S05.E01: Double Down

[WendyCR72]

Airing September 25, 2022:

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Officer John Nolan’s is once again face-to-face with serial killer Rosalind, and she wants him to know she’s not done with him yet. Meanwhile, officers Bradford and Chen work undercover with Detective Lopez and the Las Vegas Police Department to arrest leaders of a major criminal enterprise.

[Msample]

The endless spamming of commercials for the insufferable “FEDS” spin off along with the reference to the “ROOKIE UNIVERSE” leave me with the queasy feeling we’re going to be subjected to more crossovers. Ugh. 

[preeya]

12 minutes ago, Msample said:

The endless spamming of commercials for the insufferable “FEDS” spin off along with the reference to the “ROOKIE UNIVERSE” leave me with the queasy feeling we’re going to be subjected to more crossovers. Ugh. 

NOOOOOO!

[Sandman]

Can this be it for Rosalind the Evil Genius, please? God, I’m so sick of Annie Wersching’s endless smirking.

I mean, of course it’s a two-parter. Eccch. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by Sandman

[Gregg247]

I was talking this show up to some friends last week and I described it as a "dramedy" since they have such a light-hearted team.  Then this episode happened.  :(  Tonight's episode focused on the 2 things "The Rookie" does poorly - undercover stories and serial killers.

Every time they have someone go undercover, the cop(s) act tough in the same way as all the other cops going undercover do on the show, and the bad guys (who are always inter-changable with all the other generic bad guys on this show) go through the usual cocky-dangerous-threatening act that all the bad guys on this show do.  I can always tell how dangerous these bad guys actually are by looking at the clock and seeing how long it'll take to wrap the case up and get back to the station for a bit of comedy at the end.

Serial killers are nasty.  I had my fill of them from watching "The Mentalist" for all 7 seasons and I don't relish going through "Red John lite" on this show (Officer Bradford would know all about THAT.) **  

Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I like when the cast are in their patrol cars, solving cases and investigating crimes while chatting in between calls and doing rookie training.

** - The actor who plays Tim was an FBI agent on "The Mentalist" who was secretly a disciple of Red John.  He even got engaged to Grace simply so he could keep an eye on the team for RJ.  Good to see him on the good guys' side now.

[preeya]

22 minutes ago, Gregg247 said:

I was talking this show up to some friends last week and I described it as a "dramedy" since they have such a light-hearted team.  Then this episode happened.  :(  Tonight's episode focused on the 2 things "The Rookie" does poorly - undercover stories and serial killers.

Every time they have someone go undercover, the cop(s) act tough in the same way as all the other cops going undercover do on the show, and the bad guys (who are always inter-changable with all the other generic bad guys on this show) go through the usual cocky-dangerous-threatening act that all the bad guys on this show do.  I can always tell how dangerous these bad guys actually are by looking at the clock and seeing how long it'll take to wrap the case up and get back to the station for a bit of comedy at the end.

Serial killers are nasty.  I had my fill of them from watching "The Mentalist" for all 7 seasons and I don't relish going through "Red John lite" on this show (Officer Bradford would know all about THAT.) **  

Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I like when the cast are in their patrol cars, solving cases and investigating crimes while chatting in between calls and doing rookie training.

** - The actor who plays Tim was an FBI agent on "The Mentalist" who was secretly a disciple of Red John.  He even got engaged to Grace simply so he could keep an eye on the team for RJ.  Good to see him on the good guys' side now.

I was a fan of The Mentalist. I never made the connection to Bradford. Thanks for the info, and great writeup.

And I'm all for ending Rosalind, ASAP.

[pertho]

I don't know why but the yellow triangle thing on the body cams reminds me of the Qantas logo.

I'll be honest, I feel like they're dragging the Rosalind storyline a bit too much.

[Sandman]

Also, Wersching was so obviously wearing a wig in the opening sequence, I don’t know how any of the various forces missed it. It’s not that Rosalind’s some Evil Super Genius, it’s just none of these bozos pays any attention!

[nittany cougar]

There are two big problems for me. If Rosalind was going to change into street clothes, would they not have instructed her lawyer to bring the clothes to jail so she could change there? I  find it hard to believe that the security would be so lax.

