S06.E22: Reunion Part 2

[LotusFlower]

Aviva just insinuated that To Kill a Mockingbird was ghostwritten by Truman Capote (in the First Look)! To me, that's the worst thing she's said so far! Blasphemous! And Andy said something about how she just insulted Harper Lee, who is undoubtedly watching this reunion. It was pretty funny.

[zoeysmom]

Aviva just insinuated that To Kill a Mockingbird was ghostwritten by Truman Capote (in the First Look)! To me, that's the worst thing she's said so far! Blasphemous! And Andy said something about how she just insulted Harper Lee, who is undoubtedly watching this reunion. It was pretty funny.

Truman Capote and Harper were next door neighbors growing up.  Aviva is not the first person to assert that claim and she was probably way over much of the viewing audience's head with the reference.  Harper only wrote one book "To Kill A Mocking Bird" and two essays-so far she is only 88 year old.  Harper also accompanied Capote to Kansas to research his book, "In Cold Blood".  Here is a story by Norman Mailer   http://www.rjellory.com/an-interesting-slant-on-the-truman-capoteharper-lee-relationship-by-norman-mailer/

 

Where Aviva fails is speaking in terms that are a little obscure.  It is easy to act as if that is such an abhorrent comment unless one knows the history and how the paths of the two writers passed over the years. 

Edited August 3, 2014 by zoeysmom

[LotusFlower]

To Kill a Mockingbird is one of the most popular books in American literature. If I can speak for the majority of Americans, Aviva's reference was not obscure , and it certainly didn't go over my head! But I hope Carole feels better about the ghostwriter accusation. She's now in really good company.

[bosawks]

Aviva just insinuated that To Kill a Mockingbird was ghostwritten by Truman Capote (in the First Look)! To me, that's the worst thing she's said so far! Blasphemous! And Andy said something about how she just insulted Harper Lee, who is undoubtedly watching this reunion. It was pretty funny.

 

There's the corresponding rumor that Harper Lee did a great deal of the writing of In Cold Blood.  I had a Lit Prof who said the biggest proof that Truman didn't write it is that he didn't unequivocally take credit for it.  She wasn't a fan......

 

I'd like to believe that Truman would be all over these shows!

Edited August 3, 2014 by bosawks

[LotusFlower]

I'd like to believe that Truman would be all over these shows!

Now THAT makes so much more sense than Harper Lee watching!

[LotusFlower]

When LuAnn was upset with Sonja about the facialist in Montana, Ramona said that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja.  LuAnn said she wasn't, and Ramona replied (maybe under her breath, I can't remember) with something like "yeah you are" and this look of unfettered glee hit her face.  I was shocked at how happy she seemed when she thought she discovered that LuAnn was jealous of Sonja and maybe her relationship with Ramona.  I honestly can't remember, the childishness and meanness that Ramona was showing with that look of pleasure shocked me enough to make me forget the specifics of that conversation.

Which is ironic, because in the First Look, Ramona (addressing Aviva re: book-gate) has the nerve to say that if you hear something negative, it's not ok to repeat it. Ramona, of all people, says this! Andy hasn't yet brought up the subject of Mario, so I'm sure she was thinking of herself.

[NannyPants]

I know. The Harper Lee/ Truman Capote relationship has been the subject of much speculation for many years. Who cares. And if I don't really care who wrote To Kill A Mockingbird, I sure as shit don't give a fuck about Aviva Drescher.

[breezy424]

Aviva's statement about To Kill A Mocking Bird once again shows the kind of person Aviva is.  She said ya know, a lot of people don't know that To Kill A Mocking Bird was written, or done, by Truman Capote.  The fact is that there is no proof that Truman Capote wrote the book.  Speculation?  Yes.  Some circumstantial evidence?  Maybe.  But fact?  No.  And this is what Aviva does.  She spins.  She takes 'rumors' or 'maybes' and repeats them as fact.  Add to that, now she is an expert in the publishing field.  She wrote a first draft.

 

I also find it so 'Aviva' that she even brought this up.  Why?  According to her, she didn't have a ghostwriter but it's what is done in the publishing business.  To me it seemed like a failed passive agressive attempt to say that Carole did have a ghostwriter because writers do but yet at the same time, Aviva didn't.  She went in circles.

