S18.E05: Bottle Up and Explode!

[Bort]

The Grey Sloan doctors spring into action after an explosion rocks Seattle, with the incoming trauma hitting close to home. Owen experiences PTSD after he hears the explosion, while his sister Megan enlists help from Winston and Hayes in confidence. In Minnesota, Meredith and Amelia meet up with a familiar face who assists in their study.

Airdate: 11 Nov 2021

[funnygirl]

A big ol' crossover "event" and Meredith won't even be in Seattle to deal with it. 

Have I mentioned that the Minnesota plot is boring? Isolating "the sun" from the rest of the cast in favor of new-characters-for-plot is one of many (many!) signs that the show has run out of (good) stories to tell. 

Someone tell me who dies tonight. It's probably a Station 19 character, though I wish it were all of the Grey's residents. 

Edited November 11, 2021 by funnygirl

[ams1001]

9 hours ago, funnygirl said:

Someone tell me who dies tonight. It's probably a Station 19 character, though I wish it were all of the Grey's residents. 

I half-watched the second half of S19; unless there's a twist coming it's one of them but I know like three characters' names on that show (and two of them are from Grey's).

Gee, Bailey, you think maybe Ben's not answering his phone because he's busy with that little explosion?

No, Ben, you don't get to agree to take on a baby without discussing it with your wife, even if you think it's unlikely to happen.

Edited November 12, 2021 by ams1001

[LexieLily]

45 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

No, Ben, you don't get to agree to take on a baby without discussing it with your wife, even if you think it's unlikely to happen.

Yeah, and as cute as that scene in the hallway was it was also manipulative as hell for Ben to spring the actual toddler child on her (as cute as she is). 

Meredith's Minnesota plot is entirely separate from the rest of the show. It's strange. At least Amelia has Link and Scout to anchor her to Seattle. But I did appreciate Meredith setting Peter Gallagher straight that as long as Tom Koracick's sleeping partners are consenting adults there's nothing to be pissed about.

Can they telegraph it any harder that something is going to happen with McWidow and Owen's sister? To a lesser extent Amelia and the non-binary doc. I don't understand why they won't let Amelia and Link talk to each other properly.

[Daisy]

Grey's: Miller died.
Me: Who?
Greys: everyone is crying. 
Me: Who is he?
Greys: Miller is gone?! Omg  what about Prue?
Me: Whose Prue?
Greys: this is so sad.
Me: BUT WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!
Grey's: Oh what about Hughes
Me: Who is  Hughes?
Grey: We should tell her
Me: oh is she the chick who is high?
Grey: this guy is crying. 
Me: who is this guy who is crying?

I do not watch Station 19. I shouldn't be watching Grey's and be utterly confused and questioning these things. and then you have these people being dead and i'm supposed to be verklempt that they are dying and i have zero idea who they are. you can't assume everyone watched part one of this event. 

Bailey is mad that Ben said they'll take this Prue (who is like a baby i gathered) and Ben pointed out Bailey let  their other son come to their house w/o asking him.(good point Ben, but there is always a double standard there with her so).

If i had been McIrish and Winston i would have told Megan to leave. sheessh.

Once again. I wouldn't let any of these residents touch me. 

Tom. I missed you. I didn't realize how much until I saw you. 

Jo i hate your hair please change it.

[ams1001]

5 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Yeah, and as cute as that scene in the hallway was it was also manipulative as hell for Ben to spring the actual toddler child on her (as cute as she is). 

Also unless her dad actually had something official in writing stating that Ben and Miranda would be her guardians in the event of his death, her grandparents (or other family member) would be the next in line to take her, unless they are unable to (and judging from the preview her grandfather appears healthy enough). And even if he did, a family court judge could probably override that if they feel it's in the best interests of the child.

Edited November 12, 2021 by ams1001

[DEL901]

So, there was a couple of big explosions and they let a doctor sit in on a surgery and hold her son’s hand?  I thought it was an all hands on deck emergency?

And, of course, Owen wills himself to get past PTSD, because that’s all it takes 

Loved seeing Tom.  Glad that Irish has moved on to Hunt’s sister.  Amelia is interested in the Minnesota doctor and vice versa.  
 

 

[KaveDweller]

4 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Bailey is mad that Ben said they'll take this Prue (who is like a baby i gathered) and Ben pointed out Bailey let  their other son come to their house w/o asking him.(good point Ben, but there is always a double standard there with her so).