Also, why would Chris need an Uber from the courthouse? I find it hard to believe that he does not have a car in a city that requires so much driving.

Would LAPD  let two officers get on an airplane controlled by criminals? That was really dumb to me.

Why didn't Lucy close the door when she was taking a shower? She might as well have just walked around the room naked.

I think that Lucy and Tim are assholes for even considering cheating on their significant others.  They have never once shown them thinking about the impact of their "undercover" romance on their actual relationships.

Edited September 26, 2022 by nittany cougar

[Sandman]

1 hour ago, nittany cougar said:

They have never once shown them thinking about the impact of their "undercover" romance on their actual relationships.

I like to think that at least some of Lucy's hesitation comes from this, but you're right: it's never been explicitly said.

[SilverLake0315]

1 hour ago, nittany cougar said:

Also, why would Chris need an Uber from the courthouse? I find it hard to believe that he does not have a car in a city that requires so much driving.

I thought the prosecutor (sorry, don't know his name) said an officer was waiting to drive him home?

[Zaffy]

Welcome back Rookie, same dumb show you were last year. Nothing changed.
Overflowed with stupidity:
-her car crossed the border, so it must have been Rosalind, so go back to your homes now.
-let's remove restrains from a serial killer in public space so she can change clothes when she could do that in jail.
etc etc etc

Yeah, sorry The Rookie, but Nolan is no Clarice and Rosalind is no Hannibal. 

After all, serial killer stories are so boring and so overdone.
I am really wondering...do people  really like serial killer stories that much?
Why almost every procedural/police story/crime drama must have a serial killer "visit" that always goes after a cop or two?
Or it is just lazy writing? ;)

The only way Rosalind could be useful is if she "get rids" of Bailey. 
We can always hope, right?

 

[Raja]

2 hours ago, nittany cougar said:

There are two big problems for me. If Rosalind was going to change into street clothes, would they not have instructed her lawyer to bring the clothes to jail so she could change there? I  find it hard to believe that the security would be so lax.

Also, why would Chris need an Uber from the courthouse? I find it hard to believe that he does not have a car in a city that requires so much driving.

Would LAPD  let two officers get on an airplane controlled by criminals? That was really dumb to me.

Why didn't Lucy close the door when she was taking a shower? She might as well have just walked around the room naked.

I think that Lucy and Tim are assholes for even considering cheating on their significant others.  They have never once shown them thinking about the impact of their "undercover" romance on their actual relationships.

LAPD didn't decide, Detective Lopez on her authority decided to go ahead when her rich rookie paid for the flight with no guarantee that the city would reimburse him.

Lucy left the door to the bathroom open because Lucy had already decided to let Tim in. He just wanted to talk about it first rather than act on the invitation.

Another golden ticket, I didn't even think of that. At least we get the impression that Nolan has been in the shit so much that his few years have given him more experience to pass on than Smitty has amassed in 20 years.

[NYGirl]

Since it's 2 parts I'm really hoping Rosalind gets to Bailey next week.

I couldn't get over the "their car is heading towards the border so we can go home now"

Too many FBI Rookie commercials.  I hate Neicy and I wouldn't watch that show if you paid me.

I cannot stand Lucy and now they are going to go the route of dating.  Ugh

[milkyaqua]

Thank goodness for this forum.  I was torn between watching this or finishing up Van Der Valk on PBS.  I'm glad I stuck with PBS.  I did tune in to the open and after witnessing Lucy dreaming of Tim, I quickly turned back.  I turned back a little later to see Nolan get offered the golden ticket and knew he'd make the decision he did at the end of the show.

I do hope they wrap up the Rosalind storyline next week for good.  And yes, let's send all of our folks home who we kept in the briefing room to protect them from a serial killer...  And another of course, TPTB are playing into the audience Tim/Lucy fixation and solve it by killing her boyfriend (I hope they at least leave Tim's girlfriend alive and let him break up with her because he's an idiot).

Agree with others about too many Rookie: Fed commercials.  Come on network.  I don't even mind Niecy Nash Betts but this is ridiculous and I don't just mean the commercials themselves.

Edited September 26, 2022 by milkyaqua

[preeya]

Aftermath of the season opener. The showrunner speaks and it doesn't look too promising for our wishes.