Add to that, she makes the statement if someone lies about you, you correct it once and move on.  This is just further proof to me that she is a person with no integrity whatsoever.  Plus a hypocrit.  Who brought their xray to a party to 'prove' they had asthma?  Who kept on showing their inhaler?  Who brought a doctor's note and business cards from their doctor?  Yes, Aviva, if you believe if someone protests to much, they're lying, well then, what about you?

[walnutqueen]

I usually ignore most of the nonsense these women spew, but Aviva managed to shock me out of my stupor by claiming To Kill a Mockingbird was ghostwritten by Truman fucking Capote. 

[comatoast]

I'm not sure if this is part of the First Looks but it is on the Bravo website as a preview. According to Ramona, Harry calls everybody that has hair and...two legs. hee Guess when it comes to Aviva he doesn't go back for seconds.

[walnutqueen]

 I didn't see this on the First Look - I'm sure I'd remember a 2 legged comment!  heh

[comatoast]

 I didn't see this on the First Look - I'm sure I'd remember a 2 legged comment!  heh

It's a clip in which they discuss Harry and Luann leaving the party together. At one point Luann mentions that Harry still calls her, and that's when you hear Ramona's comment while Sonja is saying something else. lol

[ryebread]

Aviva's an ass for bringing up the Truman Capote rumor.  It's been argued about for decades in far more hallowed halls than a Bravo set so I don't understand what she was hoping to prove by bringing out that old, unprovable chestnut.

 

But let's get to Carole.  I'm going to do a shot every time she gets shushed or hand-shushed.  I almost felt sorry for her after watching that clip from the First Look.  In less than a minute she got hand-shushed by Heather twice and by Lulu  once.  To be fair, Heather did the second shush at the same time as Lu so I suppose I should do a double shot?

 

I'd like to see ANYBODY hand shush or regular shush Heather.  LOL.  Somehow I just don't see that happening.

[Midnight Cheese]

There's the corresponding rumor that Harper Lee did a great deal of the writing of In Cold Blood.  I had a Lit Prof who said the biggest proof that Truman didn't write it is that he didn't unequivocally take credit for it.  She wasn't a fan......

 

I'd like to believe that Truman would be all over these shows!

Yeah, ITA - and that particular rumor (that Lee wrote most of ICB) makes much more sense than the one about Lee's own novel.  Ralph Ellison 'only' wrote and controlled the final version of 'Invisible Man' and 2 books of essays (<-- this is in response to the idea that a small, or sole, literary output across a lifetime automatically deserves a raised eyebrow) - the posthumous works were heavily edited and shaped by the appointed literary executor to his estate.  That sole lifetime act of completed, controlled novel-writing was profound beyond what some schmoe like me can write.

 

 

 

Aviva's statement about To Kill A Mocking Bird once again shows the kind of person Aviva is.  She said ya know, a lot of people don't know that To Kill A Mocking Bird was written, or done, by Truman Capote.  The fact is that there is no proof that Truman Capote wrote the book.  Speculation?  Yes.  Some circumstantial evidence?  Maybe.  But fact?  No.  And this is what Aviva does.  She spins.  She takes 'rumors' or 'maybes' and repeats them as fact.  Add to that, now she is an expert in the publishing field.  She wrote a first draft.

 

I also find it so 'Aviva' that she even brought this up.  Why?  According to her, she didn't have a ghostwriter but it's what is done in the publishing business.  To me it seemed like a failed passive agressive attempt to say that Carole did have a ghostwriter because writers do but yet at the same time, Aviva didn't.  She went in circles.

Add to that, she makes the statement if someone lies about you, you correct it once and move on.  This is just further proof to me that she is a person with no integrity whatsoever.  Plus a hypocrit.  Who brought their xray to a party to 'prove' they had asthma?  Who kept on showing their inhaler?  Who brought a doctor's note and business cards from their doctor?  Yes, Aviva, if you believe if someone protests to much, they're lying, well then, what about you?

 

Exactly, breezy424.  This whole way of behaving is very Aviva.  She lacks integrity in every way possible.  She can toss her leg, her X-rays or CAT scans and her medicines as much as she likes, but that, her way of handling discomfort by spitting out accusations, and needing to pretend she has something in common with Harper Lee still add up to one boring, sad woman.

Edited August 3, 2014 by Midnight Cheese

[SFoster21]

I usually ignore most of the nonsense these women spew, but Aviva managed to shock me out of my stupor by claiming To Kill a Mockingbird was ghostwritten by Truman fucking Capote.

Thereby proving that she is no reader! Maybe she wrote her book... but she's never read TC or To Kill or she would know they were not written by the same person.

