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  1. wknt3

    Law & Order: Criminal Intent

    More than one episode - Governor Shalvoy was a recurring character. Although how fake he was is a matter for debate (basically he was Elliot Spitzer with the serial number filed off and better hair). There was also a fake U.S. Senator in "Crashers" and more fake councilmen, state legislators, etc. than we have time to list, even if I could remember them all. As I said the rule seemed to be that used real politicians or their names if they were commenting on policy or to add a little verisimilitude and for cameo appearances and made them up if they were perps, victims. witnesses, or otherwise integral to the story.
  2. wknt3

    Law & Order: Criminal Intent

    Yeah, but this is one of those areas where continuity has to take a back seat to the network and the show's lawyers. Given that they were depicting the governor's office in a rather negative light they couldn't actually use the name of a real life politician. And while as a NYS resident I firmly believe that they could get away it legally since truth is an absolute defense in a libel case, they were filming in NY and taking money from the city and state so that's pretty much a deal breaker. Given that in the L&Overse it seemed all the politicians were constantly resigning after getting implicated in scandals uncovered by murder investigations we can just assume that's what happened off screen and handwave it away without too much trouble. Not perfect continuity, but far from the worst mistake especially since the rule seemed to be that they used real names until they actually became part of the episode (except for cameos) so it fits in pretty well that way.
  3. My educated guess is he will keep everything that happened as canon, but reset or ignore a couple things - i.e. we get a couple mentions of Dr. Al but never see him again. Some of those plots you don't like no doubt were not the choice of the showrunner, but were dictates from above so they are pretty much set in stone. The most I could see him undoing something is with Barba (assuming Raul isn't persona non grata with Dick Wolf which is often the case with actors whose characters are trashed on the way out) since he was one of his pet projects. Perhaps they hit their favorite reset button and announce he has been diagnosed as bipolar and put on meds and we can just forget about the last few years he was there? I don't see him coming back full time, but maybe an episode or two.
  4. Maybe as an element of the story. Can;t really see anyone from the squad involved - nobody would dare throw water at St. Benson of Manhattan (plus it might require her to move the top half of her face), Ice-T would just be like "nope", and there is no way they can afford the hair and makeup on Giddish (it takes hours to make her look that messy). Perhaps Carisi? I'm sure @Fellaway wouldn't mind if it meant a Carisi focused episode and I know there are several forum members who would be happy to see him in one of those slim cut shirts soaked through and then back at the precinct in just an undershirt. Most likely it would be just be some random uniformed officers in the teaser though before they find the special victim. It would be the perfect way to bring back Montero and give Mariska's cousin another paycheck...
  5. wknt3

    TDS 3.0: Season Four Talk

    According to the show's social media they will back after Labor Day Tuesday 9/3 and this was a previously scheduled hiatus. The scheduled break may be one of the reasons why they decided not to have a guest host last Thursday when Trevor's vocal issues resurfaced and just air a repeat.
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    Law & Order: Criminal Intent

    Fin and Goren both worked in narcotics and both had an Army background so there is definitely some common ground there to add to the obvious parallels of the quirky-snarky partner chemistry. In retrospect it seems kind of odd they never took advantage of that. Yeah I think we can kind of safely ignore that since it was part of the peiod where SVU seemed to be just ignoring the larger franchise continiuity just because they could and nobody cared. And they were also trashing everyone who wasn't there anymore to build up Benson. I say sweep it under the rug with the new DA and Stabler stifling Benson's growth and retcon away! As far as the finale of both shows is concerned it all depends on the mandate from above - CI was certainly well executed, but the marching orders were to make the fans happy with a proper sendoff and I think Leight is more then capable of pulling it off (although he would probably have worked in some unnecessary family drama.) And I don't think SVU's finale will be much different under Leight than any competent strong showrunner. Or any weak and incompetent one for that matter - it will be plotted by Mariska and Dick Wolf and only the execution will be up to the writers and showrunner.
  7. wknt3

    TDS 3.0: Season Four Talk

    No show tonight. Apparently Trevor is having some issues with his voice again. Or at least that;s what they want us to believe... 🙂
  8. wknt3

