so far.

Edited July 21, 2023 by JeanJean

[WendyCR72]

So, I saw a clip [as Twitter was celebrating, and someone clipped the segment!] of Steve reading Miranda for filth. OMG! I ♥ IT!

Steve told NO LIES. This was what I wanted, and David Eigenberg/Steve DELIVERED.

The only thing I didn't like was Steve once again being the bigger person and apologizing. He had nothing to apologize FOR.

Steve even seemed kinda hot as he was unloading, IMO! Me likey. ♥

[T Summer]

I didn't care for Steve saying  Miranda never wanted Brady. That seems out of character for him. Just because Brady wasn't planned and Miranda considered abortion doesn't mean she didn't want a child once she really considered her options, the timing and  how she'd make it work etc.

As I recall she was 37 and had recently been to the Gynecologist and had been told she had an anomaly like a tipped uterus or something and she said  it was against all the odds her getting pregnant with that, and Steve having one testicle and all. Once she realized there may not be a later date to have a baby she decided she did want one,  and  that it may be now or never.

Also in  shitty  movie #2 at the end she shows up in time for little Brady's school play or whatever and tells Steve she took a job at a smaller  law firm where she'd have more flexibility and be able to make Brady's  activities from now on because it was important to her.

 

Another thing I read a few times was that Miranda engaged in a threesome. I thought she left Che and Lyle and went to the broken couch saying it just wasn't her?

[Alice Mudgarden]

6 hours ago, Surrealist said:

I didn't care for Aidan. Still don't. I'd rather this relationship not start up again just because Big is dead.

(FWIW, I was never a Big fan either.)

I loved Aidan and still do, and I'd also rather this relationship not start up again just because Big is dead.

6 hours ago, Surrealist said:

It's been a while since I've watched that episode, but I could have sworn that Carrie addresses this because the father was a server (or bartender?) at TGIFriday's. 

"TGIFriday's? Please, can we not make this worse than it was? He was a waiter at The Saloon, ok? And let me remind you, in 1988, The Saloon was very happening."

I love how perfectly the quote works as a response.

18 minutes ago, T Summer said:

As I recall she was 37 and had recently been to the Gynecologist and had been told she had an anomaly like a tipped uterus or something

It was a lazy ovary. This is a factoid I have, for some reason, committed to memory.

[T Summer]

8 minutes ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

It was a lazy ovary. This is a factoid I have, for some reason, committed to memory.

I stand corrected. 😊

 

[libgirl2]

3 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

It was a lazy ovary. This is a factoid I have, for some reason, committed to memory.

Lazy ovary and one testicle and still she got pregnant! 

[Surrealist]

7 hours ago, slowpoked said:

I may be one of the very few, but with 1.5 seasons in, I realize I do miss Carrie's narration. There was just something in her narration that always tied everything together in an episode.

I miss Carrie's narration for the same reason too.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Surrealist

[Aulty]

As contrived as this story was, I don't blame Charlotte for doing a condom delivery following that phone call. Ideally Charlotte would already have provided her daughter with a packet on condoms when she had her little sex positive talk with Lily.
But Lily needs to be more responsible. That nonchalante line about playing pulling out roulette - to her mother no less - made her sound so immature.

I really need Charlotte to get a job again so she can stop obsessing over family life and work-life-balance-callibrate her brain again.

[Hana Chan]

10 hours ago, T Summer said:

That being said after the  wedding ring convo with Carrie I can understand that   being confronted with the reality that Steve has been sleeping with other women in their bed would make Miranda feel some type of way. It doesn't mean she's justified or has any right to expect him to be hanging around waiting for her. She has recently been expressing guilt and manifesting a kind of inertia as far as getting on with her life and the inevitable split  because she says she blew up everyone's lives. Now back in NYC she's  running over to make breakfast  for Brady every morning and doing household duties like she's doing some sort of penance.

I also think Steve sleeping with other women   at home makes now two parents manifesting not so great  behavior for the 17 year old in residence.

I agree that Miranda is trying to act like a penitent, at least as far as how she's treating Brady. Steve, on the other hand, she still wants out and this is not a reasonable expectation on her part. As others have pointed out, NYS is a no fault state and even though Miranda's name is the only one on the mortgage (WTF?), Steve would have more than ample proof that he was a more than equal partner in the maintenance of the home. In fact, I would argue that Miranda might have bought the house, but it was Steve that turned it into a home. And there are plenty of reasons why Miranda might be the only one on the mortgage (maybe having a stellar credit score), but that doesn't mean that Steve is not a fully equal partner in owning it. 