[zoeysmom]

There's the corresponding rumor that Harper Lee did a great deal of the writing of In Cold Blood.  I had a Lit Prof who said the biggest proof that Truman didn't write it is that he didn't unequivocally take credit for it.  She wasn't a fan......

 

I'd like to believe that Truman would be all over these shows!

Harper Lee wrote the book.  She even based the character DIll on Capote.    I have heard the same as well about Capote and his lack of taking credit-one of the bigger publishing rumors  straight from the "word on the street".  Aviva was trying to get a rise out of Carole and she succeeded.  Didn't Lee Radziwill run around with Capote for many years (as in escorted one another) and they had a falling out over she and her sister befriending Gore Vidal?  I remember Capote and Vidal on the talk show circuit.  I don't think Carole minded be lumped in with Capote and Harper Lee.  Her memoir was good but hardly in the company of "To Kill A Mockingbird" or Capote's works.

 

I don't think Harper Lee is watching RHONYC.  About a year or so ago Vanity Fair had an article about how she was in court because her former agent had essentially stolen the royalties out from under her.  A travesty.  In the story it mentioned she was profoundly deaf and virtually blind.  On thing is for certain she did not get exercised over "the word on the street" or did she ever give any legs to the corresponding "In Cold Blood" rumors.  I remember over the years reading that Capote himself had called "In Cold Blood" a nonfiction novel (and his last full on book), and people have made accusations how he had exaggerated or changed some of the accounts from the interviews.  Always harper Lee was credited with accompanying to Kansas over the years to help him with the interviews.

 

I would have loved to have heard Capote's comments on these shows. 

[LotusFlower]

Of course Harper Lee isn't watching RHONY. Andy was kidding!!

Although Tabatha Takes Over, that's another story....

[Mozelle]

Aviva's statement about To Kill A Mocking Bird once again shows the kind of person Aviva is.  She said ya know, a lot of people don't know that To Kill A Mocking Bird was written, or done, by Truman Capote.  The fact is that there is no proof that Truman Capote wrote the book.  Speculation?  Yes.  Some circumstantial evidence?  Maybe.  But fact?  No.  And this is what Aviva does.  She spins.  She takes 'rumors' or 'maybes' and repeats them as fact.  Add to that, now she is an expert in the publishing field.  She wrote a first draft.

 

I also find it so 'Aviva' that she even brought this up.  Why?  According to her, she didn't have a ghostwriter but it's what is done in the publishing business.  To me it seemed like a failed passive agressive attempt to say that Carole did have a ghostwriter because writers do but yet at the same time, Aviva didn't.  She went in circles.

Add to that, she makes the statement if someone lies about you, you correct it once and move on.  This is just further proof to me that she is a person with no integrity whatsoever.  Plus a hypocrit.  Who brought their xray to a party to 'prove' they had asthma?  Who kept on showing their inhaler?  Who brought a doctor's note and business cards from their doctor?  Yes, Aviva, if you believe if someone protests to much, they're lying, well then, what about you?

 

This is such a great point. Aviva's advice is that if Carole feels like Aviva is lying, Carole should correct the lie once and move on. Meanwhile, Aviva is throwing around asthma paraphernalia, throwing x-rays, and throwing her leg all to prove that she had (at one point?) thirty percent lung capacity. Oh, and to prove that she's not fake.  

[Trooper York]

Has anyone ever seen Luann and Boo Radley in the same place and the same time?

[ScoobieDoobs]

What really annoys me. as a lawyer myself, is Veevs doesn't think like a lawyer.  She contradicts herself constantly (as Moaner correctly stated) & her logic is way off & her so-called evidence makes no sense & accomplishes nothing.  She wants to make a point, but ends up saying meaningless babble.  Whatever she says is always nasty as fuck & insulting.  I'll give her that.  She always manages to horribly insult someone.  She does seem to be talented at that -- if you can call this a talent.

 

She made a big deal about showing the x-rays -- except they do NOT prove her point she has asthma.  She even said herself they showed she doesn't have cancer.  Er, huh????  WTF?  Why show the x-rays at all?  A grand-standing bullshit drama thing with no point at all?  It doesn't prove the story she's whining nobody believes.  I just don't get her, but I'll say this -- her law school education was wasted on her completely.

