S02.E09: Sparring Partners

[jenrising]

Closing in on the killer, Mabel takes her investigative talents into the ring.  Oliver and Charles duke it out over a birdcage only to end up confronting their deepest paternal struggles.

Available 8/16

[CraftyHazel]

Holy cow…I loved it!

[cardigirl]

Poor Oliver!  But the fight in the elevator was pure gold!

[sjankis630]

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Poor Oliver!  But the fight in the elevator was pure gold!

I love Howard getting on the elevator and thinking that it was OK then....... pandemonium!!!!!

[dbklmt]

8 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

Poor Oliver!  But the fight in the elevator was pure gold!

Season one had Steve Martin's physical comedy with the elevator.  This time it was Martin Short and Nathan Lane.  ❤️ 

[sjankis630]

So who is the pushy woman with brown hair and the glasses? Cinda or Poppy? 

[grandmabegum]

This episode paid off big on a lot of loose ends.

[Jediknight]

"Well shit."

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.  Given Alice's past is a mystery (wasn't buying what she said during Son of Sam), the Not OK in Oklahoma puzzle piece, and her having the Son of Sam card, I thought she was gonna be Becky.

Why did Becky change her name, move to New York, and stick with Cinda?  Why is she so afraid of Cinda, if Cinda's been covering for her?  Is Poppy spewing bullshit?

[thuganomics85]

At first I thought nothing would ever top the Captain America vs. Hydra elevator brawl in The Winter Solider.  I thought Yelena vs. Kate Bishop on Hawkeye came close.  But now we know what is truly the best elevator fight scene of all time: Oliver Putnam vs. Teddy Dimas!  Complete with Howard as an unwilling spectator!  I'm also sure Martin Short and Nathan Lane did their own stunts!  Epic!!!

Not surprised that Krieps seems to only be a cog in the wheel, but I didn't predict that Cinda could actually be the criminal mastermind!  Sounds like it might be connected to her and Krieps faking the discovery in the first case she covered that made her famous.  Even Becky, the supposed victim in the story, is none other than Poppy.  I'm still wondering if Cinda is the actual killer or if there is going to be another swerve here (how would Bunny be connected to any of this?), but I can't wait to see how this all plays out in the finale.

So, Teddy is Will's biological father after-all, but Oliver is going to pretend that the test was positive and Teddy is willing to go along with it.  I can see that.  For all of his flaws, I do think Teddy is sincere about thinking that he and Oliver are "even" now and truly wants Oliver to continue to have a great relationship with his son.  Credit to Lane to giving the character dimensions when he easily could have been a one-note antagonist.

Alice returns and comes baring puzzles and apologies to Mabel, who is wisely still keeping her distance.  I don't trust Alice still and wouldn't be surprised if another big revelation is in store for her here.

Shirley MacLaine is back and she was actually Rose Cooper this entire time!  Also sounds like Charles' father wasn't as bad as he initially thought.  MacLaine and Steve Martin did great work in those scenes.

Can't wait till next week!

[twoods]

But still so many questions. What does Cinda’s shadiness have to do with Kleps being involved in Bunny’s murder? Is Cinda behind all of this to make a successful podcast? But then how does Bunny know her since she clearly knew the killer? Just so many freaking questions, and there is only one episode left.

Poor Oliver. I was so happy about the DNA results at first and then his conversation with Will was lovely, but then they pulled the rug out. We did get the epic Teddy and Oliver “fight” in the elevator which was amazing. I would love to see the outtakes for that.

Edited August 16, 2022 by twoods

[Irlandesa]

5 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Complete with Howard as an unwilling spectator! 

Don't forget precious Winnie.

I knew Oliver was lying after the hug between him and his son.  There was just this slight wistful expression Short made that gave it all away for me.  Nicely done. 

This episode had some lines that cracked me up like Teddy talking about how he roped his son into a criminal organization and covering up his involvement in the death of a woman while Oliver tries to top him with "I encouraged my son to go into the theater." And both seemed to agree that was kind of worse.