But Bailey has a point that taking in a 17-year-old is very different than taking in a toddler. One of those things needs a lot more attention.

For Bailey's sake I hope Miller put something in writing, because Prue has two sets of rich grandparents who would probably want custody. I even think one set was trying to get custody from Miller and then they dropped the story. I'd be pissed if I only watched Station 19 and all this played out on a different show. Usually the crossovers don't have important stuff in them. 

Also, did it just occur to Jo that she needed a plan for Luna in case something happened to her?

The Minnesota story is boring, but I did like Meredith's response to Peter Gallagher being upset about Koracic sleeping with his daughter. And her shutting down the idea that the FDA would ignore a Parkinson's cure because of who someone had sex with.

[ams1001]

3 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

So, there was a couple of big explosions and they let a doctor sit in on a surgery and hold her son’s hand?  I thought it was an all hands on deck emergency?

Apparently most of the victims went to the other hospital in town..?

And no, just because she's a doctor doesn't mean a parent gets to sit in on her kid's surgery. 

[windsprints]

That was like watching clips from 4 different shows spliced together. I didn't know who half the people were (see Daisy's post above!), part in another city (bored), Owen & then the rest. Worst episode of the season IMO. 

[statsgirl]

Travis: We need to tell Vic right away that Dean's died.  [Me: Don't! she's just been electrocuted, don't shock her with this! ] Bailey takes Travis to tell her, Vic's heart stops.

Only one person is allowed to be a visitor in CCU. Why are all three of them sitting at Vic's bedsie all night?

Speaking of extra privileges, I hate when someone entitled pulls rank. No other parent would have been allowed to sit in on Farouk's surgery and Meghan just walked in there and sat down like it was her right.

13 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Bailey is mad that Ben said they'll take this Prue (who is like a baby i gathered) and Ben pointed out Bailey let  their other son come to their house w/o asking him.(good point Ben, but there is always a double standard there with her so).

Probably another reason why Ben didn't tell her, she's not the most reasonable person reacting to a surprise.

[funnygirl]

On 11/11/2021 at 7:00 PM, LexieLily said:

Can they telegraph it any harder that something is going to happen with McWidow and Owen's sister? To a lesser extent Amelia and the non-binary doc. I don't understand why they won't let Amelia and Link talk to each other properly.

Especially in the past five or so years, Grey's Anatomy has been anything but subtle. 

Now we know why tptb unnecessarily broke up Riggs and Owen's sister, so she can keep McWidow preoccupied and away from Meredith while the almighty sun hooks up with Derek's doppelgänger.

As for Amelia and Link, who viewers had the audacity to enjoy, why allow a couple - with a child no less - be functional and have grown up conversation? They, too, had to be broken up so that PC's Anatomy could check off another box.*

*to be clear, representation matters. but it falls flat and is disingenuous when it's at the expense of established storytelling, and that's exactly what is happening with Link and Amelia in favor of Amelia and Minnesota doctor #3. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by funnygirl

[LexieLily]

1 minute ago, funnygirl said:

Now we know why tptb unnecessarily broke up Riggs and Owen's sister, so she can keep McWidow preoccupied and away from Meredith while the almighty sun hooks up with Derek's doppelgänger.

As for Amelia and Link, who viewers had the audacity to enjoy, why allow a couple - with a child no less - be functional and have grown up conversation? They, too, had to be broken up so that Politically Correct's Anatomy could check off another box.*

*to be clear, representation matters. but it falls flat when it's at the expense of established storytelling, and that's exactly what is happening with Link and Amelia in favor of Amelia and Minnesota doctor #3. 

Amelia and Link are clearly broken up at this point but I still say she won't be happy that Link decided to take on Luna should anything happen to Jo.

[Daisy]

36 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

But Bailey has a point that taking in a 17-year-old is very different than taking in a toddler. One of those things needs a lot more attention.

yeah - but it doesn't change the fact that she brought said 17 year old into their house and had adoption plans already in her head without discussing it. I don't think that was right, and i don't think this is right either. both of these people do things without discussing it with each other (like 98% of of this show)

[Chewy101]

2 hours ago, Daisy said:

3 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

But Bailey has a point that taking in a 17-year-old is very different than taking in a toddler. One of those things needs a lot more attention.

yeah - but it doesn't change the fact that she brought said 17 year old into their house and had adoption plans already in her head without discussing it. I don't think that was right, and i don't think this is right either. both of these people do things without discussing it with each other (like 98% of of this show)

The narcissisms in surgeons is phenomenal. They get too good at making quick decisions and I can only imagine how being married to a fake doctor or fake firefighter would be a rollercoaster from hell. Anyway, unless Millar signed a will for this, the kid is going with next of kin. 