[LotusFlower]

What really annoys me. as a lawyer myself, is Veevs doesn't think like a lawyer.  She contradicts herself constantly (as Moaner correctly stated) & her logic is way off & her so-called evidence makes no sense & accomplishes nothing.  She wants to make a point, but ends up saying meaningless babble.  Whatever she says is always nasty as fuck & insulting.  I'll give her that.  She always manages to horribly insult someone.  She does seem to be talented at that -- if you can call this a talent.

 

That's funny you say that because in the First Look, I could have sworn I heard Carole say something like "rumor has it you never went to law school..." I'm wondering if she really did go, or maybe she started but didn't graduate. At the very least, I'm guessing she never passed the bar and has never practiced. But you're right - her thinking is all over the place.

[zoeysmom]

What really annoys me. as a lawyer myself, is Veevs doesn't think like a lawyer.  She contradicts herself constantly (as Moaner correctly stated) & her logic is way off & her so-called evidence makes no sense & accomplishes nothing.  She wants to make a point, but ends up saying meaningless babble.  Whatever she says is always nasty as fuck & insulting.  I'll give her that.  She always manages to horribly insult someone.  She does seem to be talented at that -- if you can call this a talent.

 

She made a big deal about showing the x-rays -- except they do NOT prove her point she has asthma.  She even said herself they showed she doesn't have cancer.  Er, huh????  WTF?  Why show the x-rays at all?  A grand-standing bullshit drama thing with no point at all?  It doesn't prove the story she's whining nobody believes.  I just don't get her, but I'll say this -- her law school education was wasted on her completely.

Your point about Aviva's poor lawyering was made when she was discussing STFU-as soon as Kristen said the kids didn't hear it Aviva should have shut up.  If the kids didn't hear the STFU it becomes a non-issue but no Avivia kept arguing the point

 

The X-Rays were a cheap visual aid trick-much like throwing the leg.  It wasn't like OJ trying on the glove.  Aviva's whole problem-drama for drama's sake. 

That's funny you say that because in the First Look, I could have sworn I heard Carole say something like "rumor has it you never went to law school..." I'm wondering if she really did go, or maybe she started but didn't graduate. At the very least, I'm guessing she never passed the bar and has never practiced. But you're right - her thinking is all over the place.

When Andy said to Aviva, "you went to law school."  Carole said, "allegedly."  It was a good line but I don't think Carole was saying she didn't go and graduate and please, Aviva, we don't need to see the diplomas.

Edited August 4, 2014 by zoeysmom

[ScoobieDoobs]

Your point about Aviva's poor lawyering was made when she was discussing STFU-as soon as Kristen said the kids didn't hear it Aviva should have shut up.  If the kids didn't hear the STFU it becomes a non-issue but no Avivia kept arguing the point

 

It's her logic that really baffles me.  How in the fuckety fuck did she get thru law school?  She was saying to Kristen not to curse in front of the kids, which of course she ends up doing & never apologizes for.  And at the reunion, there was still not even a hint of an apology from her.  It was Kristen's kids Aviva cursed in front of, so Kristen should have insisted on an apology from her.

Edited August 4, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[SFoster21]

Harper Lee wrote the book. She even based the character DIll on Capote. I have heard the same as well about Capote and his lack of taking credit-one of the bigger publishing rumors straight from the "word on the street". Aviva was trying to get a rise out of Carole and she succeeded. Didn't Lee Radziwill run around with Capote for many years (as in escorted one another) and they had a falling out over she and her sister befriending Gore Vidal? I remember Capote and Vidal on the talk show circuit. I don't think Carole minded be lumped in with Capote and Harper Lee. Her memoir was good but hardly in the company of "To Kill A Mockingbird" or Capote's works.

I don't think Harper Lee is watching RHONYC. About a year or so ago Vanity Fair had an article about how she was in court because her former agent had essentially stolen the royalties out from under her. A travesty. In the story it mentioned she was profoundly deaf and virtually blind. On thing is for certain she did not get exercised over "the word on the street" or did she ever give any legs to the corresponding "In Cold Blood" rumors. I remember over the years reading that Capote himself had called "In Cold Blood" a nonfiction novel (and his last full on book), and people have made accusations how he had exaggerated or changed some of the accounts from the interviews. Always harper Lee was credited with accompanying to Kansas over the years to help him with the interviews.

I would have loved to have heard Capote's comments on these shows.

Well, Capote did call Jacelyn Susann. "truckdriver in drag," so he would have had some bons mots for our HWs.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Does Veevs say "writer girl" in Part 2?  Was it in First Look?