And given that Miranda was the one who left (to chase after Che), it's rather ridiculous for her to return to NY and then try to force Steve out of the home after he had been living there alone for going on a year. I'm glad that he's finally standing up for himself. The biggest issue I had with this whole storyline (outside of the fact that it came out of the blue, is poorly written and there is zero real chemistry between Miranda and Che) is that Miranda put the entirety of the blame for their marriage not being a ball of excitement on Steve. If Miranda was a man chasing after a younger partner, berating his wife for letting herself go and not being young and exciting anymore, it would be a cliché. She never expressed at any point that she was dissatisfied with their marriage to Steve, or wanted to work at fixing things. She put all the blame on him and never did any kind of self-reflection on how she might have contributed to things going so badly between them. She is selfish because she sees a relationship with Steve as him satisfying her needs and when he didn't (clearly because she wasn't communicating that her needs were changing), she dumped him. Let's remember that Steve cheated because Miranda was cutting him off sexually, so she had been in near total control of their relationship for a very long time.

I think back to the scene where Miranda was  talking about cutting up carrots for her child and comparing it to Che's very active and diverse sex life, and seeming to feel like this was time that she was wasting. This is so clearly a mid-life crisis and Miranda doesn't need a lesbian relationship to feel fulfilled; she needs a therapist! Maybe her marriage to Steve is irrevocably broken and can never be fixed, but she can take ownership over her role in how it played out and repair things between them enough that the can properly be parents to Brady without wanting to gouge one another's eyes out if in the same room.

As for Steve sleeping with other women in the house, I highly doubt that he's doing it while Brady is around. He's not that much of an idiot.

[Spartan Girl]

I really don’t know why the writers had to have Miranda suffer a bitch relapse with the condom. She was on the verge of an genuinely sincere apology to Steve, one that she should have made last season…and if it just ended there, I might have actually felt sympathy when Che dumped her and she was finally forced to deal with the consequences of her actions. That would have gone a long way for us

At least Steve held his ground when Miranda accused him of playing the victim and pointed out that they both moved on. That’s something, at least.

Edited July 21, 2023 by Spartan Girl

[luna1122again]

I thought this was a pretty solid episode, overall. It finally gave us an angry Steve, an angry-at-Che Miranda, and a relatable (ish) Che, all things I think most of us have kind of waited for. 

I still don't quite get Steve's voice/accent, which seems so much more pronounced and weird than it used to, but I loved his wrath. It shouldn't have taken him nearly a year to get that shit off his chest, but this kind of stuff hits us all in different timelines. Yeah, he took a low blow that he didn't even really mean, but if the writers wanted us to see him in a bad light, it didn't work. I kind of hated that he immediately apologized, but that's Steve. He's inherently a nice guy and didn't like making Miranda cry. 

Miranda had absolutely no right to be upset that Steve is sleeping with someone (and...maybe it's just me and I hope I'm wrong, but when Steve said the condom wasn't what she thought, I believed him, that there was some other explanation. He never really outright said yeah, he's sleeping with someone else, he just let her rant and kind of nodded. I HOPE he's sleeping with someone, or several someones, if he wants, and that the condom wasn't some fake-out somehow.) And I absolutely believe Miranda would have slept with Che in their bed if she'd had the opportunity, so her indignation about that was hypocritical AF. 

It was nice to see Miranda get pissed at Che instead of walking on eggshells around them. I thought she was judgey about Che's depression and Cameo gigs, but Che recording them in their douchey Andrew Dice Che persona, in bed, as Miranda was about to go to sleep...I mean, wtf. 

But I did appreciate a more subdued Che, with Carrie. I don't dislike Che. I just dislike them with Miranda. I thought Miranda took the breakup way to easily tho. She's been absolutely desperate to hold onto  Che, and that would definitely get tiresome, but I don't buy that she's suddenly all 'yeah, you're right, let's break up.". I doubt the breakup will stick, but here's hoping. 

Also what's with all the après-breakup spooning? Where's the yelling and throwing things and never letting them touch you again, like a normal person? 

LTW tromping thru a blizzard in 5 inch heels was stupid, but she looked great. Carrie's huge coat was also stupid, but I liked the visual. 