And what is with this non binary character? If I am supposed to call them "they" or "them," then how come "they" referred to themselves as "I" instead of "we?" How much more controlling can people get? I feel like if I don't get this stuff right I might be denied a seat on the bus. It's so confusing.  

Don't paramedics have to keep up with sirens and CPR until a doctor calls time of death? Unless a coroner was on scene to authorize a siren free transport? Of course, you suspend reality to watch these types of shows, but I'm just curious. I get first responder training but I don't know squat about hospital politics. All I know is if that was my loved one showing up in the ambulance I'd like to think even if they knew my loved was as good as dead, don't turn the freaking sirens off and call it yourself, get a doctor. But it was nice to see the closest to realistic chest compressions that I've seen in awhile.  

Why would you tell someone blitzed out on drugs with a heart injury that her person had died. No reason! 

Miranda talking about wanting a little girl so she can comb her hair.... Reminds me of her lecturing Derek for not coming Zola's hair on the mornings he was in charge of her. "Comb your baby's hair!"

The manipulative musical montage that you can count on happening on this and Station before... They are so over the top for some, but I watch Hallmark Christmas specials and live for it. I watch so many documentaries and face the dreary realities. I feel like everybody's story needs an ear. This candy is the closest thing I have to a sweet tooth. But the series is fragmented. The actress who plays Maggie should pay some kind of fine for getting pregnant and bloated RIGHT when they return filming. She finally became a character I came to really love, this trio of sisters. Meredith and Amelia should not be frolicking in MN, unless there is a spinoff happening? Again? There isn't a single character I hate, but the point of the show was the "second family" stuff because they all practically live at the hospital. 

Amelia being the Callie to the next Arizona is a recycled plot. 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by Chewy101

[chocolatine]

It's like every other episode is a "crossover event" now. If neither of the shows can have strong enough storylines independently of each other, they both need to be canceled.

I enjoyed watching Greg Germann antagonize Peter Gallagher, but the Minnesota plot is still a dud. I really liked E.R. Fightmaster on Shrill, but their performance on Grey's so far doesn't do anything for me.

What exactly does Scott Speedman's character do? I thought he was a doctor but we've never seen him practice medicine. Is he an administrator? Also, I remember that he appeared on the show many years ago and that's how he and Meredith know each other, but I'm completely blanking on what his storyline was back then. Did Meredith save his life and he's carried a torch for her ever since? If so, ew.

[LittlePeas3]

2 hours ago, chocolatine said:

It's like every other episode is a "crossover event" now. If neither of the shows can have strong enough storylines independently of each other, they both need to be canceled.

I enjoyed watching Greg Germann antagonize Peter Gallagher, but the Minnesota plot is still a dud. I really liked E.R. Fightmaster on Shrill, but their performance on Grey's so far doesn't do anything for me.

What exactly does Scott Speedman's character do? I thought he was a doctor but we've never seen him practice medicine. Is he an administrator? Also, I remember that he appeared on the show many years ago and that's how he and Meredith know each other, but I'm completely blanking on what his storyline was back then. Did Meredith save his life and he's carried a torch for her ever since? If so, ew.

I thought Scott Speedman's character was a transplant specialist.  He was helping with a transplant at Seattle Grace, whether it was harvesting an organ or picking it up. I can't recall, but he collapsed as he had returned to work very soon after having a kidney transplant himself.  

I love the Tom character with anyone other than Teddy and Owen.  I actually liked him with Teddy initially, until the writers decided to pair her with both him and Owen, Tom had so much potential.  It was nice to see him in Minnesota - the rest of Minnesota was beyond boring.  

The cross over events are boring.  They could have at least had a mass trauma event, but then again, there would have been no Bailey drama, as she would have been operating, and with Mer and Amelia in Minnesota and Maggie out of action too, who was going to operate?

I don't see the point of having Meghan stay. What is her specialty? I would far rather prefer Mer with McWidow.  Their split was very lamely done.  I loved the idea of Cristina sending the perfect man to Meredith.  Then again, I loved her with Riggs.  Splitting Meghan and Riggs just disappointed me.  They brought her back from the dead, split up him and Mer, had them move away and then she comes back without him, telling us they were broken up.  

