S06.E22: Reunion Part 2

[Duke2801]

The saddest thing that Carole ever told me was that she never experienced love for anyone.

 

 

So Carole told you that she never loved anyone.... including her husband? There is NO way on God's green earth that Carole would have ever said this to anybody, let alone Aviva.  Just more proof that Aviva is a lying liar whose pants are on fire (not that we needed any, she's prevaricated a-plenty already)

Edited August 6, 2014 by Duke2801

[LotusFlower]

So Carole told you that she never loved anyone.... including her husband? There is NO way on God's green earth that Carole would have ever said this to anybody, let alone Aviva.  Just more proof that Aviva is a lying liar whose pants are on fire (not that we needed any, she's prevaricated a-plenty already)

She eviscerated Carole in her blog. It was the most vile thing I think I've ever read. Carole's right - she has no soul. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but if I did, Aviva is going straight to Hell for that blog alone.

[motorcitymom65]

No, she doesn't. She is required to film and do the reunion. I doubt there is a requirement to discuss things that happened outside the filming.

Well no, but if she wants to talk about things that happen outside of filming that impact the other ladies, should she get a pass? 

[LotusFlower]

No, she doesn't. She is required to film and do the reunion. I doubt there is a requirement to discuss things that happened outside the filming.

I disagree. I think the rule/requirement is to be yourself and open yourself and your world to viewers (minus kids or husbands, if that's the choice). Ramona did all that for six seasons, intentionally and with pride introducing her "trifecta" of herself, Mario and Avery to the public. Once you open Pandora's box, you can't close it. That's what she wanted to do by shutting down the gossip. Too late. It's already out of the box. I wonder if they'll ask her back if she's unwilling to be truthful.

[Satchels of gold]

Aviva really brings out the worst in people. I'm usually pretty mellow and take my housewives with a grain of salt, but I want Aviva to be fired and I want it to hurt. I'm not even a huge Carole fan but what she's doing to her is just shameful. Aviva is a very dark, dark person.

[diorella78]

Aviva is quite dark, isn't she? I see her as someone who has evidently never gotten over many issues in her life and has only ill-will for many people, despite the calm and proper facade she puts on. Instead of x-rays and asthma specialists she should perhaps change therapists. 

[LotusFlower]

Fame is such a powerful drug. Carole's revelation that Reid told production he could get Aviva to Montana in exchange for an assured spot on the next season is just extraordinary. She wants fame so badly that she went this dark, and this low. The irony, of course, is that she attempted to make Carole look bad, but she really only made herself look bad, and despicable, and psychotic. How do you repair your reputation after this?

[zoeysmom]

Ramona and Mario divorce talk is back on.   InTouch caught the cheater and his not-so-secret lover sharing lunch at NYC eatery Anassa Taverna on August 2 — and snapped a tell-tale photo!

 

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/08/ramona-singer-mario-singer-mistress-cheating-again-divorce/

 

Cheating on Ramona is one thing, but humiliating her is another. The ladies gave her too much respect by not going in for the kill regarding Mario's cheating over the years.

When did they film the Reunion?  About a month ago?  Seems Ramona has a whole new set of problems. 

I still don't understand why anyone would put themselves in the position of going in for the kill regarding Mario's cheating over the years.  It is time for Ramona to move on.  Avery is old enough to understand.  These divorced women should be supporting each other and not building up their cad exes.

 

I keep the think the dynamic Sonja, LuAnn and to a lesser extent Carole do not want is a single Ramona.  A single Ramona who now has ownership in a restaurant, a house in the Hamptons, a place in the city, and a successful wine line.  Screw Mario let the dating games begin.  This might be what the show needs.

[Almost 3000]

If given a choice between admitting I said or did something terrible and apologizing for it and claiming I can’t remember (a.k.a. black out drunk), I’ll opt to apologize.  If you’re in your 40s or 50s and having that much trouble remembering things you did and recently watched on film, you need to see a neurologist immediately.  In fact, you probably should be escorted everywhere for fear you’ll forget who and where you are (Maybe that’s why Sonja has so many “interns”; they are actually caretakers to protect her from herself).  With Moaner’s excessive denials and Sonja’s ridiculous fantasies about her life, this team needs an intervention.  Andy should have arranged for CAT scans or MRIs as part of the reunion to check for brain injuries.

Your bracketed note about the "interns" could explain that whole confusing mystery. Maybe ex Mr Morgan has hired Pickles and the other young man who's been there for several years to keep an eye on Sonja...

