S02.E17: Who's Calling Who a Fraud?

[TexasGal]

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The ride to Zion has the women on edge as Jen and Lisa face off over her refusal to choose sides between Jen and Meredith. Whitney aims to reunite the group with some spiritual healing, but her efforts quickly go to waste when tempers flare at the white dinner. Meredith’s integrity is called into question, and Jen finally gets a chance to ask for the truth.

 

Airdate: 01/16/2022

[Keywestclubkid]

Jen girl they were investigating you for YEARS … that had nothing to do with any of the other ladies… 

[Chicklet]

But that doesn't make for FASCINATING TV yanno? Nobody to scream at, nobody to hate. Boring. 

What is she drinking in that bottle anyway?

Kevin should run for his life and quit driving that van.

[Keywestclubkid]

She’s licking Mary’s ass

[Chicklet]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She’s licking Mary’s ass

These woman are just so...genteel.

[FlyingEgret]

Jen is delusional if she thinks her legal troubles were based solely on evidence created by Meredith and Mary. 

I guess she hasn't had time for self-reflection but I predict her schedule will soon open up... 

[nexxie]

Good grief - Jen, Meredith and Mary are making Lisa look like a good guy.

[gatopretoNYC]

"I don't think I brought enough crystals for this shit." 😄

[Keywestclubkid]

Bye girl…. Lol 

[Chicklet]

Watch Mary explode after she finds out they left her lol.  I want to see that.

[Keywestclubkid]

Mary is so fucking disrespectful… you freak out over not picking up a phone but think it’s ok to blow off an event because you just don’t care. 

[nexxie]

When do we get to see Mary’s god smite her?

[Chicklet]

This is giving me a headache.

Aren't we supposed to see something "shocking"?

[Keywestclubkid]

Wait I’m confused what are we fighting about exactly? It keeps shifting 

[FlyingEgret]

I wonder if the women will go rock climbing while they are in Zion

I was being sarcastic but in the previews it looks like they actually do - wow!

Edited January 17, 2022 by FlyingEgret
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[Chicklet]

I have lost the point here. I'm not sure they even know what the point is.

[Keywestclubkid]

That’s a friend right there you leave a table upset and your friend has to be bribed away from her steak to go check on you LOL 

[TexasGal]

For the first time, on the bus ride, I actually liked Jennie.  Her super minimal attempts to keep Jen and Lisa apart.  And then her talking head about taking off her earrings.. 😆

[Keywestclubkid]

Oh sweetie you have no idea what I know! 

[Chicklet]

Well that was fun.

[TexasGal]

OMG, the faces on the non-Jen/Mary/Meredith side of the table after the big blow up.  Heeeeeee-larious.  

Jen really needs to just calm the eff down.  I didn’t think anyone could be more of a PR disaster in the face of criminal issues than BH Erika, but Jen is the clear winner on that now for me. 

[MerBearStare]

This episode wasn't fun to watch at all. Jen and Mary are the fucking worst and not in a fun way. They're both unhinged and dangerous (in different ways). They seriously need to get rid of those two.

[Marley]

I wish Jen would shut the fuck up. The screaming is so annoying and I didn’t even know what they were fighting about anymore. Someone who just got arrested should not be trying to fight someone lol. If she thinks she was only arrested because Meredith and Mary she is delusional. There is evidence. Jen just because you keep screaming that there’s nothing on you doesn’t make it true lol.

Somehow I felt bad for Lisa on the bus.

Jen and Mary should be let go. They only bring the show down.

[charming]

It's frustrating watching Heather, Whitney, Lisa and Jennie just shrink in fear of Jen. Why they indulge her tantrums I'll never understand. Good for Meredith standing her ground and getting some jabs in. If me and my kid receive threatening messages you bet your ass I'm going to investigate where the danger is coming from. 

In all of the articles about Jen's arrest it was clear the feds had been investigating Jen for years and had already indicted over a dozen others in the scam. It was not something Mary or Meredith were involved with. 

Whitney is trying really hard to pull Meredith over to the anti-Mary gang so Mary will be completely isolated. 