I think I would have preferred Jo with McWidow rather than pairing her with Link, because Link and Amelia were my favourite couple last season.  The potential pairing of Amelia with the non-binary doctor is disappointing.  I am surprised at Tom's tact, or even that he had the tact to not mention Link and her family again.  That was so out of character. 

I never thought I would say that I missed Maggie, but I am.  

[Laurie4H]

So now Amelia is interested in a woman? Or is she not a woman since the actress is a they?  I’m open minded but I feel like it’s forced for some political agenda.  Did Amelia ever have an interest in anyone other than men before?  It’s really not as common as this show makes it.  Just like with Teddy, we find out she had a relationship with a woman.  And several other story lines where people just switch it up. 
Jo’s reference of the Partridge Family was  odd.   Maybe 15, 20 years ago it would still be nostalgic but it seems like most of the old shows are almost forgotten with the thousands of options we have now.  

[ams1001]

6 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

And what is with this non binary character? If I am supposed to call them "they" or "them," then how come "they" referred to themselves as "I" instead of "we?" How much more controlling can people get? I feel like if I don't get this stuff right I might be denied a seat on the bus. It's so confusing.  

Because they're still just one person? I don't know what you find controlling about it but "they" and "them" as singular pronouns is not exactly new. Most people just aren't used to using them when it refers to someone whose gender is known to the speaker. ("You" used to be plural, too; "thou" was the singular.)

2 hours ago, Laurie4H said:

So now Amelia is interested in a woman? Or is she not a woman since the actress is a they?  I’m open minded but I feel like it’s forced for some political agenda.  Did Amelia ever have an interest in anyone other than men before?  It’s really not as common as this show makes it.  Just like with Teddy, we find out she had a relationship with a woman.  And several other story lines where people just switch it up. 

This is my problem here. I have no issue with someone getting into a relationship with a non-binary character, but I don't remember if that possibility is in keeping with what we know of Amelia's backstory. That said, I admittedly remember much less of the show/character history than a lot of people, apparently, so it might be. But I have no idea and we haven't seen it since she's been on Grey's as far as I know, so it just feels a bit out of the blue.

2 hours ago, Laurie4H said:

Jo’s reference of the Partridge Family was  odd.   Maybe 15, 20 years ago it would still be nostalgic but it seems like most of the old shows are almost forgotten with the thousands of options we have now.  

Even for someone who didn't grow up watching TV, Brady Bunch would have made more sense as something someone of Jo's age would think to reference. But I guess that was the point...she didn't watch TV. (Did you know she lived in her car?)

[RedbirdNelly]

It was surprising that Jo managed to not mention sleeping in her car.

I started watching Station 19 to follow cross overs better. It's my show I don't have to pay attention to (had it on while doing push ups; figure not seeing the screen wouldn't really matter). It's not very good. This is probably the first crossover where watching Station 19 filled in some gaps. Normally it doesn't matter at all. 

If you adopt a child single like Jo did, I would hope you got a will in place from the get go. As it happened for me, we signed our wills and our oldest arrived about 12 hours later.  If Miller did not actually put it in writing, the Pru storyline is going to be especially bad. There would be no basis for her to go with Bailey/Warren and to act like there was would be silly.

I am so disappointed, again, that they advertised a death but yet Glasses lives. At least if you are not going to kill him off, kill off Helm.

I wanted Winston to tell Owen's sister we're not starting until you leave. It was idiotic for her to waltz in there for so many reasons. 

Minnesota storyline is so dull. I mean who doesn't want to watch supposedly super surgeons stand around and inject stuff and try to come up with new exciting way to inject things. I guess that's how research medicine works. Not. 

 

[DEL901]

I thought glasses was on the verge of flirting with the grieving fireman.   On the plus side, they could then get rid of ortho guy.  And maybe glasses could move over to Station 19.  

[BoogieBurns]

4 hours ago, Laurie4H said:

So now Amelia is interested in a woman? Or is she not a woman since the actress is a they?  I’m open minded but I feel like it’s forced for some political agenda.  Did Amelia ever have an interest in anyone other than men before?

Yes, Amelia had a massive crush on Carina. She got in the MRI (or CT?) machine to help Carina with her masturbation study solely because Amelia wanted to get in good with Carina. Then they found the tumor.