Read it here:   https://tinyurl.com/2o5m836a

[SilverLake0315]

3 hours ago, Zaffy said:

The only way Rosalind could be useful is if she "get rids" of Bailey. 

THIS!!! I'm so tired of her. Who is Jenna blackmailing?! 🤦‍♀️

[Andyourlittledog2]

I hit play on my DVR and saw Rosalind and my mind screamed 'Noooooooooooooooooo!!"

And then I came straight here to find out how bad it really was going to be. And it is. Really bad.

I skipped the last season finale because I just could not. I had hoped for this season to be better but apparently not only do we get more Rosalind but it's a two parter!!  And then we have Chenford and the showrunner's interview (referenced above). And of course Bailey. Add to that the fact that this show thinks Rookie Feds is a good idea and I am just out. Period. 

It was a good run but I cannot with this nonsense any more. Good luck to all of you who choose to stick with it. I will check back from time to time just to see if anything ever happens to Bailey. It's probably futile but I cannot help wondering how long the Bailey joke will keep playing.

Bye!

[Guest]

It was enjoyable overall. But…. Usually I separate this show pretty well from Castle, but it’s starting to give me XXX killer vibes. (Not demographically but the serial killer who just keeps getting past the cops)

[Brian Cronin]

18 hours ago, nittany cougar said:

Why didn't Lucy close the door when she was taking a shower? She might as well have just walked around the room naked.

Had it been intentional flirting, it would have been fine, but yeah, for it to be accidental (which it clearly was) is just absurd. That's not Lucy at all. Like, AT ALL. 

[Jodithgrace]

So, the actually gave the serial killer, a guard named Suriel?  Was that supposed to be a joke? 

If I could predict every single thing that happened, why couldn’t the damn police? Massive stupidity all around. 

I will never watch Rookie Feds (terrible name) if it’s the last thing on tv. They can do all the crossovers they want. 
 

Ugh…one more week of Rosalind! Kill her, already!

[Snapdragon]

For some reason, I thought Nyla gave birth to her baby at the end of last season, so I was surprised to see that she was still pregnant.  I'm assuming that Chen's boyfriend (Chris?) will survive and the guilt over him getting attacked (plus the fact that she was making eyes at Bradford while he was bleeding out on the couch) will keep Chen dating him for awhile, putting off Chenford until the end of the season (or possibly the mid-season finale).  

Honestly, I enjoy the cast of this show but during episodes like this one, I do wonder how they made it to season 5.  

[Snazzy Daisy]

Chenford’s kissing practices contribute nothing to their undercover. What a lame fan service… enough already! 🙄

Rosalind is a copycat??! 🤨

[Raja]

3 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Chenford’s kissing practices contribute nothing to their undercover. What a lame fan service… enough already! 🙄

The odd thing is that I can't remember any fan posting that they are in favor of the ship. Maybe my bias is kicking in. In any case  it looks like full speed ahead once they get past the politically correct shock time from the aftermath of settled for boyfriend dying, or finding out about Chenford while their cheating.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Raja

[Brian Cronin]

2 hours ago, Raja said:

The odd thing is that I can't remember any fan posting that they are in favor of the ship. Maybe my bias is kicking in. In any case  it looks like full speed ahead once they get past the politically correct shock time from the aftermath of settled for boyfriend dying, or finding out about while their cheating.

Chenford is a VERY popular ship. I totally get it, as they certainly do have strong chemistry, but I hate the idea that actors who have good chemistry with each other have to be romantically involved, even if makes no sense for the story in the series. So I don't like the idea of finally going there with Chenford, but it really IS a very popular ship. The showrunner/creator of the show brings it up all of the time, how many fans ask for it to happen. Up until now, he's done the ol' "It makes no sense, so I won't do it," but he's finally caved to fan pressure. 

[Faceplant]

On 9/26/2022 at 7:24 AM, Sandman said:

Also, Wersching was so obviously wearing a wig in the opening sequence, I don’t know how any of the various forces missed it. It’s not that Rosalind’s some Evil Super Genius, it’s just none of these bozos pays any attention!

That also bothered me because it was such an obvious wig. 