If you sort the Radar comments by 'Best' (most upvoted), at #1: "Karma is a bitch."

 

I guess a lot of us have a problem with 'integrity,' should that word be defined for some reason to mean that Ramona and similar sociopaths who draw first blood and attack people for no fucking reason again and again should receive nothing in return but maybe silence - that that is the only way to show integrity or dignity.  Me, I like the idea posted upthread that true integrity and dignity can be found most often in sticking up for yourself, pointing out hypocrisy and not otherwise permitting yourself to be mistreated and abused.  (I do see the wisdom in Carole 'Co-Opting 'Writer Girl' since summer 2014' Radziwill twisting Aviva's non-burn burn back on her.  Well played, Carole.)

Adrienne Maloof should played it that way with the Maloof Hoof. #Malof Hoof

[Notmuchofacook]

I've been laughing all morning at these jewels: "writer girl" "homeless Irish girl" "Truman Capote wrote TKAM" "shudder down" "karma's a bitch." I'm sure there are a ton more, but Aviva and poor Sonja and Ramoana are looking worse and worse. It's about time.

[politichick]

I'm a writer without a ghost -- :) --  and on deadline, so all I'm going to say for now is:  I am not a fan of Ramona, although I enjoy her presence on the show, but I can't hate her for trying to shut down the "my husband is a fucking lying, cheating asshole" chat during reunion part 2, because she was just trying to look out for Avery, who's probably already been impacted by the rumors as she tries to start her freshman year of college. And yeah, she signed up for a reality show, yadda, yadda, yadda, but her first concern has got to be her only child.

 

As for Aviva: the child protection service of NYC needs to swoop in and grab up her children, She is crazy, delusional, and just plain mean. Bravo, please get rid of her; the bitch will not be missed! Not only is she not a well wisher, but she's also a really bad, bad, bad influence. OMG!

[msblossom]

I have to wonder if Ramona really doesn't remember the shit she says. She called Aviva "vile" (which, spot on!) and when Aviva got her panties in a bunch over it, refusing to answer to someone calling her vile, Ramona was like, "Oh, but I didn't call you vile." Huh? What?! That was a laughable moment because Ramona really was like, "But I didn't call you vile."

Either that or Ramona is showing symptoms of Alzheimer's.

[Satchels of gold]

Or when Sonja tells Luann not to laugh at the Irish homeless girl and Luanne says " I have no idea what you are talking about!" Neither do we Lu.

[Lola16]

And a whole semester to learn the Mac?  A whole semester to learn how to schedule appointments, because it's "really complicated?"

 

I think it took the "interns" a whole semester to explain to Sonja how to schedule things on the Mac.  That may be why Tyler is still around three years on.... 

I figured it's Sonja trying to teach them all the while having no power or internet and being too drunk to remember her password.

 

Is Ramona going to have Kasey arrested?  I thought she and Mario had a no contact order out on the woman.  Man, this is messy!

Shades of Brandi, Eddie & LeAnn. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

No, she doesn't. She is required to film and do the reunion. I doubt there is a requirement to discuss things that happened outside the filming.

 

Yes, she absolutely, positively, MOST certainly, without-a-doubt does.  If she's closed mouth about certain things, she's gonna get nailed on those things.  Carole thought she could be a side-line observer.  Look how that worked out for her.  Oh, Andy will ask Moaner back.  But he'll hire someone to replace Aviva & her sole mission will be to destroy Moaner.  Maybe he'd even hire Casey Dexter.  Knowing what a prick he is, it wouldn't surprise me.  Moaner thinks she can still be on the show & not talk bout the real Mario.  Let's how long she'll be able to work that strategy.  Ain't.  Gonna.  Happen!

[comatoast]

Finally saw it. I've laughed so much with these reunion episodes I almost thought about forgiving Bravo for the George episodes. Maybe they should leave the Crew of Sanity as full-timers and then the Trio of Batshit as "Friends of" for injections of unintentional comic relief (and other injections with Ramona's dermatologist).

 

Speaking of the crazy, I loved how Ramona, in a rare moment of clarity, told Aviva that when you hear negative things you shouldn't repeat them. I guess that's one of those things she forgets? I also love how she always seems to get an eyelash stuck in her eye when they're talking about certain topics. Oh, yeah, and Ramona saying Harry calls everyone with hair and two legs....still funny!

 

Poor Sonja, all I could think of when she was talking was that if these delusions continue she is going to have to move in with her homeless girl in Ireland.

 

And Aviva, boy, that woman needs not just a village, but a damn continent full of ghostthinkers. Her blog is really something else, too, playing the martyr for being the messenger? GTFOH! Actually,GTFoff the show!!