Later, Amelia tries to ask Carina to join her and Link (or was it Owen?) for a threesome.

Since Kai is non-binary, Amelia's crush on them isn't a crush on a girl, it's a crush on a non-binary person. Which would put Amelia in the pansexual or queer category. As opposed to bisexual.

I watched this with my (boomer) mom last night and she tried so hard on Kai's pronouns, it was really cute. "Amelia wants to date they?" Lol. No Mom, "Amelia wants to date them!" 

[suetoo]

First time posting here.  I have never missed a Grey's Anatomy episode, but last night's was beyond the pale.  Please stop trying to make these crossover events happen.  They are not going to work.  I don't care about that other show at all, and Bailey's husband was much more interesting as a doctor than as a firefighter.  And the acting on the part of the Station 19 cast was just awful.  I swore I'd stay with this show until the end, but I don't know how much more of this I can take.  I was bored out of my mind.  

[ams1001]

37 minutes ago, RedbirdNelly said:

There would be no basis for her to go with Bailey/Warren and to act like there was would be silly.

Yeah, I don't want to see a of custody fight just because Ben made some kind of pinky promise. Or see Bailey going to pieces over a little girl she barely knows. (And again, unless there's official paperwork filed somewhere and they can pull it out that day, I doubt they'd even get to take her home for the night.)

[Laurie4H]

37 minutes ago, BoogieBurns said:

Since Kai is non-binary, Amelia's crush on them isn't a crush on a girl, it's a crush on a non-binary person. Which would put Amelia in the pansexual or queer category. As opposed to bisexual.

But was it mentioned she was non binary?  She looks like a woman so Amelia probably looks at her like she is a woman.  Unless I missed something.  

Edited November 12, 2021 by Laurie4H

[ams1001]

5 minutes ago, Laurie4H said:

But was it mentioned she was non binary?  She looks like a woman so Amelia probably looks at her like she is a woman.  Unless I missed something.  

Not sure if they've used the word on the show but the pronouns are consistently they/them (including on the Grey's wiki character page). The actor's wiki says they're non-binary (but also has been credited as "Emily"). On a side note, their name is E.R. Fightmaster (and the wiki page clarifies that this is indeed their real surname) which is awesome.

On a side side note, it always amuses me that the fandom wiki lists whether a character is alive or not. I don't know if they do this for all shows but it's pretty helpful here.

[ams1001]

1 hour ago, BoogieBurns said:

Yes, Amelia had a massive crush on Carina. She got in the MRI (or CT?) machine to help Carina with her masturbation study solely because Amelia wanted to get in good with Carina. Then they found the tumor.

Ah. See? No memory for these things.

[Daisy]

59 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Yeah, I don't want to see a of custody fight just because Ben made some kind of pinky promise. Or see Bailey going to pieces over a little girl she barely knows. (And again, unless there's official paperwork filed somewhere and they can pull it out that day, I doubt they'd even get to take her home for the night.)

that's what I don't get. especially if this guy who died asked Ben twice to take care of his kid, that thing should be written and legalized. Bailey goes all "the grandparents will take the kid." guess what the previews show. And it will be on that show, and we'll miss it. so like what's the point of bringing it on Greys?

[ams1001]

Just now, Daisy said:

And it will be on that show, and we'll miss it. so like what's the point of bringing it on Greys?

I guess that could go either way which show it's on; If Bailey's the one having the big crisis over it they might keep it mostly on Grey's. But I'm still not watching S19. The only reason I (half-)watched any of it last night was because I don't really watch the show that's on after Young Sheldon, so I just changed the channel after that so I wouldn't have to pay attention to the time (I was mostly catching up on the Jeopardy thread on my computer). The only characters I could identify were Ben, Carina, and the one who was electrocuted (I actually turned it on just after that happened, apparently...she was hanging unconscious on the fire truck's ladder when I got there but I didn't know why) and all I know about her is her first name.

(I'm assuming there's no official legally-binding agreement for Ben to take the daughter in the event of dad's death because if they actually set something up legally they'd have to include Ben's wife in that. Especially if there was a lawyer involved.)

[taanja]

12 hours ago, Daisy said:

Grey's: Miller died.
Me: Who?
Greys: everyone is crying. 
Me: Who is he?
Greys: Miller is gone?! Omg  what about Prue?
Me: Whose Prue?
Greys: this is so sad.
Me: BUT WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!
Grey's: Oh what about Hughes
Me: Who is  Hughes?
Grey: We should tell her
Me: oh is she the chick who is high?
Grey: this guy is crying. 
Me: who is this guy who is crying?