Or Kreps in the beginning "that moment you see a woman.  Or a guy if you're into that."

I'm surprised they didn't try to reverse image search the logo. 

I'd seen theories that potentially Cinda was behind the murders or frame up but I never predicted that Becky Butler was still alive. There's so much to wrap up in the last episode of the season.

[shapeshifter]

I rewatched 8, "Hello Darkness," right before watching this one and decided Oliver couldn't love Greek hummus that much if he wasn't Greek, and was sure the reveal in this episode would be that Oliver and Teddy were brothers.
But no?
So Oliver is Irish?
Big technical question:
How would Oliver now know Teddy was Will's father? Did Oliver get some of Teddy's DNA and get it tested? Can you even do that? 
I'm pretty sure those ancestry tests all require spitting into a tube -- or is that just for medical DNA tests?
I mean, Teddy wasn't the only living Greek in New York (apologies to Paul Simon for repurposing another song badly).

So Kreps is working a lot of extra jobs, including working for Cinda, who he is willing to go the extra mile for. 
Poppy makes Cinda sound evil, but that doesn't make her a killer. Yet. Just an evil boss/Master Mind.
 

11 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

For all of his flaws, I do think Teddy is sincere about thinking that he and Oliver are "even" now and truly wants Oliver to continue to have a great relationship with his son.  Credit to Lane to giving the character dimensions when he easily could have been a one-note antagonist.

We have seen Teddy turn into an angry dick in both seasons. And he'd not squeamish about dead (or dying?) bodies.  Teddy could have killed Bunny for the painting. Maybe accidentally on purpose. 

Shirley MacLaine as Rose Cooper as Bunny's mother was just pretending to be senile. Shirley and Rose both still got it. 🙂
I'm guessing that Bunny's mother did pose as Rose (naked) for the painting. 

[Irlandesa]

4 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

How would Oliver now know Teddy was Will's father? Did Oliver get some of Teddy's DNA and get it tested?

No but the Greek thing made Oliver start to think more about some of the interactions he picked up on between his ex and Teddy back in the day that took on a new level of suspicion now that he found out his wife likely cheated.  And in this episode, he said he went to talk to his ex-wife and she confessed they had been together briefly.

[Quilt Fairy]

6 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

How would Oliver now know Teddy was Will's father?

Oliver said he talked to Roberta, his ex-wife.

Did anyone else notice that Bunny was walking a chicken in the opening credits?

Edited August 16, 2022 by Quilt Fairy

[grandmabegum]

I was pretty sure that Will would be Teddy's son when it first came up. Figured it was true when he announced it by just walking in and telling Mabel and Charles and not having a typical Oliver style celebration with more pizazz.

Would love to get my hands on all the elevator security camera footage. Between Tim/Jan, Charles and now Oliver/Teddy, those lifts seem to be a voyeur's dream.

[GaT]

When Oliver said he was Greek, I didn't think anything of it because I've heard lots of people say things like "I thought I was Scottish all my life, but I had my DNA tested & it turns out I'm Japanese!". I thought it was was going to turn out that Oliver & Teddy were related, so the elevator scene really surprised me. 

29 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Not surprised that Krieps seems to only be a cog in the wheel, but I didn't predict that Cinda could actually be the criminal mastermind!  Sounds like it might be connected to her and Krieps faking the discovery in the first case she covered that made her famous.  Even Becky, the supposed victim in the story, is none other than Poppy.  I'm still wondering if Cinda is the actual killer or if there is going to be another swerve here (how would Bunny be connected to any of this?), but I can't wait to see how this all plays out in the finale.

That story has me totally confused. They faked a murder? Why would Becky Butler go along with her own fake murder? Cinda must have something on her, or must have promised her something in order to get her to go along with it, & then stay as her assistant. She obviously has Kreps convinced she's his woman (and maybe she is) which is why he's helping her. Was someone convicted of Becky's murder? Or is it an unsolved crime?

[AnimeMania]

This one is not really in the episode, probably an outtake from her gym entrance, but i like it.