 

Good times! Thank you, Bravo.

[The Evil One]

I actually thought Ramona's initial response to Andy's question was rather graceful (thought the painted on smile was painful to watch), and I am someone who waiting for her to get her own comeuppance. It was her subsequent answers that did her in, like "who are you sleeping with, Andy?" Most of his questions weren't that bad or over the line. She could have answered the questions about what she learned about herself or if her friends were supportive. I mean, she filed for divorce, it's not like the topic was just tabloid speculation, it was public record. She just wanted to act like nothing happened. I don't think admitting it was a painful time is revealing, it would make her more human. I understand she must have been terribly embarrassed, especially given her previous lording of "the perfect marriage" over others, but she should take a page from the Guidice Playbook of "How to Appear Ever-So-Slightly More Likeable By (Fake) Acting Like You've Been Humbled By Life."

 

As for Ramona's geographical leanings, she is just such a snob. As a New Yorker who grew up on Long Island, I don't "get" the Hamptons. Ramona cares about "the scene" and being seen. To me, in the summer, it is awful. Miserable traffic (though I am sure she choppers or flies), and it has been turned into a mini-Manhattan replica. "Let us provide you with all of the same stores and restaurants that you have in Manhattan, beachside!" I feel terribly for the people who live there year round and have lived there for generations; Ramona is a pox upon their hamlets.

 

Random aside, I love Carole, but between the face work and that hair color, I am getting such a Ron Perlman "Beauty and the Beast" vibe.

 

Finally, Aviva. Somehow, if you added up all of the minutes of airtime this season, hers would be the lowest, but she actively tries to make herself relevant by being over the top and vile. Is the modicum of fame she has achieved really that intoxicating? Does she distinguish between famous and infamous? Does she grasp the fact that she got a book deal because of RH versus Carole getting one before she ever appeared because she is an award-winning writer? (Of course the Kennedy connection helps, but if you go back, that book was so well-reviewed that it sold itself). The blog post about Carole is truly horrible; the woman lost her husband and you imply she didn't love him? Maybe Aviva needs some homeless intern in Ireland to tell her when she has just gone beyond the pale.

Edited August 7, 2014 by The Evil One

[phoenix780]

No, she doesn't. She is required to film and do the reunion. I doubt there is a requirement to discuss things that happened outside the filming.

The reunion is an interesting place, because part of it is to discuss the season, but you could also say that it's partly an update on the status of everyone.  In that respect, Ramona probably has some obligation to comment on her current marital status.

 

That said, I'm still glad she didn't talk about it.  I still enjoy how it poked at Andy (no, he's not exploiting them, imho, but I think he's a vulture as someone else said and it's nice to see one of these women draw a firm line and hold to it, and to watch how frustrated he becomes when he's unable to break through).  And, for me it's fun to talk about and watch these stupid shows, but all the off-camera tabloid stuff becomes a bit much to follow.  As in, I'm wasting too much of my time with it, and I'm kinda cool with the tv show just being a tv show, albeit with blogs and a discussion.  

 

She shouldn't come back next year, though, assuming there is one.  If you take some kind of a stand you have to follow through, in my opinion, and for me that means she has to walk away now.

 

Aviva's blog...she should try to fade away with some dignity.  Being famous for being disgusting might still be fame, but I don't think it's the kind of fame you should aspire to have.

[ScoobieDoobs]

So in Aviva's world, "at least I'm not 50" is a compliment, eh?  And she says it's meant to be a compliment cuz she thought Carole was older?  Hmmm, an insult on top of another insult.  OK, between this awful shit & her last several blogs, which have just been non-stop nasty insults, I must ask -- why all this nasty shit?  Why so much evil from her?  She does what seems like important charity work, so she must be capable of kindness.  Why would she want to showcase this kind of ugly nastiness to a national audience?  I just don't get it.  

 

Fame is such a powerful drug. Carole's revelation that Reid told production he could get Aviva to Montana in exchange for an assured spot on the next season is just extraordinary. She wants fame so badly that she went this dark, and this low. The irony, of course, is that she attempted to make Carole look bad, but she really only made herself look bad, and despicable, and psychotic. How do you repair your reputation after this?

 

Carole says in this interview, Aviva never would have gotten a book deal if she hadn't been on the show.  But yeah, I agree she's hooked on being famous & will try to hang onto it however she can.