[Snapdragon]

8 hours ago, Raja said:

The odd thing is that I can't remember any fan posting that they are in favor of the ship. Maybe my bias is kicking in. In any case  it looks like full speed ahead once they get past the politically correct shock time from the aftermath of settled for boyfriend dying, or finding out about Chenford while their cheating.

I actually don't mind the idea of Chenford since I feel the actors have really good chemistry together.  It's just that the show is going about it in the most awkward way possible.  I mean, the episode of Who's The Boss where Tony and Angela had to share pajamas in a hotel room had more heat than whatever was going on with Chenford in this premiere.  

Edited September 28, 2022 by Snapdragon

[Brian Cronin]

1 minute ago, Snapdragon said:

I mean, the episode of Who's The Boss where Tony and Angela having to share pajamas in a hotel room had more heat than whatever was going on with Chenford in this premiere.  

You've now reminded me how the chemistry between Tony and Angela was SO fucking hot for YEARS but they didn't let them get together until they had the chemistry of a couple who had been married for 60 years. But yes, I agree Lucy and Tim didn't seem all that hot together in this episode. They've had moments of good tension before, though.

[bros402]

Oh, The Rookie, this hilariously dumb show is back. It's hilarious how they just decided to handle the end of last season.

I might've gotten distracted, but was the chief at the precinct for the entire time they were hunting for Rosalind?

I hope something happens to Bailey... please... she has to be blackmailing the studio at this point - she cannot act her way out of a paper bag.

 

On 9/25/2022 at 11:36 PM, Sandman said:

Can this be it for Rosalind the Evil Genius, please? God, I’m so sick of Annie Wersching’s endless smirking.

I mean, of course it’s a two-parter. Eccch. 

I like Annie Wersching.... but Rosalind is past her expiration date - they overused her. Can Annie Wersching please star in a show so 1. She gets to star in something and display her acting and 2. We don't have to see her on The Rookie anymore?

at this point I am surprised they haven't revealed Rosalind has an identical twin who is the polar opposite of her.

[jabRI]

11 hours ago, Faceplant said:

Also, Wersching was so obviously wearing a wig in the opening sequence, I don’t know how any of the various forces missed it. It’s not that Rosalind’s some Evil Super Genius, it’s just none of these bozos pays any attention!

There's no way that would happen in real life.  Inmates don't get those options, particularly serial killers on their way to a heavily guarded trial.  Really stupid plot point.  And that she can just escape unnoticed by taking off her wig, come on already.

[Mrs. Stanwyck]

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Chenford is a VERY popular ship. I totally get it, as they certainly do have strong chemistry, but I hate the idea that actors who have good chemistry with each other have to be romantically involved, even if makes no sense for the story in the series. So I don't like the idea of finally going there with Chenford, but it really IS a very popular ship. The showrunner/creator of the show brings it up all of the time, how many fans ask for it to happen. Up until now, he's done the ol' "It makes no sense, so I won't do it," but he's finally caved to fan pressure. 

I like Tim and I like Lucy but I am not one who wants a romance between them.  Back in Season 1, Talia and Angela tell her she should not date another cop if she wants to be taken seriously - its why she breaks up with John.  So, here they have the original problem of having already said why she shouldn't date another cop but they make it much worse by having it be her superior officer.  If they were going to go down this road, they never should have had Lucy work for Tim once he was done being her training officer.

Also, I know last year after the trial prep scene with Lucy and Chris, some people thought he might be working with Rosalind after the humming incident.  I guess this episode ruled that out.

Here's hoping her guilt over Chris keeps her away from Tim for a long time although in retrospect, I really don't want scene after scene of these two staring longingly at each other.  If that's what we are in for, then I retract my wish.  Just put them together and have their romance be mostly off screen like Angela and Wesley.

[Msample]

4 hours ago, jabRI said:

There's no way that would happen in real life.  Inmates don't get those options, particularly serial killers on their way to a heavily guarded trial.  Really stupid plot point.  And that she can just escape unnotced by taking off her wig, come on already.

Speaking of unrealistic trial set ups, WTF was Bailey doing at the courthouse ? What’s next , is she going to be an expert eye witness to refute the testimony of the FBI tire specialist ? The endless force feeding of the Bailey character down viewers throats has gone way past jumping the shark. 