I was kind of wavering between Cinda Canning and Nina's Baby's Daddy, but they never really gave us enough of either one to make a good decision or a viable choice for the killer. That is something they continue to do poorly, they never present us with a large number of viable murders and let us try to figure out who might be guilty. I hope they do better in the future.

We have no clue what happened, did Cinda Canning fake all of the evidence and put an "innocent person?" behind bars just to make a name for herself. OR is Poppy lying and is really behind the scenes manipulating everyone around her, including Cinda Canning.

[phalange]

Poor Oliver. Poor Will. Though I do think Will deserves to know the truth, I know Oliver is keeping it from him out of love. Oliver saying he's so Greek he could be Jennifer Aniston's stand-in and no one would help him if he went bankrupt had me rolling. Oliver always has the best lines. His fight with Teddy in the elevator was great too, and Howard just trying to stay out of the way.

So Leonora is actually Rose Cooper, as some people suspected. I guess this means Bunny knew about everything and that's why she said "fourteen" and "Savage." She wanted Charles to have the original painting because of the painting of him and his father that was actually underneath it. But that still raises some questions. If she knew the truth, why not just give Charles the painting? Why did she hide the painting in the birdcage? The painting was hanging up in Bunny's apartment until her death, but maybe the forgery was the one Bunny displayed the whole time and she always had the original hidden because she suspected someone was after it. The day Bunny died, she got a phone call and said "oh, it's you" and that she didn't want to talk about the painting. 

Mabel confronting Kreps in the boxing ring was great. He kept bragging about how smart he was, but ended up spilling a whole bunch of clues to Mabel. I hope she was recording all of that on her phone. I figured he was involved, but not that he and Cinda Canning knew each other from Cinda's other podcast/investigation. Poppy really being Becky Butler is a genuinely surprising twist. I didn't see that coming. It's all a bit confusing still. Kreps was planting evidence, but why? Did Cinda blackmail Becky/Poppy into faking her own death for some reason? And what does the Becky Butler case have to do with the painting? This episode answered a lot of questions but raised a whole bunch of new ones.

Edited August 16, 2022 by phalange

[PurpleTentacle]

Good twist in theory, but in practice Cinda has barely been in this season or the last, so this falls pretty flat. Had she been in a more prominent role, maybe even been a major antagonist, this would have been great, but how it is: meh.

[FGomez]

Caution. In this episode it seems that people say a lot of things, but they don't really say anything. We don't have Krebs stating that he is GG, or a flashback of GG taking off the mask. We don't have Kreps stating that Cinda is the mastermind. We don't have Poppy stating that she is afraid of Cinda, well we have a non-conclusive "yes" but it can be yes to that she is so afraid of somebody...

It is possible that all this is just as it seems, but it can end up being completely different.

[Kiddvideo]

Do cops hire themselves out to other departments? I’ve never heard of that. I know in small towns that county or state police will run investigations when the small town doesn’t have the resources or experience, but I’ve not heard of a situation where a town in OK (or wherever) will hire a cop from another jurisdiction on a case-by-case basis.

Poppy is Becky, but she can’t even get a meeting to discuss a promotion? And she isn’t blackmailing Cinda? Kreps must know she’s Becky. If she’s Becky.

What did Charles see in the painting that made him take his watch apart? I watched the scene a few time but couldn’t tell.

I loved the elevator scene because it rang true. Not that you have physical fights in elevators, but that your private moments are public. Crying on the subway, having your heart broken on the sidewalk where everyone sees and hears..It’s just another moment. I made a middle of the night trip to the emergency room, but I went in my bathrobe because in was 2:00am. When I left at 10:00am, I stood on the street and caught a cab in my bathrobe. No one blinked an eye, not even the cab driver.