OMG! Me in a nutshell! ^^^^^^^

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?????????

anyway Irish doc and Owens sister (whatshername) are so gonna hook up. Same with Jo and Linc. and I guess Amelia and that women in MN?

I am glad Koracick is back!  I would so fuck him just to see what the hype is about! Is he worth it? Does he have skilz in bed? anyway his appearance made me more interested in the crap going in in Minnesota.

I don't care about Own and never will.

Ben(?) is Bailey's husband (?) and he agreed to take a child (say what?) So I am to understand that babies can just be passed back and forth all willy nilly cuz two people got to talking and agreed to such a thing?  Like Linc and Jo at the end. Yeah I'll take Luna - no prob- if something happens to you. Hm? sure?

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, taanja said:

Ben(?) is Bailey's husband (?) and he agreed to take a child (say what?) So I am to understand that babies can just be passed back and forth all willy nilly cuz two people got to talking and agreed to such a thing?  Like Linc and Jo at the end. Yeah I'll take Luna - no prob- if something happens to you. Hm? sure?

I mean, you can designate someone to be your child's guardian if something happens to you (and you should) but if that person is not the obvious next of kin (and even if they are) you really need to get a family lawyer and set it up properly. Social services probably isn't going to accept "I told my friend/coworker I'd take her" if there are family members willing and able to step up. (Or even if there aren't; I'm guessing the friend would have to be approved as a foster parent, and the child will go to an already-approved foster home until that happens, and then go through whatever process after that to adopt.)

But it's Grey's World, so of course kids just go wherever the writers' whim takes them.

[taanja]

14 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I mean, you can designate someone to be your child's guardian if something happens to you (and you should) but if that person is not the obvious next of kin (and even if they are) you really need to get a family lawyer and set it up properly. Social services probably isn't going to accept "I told my friend/coworker I'd take her" if there are family members willing and able to step up. (Or even if there aren't; I'm guessing the friend would have to be approved as a foster parent, and the child will go to an already-approved foster home until that happens, and then go through whatever process after that to adopt.)

But it's Grey's World, so of course kids just go wherever the writers' whim takes them.

Yes! That's what I meant! They made it sound like it was just a verbal agreement. (Example like Linc and Jo) is all that is needed. 

[iMonrey]

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Grey's: Miller died.
Me: Who?
Greys: everyone is crying. 
Me: Who is he?
Greys: Miller is gone?! Omg  what about Prue?
Me: Whose Prue?
Greys: this is so sad.
Me: BUT WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE?!

That's me too. I don't know if the network assumes everyone who watches Greys also watches Station 19, or if they are just trying to force the issue with all these cross-over stories. But the problem is that for those of us who don't watch Station 19, killing off characters from that show on Grey's has no emotional impact, whatsoever. They might as well be random characters who wandered into the hospital. And if I watch Station 19 but not Grey's, I would resent the fact that characters from my show died on some other show. I'm still pissed that DeLuca was killed off on another show. (I know he actually died on this show but whatever happened to him happened on that other show.)

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Since Kai is non-binary, Amelia's crush on them isn't a crush on a girl, it's a crush on a non-binary person.

I only know the character's name and that they are non-binary because I read this forum. It has not been made clear on the show. I just assumed she was a lesbian. I'm guessing the reason people know this is a non-binary character is because they read it somewhere else. 

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*to be clear, representation matters. but it falls flat when it's at the expense of established storytelling, and that's exactly what is happening with Link and Amelia in favor of Amelia and Minnesota doctor #3.

I realize they have established that Amelia is somewhere in the middle of the Kinsey scale, but this show has gone this route far too often with its female characters, and I find it a rather dangerous message that reinforces the idea that women can "choose" to be non-hetero, usually after a failed relationship with a man. You know what would be far more interesting? If it were Linc who was interested in this new doctor. Now that's a story.

[ams1001]

5 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I only know the character's name ... because I read this forum. 

lol...me, too. I had deduced that the character was non-binary but I have not retained the name (I guess they must have used it when they were first introduced...but that was several episodes ago and I do not recall). I think someone mentioned it in a previous episode thread and then it was mentioned in this one and both times I was like, "oh, is that their name? okay."

[kurtz]

11 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

Amelia being the Callie to the next Arizona is a recycled plot. 