[Straycat80]

 Not even sure what these women are fighting about most of the time. It’s just psycho screaming and Jen crying about her life, her kids…what about all the victims she ripped off. And then she tries to physically attack Lisa and no one does anything about it. 
The spiritual thing was a waste. Nobody learned anything. 
I hope Mary is not on the show after this season, she doesn’t want to participate in anything. And she’s just as much of a criminal as Jen is IMO. And I don’t understand why the other women even want Jen and Mary as friends since they are both awful people and treat them like crap. 

[StillHere]

I'm really surprised these women allowed a lightweight like Whitney to produce them like that.

If I was sitting at that table, I would have shut that helium-voiced twit down.

Edited January 17, 2022 by StillHere

[Marley]

I don’t like Meredith because she’s obsessed with Mary but I do kind of like her for actually giving it back to Jen. If someone got in my face like Jen does to ppl I don’t know if I could handle it I’d wanna smash her so bad lol.

[Cheezwiz]

I've completely lost the plot. Why are these women so intent on continuing to coddle a screaming psychopath like Jen? Give her the best room? Why? I don't care for Meredith (especially since she's grafted  herself to Mary), but it was satisfying seeing her give as good as she got from Jen. I did giggle that fashionably late Meredith got the room with no closet  in which to unpack her 10 suitcases. 

Both Jen & Mary are total unhinged grifting nut-bags and need to go.

Poor Bettina. There is not enough sage and drumming in the world for this crew.

[SemiCharmedLife]

What a yell-fest.  I think a few of these ladies (Jen, Whitney) need to lay off the alcohol for a bit.  Maybe they would make a bit more sense.  But, that is being optimistic.

[BloggerAloud]

I think not acknowledging that these women are on a TV show together is creating some truly bizarre storylines. Like this idea that Mary and Meredith weren't on that bus indicates that they knew something was up because only the women and their family knew about the trip is so dumb because lots of people would have to know about the trip with all the cast, crew, the places that you were going to be filming at because you'd have to get permission and whatnot.

It's also so wild to watch a group of women have a collective abusive relationship with Jen. Like she gets drunk, yells and gets physical and is punished by (check notes) getting the best room? I will give them a smidge of credit that they are more confrontational with Jen than their RHOBH counterparts were with Erika but that's not saying much. You'd think that someone would be savvy enough to know which ways the winds were blowing and know that being anti-Jen is the way to go. Meredith is almost there but she also doesn't want to engage, which does not work on a reality show.

[pasdetrois]

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The spiritual thing was a waste.

And seriously incorrect. "Red represents indigenous women."

Actually, no one color represents indigenous women. They are not sports teams. However, red bandanas, scarves, etc.  currently represent missing and murdered indigenous women. https://mmiwusa.org/  Shawls of any color are very personal choices, often labored over, and usually worn at powwow dances. Betina's cultural appropriation annoys me.

I didn't see all of the episode. Who was the woman on the bus who yanked Jen around? Production? Security?

As I expected, I'm pretty sure the allegiances to Mary and Jen are to keep them on the show as long as possible and the ratings up. Disgusting.

 

 

[Keywestclubkid]

I mean making your mother cash in her retirement to pay for your legal fees but still have money to pay for a "glam" squad .... Girl I just shook my head

[SweetieDarling]

I'm so confused.

Jen is mad a Meredith, because Brooks complained when he saw her "vagina" and made a thing about it

Meredith is mad at Jen for going after Brooks on social media, because he said he saw her vagina, and allegedly threatening her family (with what? I don't know)

Jen is mad at Meredith for hiring a private investigator to investigate the alleged social media threats her.

Jen is mad at Lisa for remaining friends with Meredith, because of the private investigator who she believes was hired to dig up the evidence that caused Homeland Security, the NYPD, and other legal authorities to arrest her. 

Lisa is mad at Jen for giving her an ultimatum: be friends with Meredith or be friends with Jen, but not both.

Lisa is annoyed with Meredith for not acknowledging that it appears there's something fishy going on with Mary's church, and for sticking by her side (has anyone figured out why she's so loyal to Mary? Is it because Mary and Jen hate each other from last season?)

Lisa, Heather, and Whitney all believe there is something very cult-like about Mary's church (Jen doesn't care because it's not about her)

Heather and Whitney seem to believe the allegation that Meredith hired the investigator to throw Jen under the bus

Heather and Whitney don't like Lisa because she's pretentious and obnoxious and acts as if she's better than they are. 