[shapeshifter]

Why was the painting of Charles with his father underneath the "porno" painting?
Are we to assume Rose hid the painting of Charles and his father so her abusive ex would not destroy it?
And/or was it hidden from Charles' mother? 
There's nothing suggestive about the hidden painting, whereas the "porno" painting would have totally outed their affair.
And angry, murderous, jealous husband would have likely slashed through both paintings.
🤷‍♀️

Did Bunny even know there was another painting was underneath? (Probably not.)
Maybe Rose gave instructions for the painting to go to Charles at some point, but that's no guarantee the painting underneath would be discovered——which is likely why Rose appeared on the scene after Bunny's demise.

Did Charles' father go to prison for the presumed death of Rose so she could disappear? 

We still don't know whether Bunny's murder had something to do with the painting, and if so, was it the monetary value of the painting, or was it because of the painting's subject?

Edited August 16, 2022 by shapeshifter

[sjankis630]

1 hour ago, Kiddvideo said:

What did Charles see in the painting that made him take his watch apart? I watched the scene a few time but couldn’t tell.

I thought he saw the same watch being worn by the guy in the painting as the one he was wearing. It was a bit of a stretch to be honest. He just happened to look closer and his watch just happened to have the address all of these years?

[cardigirl]

15 minutes ago, sjankis630 said:

I thought he saw the same watch being worn by the guy in the painting as the one he was wearing. It was a bit of a stretch to be honest. He just happened to look closer and his watch just happened to have the address all of these years?

It's his father's watch. Charles said he had it in one of the earlier episodes. It's his father in the painting too. So maybe looking at the painting and seeing the detail of the watch in it, he thought there might be a clue in his father's watch. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by cardigirl

[paigow]

3 hours ago, cardigirl said:

It's his father's watch.

Bunny knew the original painting was under the birdcage... why did she bequeath it to Oliver???

ETA: Glad that his watch does not have a backstory like this one...

Edited August 16, 2022 by paigow

[tennisgurl]

I think Oliver summed that up pretty well. "Well shit". Cinda has been a big reoccurring element of the show all season, but I thought that she was just a secondary antagonist not someone we should be looking at as a murderer...which should have made me suspect her right away. I really like that they are tying this back into the podcast that brought the trio together in the first place, a lot of the loose ends are being tied up. They also foreshadowed the idea of Becky faking her own death with the confirmation that Rose fakes her own death, very sneaky show. 

Poor Oliver, I guessed that he was lying about who Will's father was, I can understand why he wants to keep it hidden. Oliver and Teddy's elevator fight was freaking hysterical, especially Howard as an unwilling bystander. "Be safe!" Its weird, but I do think that Teddy is sincere when he said that he thinks he and Oliver are even, they do have a lot of history together and while Oliver sent Teddy to prison (justifiably so) Teddy banged his wife, so here we are. Also, what's worse than dragging your son into your criminal enterprise and  covering up his involvement in a mysterious death, leading to possible jail time? Getting your son involved in...theater. 

I still don't trust Alice, but I liked their scene together a lot. So much of Mabel's life really has been defined by the worst parts of it, I am glad to see her trying to put that behind her, as much as its possible. 

It must mean a lot to Charles finding out that, while his dad wasn't a great guy, he wasn't a monster. Shirley MacLaine is so great to have around. 

I cracked up at the random conversation Mabel and Charles had about how weird chickens look. "Who was the first person to look at that and say "that looks delicious""? 

[sjankis630]

I felt just the slightest bit underwhelmed. I had completely forgotten about the original Podcast that Cinda was doing that got all of the trio together in the first place. It didn't really get me excited in any way as I always kind of looked at that podcast as completely secondary. I guess the fact that this may reveal that Cinda does anything and everything to get her "stories" to be exciting is a new twist but kind of meh for me.

I do want to know how the murder went down, the timeframe and what Lucy has to do with all of this though.

[Kiddvideo]

9 minutes ago, sjankis630 said:

I felt just the slightest bit underwhelmed. I had completely forgotten about the original Podcast that Cinda was doing that got all of the trio together in the first place. It didn't really get me excited in any way as I always kind of looked at that podcast as completely secondary. I guess the fact that this may reveal that Cinda does anything and everything to get her "stories" to be exciting is a new twist but kind of meh for me.

