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roamyn

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1 minute ago, AimingforYoko said:

OSU vs Michigan cancelled.

OSU ineligible for Big10 championship.

Or maybe not, who knows?

MF Xichigan.   Grrrrrr.   Then again is any championship really worth it this year?  By not being able to play inter division ball, any team that wins, should really have an asterisk next to it.

My biggest issue is Justin Fields will be gone next year.  I don’t know much abt our other QBs.

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NUguy514
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He is applying for the religious exemption based on his "devout" Catholic faith, so he actually is exactly defining himself through his Catholic faith in this instance.  Nothing about Catholicism is a

Popples
Popples

On one hand, I have a lifelong loathing of Notre Dame and I hate seeing them win. On the other hand, Dabo Swinney has shown himself to be an insufferable, holier-than-thou ass-mongrel. OMG,

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doodlebug

doodlebug

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Just coming here to post that. Shocked, I tell you. 🙄

What else could they do?  OSU is #4 in the country.  The only other team in the Big 10 East with a winning record is #12 Indiana at 6-1 and they've already played and lost to OSU.  Indiana has canceled its game on Saturday due to COVID.   The Big 10 and all of college football, really, screwed up royally when they decided to play the season in the first place.  They should've realized that this outcome was very likely.

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doodlebug

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1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It just reeks of privilege. I wouldn't complain that much if they bent the rules for Indiana. But I would still complain. 🙂

Yeah, it does look bad.  I'm a two time graduate and huge fan of THE Ohio State University.  Personally, I was hoping they'd stick to their guns and cancel the entire season as they'd planned originally.  The thing is, OSU is likely to be invited to the BCS and, while Indiana has had a terrific season, they are not getting a BCS invite.  It would also look bad for OSU to not play for the Big 10 title but still go to the BCS.  Or be dropped from the BCS because they didn't play in the league championship.

Irlandesa

Irlandesa

57 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It just reeks of privilege. I wouldn't complain that much if they bent the rules for Indiana. But I would still complain. 🙂

I get it but it was a stupid rule to begin with.  It's one thing if your games are cancelled because of COVID on your own team.  I can see making sure the rules applied.  But they had to know it's likely at least some of the teams that wouldn't make the cut would be because of other team's COVID issues.  They should have had a contingency plan.

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

8 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I get it but it was a stupid rule to begin with.  It's one thing if your games are cancelled because of COVID on your own team.  I can see making sure the rules applied.  But they had to know it's likely at least some of the teams that wouldn't make the cut would be because of other team's COVID issues.  They should have had a contingency plan.

Like the PAC 12, they started too late so it was nearly impossible to build in contingency plans.

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Court

Court

Go ahead and and flip those records between Indiana and Ohio State. There's no way they would be waiving the rule for Indiana. They would let Ohio State play. 

7 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

It just reeks of privilege. I wouldn't complain that much if they bent the rules for Indiana. But I would still complain. 🙂

Ah but they wouldn't bend the rules for Indiana. 😉

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Carey

Carey

Something to think of: On the subject of contingency plans, I wonder if the CFB Playoff has one.  I think they definitely do.  For instance: who to choose for their Top 4.  There is a possibility that Florida and or Clemson (the latter more realistic) jump Ohio State with a win.  Florida probably has to blow out Alabama, while Clemson really doesn't have to blow out Notre Dame.  However, if they actually kill ND, I could see the Irish missing out entirely.

I'll be honest: I totally don't have a problem with OSU getting the legacy call here.  I guess it's due to the fact that I didn't see a scenario on Planet Earth where TPTB would've said, "Sorry, Buckeyes. Life's not fair, move the hell on."

One thing I might have an issue with is the committee, especially its chair say "No thanks" to programs like Cincinnati, Central Florida, Boise State, etc. When it comes to meaningful postseason.  That added to the fact that they're never going to say, "We will never, ever, put you in the BCS or College Football Playoff, period!"

There was a wish that they would expand the playoff for this year only, and when that failed, you had a chance to get a Group of Five in.  Then the Big 10 and Pac 12 changed their minds.  Really, nothing to lose sleep over.  They were going to put in a 2-loss SEC team or a lousy, lucky one-loss non-traditional powerhouse before a Cincy or BYU before they lost

doodlebug

doodlebug

11 hours ago, Court said:

Go ahead and and flip those records between Indiana and Ohio State. There's no way they would be waiving the rule for Indiana. They would let Ohio State play. 