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/carole-radziwill-interview-real-housewives-of-new-york

 

Nice interview btw.  She clearly has no idea whether she'll be asked back or not.  Oh I think she'll be back if they ask her.  I suspected the issue of lawsuits is sticky & complicated.  Sure, she can sue, but it's very, very involved -- and she'd piss off the very people she wants to work for.  She's really not in any position to sue.  At least she does have a deal going with NBC for the Widow's Guide.  That sounds promising.  Good for her.

Edited August 7, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[demarti]

Kristin is such a dumb bimbo. That "our husbands didn't sign up for a reality show" really grated. Um yes they did, actually. Literally, they had to sign a waiver to appear. In fact, a condition of your employment with the show is how much you're showing of your family life. And Josh was your storyline, which he voluntarily participated in, and he also got to promote his business. So shut the fuck up.

Kristin is not the one that said that. Heather said it. Although I'm sure Kristin agrees. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

She just wanted to act like nothing happened. I don't think admitting it was a painful time is revealing, it would make her more human. I understand she must have been terribly embarrassed, especially given her previous lording of "the perfect marriage" over others,

 

She might have gotten a good bit of sympathy from viewers if she just admitted she went thru a tough time, but was trying to work things out & didn't wish to discuss it further.  But her carrying on with the bullshit of bragging about her perfect marriage made her look like a smug deluded fool -- kinda like her pal Sonja.  And by doing this she also sorta dared the media to to do what just happened -- get pics of Mario & the skank.  Oh, I bet there have been lots of opportunities for them to catch Mario & Casey together, but with Moaner acting the way she did, it motivated the tabs big time.  Ah, finally Moaner, your bullshit bit you right square in the ass.  Good.  Have no sympathy at all for her.

[Higgins]

Maybe Ramona promised Avery she wouldn't discuss it.

[zoeysmom]

Bethenny coming back? Geez this will be quite the single girl line up.  Bring Kelly back as well.  Each week the women could compete to see who had the more interesting date.  Jill could be the emcee.  http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/08/bethenny-frankel-talks-return-rhony/

She might have gotten a good bit of sympathy from viewers if she just admitted she went thru a tough time, but was trying to work things out & didn't wish to discuss it further.  But her carrying on with the bullshit of bragging about her perfect marriage made her look like a smug deluded fool -- kinda like her pal Sonja.  And by doing this she also sorta dared the media to to do what just happened -- get pics of Mario & the skank.  Oh, I bet there have been lots of opportunities for them to catch Mario & Casey together, but with Moaner acting the way she did, it motivated the tabs big time.  Ah, finally Moaner, your bullshit bit you right square in the ass.  Good.  Have no sympathy at all for her.

Those clips were from years ago about Ramona talking about the trifecta.  I don't think she claimed she had a perfect marriage during the Reunion, did she?  I figure let the press do Ramona's dirty work for her.

 

Scoobie you also reference what a pit Ramona lives in on 3rd and 83rd.  How do the other RHs city homes rank in comparison to Ramona's dive? 

[LoLo]

It's hard to feel sympathy for Ramona when no one else's family is off limits to her & she's shown zero compassion with the way she goes at them. She could have apologized to LuAnn for talking about her marriage & said that she herself was going through a rough patch but working on it". That would have quieted the rest. Nope, instead she had to be aggressive & loud. Saying she was never in pain over it. Even if it's just rumors they would hurt. Then she tried to turn it on Andy & ask him about his sex life which was stupid as he's not on a reality show. He's a host. Funny, how for seasons we've had to see Ramona gush about Mario & witness that horrible lotion scene. But now no one can talk about him. Kristen opened up about her marriage & came off like a normal human being. Ramona is so fake she can't even relate to the other women. Then Aviva chimed in saying "she never talks like that in her marriage". I don't buy that, she can flip a switch pretty fast. I was glad Heather didn't give Ramona a pass on her behavior with the way she talked about Heather's husband.

 

I'm so over Aviva. Has she not researched Carole's accomplishments> Things she achieved even before her 1st book, 3 Emmy's, a Peabody, wrote for 20/20 & produced for Peter Jennings. She didn't just decide to write a book one day, she is an accomplished writer. Aviva made herself look even worse, especially when she said "writer girl".

[comatoast]

Maybe Ramona promised Avery she wouldn't discuss it.

Maybe. But I can picture Avery rolling her eyes when Ramona was being an idiot and then using her as an excuse.

[LoLo]

She eviscerated Carole in her blog. It was the most vile thing I think I've ever read. Carole's right - she has no soul. I don't believe in heaven or hell, but if I did, Aviva is going straight to Hell for that blog alone.