Edited August 4, 2014 by ScoobieDoobs

[ub40fan]

Other than reading In Cold Blood and watching Truman Capote on Johnny Carson all through the 70's, I'm not that familiar with his life.  And of course I've read TKAM.  I think the biggest argument against Capote writing TKAM is that he did not try to take credit for it.  The man was a slimy two-faced bitch and if he could have, he would have.

Edited August 5, 2014 by ub40fan

[EtheltoTillie]

For what it's worth, Aviva is not listed in the searchable database of admitted New York State attorneys under any names I can think of to search her, such as Drescher, Teichner or Dubin.  (GussieK is proudly listed.)

 

I imagine she never took the bar, or perhaps she took it once and did not pass. 

 

I suppose she actually did graduate, but it's hard to imagine how.

 

As for Truman Capote and Lee Radziwill, I used to watch him on the Merv Griffin show when I was a kid--It was the Watch What Happens Live of its day. 

 

Anyway, the linked article from Vanity Fair (which I actually read back in 1988) tells the sad story of Capote's exile from high society after he published the roman a clef "Answered Prayers."

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/1988/04/truman-capote-198804

Edited August 4, 2014 by GussieK

[Carolina Girl]

To Kill a Mockingbird is one of the most popular books in American literature. If I can speak for the majority of Americans, Aviva's reference was not obscure , and it certainly didn't go over my head! But I hope Carole feels better about the ghostwriter accusation. She's now in really good company.

 

My jaw dropped when she said that.  DO NOT DISS NELLE HARPER LEE!!!

 

Thereby proving that she is no reader! Maybe she wrote her book... but she's never read TC or To Kill or she would know they were not written by the same person."

 

 

Bingo!  Prose style entirely different.  I have read TKAM countless times - favorite book, favorite movie, and all of Capote's works, including the unfinished "Answered Prayers."  I would never have concluded that they were all written by the same person.  She might have, as a new author, sought Capote's advice or even shown him drafts for his critical eye, but write it?  No.  

Edited August 4, 2014 by Carolina Girl

[zoeysmom]

It's her logic that really baffles me.  How in the fuckety fuck did she get thru law school?  She was saying to Kristen not to curse in front of the kids, which of courses she ends up doing & never apologizes for.  And at the reunion, there was still not even a hint of an apology from her.  It was Kristen's kids Aviva cursed in front of, so Kristen shoulda insisted on an apology from her.

As soon as Kristen said the kids didn't hear it-there was no reason to continue the discussion, no rationalizing how kids have heard it before  No apology necessary and no further conversation.  Especially with Kristen, because once you apologize it is not good enough, and she wants to know why you did it,  send you to anger management and then wonder why you don't want to sit and eat lunch with her..   

[islandgal140]

For what it's worth, Aviva is not listed in the searchable database of admitted New York State attorneys under any names I can think of to search her, such as Drescher, Teichner or Dubin.  (GussieK is proudly listed.)

 

It is possible that Aviva went to law school but either never took the bar or took the bar, passed, became admitted and then subsequently let her license lapse. I am admitted in NY and NJ and there are requirements to keeping your license in both states. You have to pay fees and take 24 credits in continuing legal education bi-annually in NY. It is possible that since Aviva didn't want to do any of that so she just let her license lapse, if she had one to begin with. My money is on that she went to law school and never took the bar. She was probably on the hunt for a Mrs. Degree, although going to law school is a dumb way to get it, because that shit ain't easy but not much Aviva does makes sense.

[comatoast]

It's her logic that really baffles me.  How in the fuckety fuck did she get thru law school?  She was saying to Kristen not to curse in front of the kids, which of courses she ends up doing & never apologizes for.  And at the reunion, there was still not even a hint of an apology from her.  It was Kristen's kids Aviva cursed in front of, so Kristen shoulda insisted on an apology from her.

Perhaps she was able to get through law school, and maybe even do very well, because what she was learning wasn't personal. I think Aviva, like Ramona, is very defensive, and when she feels wronged, there is no room for rationalizing in her brain, just for fighting back and hard.

[Ipse Dixit]

I've had a morbid fascination with Truman Capote since he profited from the seriously horrific murders at the center of ICB, so the article about his downfall was required reading.

And glad I did! -- because it permits me to paraphrase none other than Wm. S. Paley in a message to Andy & TPTB, should they decide to give Aviva another season.