Carrie having a never before mentioned month-long writing partner back in the 90s was weird, but I guess it was supposed to be before we ever knew Carrie. I also did think it was weird that her 'keynote speech' was just her reading from her memoir? I didn't think her vibrator joke was so bad that nobody would laugh at it, tho. 

Charlotte seemed and looked more like the Charlotte of old this episode. She's still a little silly and shrill, but mostly calm about Lily's announcement, and I'm not a parent, so I have no idea how I'd react, but though her trouncing around in a blizzard on a condom search also seemed over the top, I guess maybe that's what a good mom would do? I don't know. In my day as a teen, we sure didn't tell our parents when we were about to sleep with someone. My mom still doesn't want to know about that, and I'm twice married with a fairly prolific history. 

Aidan: I've always been a JC fan, so when I first heard his Chris in the Morning voice in the preview, I admit I felt all warm and fuzzy. I don't know why he'd come back for more of Carrie though. And it makes me a little sad that he's divorced, but it's probably realistic. I look forward to seeing him, though it'll probably be a dumpster fire. 

 

[Hana Chan]

7 minutes ago, luna1122again said:

I still don't quite get Steve's voice/accent, which seems so much more pronounced and weird than it used to, but I loved his wrath.

I believe that's due to Dave Eigenberg's real life hearing loss. It's not unusual for speech patterns to change because he's sometimes struggling to hear himself.

I loved his wrath too, and I wish that he hadn't tried to walk back his barbs just because Miranda started crying. She certainly deserved to have him venting at her after everything she's pulled.

[Lola82]

7 hours ago, JeanJean said:

Can we keep Che and lose Miranda? I really liked Che last episode and this one. I find Sara tremendously likeable as an actor, anyway, maybe it's a holdover from their Grey days.

100%! I think Sara acts in a very real way that I really enjoy and compared to Cynthia’s cartoony, manic acting these days, I’d happily swap them out.

[TV Diva Queen]

I felt that Steve's "apology" was more of a concern to Miranda than an actual apology.  I felt that the didn't want her to leave angry and be vulnerable and distracted on the subway so to not get attacked/harm when she isn't focused on being a passenger at nighttime.  

[DrivingSideways]

YES STEVE!  Tell her what's what!  Miranda deserved every line of that and I was so irritated that Steve immediately apologized when she started cry-whimper-screaming out.  Miranda is terrible now, and since they seem to be hinting at a Nya hook up, let's just marry those two off and write them off the show.

Somehow I've become Team Che.  Was it rude to film Cameos in bed, should they have told Miranda they were going to do that.  Sure.  But also, why is Miranda immediately screeching WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?  People pay for Cameos, of course they're going to sound peppy.  Although I would be bitter if I paid for a Cameo and I got a 10 second message from a person leaning out of their bed.  Che's scene with Carrie showed way more lightness and personality than all of their tortured scenes with Cynthia Nixon.

I know as fans we want to see Aiden, but it just doesn't make sense to me in the story.  Carrie has become such a smug, above-it-all bitch.  Yes Karen was obnoxious but Carrie was so obviously not taking her seriously and just being all 'oooohhh' and rolling her eyes at everything she said.  I think SJP thinks it's a cute acting flourish that makes her seem relatable, but given that this character is clearly fabulous wealthy and doesn't have to work, it comes off as imperious and rude.

Where is the actor that played Skipper?  Last I saw him he was in a coffee creamer commercial.  They should make Miranda atone for the way she treated poor Skippy too!

[greekmom]

Miranda getting yelled at by Steve was perfect - till he caved in and she balled. UGH!  Plus Miranda is a lawyer. She knows that NY is no fault and that the home regardless of who's name is on the title or mortgage is still the marital home and has to be split 50/50. So either Steve buys her out and she buys Steve out or they sell it and split the money.   Looks like when she left Steve, she left her brain at the door.

I still don't like Che.  I don't like the fact that they are soooooo fucking lazy. All they do is smoke weed all day, watch tv, play video games and bitch that they lost a tv show. Grow up idiot! So you've had a career set back. Get back out at the clubs. Get some therapy for your depression instead of smoking the devil's lettuce all day!! UGH. (note: my frustration is about their lazy ass)

I don't like how Lily played Charlotte in making her go out in a snow storm to get condoms.  I would have told Lily to go get her freaking condoms or suffer the consequences of unsafe sex. No glove - no love. That is what we were taught. 