Carole wrote in her blog "I bet Aviva has a cousin who knows someone who knows someone else who passed out drunk in a hotel one night and woke up in a bathtub short a kidney. Or a babysitter who gets creepy phone calls coming from inside the house. Maybe it's a weird urban legend that "real writers" (as Aviva calls them) hire writers!"

I've been laughing all morning at these jewels: "writer girl" "homeless Irish girl" "Truman Capote wrote TKAM" "shudder down" "karma's a bitch." I'm sure there are a ton more, but Aviva and poor Sonja and Ramoana are looking worse and worse. It's about time.

I know, they were on the "crazy couch".

I'm a writer without a ghost -- :) --  and on deadline, so all I'm going to say for now is:  I am not a fan of Ramona, although I enjoy her presence on the show, but I can't hate her for trying to shut down the "my husband is a fucking lying, cheating asshole" chat during reunion part 2, because she was just trying to look out for Avery, who's probably already been impacted by the rumors as she tries to start her freshman year of college. And yeah, she signed up for a reality show, yadda, yadda, yadda, but her first concern has got to be her only child.

 

As for Aviva: the child protection service of NYC needs to swoop in and grab up her children, She is crazy, delusional, and just plain mean. Bravo, please get rid of her; the bitch will not be missed! Not only is she not a well wisher, but she's also a really bad, bad, bad influence. OMG!

I get Ramona wanting to protect Avery but she didn't care about LuAnn's kids when she was trashing her marriage & Lu's were younger at that time. She didn't care about Heather's kids when she was trashing their father. She doesn't support other women although she's proclaimed to for years. I get the impression this was not about protecting Avery, it was about saving face for herself.

[Persnickety1]

Carole did a really good interview which I will attach as it discusses the season but also the reunion at length.  It is long, but if you are a Carole fan I think it's a must read.  Even if you are not, there are some interesting nuggets in here.

 

• She gives info about how they all knew that Aviva was making up the Asthma deal - or at least making up how severe it was.  Her husband apparently contacted production and said he would deliver Aviva to Montana, but only with a guarantee that she would be asked back next year.  She said the production folks told them this when they were in Montana, and it was the first time info. like that had ever been shared. Apparently, the producers were pissed enough to not be discreet. 
• She also goes into more detail about their contracts and the fact that they cannot sue each other, unless they want to violate their Bravo contracts.  
• Most interestingly to me, she said that she has never had a conversation with Sonja - never. She is on the show with her, she thinks she is nice, but she has never talked just to her. 

 

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/carole-radziwill-interview-real-housewives-of-new-york

 

WHOA....Back that shit up a few thousand miles.

 

So fucking REID tried to barter with BRAVO that he would get Aviva to Montana in exchange for a GUARANTEE she would be invited back next season????

 

The fuck??????

 

Oh, the Dreschers, they are BOTH nasty pieces of work, aren't they?  

 

I guess since there was no fucking Aviva in Montana there won't be a fucking Aviva next season either.  Thankfully.

 

 

 

CR: And Aviva’s asthma thing is just, like — it’s hard to take her asthma seriously because her husband at one point called the production team, the executive producer, and said, “I’ll get her to Montana in exchange for a guarantee that she’ll be on next season.” The executive producer told me, Ramona, and Sonja that in Montana. So it’s, like, we’re hearing that, behind-the-scenes, back-door deals. So it’s not like we’re horrible, insensitive women that are calling her a liar. It’s, like, No, this is actually what’s going on.

I imagine that was out of the question. And she didn’t go on the trip. Is there a lot of talking like that between the cast and production people?

CR: That’s the first time I ever heard a production person say something like that. It was a big deal, I guess, not going on a trip. So we can’t say that on the show because it refers to the show.

You can’t refer on the show to being on a show?

CR: Also, I couldn’t say, “You’re on a reality show, you got a book deal, you hired a writer.” People were saying, “Well, why do you think she had a ghostwriter?” Because I know the ghostwriter, I know the publisher, and that’s what happened. But I can’t say, “Because she’s on a reality show.” If she wasn’t on the show, she wouldn’t have gotten a book deal. It’s hard. So she was probably sick, she probably had something. But did it keep her from traveling to Montana? No.

[sasha206]

Just finished watching #2 and haven't read through all the comments but Aviva lost any sympathy I had towards her.  She's just vile.

 

I had a tinge of sympathy for Ramona because I think once she confirmed that her and Mario were together I think the questions could've stopped.  But watching the reels of her piling on LuAnn on the cheating ended that sympathetic feeling.