Mary is still mad at Whitney for not answering the phone while she was driving carpool, nor returning the call. Apparently, a sin dealt with by shunning, as she can no longer be bothered to deal with Whitney on any level.

Whitney is annoyed with Mary and Meredith for disrespecting her efforts to plan an aura/chakra cleansing event.

 

I think that's what went down in this episode. I'm sure I missed a conflict.

My brain hurts.

 

Not sure why Jennie is on the show.

 

 

[For Cereals]

34 minutes ago, BloggerAloud said:

Meredith is almost there but she also doesn't want to engage, which does not work on a reality show.

I’m so tired of Meredith disengaging.  Stay and be part of the show.

[BloggerAloud]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I mean making your mother cash in her retirement to pay for your legal fees but still have money to pay for a "glam" squad .... Girl I just shook my head

I don't for a second believe that Jen's mother actually did that. I wouldn't be surprised if it's something they just said on camera to garner sympathy from the public.

[Mr. Miner]

What kind of sick individual would be a member of Mary’s “church”? Or be her friend?

[charliesan]

1 hour ago, SweetieDarling said:

Heather and Whitney don't like Lisa because she's pretentious and obnoxious and acts as if she's better than they are.

I mean, she is pretentious and obnoxious but I'm 100% over their beef with her, it seems every chance they get to complain about her, they take it, and it's especially annoying when they keep defending Jen. 

Also, I get that they're targeting Meredith and Mary for bailing on the trip, but to say that they had something to do with Jen's arrest is foolish at best, do they think the FBI need M&M for info? I know Bad Weather (such a dumb nickname but I love it) are trying to stir the pot but this narrative is making them look stupid. 

1 hour ago, For Cereals said:

I’m so tired of Meredith disengaging.  Stay and be part of the show.

While I think this whole fight with her is stupid, she should not think it's stupid, she is part of the cast and she needs to engage, I agree. Both Jen and Meredith should just leave (but I guess at least Jen is not leaving, correct?)

[Saph]

If Lisa & Meredith were such "besties" for the past 10 years, then why wasn't Lisa the one to go after Meredith after she "disengaged," rather than Mary? It would have been an opportunity for Lisa & Meredith to make amends with each other & only reinforces how FAKE this show is. 🙄

[ichbin]

2 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Not sure why Jennie is on the show.

I'll take a swing here and suggest it has to do with Bravo wanting to maintain a diverse cast and discovering that the two non-white original cast members also happen to have some, ahem, personal issues of concern.  Mary was already showing herself to not be a team player in the first season.  I have to guess that the authorities might have given production a hint that all was not right in Jen's world while digging up evidence and information needed for their case.  Proactive casting perhaps in anticipation of absences or departures.

Actually, with the exception of the sister wife story (and I have serious doubts as to the authenticity of that), Jennie seems more normal than most of the rest. She makes some astute comments in the moment too, and not only in her talking heads like some of the others with the benefit of time to plan their statements.  Meredith is not doing herself any favors this season between the loyalty to Mary and her OTT fashion choices.  Mary has been revealing more and more nasty and negative personality traits in addition to the questions regarding her church.  Jen is as volatile as she was last season and I can only guess that her actions overall must be driving her legal team batty.  Heather also not doing herself favors with her loyalty to Jen.  Lisa seems to be losing the control over her persona that she appeared to have in season one. Whitney has actually shown more substance than in the first season.  

 

[ichbin]

3 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I mean making your mother cash in her retirement to pay for your legal fees but still have money to pay for a "glam" squad ....

Thank you!  Yes, that was disgusting.  Actually, her entire performance during the pool scene when she mentioned her "glam" was pretty bad.  Like a hyperactive six year old.  

[princelina]

3 hours ago, For Cereals said:

I’m so tired of Meredith disengaging.  Stay and be part of the show.

IMO it's a total loser move to stomp off and then return 5 minutes later.  If you're actually leaving - go to bed.

46 minutes ago, ichbin said:

Actually, with the exception of the sister wife story (and I have serious doubts as to the authenticity of that), Jennie seems more normal than most of the rest. She makes some astute comments in the moment too, and not only in her talking heads like some of the others with the benefit of time to plan their statements.  