    Law & Order

    Not the killer, but still a perp - Richard Peterson from "Survivor". The publicity hungry chubby fake billionaire real estate tycoon who expanded into football, airlines, etc. based on lies and shaky debt. Can't quite put my finger on it, but for some reason every time I watch that episode the past few years I find him a little more contemptible...
  9. Well it seems like the nation's leading TV critic agrees with us that this week's show was lacking although I can't quite agree with his reasoning. Guess we know one of next week's topics Bill will cover.
  10. Normally I would agree with you wholeheartedly and I have said many times before that one of Bill's worse tendencies is to let cable news blowhards filibuster their way through the panel even though he can be a good moderator, but this week I didn't mind so much since Bill had nothing to say and his scripted material was terrible - Bill getting pissed at him for interrupting was the funniest part. Yes Bill was particularly tone deaf and lacking self-awareness this week. You would think that somebody who is always lecturing the audience about not playing into the hands of the opposition would realize that openly rooting for an economic downturn for partisan gain is much more alienating to "average Americans" than caring about progressive issues other than the environment and (some forms of) economic inequality and is exactly the right wing propaganda line that is pushed whenever critics point out the damage caused by reckless trade wars? Worse is that he couldn't come up with a clever or funny way to say it. I mean at least maybe a comment about how that at least the guy who screwed it up should be the one to get punished? Or a chemotherapy metaphor about how it will cause real damage, but is better than nuclear war or blocking action on climate change? Both Engel and Bill demonstrated a distressing lack of historical awareness. Especially for a journalist and a commentator whose central thesis this week was about not forgetting the past. Even if you want to ignore say the Civil War or the Progressive Era, you would think they would be aware of the Days of Rage and the 60s protest movements and reactionary violence which is a direct and obvious parallel.
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    All Points Bulletin: All Things Media And News!

    Speaking of the dangers of baseless speculation about the mess this show has devolved into, it's not just us random civilians on the internet getting in trouble - https://popculture.com/celebrity/2019/08/05/adam-baldwin-slammed-comment-rookie-star-afton-williamson-quitting-alleging-sexual-harrassment-racism-bullying/
  12. wknt3

    All Points Bulletin: All Things Media And News!

    That is quite likely. There are two possibilities, which are not mutually exclusive. One is that she felt that they did not do an adequate job in following up and ensure that her complaints were being properly handled. The other involves the process known as "packaging" in which shows are sold based upon a producer/showrunner and a star being put together as a package and sold in advance based upon business instead of creative concerns, which is controversial for a number of reasons (the writers have been most active and have threatened to strike over this, but a lot of actors, directors, etc. don't like it either) one of which is that agencies often receive a fee and/or profit participation as part of the overall deal and so are more concerned with the series' success rather than their clients' best interests. A quick bit of Googling shows that a number of the cast members share the same agency as her including the first announced co-leads so it is possible that they were part of the "package". If I was being assured that things were being taken care of and found out they had been swept under the rug while the people who are supposed to be representing me were taking money from the management that was ignoring the abuse I would be pissed, maybe not believe that they were in the dark too, and consider firing them as well. While we don't know for certain what the contractual relationships between the parties are it's a definite possibility, maybe even a probability, given what we do know.
  13. wknt3

    All Points Bulletin: All Things Media And News!

    Nathan and his agent have EP credits because ABC bought this as a "package" based on Nathan being attached and Hawley's business relationship with the network. It's a way of giving them backend profit participation. Also the article states Hawley didn't tell the producers or formally report the incidents to the proper HR staff. So based on what has been reported there is no reason to believe that Nathan did anything wrong or failed to do the right thing. Of course that could change as more reports come out. And yes Hawley should be replaced and never allowed to run a show again. There is now ample proof of managerial incompetence.
  14. wknt3

    All Points Bulletin: All Things Media And News!

    I agree that it's quite likely they bring in a new showrunner and announce they are taking this very seriously and always had planned on taking serious action and in no way are they doing this just because it's public now. And that this show is doomed. But unless it comes out that Nathan is personally involved it's not an instant cancellation situation and more of a "the show is toast, but we're going to let it play out" thing. I don't think that they tried to protect the hair department, it's more that Hawley and the network execs didn't take the situation seriously and couldn't be bothered taking real disciplinary action until it became an actual assault situation. Which is sad and frustrating, but unfortunately entirely believable given the voluminous evidence of this kind of thing happening all the time for quite awhile now.
  15. wknt3

    All Points Bulletin: All Things Media And News!

    As we talked about above "amicable" is usually PR speak for "we don't want to talk about what actually happened yet". It's really disappointing to hear the explanation - I was thinking it was typical network executive stupidity and I guess I was right, but it's both sad and frustrating that it was this type of typical television industry stupidity. And if I was borderline on the show before this pushes me over the line towards "cancel the show on the DVR and hope the actors I like are in something better next season." This isn't really a comparable situation. There was nothing public and it wasn't the series lead engaging in the bad behavior. I do think that you are right that the show is toast since it was already borderline and was losing one of the best parts of the show and this kind of story isn't really conducive to getting lapsed and new viewers to check out the show, but I don't think it means immediate cancellation, since the network was almost certainly aware of the situation when they made the decision to renew it even if they want to pretend that they weren't.
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