 

I want to like Kristen but she reminds me of one of those girls who is only all bad ass when she knows she's going along with the crowd.  Mean girlish.  I guess since she took on Heather, I shouldn't feel that way but she just seems to be almost as obnoxious as Ramona in challenging people and not letting go.   

 

Sonja is just fucking nuts.  I thought it was an act earlier in this season but she's just nuts.

[diorella78]

I actually thought Ramona's initial response to Andy's question was rather graceful (thought the painted on smile was painful to watch), and I am someone who waiting for her to get her own comeuppance. It was her subsequent answers that did her in, like "who are you sleeping with, Andy?" Most of his questions weren't that bad or over the line. She could have answered the questions about what she learned about herself or if her friends were supportive.

 

This is where she lost me. I thought her first answer was ok. "Everyone in my family is doing well." I mean, that makes a point....they're still a family, all is ok now, la di da. But then, Ramona is always Ramona....she goes in for nasty questions/deflection....like asking Andy about who he's sleeping with. WTF? Then her tone got more and more heated, eyes bugging, hands waving to ask about Sonja, Luann etc....then freaking out completely...."shut it down!" "next topic!" lol. 

 

Ramona is an asshole.

[ScoobieDoobs]

But then, Ramona is always Ramona....she goes in for nasty questions/deflection....like asking Andy about who he's sleeping with. WTF? Then her tone got more and more heated, eyes bugging, hands waving to ask about Sonja, Luann etc....then freaking out completely...."shut it down!" "next topic!" lol.

 

Keep in mind, he's her boss.  Who talks to their boss this way?  She was extremely disrespectful.  He mostly kept his cool, but he was getting annoyed with her & rightly so.  And she was ordering him what to do by literally telling him to speak to someone else or run a package.  He was clearly not pleased by her telling him what to do.

 

Aviva is another one who's been trying to call the shots this season.  I think that -- and that alone -- is what's gonna get her fired.  Is Moaner's outburst gonna get her fired?  Probably not, but she came close -- very, very close.  I'd say she's mistaken if she thinks she's in a position where Andy would never fire her.

Edited August 7, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[copacabana]

It could be that Ramona really really doesn't want to discuss it because it's not just about mid-life infidelity and pregnancy but about abortion.  Are the Singers still doing their True Faith jewelry line along with the rest of their crap?  I'd be the world's greatest hypocrite to take the anti-abortion stance but I can see the Singers freaking out over having to disclose this.  Look at Hobby Lobby -- That said, screw Ramona, Mario, and Andy -- Or, better, don't screw them and let them keep on keeping on. 

 

Carole doesn't need to worry about Captain Ahab, I mean Aviva, ruining her reputation as a writer.  Aviva is a self-destructive mess -- and her latest psychotic blog is the cherry on the sundae.  Carole will be just fine and Aviva will have helped. 

Edited August 7, 2014 by copacabana

[car54]

I remember reading on some site that one of the former interns posted and she did get credit in school for managing Sonja's social media--she does have a website and she does other things online.   

[Trooper York]

I know that Aviva is the worst housewife since Eva Braun but sometimes she can be funny. In the preview when Andy asked if it was an insult to call Carole 50 years old and Aviva said "I thought she was older" did make me laugh.

 

It is not true. Carol looks much better than she did on her last TV gig when she was the host on that HBO show.

[motorcitymom65]

Andy always asks the wrong questions, which drives me nuts. He should not host these reunions. I don't say that because I dislike him, on the contrary I love me some Andy Cohen. He shouldn't host because he is too close to the drama. He knows who is a bitch or hard to work with, he knows who asks for ridiculous things in their contracts or drives production nuts. He has seen a lot of the unedited footage. We should have someone who just watches the show, keeps up with the press and peruses the popular forums to see what the audience is thinking.

He really blew it on the Ramona deal IMO. I know there has been a lot of discussion about whether or not Ramona is or is not obligated to talk about her marriage, but I don't think that is the point. The point is that Ramona has been shown to be a bit of a hypocrite and should be specifically questioned as to this charge. She can say she doesn't want to open her family to anymore scrutiny. I am actually OK with that. What she needs to be asked about is her past statements about other people, and why she thinks her situation is different. Why she thinks her child deserves more compassion than someone else's child. The question he should have asked is this: "your family has been in the press a lot, and this must have been hard for you, since of course you would want to shield Avery from such talk. Having found yourself in this situation, do you have any regrets about the role you have played in the past in bringing other folks marital issues into the conversation?" Simple. Don't make her talk about her marriage at all. Let her pretend they are allegations. The point is there is speculation and she doesn't want anyone to give that speculation any air. She doesn't need to be made to feel badly about anything Mario has done. She needs to be reminded and made to feel badly about her own past behavior.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Scoobie you also reference what a pit Ramona lives in on 3rd and 83rd.  How do the other RHs city homes rank in comparison to Ramona's dive?