I like Jennie overall - her problem is she's a little too aware she's on tv.  From the sister-wife story, to when she angrily bursts into arguments she's not involved in, even to winding up her precocious little daughter.  That's when she gets on my nerves 😄

[bosawks]

I can’t tell if I think Meredith is a great advertisement for Xanax or a terrible advertisement for Xanax….

[tvfanatic13]

I HATE wet hair (off the head) so I would have thrown up right then and there if Jen threw her wet weave at me. 🤮

[nexxie]

Loved Heather’s comment about being willing to chant anything around the caldron if it would get her out of the sprinter van! She comes up with some great quips.

[bichonblitz]

Meredith, honey. The reason you are continually invited to events with Jen being present even though you requested that you not be invited to events including Jen is because you have a contract and are required to attend. So stop pouting when you see your nemesis sitting across from the table from you. You know damn good and well she will be there. 

[65mickey]

4 hours ago, princelina said:

8 hours ago, For Cereals said:

 

IMO it's a total loser move to stomp off and then return 5 minutes later.  If you're actually leaving - go to bed

I know. How many times have we heard a housewife say "I'm done"? They storm off and within minutes they are right back in fighting and screaming so tiring. If you're done be done. 

[JenE4]

Shanae the producer wanted a fight, but Jen took it too far. Shanae doesn’t get paid enough to be security, too. I can totally understand Heather saying she’ll do whatever it takes to join Mary and Meredith’s alliance/coven the next time a bus trip is on the books just to fly with them instead.

“JB Husband Boss.” Really, Lisa? These are the labels you put in your phone to help you remember that you’re married to and work with John? Lisa was a Hooters girl!

Jennie can’t swim and has no intention of learning how now. But her immediate reaction to seeing Jen tumble off the huge-ass float is to climb on it herself. These girls are ready to drown themselves rather than deal with the impending fallout of when Mary and Meredith arrive. This energy healer is going to have their work cut out for them. Mary was gleeful over the fight and wished she saw it! Well, her wish is about to come true, because Jen is looking for “those two bitches” presumably to attack them next! Wait, Mary was just on the other side of Meredith’s room but Whitney didn’t have time to tell her she had to go do they’re just leaving her?! Lol.

They all pledge to let go of their drama with each other. Let’s see how that works out for them. They probably should have went to the labyrinth in The Shining for that; this little spiral isn’t going to cut it.

Wow. They made the right call leaving Mary behind. This is some bullshit right here.

Jen puts her snake outfit on in preparation for spewing venom. Uh oh, someone keep an eye on Jen that she’s not going to grab a weapon. Oh, nevermind. She’s just sticking her hands into the trays of rice and offering to help cook.

I didn’t have the PI investigate you, I gave him all of your names to investigate. I’m not sure that’s better, Mer. Jen’s not doing any better with I would never threaten your family while literally threatening Meredith. Jen makes the mistake of using the word “fraud” but tries to pivot away by bringing up Meredith’s “10 mother (bleep)ing boyfriends.” If only they got to the fire ceremony earlier, perhaps all of this could have been avoided.

[JenE4]

1 hour ago, 65mickey said:

I know. How many times have we heard a housewife say "I'm done"? They storm off and within minutes they are right back in fighting and screaming so tiring. If you're done be done. 

When it comes to “fight or flight,” I am also a “flight” person. If someone is yelling at me, I will try to disengage and get away until everyone can calm down and we can have a normal conversation. I guess the “flight” reaction doesn’t bode well for reality Tv, and producers need to force these people to get back in there and voice their side whether or not they feel comfortable doing so.

[Chatty Cake]

All that screaming was totally unnecessary. 
 Meredith and her disengaging. I won’t be surprised if she comes out with a line of disengagement rings or something equally stupid.  

[nexxie]

12 hours ago, JenE4 said:

When it comes to “fight or flight,” I am also a “flight” person. If someone is yelling at me, I will try to disengage and get away until everyone can calm down and we can have a normal conversation. I guess the “flight” reaction doesn’t bode well for reality Tv, and producers need to force these people to get back in there and voice their side whether or not they feel comfortable doing so.

Yours is the healthy way to respond to narcissistic rage. People like Jen feed off the shock, dismay, fear, any reaction that shows they have power. imo Bravo has gone too far - hiring garden variety narcissists to bring the drama is one thing; hiring people with full-blown npd is another.

Edited January 18, 2022 by nexxie