LW and Carrie walking in the snow storm was VERY unrealistic.

In regards to Aiden. I never thought he was a dirtbag. I just thought he was more of an adult at the time instead of Carrie with a bit of old fashioned ideas.  Plus let's be honest, Carrie liked the fact that Big was rich.  Now that Aiden has money, guess he's acceptable in Carrie's eyes.

[chitowngirl]

They mentioned Trey!

[luna1122again]

18 minutes ago, chitowngirl said:

They mentioned Trey!

I'd love to see Trey again. I'm not sure I buy that Charlotte wanted to be friends but Trey didn't. We never saw that, but it almost seems more likely the other way around. I liked Trey, I hope he had a good life after Charlotte. 

[greekmom]

2 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

They mentioned Trey!

I did FF alot. When was he mentioned!

I too want to see Trey, just so Charlotte can get her one up in I did have kids.

I never liked Trey. 

[RedDelicious]

9 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

"TGIFriday's? Please, can we not make this worse than it was? He was a waiter at The Saloon, ok? And let me remind you, in 1988, The Saloon was very happening."

I love how perfectly the quote works as a response.

Crackers come with. *clicks pen

[Rebecca berkowit]

Agreed Che is much better without Miranda.  Che and Carrie have a fun vibe, they always did.  Also, the line when Miranda, wanting affection, says “come here,” and Che says “Why?  We both just did,” bugs me.  It is just so awful and crude coming from someone who is supposed to care about and be in a relationship with the other person.  Why do they write Che that way?  Again, if this was a man, it would be very obvious that he was a gross user.  And yet Che, outside of a romantic pairing, seems like a pretty nice person, albeit a bit of a lazy stoner.  Why the split personality with this character?  Fun in the streets, douche in the sheets?  Why does Miranda think this is love?  Were we supposed to think that, too?  Sure seemed like they wanted us to.  Shouldn’t the reason for the breakup have been not that they were “too different” or “it just wasn’t working,” but that Che was just into Miranda for the sex and didn’t try to hide that?  

[bluegirl147]

12 hours ago, Lethallyfab said:

4 hours ago, Lola82 said:

 

Speaking of condoms, the sexually active Carrie apparently doesn’t use them?  She acted as if it would be totally gauche to use them and was mortally offended that Charlotte brought up the possibility of STIs.

Carrie's indignation that Charlotte would even ask was ridiculous. Up till recently she was sleeping with someone. Unless she insisted he get checked by a doctor first it's not unbelievable they would use condoms.

4 hours ago, Lola82 said:

I think Sara acts in a very real way that I really enjoy and compared to Cynthia’s cartoony, manic acting these days, I’d happily swap them out.

No matter what Sara has said publicly I think they knows there is no chemistry with Miranda/Cynthia and it shows in their performance. They always seem hyper or tense with her.  She was much more relaxed with Carrie.

3 hours ago, DrivingSideways said:

Carrie has become such a smug, above-it-all bitch.

I always thought she was that way but yeah she is more so now.  And SJP while never the best actress she is just phoning it in.

3 hours ago, greekmom said:

I still don't like Che.  I don't like the fact that they are soooooo fucking lazy. All they do is smoke weed all day, watch tv, play video games and bitch that they lost a tv show. Grow up idiot! So you've had a career set back. Get back out at the clubs. Get some therapy for your depression instead of smoking the devil's lettuce all day!! UGH. (note: my frustration is about their lazy ass)

They are in their late 40s right?  We were supposed to believe that last season they were famous enough to have a Netflix special right? And then the pilot offer.   I don't think we were supposed to think Che was some overnight success. I'm sure they had down periods before in their career.  I do get the impression Che has not been smart with money.

 

[bluegirl147]

2 minutes ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

Again, if this was a man, it would be very obvious that he was a gross user.

And that bothers me so much.  Carrie dumped a guy for being married to his work and having a partner who didn't understand boundaries but Miranda is puts up with Che?

4 minutes ago, Rebecca berkowit said:

Also, the line when Miranda, wanting affection, says “come here,” and Che says “Why?  We both just did,” bugs me.

When I heard that line I cringed. That is totally something a guy who is only with you for sex would say. There was also that line Che said in the previous episode when they were at dinner which I can't remember but that is also something if a guy said we would groan and think gross dickhead.