 

Oh no no no, it's certainly not a pit.  It's OK, just ho-hum & extremely unimpressive.  The high rise buildings in that area are mostly non-descript & look like college dorms.  Look closely at the scenes in her apartment & you'll notice the icky low ceilings  While the decor is badly dated, I'll say it does look comfortable.  Impressive?  Not at all.

 

I thought the original purpose of the show was to feature women living the high life in NYC.  Actually, none of these women live in fab apartments.  

 

Carole's place is OK, but looks tiny to me.  She did decorate it nicely.  We haven't seen Heather's place, but she lives in an ordinary building on the Upper West Side.  Lu doesn't live in the city.  Sonja's townhouse, I pass all the time on way to the subway every morning.  It's tiny & right next door to an extremely busy 24/7 garage.  And there's construction going on all around her townhouse, along with hideous baricades -- on either side & across the street.  The noise around that place must be horrible.  No wonder why nobody wants to buy it.

 

What really bugs me is how Moaner brags about living the high life, but I don't think she does.  I think her apartment is just meh & not in a prime location  Her house in the Hamptons looks nice to me, but supposedly it's also not in a prime location either.  My point is she's not really in a position to look down on people.  But I get it.  That's her shtick.  And it's why I think she & Mario gave it another try.  Cuz if they do get divorced -- that's the end of the pretense of this lifestyle of theirs.  They're gonna be forced to sell off the real estate --- and it would drastically change both of their lives.

 

Here's what I predict is gonna happen.  Moaner may have thrown Mario out, but I don't think she's gonna file divorce so quickly.  Oh sure, she'd get some money outta divorcing Mario, but her lifestyle is gonna change & you can be sure she don't want dat.  And what about Mario?  Hate say it, but look close at that pic of him & Casey & he really looks nuts about her.  He might wanna divorce Moaner & marry her.  Hmmmm.

Edited August 7, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[comatoast]

I remember reading on some site that one of the former interns posted and she did get credit in school for managing Sonja's social media--she does have a website and she does other things online.   

I was trying to think of things we've seen the interns learn about fashion and merchandising, and they have actually learned a few things. There was destination appropriate underwear, restoration of vintage goods, costume design on a budget, and advertisement of goods and services through clothes...or lack thereof.

Edited August 7, 2014 by comatoast

[Mozelle]

So Carole told you that she never loved anyone.... including her husband? There is NO way on God's green earth that Carole would have ever said this to anybody, let alone Aviva.  Just more proof that Aviva is a lying liar whose pants are on fire (not that we needed any, she's prevaricated a-plenty already)

 

Yeah. It sounds like Aviva doing what she does best: lie. Carole was married and took care of her husband. It sounded like she loved him dearly. Also, the way she speaks so fondly of her grandparents tells me that she's got love for them. So, yeah, Aviva being a lying sack is most likely what's at play here.

 

Speaking of the crazy, I loved how Ramona, in a rare moment of clarity, told Aviva that when you hear negative things you shouldn't repeat them. 

 

See, she was almost there, but then I remember how badly she heckled LuAnn at the jazz club. And who can forget when she asked Kookoo Kelly if she'd planned on fixing her implants before doing the Playboy shoot because she (Ramona) had heard that Kelly's implants were wonky and lopsided?

 

Keep in mind, he's her boss.  Who talks to their boss this way?  She was extremely disrespectful.  He mostly kept his cool, but he was getting annoyed with her & rightly so.  And she was ordering him what to do by literally telling him to speak to someone else or run a package.  He was clearly not pleased by her telling him what to do.

 

Nene Leakes pulled this mess earlier this year during their reunion. She was absolutely rude (I mean, ruder than she normally is), and even asked Andy at one point if he wanted to pull down his pants so she could kiss his ass. Ramona and Nene are two sides of the same coin, really. 

[comatoast]

I know that Aviva is the worst housewife since Eva Braun but sometimes she can be funny. In the preview when Andy asked if it was an insult to call Carole 50 years old and Aviva said "I thought she was older" did make me laugh.

I agree. She is unintentionally funny. Like the other two loons.