I say to them, "Watch another season with Aviva? I started, Andy, but I fell asleep. Then a terrible thing happened: the DVD didn't record. Watch another time? DEAR ME, I can't bother -- I’m preoccupied right now. My viewing time is spent on Modern Family and HGTV and LOGO and Bio. And History."

Ok, it's a very imperfect analogy but there it is, and it IS there.

Edited August 4, 2014 by Ipse Dixit

[islandgal140]

Thanks GussieK for posting that Vanity Fair piece on Truman Capote. Now I am convinced he was a HW at heart. He may not have liked or loved the current crop of women as they are probably to down market for him but I think him and Andy would have been either BFFs or mortal enemies (too much alike to get along) LOL!!!. From the article:

 

Their love of gossip was as consuming as his own, and as long as they believed themselves exempt, which they naïvely did, they laughed when he skewered the others in their group, and they were diverted by his considerable talent for causing discord—the other side of his Pygmalion complex.

Quiet bored him; he delighted in turbulence. When none existed, he would stir it up, then stand back and watch the results. “It was almost an intellectual solitaire that he played,” said Slim. “He would invent something out of whole cloth, an absolute fabrication, and say, ‘Did you know that X is having a walk-out with Y?’ I would say, ‘Oh, Truman, for God’s sake! That’s ridiculous!’ Then I began to think about it more and wondered: is it that ridiculous? And something usually did come of his invention. Whether he willed it into being or not, I don’t know. But he could cause a lot of trouble.”

Over the years his tales, true and false, helped to wreck more than a few friendships and marriages, including, as it was to turn out, her own.

Edited August 4, 2014 by islandgal140

[psychoticstate]

She made a big deal about showing the x-rays -- except they do NOT prove her point she has asthma.  She even said herself they showed she doesn't have cancer.  Er, huh????  WTF?

 

 

Doesn't Aviva know that you always get your cancer test results at Chili's?  Sheesh.

[zoeysmom]

I found the piece about how many people these ladies use to make their lives easier entertaining.  Especially when LuAnn and Heather decide to take Aviva to task over how many nannies she had.  Aviva said something about having one for seven years and BAM-what about when. . . .(the exceptions to there being mor than one nanny) from Heather, Carole and LuAnn with a hint of Kristen.  I think they were expecting Aviva to say a higher number (apparently she hires extra help while shooting) and were prepared to call her out for exaggerating the number .

 

So it left me with the question how many 'nannies'  are needed in a household?   I remember LuAnn having a nanny for her 12 and 14 year kids, the nanny took a cooking lesson from Bethenny and was seen cleaning the house.  So I presumed she cooked and cleaned whatever house they were in. Let's see Kristen has a 24/5 nanny who apparently neither cooks nor cleans judging by their comments about the food situation in the house and the condition of their home.  Aviva and Reid have two young children together and two pre-teens with their exes.  Does one hire nannies according to brood number or level of their involvement with the children?  When  I think of nannies I think of the British nanny where there is some training involved.  So maybe the better words are housekeepers and babysitters. 

[Satchels of gold]

Doesn't Aviva know that you always get your cancer test results at Chili's?  Sheesh.

Funniest comment I've read all day. Because you know Chillis is the Sloan Kettering of chain restaurants!

[psychoticstate]

Funniest comment I've read all day. Because you know Chillis is the Sloan Kettering of chain restaurants!

 

Well, Wig was an RN (ALLEGEDLY, TM Carole Radziwill) and knows K-A-T spells cat.  So she would surely know where you go to await test results!

[Tara Ariano]

Part 2 of 3. The ladies reunite. Included: Tension surges when Aviva and Carole address their feud; drama revolves around Ramona and Heather; and LuAnn confronts Sonja about their wilting friendship.

[EtheltoTillie]

Wig was an LPN, which is only one step above a CNA (the workers who work in nursing homes) or HHA (home health aide), but she always fudged it when speaking to let people assume she was an RN.  She once flashed the license on screen, and it said licensed practical nurse. 

 

But I think the same is true of Luann.  I think she was an LPN.

Edited August 4, 2014 by GussieK

[psychoticstate]

Thank you, Gussie.  I can't believe I gave Wig more credit than she deserves.  Although I guess assuming that Wig's brain focuses on anything other than money and d*ck would be gving her more credit than she deserves.

 

I can buy LuAnn as an LPN or even an RN - - she is clearly intelligent (pirates aside).