I do want to know how the murder went down, the timeframe and what Lucy has to do with all of this though.

Next week’s episode is 37 minutes long. They’ve got a lot to wrap up in 37 minutes.

[MollyB]

10 hours ago, GaT said:

Why would Becky Butler go along with her own fake murder?

My theory is that Becky Butler was running away from someone, possibly an abusive situation.  When she went missing there was national coverage and Cinda went to OK to cover the investigation.  It got bigger and bigger, (Kreps and others came in as visiting investigators) and Becky may have contacted Cinda to warn her there was really no case.  Cinda didn't want the case to be over so she threatened Becky with the consequences of her deception.  (A person can be held financially responsible for the cost of the investigation/search for a missing person and can also be criminally charged.)  Then Cinda gives her a job, new identity (probably a makeover) and Stockholms her into being her assistant/slave on the chance that she (Poppy) will someday be another Cinda.

Cinda used Kreps to plant evidence that she obtained from Becky/Poppy to keep the story going.  Kreps was easily led-he says several times that Bunny's murder was going to be his big case.  Cinda used him for that case just as she used him in OK to get the match book evidence.

Just a theory, folks.

I'm too lazy to go back and check, but wasn't the chicken franchise the people who bought Cinda and her show?

[paigow]

23 minutes ago, Kiddvideo said:

Next week’s episode is 37 minutes long. They’ve got a lot to wrap up in 37 minutes.

Hyper Oliver speed talking all the exposition / theories should save a few minutes...

[MollyB]

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Did Charles' father go to prison for the presumed death of Rose so she could disappear? 

I was confused at the scene with Charles' dad being hauled away by the cops.  His shirt was torn and there was blood on it so I figured that he had something to do with Rose's death/disappearance.  When asked about his father by Rose, Charles doesn't say he died in prison.  So now I think there was a fight with Rose's abusive husband and that's why Dad was arrested.

[grandmabegum]

Rewatching at the moment, some of these points, I have made/heard elsewhere:

Did Will know Oliver was lying? If so, what's Oliver's tell?

Poppy being one of the bodies that are buried leads me to think that Alice is another of the bodies. Maybe Alice was under Cinda's thumb just like Poppy and the puzzle with the OK poster was to send Mabel in the right direction.

Fiona Apple's "Criminal" is a great song. I think cinda/Poppy are the "bad, bad girl" who's been careless with a delicate man, Kreps.

To be continued...

[FGomez]

48 minutes ago, MollyB said:

I'm too lazy to go back and check, but wasn't the chicken franchise the people who bought Cinda and her show?

The chicken bar should play some role in the whole story. You don't go to take a beer at a random bar in Oklahoma and, two years later, go around New York with merchandising from that bar. I go every day to the same bar and only get a pen for Christmas.

[Sarahsmile416]

1 hour ago, grandmabegum said:

Rewatching at the moment, some of these points, I have made/heard elsewhere:

Did Will know Oliver was lying? If so, what's Oliver's tell?

Poppy being one of the bodies that are buried leads me to think that Alice is another of the bodies. Maybe Alice was under Cinda's thumb just like Poppy and the puzzle with the OK poster was to send Mabel in the right direction.

Fiona Apple's "Criminal" is a great song. I think cinda/Poppy are the "bad, bad girl" who's been careless with a delicate man, Kreps.

To be continued...

I was thinking that since Rose mentioned that she had an abusive husband that maybe Charles’ dad went to jail for killing/beating him up or something to that effect.  🤷🏼‍♀️

Edited August 16, 2022 by Sarahsmile416
Quoted wrong person, sorry!

[AnimeMania]

Maybe Cinda manipulated the situation after figuring out that Becky/Poppy was not dead, but faked her death. Cinda found an easily manipulated cop to plant fake evidence, provided by the very much alive Becky, at the police station and the crime scene to make the story fit whatever narrative was best for the podcast and made Cinda seem like a brilliant investigator. Cinda is threatening to tell the world how Poppy faked her death if she doesn't go along with everything. All the "Chicken" Merch was provided by Cinda's sponsor and she probably sells it on her website. Either that or Poppy is the "Criminal Mastermind" and Cinda doesn't realize that Poppy is Becky and maybe Kreps in working directly for Poppy.