Ah but they wouldn't bend the rules for Indiana. 😉

Unless it was for the basketball team.  Then, Indiana would get the nod and OSU would be SOL.

NUguy514

NUguy514

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

Unless it was for the basketball team.  Then, Indiana would get the nod and OSU would be SOL.

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Indiana hasn't been a true basketball powerhouse in a while; more importantly, though, basketball is a totally different sport with a totally different playoff structure that does not lend itself to this type of exceptionalism.

In football, though, @Court is right: the rules would never be bent like this for Indiana (or Purdue or Minnesota or Northwestern or Illinois, etc.), but they will be bent for OSU every. single. time.  And I'm not even sure I don't think they should be bent this crazy, fucked-up year (and I say that as someone who, just like every other non-OSU-affiliated college football fan inside and outside the B1G, hates OSU passionately) when they never should've had a season to begin with, but let's not pretend that any exceptions would be made for any other school in the B1G.

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roamyn

roamyn

On 12/9/2020 at 4:01 PM, emmawoodhouse said:

It just reeks of privilege. I wouldn't complain that much if they bent the rules for Indiana. But I would still complain. 🙂

Most likely IU wouldn’t be able to play in the Championship next Sat, due to COVID issues.  So you want to give your best team the best chance of making the CFP.  Any conference would.  So it makes sense that they change that rule.  Whether to accommodate tOSU or any other Team.

DrSpaceman73

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I'm an indiana fan and alum and don't have a big problem with what the big ten did.  

But I also agree if it was indiana 5-0 and ohio state 6-1, no way they put indiana in the title game.  They'd stick to the 'rules'

They had this 'rule' in place  to keep the 'wtong team's out of the title game, meaning anyone but ohio state for their division in case a controversial situation arose. And then they just ignored it when that rule backfired on them. 

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NUguy514

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20 hours ago, xaxat said:

It's not just the name, it's the money. If Indiana had defeated Ohio State earlier this year and had a path to the playoffs, you better believe they would have gotten a waiver.

Right, and because it's about the money, they'd have stuck to the rules and put OSU in the title game in that scenario.  As @DrSpaceman73 posted, the rule was put in place to ensure OSU's presence in the title game, and that's because OSU is the cash cow.  Indiana is not and would not be given the same treatment.

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mojoween

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Not sure how New York State allowed all these cadets and midshipmen to attend the Army/Navy game, especially if the Navy traveled from Maryland, but while I know I’ve missed the roar of the crowd I didn’t realize how much until I heard it again.

All other sports are going to sound pretty blah from now on.

In unrelated news, good for Sarah Fuller.

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wknt3

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15 hours ago, mojoween said:

Not sure how New York State allowed all these cadets and midshipmen to attend the Army/Navy game, especially if the Navy traveled from Maryland, but while I know I’ve missed the roar of the crowd I didn’t realize how much until I heard it again.

All other sports are going to sound pretty blah from now on.

The game was held at West Point, which is a federal facility, to allow cadets and midshipmen to attend as the original site in PA would not have allowed spectators. So NYS had no jurisdiction.

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PepSinger

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Not to nitpick, but it's the CFP (College Football Playoff). The BCS (Bowl Championship Series) had its last season in 2013. 

Also, the Big Ten made a mistake in deciding to play so late. Did they forget their geographic location? Everyone knew COVID-19 was going to become worse the colder it became (among other things). That's not to say that COVID-19 has been going along swimmingly in the SEC (and those states), but at least most of our schools have played 9, if not all 10, of the 10 games scheduled. 

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xaxat

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Notre Dame's Brian Kelly issues the most hollow threat ever. 

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Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly said Friday if the Irish are chosen to make the College Football Playoff, they would consider not playing if families are not allowed to attend the semifinal game.

I guess he thinks he can bully the committee into moving the Rose Bowl. I can understand disagreeing with California health officials, but he acts as if he has some divine right to have spectators.

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nittany cougar

nittany cougar

I find Kirk Herbstreit's constant pimping of Ohio State extremely off-putting.  He desperately wants them to be in the same class as Alabama and Clemson, but they are not, at least not this year. I don't have any association with the SEC or the ACC, but come on, it's going to be Alabama or Clemson again.  Both teams are like NFL quality.

It would be very satisfying for me to see Ohio State get an ass kicking from one of those teams just to watch Kirk Herbstreit crying on TV.  