[Muffyn]

For what it's worth, Aviva is not listed in the searchable database of admitted New York State attorneys under any names I can think of to search her, such as Drescher, Teichner or Dubin.  (GussieK is proudly listed.)

 

I imagine she never took the bar, or perhaps she took it once and did not pass. 

 

I suppose she actually did graduate, but it's hard to imagine how.

Someone has to be last in their class.  What do you call the person at the bottom on their med school class that still graduated?  Doctor.  (a very old joke)  

[DeeplyShallow]

For what it's worth, Aviva is not listed in the searchable database of admitted New York State attorneys under any names I can think of to search her, such as Drescher, Teichner or Dubin. (GussieK is proudly listed.)

I imagine she never took the bar, or perhaps she took it once and did not pass.

I suppose she actually did graduate, but it's hard to imagine how.

As for Truman Capote and Lee Radziwill, I used to watch him on the Merv Griffin show when I was a kid--It was the Watch What Happens Live of its day.

Anyway, the linked article from Vanity Fair (which I actually read back in 1988) tells the sad story of Capote's exile from high society after he published the roman a clef "Answered Prayers."

http://www.vanityfair.com/society/features/1988/04/truman-capote-198804

Such a great read, thank you!

[mbaywife123]

Go LuAnn go! Karma is a bitch and so is Ramona.

[Lola16]

LuAnn was an LPN.

[zoeysmom]

Ramona gives an interview about this season.  When asked about she and Mario she declines to comment.  I guess Andy got lucky getting a rise out of her:  http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/alternative-wifestyles-hurt-new-york-singer-article-1.1891667

 

Ramona's reasoning sounds as if it came from someone connected with production.  Interesting she will not talk about family but with the exception of Sonja the others don't put it out there.   Can one really have it both ways?

 

I tried to decide where to post this-it is about the entire season and cast so the Reunion seemed appropriate.  Coupled with Ramona's refusal to speak it seemed to fit best here. 

[motorcitymom65]

Ramona gives an interview about this season.  When asked about she and Mario she declines to comment.  I guess Andy got lucky getting a rise out of her:  http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/confidential/alternative-wifestyles-hurt-new-york-singer-article-1.1891667

 

Ramona's reasoning sounds as if it came from someone connected with production.  Interesting she will not talk about family but with the exception of Sonja the others don't put it out there.   Can one really have it both ways?

 

I tried to decide where to post this-it is about the entire season and cast so the Reunion seemed appropriate.  Coupled with Ramona's refusal to speak it seemed to fit best here. 

Thanks for posting that article Zoeysmom.  It is interesting to think that Ramona actually believes that she and Sonja "carry the show". 

[Gumby]

How sad that I am so excited after seeing the segment preview just now with Ramona V. Andy.

 

ETA: Bleh.

Edited August 6, 2014 by Gumby

[TexasGal]

Harper Lee...Truman Capote...Aviva Drescher. The only time these names will be used together is discussion of this reunion. Aviva, you and your "village" can't get anywhere near Harper Lee or Truman Capote. STFU

[phoenix780]

Fuck it.  I loved Ramona tonight.  I have to confess.

 

I agreed with her on the real estate conversation- different communities have different levels of cachet, and I'm not sure why that's controversial.  

 

And I get that she's on a reality show, and that she picked at Luann about the same issue, but I still LOVED the way she handled Andy.  He may not be on a reality show but he's made a fortune (and his name) pimping these women.  Frankly, I think he's either done a crap job (his early days especially) or gotten way inappropriate with them.  So, I thoroughly enjoyed watching one of them shut him down.  The exchange about his backdoor questions ("did they support you in this time of need") and how she refused to even acknowledge that there was a time of need were brilliant, imho.  Or if not brilliant, they were...delicious.  She refused to make it real, the other women didn't really jump in to activate the conversation, and he couldn't get around it.  I could watch that shit all day.

 

Also- Luann's comment wasn't as hardcore as I'd anticipated.  Good for her.  

 

I enjoyed Heather's response about giving Ramona a pass, and her comment about how the husbands didn't sign up.  Although I don't agree with that because they profit, or at least Kristen's did (eboost, anyone?).  And, y'know, they get airtime (well, Kristen's did, and others have in the past).

[JAYJAY1979]

So far, not as much yelling and out talking each other... at least compared to Season 4's reunion.  I wonder if that is being saved for Part 3 next week.

Edited August 6, 2014 by JAYJAY1979