There is nothing to suggest that Kreps has been in New York for a long time. Maybe he was a Detective in Oklahoma where he helped with the Becky Butler case and moved to New York to be closer to Cinda and work for her podcast. Maybe the notoriety of the Becky Butler case helped him get a job in New York and he is hoping that the notoriety of the Bunny Folger case will make is career. 

[Athena5217]

1 hour ago, FGomez said:

The chicken bar should play some role in the whole story. You don't go to take a beer at a random bar in Oklahoma and, two years later, go around New York with merchandising from that bar. I go every day to the same bar and only get a pen for Christmas.

Maybe he was at the bar when they were having an event where they gave away stuff. I’ve gotten towels and glasses from bars before because I happened to go during some promotion. His stuff looks new though.

[cardigirl]

21 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

There is nothing to suggest that Kreps has been in New York for a long time. Maybe he was a Detective in Oklahoma where he helped with the Becky Butler case and moved to New York to be closer to Cinda and work for her podcast. Maybe the notoriety of the Becky Butler case helped him get a job in New York and he is hoping that the notoriety of the Bunny Folger case will make is career. 

Except his way of talking, his demeanor, his swagger all suggest New York to me. 

[paigow]

25 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

There is nothing to suggest that Kreps has been in New York for a long time. Maybe he was a Detective in Oklahoma where he helped with the Becky Butler case and moved to New York

His VoiceOver made it clear that he was always a big-city cop chasing backwater town cases for extra cash...

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, paigow said:

His VoiceOver made it clear that he was always a big-city cop chasing backwater town cases for extra cash...

There are relatively "Big Cities" in every State in America.

[Zaffy]

"I am Greekish, I will bankrupt and nobody will help me".
As a  Greek I can say this is so true!

Great episode. And I loved Shirley.

[Lugal]

A lot to chew on here.  Poppy being Becky could be a bunch of scenarios:  Becky was fleeing a bad situation and disappeared/faked her death and Cinda was able to figure it out (with Kreps help) and now she keeps Becky/Poppy under her thumb because of it.  OR Becky disappeared without a trace and Cinda used Poppy to supply fake evidence (like the hair sample) to make the podcast more interesting and now blackmails Poppy because of it.  So it wasn't just Stockholm Syndrome for Poppy but real fear of what Cinda could do to her.

This would explain how Cinda happened to be outside the building when Bunny was murdered.  It gave her the subject of her latest podcast, gets rid of the competition and Kreps gets a big career-defining murder investigation.  It doesn't prove Cinda did it (or had someone else do it), but it is a strong motive.  However, Kreps is an idiot, and I think Cinda is using him and will throw him under the bus if it's more convenient for her.  I love how Mabel got him to reveal all these clues without him even realizing it.  Not sure why Kreps called and told them to get out of the building, unless that was part of the police ambush which presumably would have happened even if Mabel hadn't gone to her apartment to get more wine because the cops would still have found Bunny stabbed with Mabel's knitting needle even if they all stayed on the roof.

Big Bunny being the real Rose Cooper theory was right, although not quite how I saw it.  Seems like she and Charles' father really loved each other, but it was a bad situation.  Not sure how the art connects to the murder, or even if.  And always good to see Shirley MacLaine again.

Alice, I'm not sure about her part either.  She may have been a big red herring all along.

Oliver and Teddy's elevator fight, Epic! And Howard as the witness.  I can understand keeping it a secret from Will.  Oliver being Will's father is the result everyone wanted so that's what it will be, truth be damned.  I can't blame them for going with that.  Despite everything, I want to see Teddy and Theo patch things up now.

16 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

How would Oliver now know Teddy was Will's father? Did Oliver get some of Teddy's DNA and get it tested? Can you even do that? 
I'm pretty sure those ancestry tests all require spitting into a tube -- or is that just for medical DNA tests?