[Clanstarling]

On 9/25/2022 at 8:36 PM, Sandman said:

Can this be it for Rosalind the Evil Genius, please? God, I’m so sick of Annie Wersching’s endless smirking.

Powers that be please hear our plea. I delayed watching this because Rosalind was back again for a smugfest.

On 9/25/2022 at 9:11 PM, Gregg247 said:

Serial killers are nasty.  I had my fill of them from watching "The Mentalist" for all 7 seasons and I don't relish going through "Red John lite" on this show (Officer Bradford would know all about THAT.) **  

Maybe I'm an old fogey, but I like when the cast are in their patrol cars, solving cases and investigating crimes while chatting in between calls and doing rookie training.

** - The actor who plays Tim was an FBI agent on "The Mentalist" who was secretly a disciple of Red John.  He even got engaged to Grace simply so he could keep an eye on the team for RJ.  Good to see him on the good guys' side now.

I stopped watching "The Mentalist" in either season 5 or 6. I got so tired of the Red John story. I hate "big bads" who show up once or twice a season (like Pelant in Bones, and many others). I'd rather they just come up with new ones who don't linger.

I do not remember the actor in "The Mentalist." Thanks for the tip.

On 9/26/2022 at 4:46 AM, nittany cougar said:

Why didn't Lucy close the door when she was taking a shower? She might as well have just walked around the room naked.

Consciously, or unconsciously, she wanted Tim to see her. Bad idea, very bad idea on so many levels.

When her boyfriend was Rosalinded, I thought "well, that's the boyfriend out of the way." And yes, my mind drifted to Bailey...

On 9/26/2022 at 11:24 PM, Brian Cronin said:

Had it been intentional flirting, it would have been fine, but yeah, for it to be accidental (which it clearly was) is just absurd. That's not Lucy at all. Like, AT ALL. 

Maybe her undercover character lingered a bit.

Despite the myriad of suspension of disbelief problems with this episode, it was nice to see the gang back.

Edited September 28, 2022 by Clanstarling

[taragel]

Lol, this is like visiting Bizarroland in comparison to Twitter (and Tumblr too maybe), re: Chenford. It's an incredibly popular ship there (screenshots of trending topics include The Rookie at #20-25 at various times while airing, with about 6K tweets for #Chenford). I think they have very good chemistry and their flirtations have made me way more interested than I used to be in the show overall. They've truly (and mostly smartly) invested in building them quite a lot over the past season and a half. It was nice to see some actual forward momentum rather than the forever will they/won't they dynamic that feels more and more unrealistic these days (modern love moves fast.) The Chris thing is a predictable roadblock (as is Ashley, for that matter) but I think they're walking a nice balance between giving the audience enough to stay engaged and happy and letting it unroll in a very slow burn scenario. 

[Brian Cronin]

6 hours ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

Back in Season 1, Talia and Angela tell her she should not date another cop if she wants to be taken seriously - its why she breaks up with John.  So, here they have the original problem of having already said why she shouldn't date another cop but they make it much worse by having it be her superior officer.  If they were going to go down this road, they never should have had Lucy work for Tim once he was done being her training officer.

Yeah, that's precisely why Chenford doesn't make ANY sense, story-wise. People can have great chemistry without actually being romantically involved. However, as noted earlier, it clearly is a very popular ship, so I'm sure it'll eventually happen, despite it contradicting the show's very explicit past positions. 

[Netfoot]

This show really is trash, but what else can I watch? Niecy Nash? I'll stick with this.

On 9/28/2022 at 12:52 AM, bros402 said:

at this point I am surprised they haven't revealed Rosalind has an identical twin who is the polar opposite of her.

They are going to save the twin sister until after they kill "Rosalind" and then decide to bring her back. The sister will have been the one killed and Rosalind will return from the dead.

On 9/28/2022 at 12:43 PM, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

I like Tim and I like Lucy but I am not one who wants a romance between them.

Me neither, but I think it's slated to happen no matter what we want. That being the case, please let them go at it furiously, in front of an unnoticed surveillance camera, with the rest of the squad watching. Because the only thing more tedious than them bonking each other would be sneeking around behind everyone's back to do it!