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Carey

Carey

2 hours ago, nittany cougar said:

I find Kirk Herbstreit's constant pimping of Ohio State extremely off-putting.  He desperately wants them to be in the same class as Alabama and Clemson, but they are not, at least not this year. I don't have any association with the SEC or the ACC, but come on, it's going to be Alabama or Clemson again.  Both teams are like NFL quality.

It would be very satisfying for me to see Ohio State get an ass kicking from one of those teams just to watch Kirk Herbstreit crying on TV.  

Same here.  I respect the Buckeyes and I do think they are one of the four best teams.  As mentioned, having them in the mix is not a surprise and rather necessary in terms of revenue and prestige.  However, I don't think Alabama or Clemson will beat Ohio State this year.  That has less to do with the Tide or the Tigers falling, and more to do with Notre Dame being for real this year.  Not enough to win out, but a much better team compared to 2012 or 2018.  (FTR: I'm going chalk this weekend on the collegiate level).  If Clemson wins, they would jump to number two (unless Bama loses).  I don't know if you'd drop Notre Dame to 4.  It's been 8 years, but I'd rather not see Alabama and Notre Dame again, and definitely not Clemson/Ohio State. 

Of course, the only way we'd get Ohio State vs Notre Dame is if the Irish win again and Northwestern loses

galaxygirl76

galaxygirl76

2 hours ago, mojoween said:

From what the Twitterwebs are telling me I don’t think it matters, but did the ACC really schedule the championship game against the NFL?  There was no way to avoid that? (The NFL game isn’t all that close either, but pro blowouts generally don’t affect the ratings for standalone games, I don’t think)

The SEC championship is scheduled against a NFL game as well.

DrSpaceman73

DrSpaceman73

2 hours ago, cambridgeguy said:

Hmm, that must explain why they got whupped by Clemson.  Nothing to worry about!

 

No kidding, once again notre dame in a huge game comes up tiny.   Ouch. 

Will be interesting to see now about the 4th team and of that loss is bad enough to kick them out.  Depends on some other results sure but that could not have gone worse for notre dame.  Kelly probably should have just kept his mouth shut until it mattered. 

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Bastet

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I couldn't name the coach or a single player on the Clemson team, yet I keep finding myself having to root for them because of who they're playing.  Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State?  Go Tigers!

(Alabama vs. Notre Dame is unwatchable; no one to root for but the meteor.  Which means I won't be watching the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day, which irritates me.)

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cambridgeguy

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9 minutes ago, Bastet said:

couldn't name the coach or a single player on the Clemson team, yet I keep finding myself having to root for them because of who they're playing.  Notre Dame, Alabama, Ohio State?  Go Tigers!

Not a Trevor Lawrence fan?  He's likely to be drafted by the Jets so he'll probably want to enjoy playing for a good team while he can/

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galaxygirl76

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18 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

The tweet won't load for me. Who got hosed?

 

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Army, despite 9-2 record & a guaranteed bid to Independence Bowl, will not be allowed to play in bowl game, sources told @Stadium. Army was snubbed because other bowls had contractual agreements w/teams & locked into taking teams w/ losing records over a 9-win team

 

 

Don't worry though, two win South Carolina got a bowl game.

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galaxygirl76

galaxygirl76

19 minutes ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

The big ten and cfb can go fuck themselves.  

Outback bowl bullshit.  

This is why I hate college football and why anyone trying to convince me the bowls are such a great system and tradition is crazy.  

Indiana should be in fiesta bowl.  4-2 oregon somehow makes it.  

Total joke.  

There are two three loss teams(both will play in NY6 bowls) ahead of one loss Indiana, who's only loss came from a team that's in the freaking play offs. It's bullshit.

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DrSpaceman73

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4 minutes ago, galaxygirl76 said:

There are two three loss teams(both will play in NY6 bowls) ahead of one loss Indiana, who's only loss came from a team that's in the freaking play offs. It's bullshit.

Three loss unc (state where I live) is in the orange bowl.  

I like unc, so good for them, but seriously since notre dame and clemson are in the playoff they get the orange bowl?

Meanwhile ohio state is in the playoff and next big ten team should likewise be in a new years six bowl.  Ok so maybe that's northwestern.....but even then next team in big ten should be citrus, then outback. Indiana basically was placed two tiers below where they arguably should be after they ignored the six game rule for the bug ten title game.  

 

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