[The Evil One]

I don't buy that the infidelity has any impact on the Truth Faith brand. Ramona has never marketed (at least to my perception) to faithful people. She seems "aspirational"; "I am rich and famous, be me!" She is hardly Alexis from RHOC.

[FozzyBear]

I don't buy that the infidelity has any impact on the Truth Faith brand. Ramona has never marketed (at least to my perception) to faithful people. She seems "aspirational"; "I am rich and famous, be me!" She is hardly Alexis from RHOC.

I think (although I could be really wrong) that part is a recent expansion on the line and the original bread and butter was religious medals and jewelry. Stuff marketed toward first communions and confirmations and such. I thought one of Ramona's reasons for doing the show in the first place was to promote the expansion into fashion jewelry.

[comatoast]

I thought the original purpose of the show was to feature women living the high life in NYC.  

Jill, for having shown herself to be an asshole, really did bring more of that to the show than anyone else.

[LoLo]

DailyMail UK has posted an article dated today 8/6 that shows Mario out with Kasey again. It says they were caught eating together this past Saturday. It said that Ramona changed her FB picture from her with Mario & Avery to just her & Avery after this photo was leaked

[ScoobieDoobs]

even asked Andy at one point if he wanted to pull down his pants so she could kiss his ass. Ramona and Nene are two sides of the same coin, really.

 

No, I don't agree.  Nene can get away with a lot more.  Cuz she's still bring enormous ratings with her.  Moaner is not in that position -- at all.

[Almost 3000]

I don't buy that the infidelity has any impact on the Truth Faith brand. Ramona has never marketed (at least to my perception) to faithful people. She seems "aspirational"; "I am rich and famous, be me!" She is hardly Alexis from RHOC.

Ramona doesn't market her jewelry line to people of faith BUT Mario's business which is a family business of which he is the second generation manufactures and sells faith based jewelry, charms, metals, etc. to churches and religious organizations so infidelity and the more serious rumors could indeed effect his business. I was under the impression a lot of his merchandise stocks shelves in Catholic church stores but I could be wrong on that one.

[ScoobieDoobs]

I don't buy that the infidelity has any impact on the Truth Faith brand. Ramona has never marketed (at least to my perception) to faithful people.

 

But it might.  If some of the potential customers are highly religious people, they may be offended or turned off by seeing the owner of the company carrying on a fling with a woman other than his wife in such a public way.  True Faith is made up mostly of jewelry with religious symbols, so it's not exactly a stretch to believe that part (maybe even a significant part) of their potential customer base is made up of highly religious people.

 

Oh wait, am I getting this confused?  Is True Faith Ramona's line or Mario's?

Edited August 7, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[nhanson]

When Sonja and luann were talking about whether or not they left Sonja at the track, lu said that Sonja had been tiptoeing through the tulips. I didn't know what that meant so I looked it up. Apparently it is a reference to lesbians? Did anyone else catch that?

[Trooper York]

Maybe Mario can change his product line to those big medallions that hairy chested guys with leisure suits wear to the disco.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Aw Troop, just goin' out the door with mine on -- and headed to the disco in my leisure suit -- exposed hairy chest (combed as Larry on Three's Company would do) and all.  Maybe I can ask Moaner if she'd come with & put her aerobics outfit on?

Edited August 7, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[The Evil One]

Ramona markets religion like Madonna does; when she wants to sell something.

And I am sorry. I am a Kristin fan. She's not perfect and I hate her tag line. But she gets shit done. I am hopeful of her and Josh (everyone needs a hook,is her real life so much worse than Aviva? dreamworld)

[ryebread]

If Aviva had people in her life that truly cared about her they would call her out on her behavior. Last season Aviva said Reid always says "say what you mean but don't say it mean". She should have taken his advice.

Every one of them should have taken his advice.

 

I guess a lot of us have a problem with 'integrity,' should that word be defined for some reason to mean that Ramona and similar sociopaths who draw first blood and attack people for no fucking reason again and again should receive nothing in return but maybe silence - that that is the only way to show integrity or dignity. 

Nah. I'm only speaking for myself but I would never say that remaining silent is the ONLY way to show integrity or dignity. Although sometimes that's most effective way - let the offender dig themselves their own hole.  No need to muss up my new manicure or have any messy problems with my conscience when I lay my head down at the end of the day. 

 

My point, and I've said it here many (many) times, is that if you (general, you) are so hell bent on getting revenge on the sociopath that you're willing to lower yourself to their level, imo, that makes you no better then the sociopath. Depending on how far you're willing to go to get the revenge, would actually make you a sociopath.