On 9/28/2022 at 1:38 PM, Msample said:

WTF was Bailey doing at the courthouse ?

Well, there was a fire...

[b4pjoe]

This show is coming close to being removed from my DVR queue with all of the stupid overused plots.

[Thomas Crown]

On 9/27/2022 at 6:01 PM, Brian Cronin said:

Chenford is a VERY popular ship. I totally get it, as they certainly do have strong chemistry, but I hate the idea that actors who have good chemistry with each other have to be romantically involved, even if makes no sense for the story in the series. So I don't like the idea of finally going there with Chenford, but it really IS a very popular ship. The showrunner/creator of the show brings it up all of the time, how many fans ask for it to happen. Up until now, he's done the ol' "It makes no sense, so I won't do it," but he's finally caved to fan pressure. 

You are right about it being very popular.   I'm actually surprised how popular it's gotten.  I looked at the Rookie Facebook page and postings containing Chenford content get way more responses than any other posts.  A lot more.  They even had a recap video of the top 5 things you need to know before going into season 5 and Chenford was # 1 (ahead of Nolan's story).  

Back to the Bishop comment from season 1.  In my mind, I always took it as Bishop telling Chen not to date another cop while being a rookie.  Otherwise that is horrible advice to give someone to tell them they can never date a co-worker for the rest of their career.  Imagine telling Lucy that no matter how much she progresses and advances in the police force (such as becoming a detective, advancing to captain, etc) that she can never date a fellow co-worker because others will not take you seriously.   That's horrible advice to give someone because by that point she's more than proven herself.  I think the writers realize the ambiguity in Bishop's speech to Lucy since they've been sprinkling comments about how good Lucy has become since she's is no longer a rookie. 

[Brian Cronin]

Bishop, though, talked about the general stigma about female cops sleeping with male cops, not rookies. As we've seen, since the Lucy/Nolan thing ended, there hasn't been a single cop-on-cop romance on the show since, right? I think Alexi Hawley truly believes that that is the way to go, but at the same time, Chenford is just too popular to ignore. So he'll just have to shrug his shoulders and move forward with it. 

[WendyCR72]

3 hours ago, Brian Cronin said:

Bishop, though, talked about the general stigma about female cops sleeping with male cops, not rookies. As we've seen, since the Lucy/Nolan thing ended, there hasn't been a single cop-on-cop romance on the show since, right? I think Alexi Hawley truly believes that that is the way to go, but at the same time, Chenford is just too popular to ignore. So he'll just have to shrug his shoulders and move forward with it. 

But is Chenford popular - or is that segment just louder? Therein lies the crux. Because if Lucy should not date Nolan, the same rule should apply to Bradford.

And fan service to cater to a segment - IMO! - is never a good idea. Because every show has shippers and anti-shippers. Every other procedural (that I have watched, so I may be misinformed!) tends to straddle the line as best they can between the two, without being blatant in one direction or the other.

But TPTB will do what they want to.

[Brian Cronin]

1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

But is Chenford popular - or is that segment just louder? Therein lies the crux. 

I legit don't know how you can really tell the difference if you're a showrunner. I think to most of them, "Most vocal" = "Most popular," unless, like, the second most vocal is the direct opposite of the most vocal. ;) 

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Because if Lucy should not date Nolan, the same rule should apply to Bradford.

Oh, absolutely. In fact, let's say we even want to say Bishop didn't know what she was talking about, a romance with Tim would clearly be WORSE, since he's her DIRECT SUPERVISOR. It's patently absurd for a romance to occur between a second year cop and her direct supervisor (especially when she's as ambitious as Lucy is, and thus even MORE likely to not want to do anything that might hurt her reputation). However, notice that when Tim talked to Lopez about it, she clearly didn't give a shit, and Lopez has typically been presented as a voice of reason on the show (at least when it comes to being a cop). 