Most DNA tests are cheek swabs.  The fact that Will's came back Greek, while Oliver is Irish was enough for Oliver to test his own against Will's.  The test results would have said whether Oliver was or was not Wills' father and presumably said he wasn't.  Then Oliver thought about any Greek men in his social circle who would have had access to his wife, and Teddy was the obvious answer.  Ironically in real life, Martin Short and Nathan Lane are both of Irish descent.

[sistermagpie]

2 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

There are relatively "Big Cities" in every State in America.

And they have their own accents--Michael Rapaport's is New York.

[kay1864]

Dang I’m confused. Was Kreps burying (and then discovering?) a hair sample in the dirt? That he took from the evidence locker from… a woman who wasn’t dead?

[Blue Plastic]

The "reveal" at the end was kind of a letdown for me.  I don't really get it and don't really care much about Cinda.  It's also just kind of confusing.

The elevator fight was the best part of this episode.  But what about Teddy saying in an earlier episode that he was going to screw Oliver over, basically?  Supposedly he didn't know that he was Will's father, so that's not what he was talking about.

Oliver didn't deliver the news that he was Will's biological father with as much exuberance as he would have if it were true, so I figured something was up.

[Phebemarie]

Why did Kreps keep mentioning you could meet a woman or a man, whatever you like, in the bar where he was hanging out?  We saw Cinda in that gotcha moment, but I kept wondering if the waiter at the restaurant might be someone who could fit into that little voice-over description.  

[AnimeMania]

41 minutes ago, Phebemarie said:

Why did Kreps keep mentioning you could meet a woman or a man, whatever you like, in the bar where he was hanging out?  We saw Cinda in that gotcha moment, but I kept wondering if the waiter at the restaurant might be someone who could fit into that little voice-over description.  

A say it is 50-50 Cinda or Poppy.

[shapeshifter]

3 hours ago, Lugal said:

Not sure why Kreps called and told them to get out of the building,

Maybe Cinda had Kreps call them to get out of the building for a sort of gotch photo-op? 
I dunno. No podcasts I listen to have visuals.
Maybe Kreps wanted them out so Mabel would be found alone with bloody Bunny?

 

Am I still the only one who thinks Theo looks a lot more like Oliver than Teddy?

[secnarf]

I thought Oliver was reasonably convincing while telling Charles that he is Greek, but knew when Oliver was telling Will that he was lying through his teeth. Excellent job by Martin Short in that scene.

I loved Oliver and Teddy, but I didn’t think it was super smart of Oliver to tell Teddy this information that he is keeping from Will when Teddy has already vowed to get revenge. But I guess they do have a 40+ year history as friends, if the flashbacks from the 70s are any indication.

Well, I was sort of right that Leonora was Rose Cooper…the person we were told was Leonora was Rose Cooper! I do enjoy the character but I am still a bit confused about what exactly happened to Charles' father.

As if “brown hair and glasses” was enough to get Charles to “Cinda Canning”. Could have been Poppy or any number of other women with brown hair and glasses (myself included!) But I'm not clear as to what exactly they would want with the painting.

[Kiddvideo]

I kinda hope the bird knows who did it but it’s answer is “Jan” because Bunny had figured out who did it in Season 1 and kept repeating the answer as she was listening to the podcast. ”I know who did it. It’s Jan you *expletives.*

[Arynm]

My take on the watch thing was that in a painting of two mostly nude people for him to be wearing a watch stands out a bit which is why Charles investigated the watch a bit more.

I must also say that the description of the painting by Bunny's friend and neighbor as "very balls forward" is my most favorite description of anything ever and I will be using it for anything I need a descriptor for, no matter what. My favorite cheese dip? The newest season of Stranger Things?  Very balls forward. See! It works for anything.

As far as the Cinda Canning thing. She is awful so I wouldn't put anything past her, but faking a murder and framing someone for it is evil. Let's see how this really plays out.