I think that Hawley clearly agreed with Bishop when he had her say it to Lucy early on. Again, he hasn't had a cop/cop romance on the series since (Nolan has dated an FBI agent, an ER doc and a superhero; Lucy has dated a serial killer's aide, a firefighter and a DA; Jackson dated an actor and a doctor; Tim has dated a social worker and a daughter of a cop; Lopez has dated/married a lawyer and Harper has dated a community organizer and whatever that other parent at her kid's school did for a living - clearly not a cop), so I think he totally planned on following through with that, as he has for so many seasons already, but he also seems to now want to eventually give into the Chenford fandom.

I personally don't like it, but I can get it. Fan service can be grating, but we're in Season 5, ya know? It's not like he gave in right away. But, like an article I wrote last season, it's pretty much a snowball idea - it's kind of inevitable, good or bad.

Edited October 1, 2022 by Brian Cronin
Forgot to include Jackson's romances

[Raja]

On 9/28/2022 at 3:51 PM, Brian Cronin said:

Yeah, that's precisely why Chenford doesn't make ANY sense, story-wise. People can have great chemistry without actually being romantically involved. However, as noted earlier, it clearly is a very popular ship, so I'm sure it'll eventually happen, despite it contradicting the show's very explicit past positions. 

The show as a whole stopped trying to use some actual LAPD culture as its base after Afton Williamson left. About all that was left was that there no upper age limit so a Nolan could get hired.

[muffkins]

Man, if Rosalind becomes the Pelant of The Rookie, I may have to stop watching.  I missed several seasons of Bones because of that story line.

[HurricaneVal]

On 9/27/2022 at 3:01 PM, Brian Cronin said:

I totally get it, as they certainly do have strong chemistry, but I hate the idea that actors who have good chemistry with each other have to be romantically involved, even if makes no sense for the story in the series.

I totally agree.  Why can't there be a strong friendship?  Bonding through common experience?

That said.....I did really enjoy their UC scenes.  They were a lot of fun to watch.

[Brian Cronin]

6 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:

I totally agree.  Why can't there be a strong friendship?  Bonding through common experience?

That said.....I did really enjoy their UC scenes.  They were a lot of fun to watch.

A really crazy example of this was on NYPD Blue when Rick Schroder was missing and right before they added Mark-Paul Gosselaar, Dennis Franz's Sipowicz had to be paired temporarily with Charlotte Ross' Connie McDowell, and they had GREAT chemistry as partners. Did the show say, "Oh hey, they're great together, wouldn't it be cool if we kept Sipowicz paired with a woman?" Or did the show say, "Wow, they have great chemistry as partners. I guess that means they should date and get married, despite the 22-year age gap!"

If you know TV, you know the way they went. 

[Clanstarling]

10 hours ago, muffkins said:

Man, if Rosalind becomes the Pelant of The Rookie, I may have to stop watching.  I missed several seasons of Bones because of that story line.

At least the Roslind episodes. I did the same with Pelant. The actor was good, though. I've seen him in a couple other shows where he plays a nice guy - and I didn't even recognize him because of it.

[Brian Cronin]

2 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

At least the Roslind episodes. I did the same with Pelant. The actor was good, though. I've seen him in a couple other shows where he plays a nice guy - and I didn't even recognize him because of it.

Andrew Leads! Yes, he is so good as both a creep AND as a nice guy. It's so freakin' jarring!

He was also a creep on A Million Little Things, but then so nice on Zoey's Extraordinary Playlist and The Conners.

[domina89]

11 hours ago, HurricaneVal said:

I totally agree.  Why can't there be a strong friendship?  Bonding through common experience?

That said.....I did really enjoy their UC scenes.  They were a lot of fun to watch.

Allowing the demands of fans to eclipse intelligent storytelling is not wise.  I have no issue, really, with Chenford.  I do think they have amazing chemistry and the show would be foolish not to capitalize on it, but they need to make it make sense within the context of what they have already said in previous seasons.  I think the best Chenford moment in this episode was when they were on the plane and Lucy finds out about Rosalind's escape.  Tim just reaches up and holds her hand without saying anything.  That was a great moment between those two characters.

[WendyCR72]

Wasn't Annie Wersching also a guest star on Castle?

Which means either NF or TPTB love her and likely means the Rosalind arc may well go stale. TPTB really need to re-learn "less is more".

[limecoke]

Soooooooooooo predictable.  I was bored. Yawn.