 

I was thinking “Erica Hahn”, but otherwise  yes. 

This episode was dreadful. 

[Madding crowd]

I agree this was a boring episode. I think the non binary actor who plays the doctor has a very wooden delivery. Not sure why Amelia would be in love with them, it seems like they had very little time together. Meredith as usual is swanning around as if she is the sun to all people. I don’t watch Station 19 so don’t know any of the characters except Ben and Carina. 

[Lovecat]

3 hours ago, Laurie4H said:

But was it mentioned she was non binary?  She looks like a woman so Amelia probably looks at her like she is a woman.  Unless I missed something.  

 

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I only know the character's name and that they are non-binary because I read this forum. It has not been made clear on the show. I just assumed she was a lesbian. I'm guessing the reason people know this is a non-binary character is because they read it somewhere else. 

 

1 hour ago, ams1001 said:

lol...me, too. I had deduced that the character was non-binary but I have not retained the name (I guess they must have used it when they were first introduced...but that was several episodes ago and I do not recall). I think someone mentioned it in a previous episode thread and then it was mentioned in this one and both times I was like, "oh, is that their name? okay."

During the character's first introduction, Amelia started babbling on and on (fangirling, really) about how much of a rockstar researcher they were.  My impression was that Amelia knew them from her academic career.  Kai is a PhD, I believe, and Amelia a physician, so perhaps their paths crossed in postgraduate studies?  IDK, all I remember is that Amelia kept hitting the THEY really hard during that monologue, so we, the audience, would pick up on Kai's non-binary identification without it having to be explicitly explained.  A very awkward example of "show, don't tell." 

[Pallas]

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If I am supposed to call them "they" or "them," then how come "they" referred to themselves as "I" instead of "we?" 

Because "I" is gender-neutral, unlike "she" or "he."  In English, it's (only) third-person singular pronouns that signify gender, and default to plural to signify an individual of unknown, multiple, fluid, or no gender.

[jcbrown]

I can see that this episode would have been really annoying if you didn't watch Station 19. I do watch that (sometimes I wonder why) and so I actually enjoyed this one, minus the snoozefest in Minnesota and Owen's sister and Owen. That is rather qualified praise, come to think of it.

[Daisy]

8 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I'm still pissed that DeLuca was killed off on another show. (I know he actually died on this show but whatever happened to him happened on that other show.)

me too. like i have no idea what happened with the child  prostitute  ring and how DeLuca got hurt. Someone said it above and I agree. if the show(s) aren't good/strong enough anymore to  stand on their own, then maybe it's time to pull the plug on both. Because Buffy/Angel, Xena/Hercules, hell even SHE-RA/HE-MAN didn't have as many crossovers as this show. 

[madmax]

22 hours ago, LexieLily said:

Amelia and Link are clearly broken up at this point but I still say she won't be happy that Link decided to take on Luna should anything happen to Jo.

If Amelia is not his wife or significant other, it doesn't matter how she feels if Link takes Luna.

11 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I thought glasses was on the verge of flirting with the grieving fireman.   On the plus side, they could then get rid of ortho guy.  And maybe glasses could move over to Station 19.  

I caught that vibe, too.  But it could be Glasses' delivery.

9 hours ago, iMonrey said:

That's me too. I don't know if the network assumes everyone who watches Greys also watches Station 19, or if they are just trying to force the issue with all these cross-over stories. But the problem is that for those of us who don't watch Station 19, killing off characters from that show on Grey's has no emotional impact, whatsoever. They might as well be random characters who wandered into the hospital. And if I watch Station 19 but not Grey's, I would resent the fact that characters from my show died on some other show. I'm still pissed that DeLuca was killed off on another show. (I know he actually died on this show but whatever happened to him happened on that other show.)

I watched one episode of Station 19 when it first came out and that was enough for me.  Total soap opera.  Yeah, Grey's is a soap, but at least there were interesting characters in the beginning.  I found the Station 19 characters very cliched.  So no, I won't be watching no matter how much you try to force me.

 

9 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I only know the character's name and that they are non-binary because I read this forum. It has not been made clear on the show. I just assumed she was a lesbian. I'm guessing the reason people know this is a non-binary character is because they read it somewhere else. 

I realize they have established that Amelia is somewhere in the middle of the Kinsey scale, but this show has gone this route far too often with its female characters, and I find it a rather dangerous message that reinforces the idea that women can "choose" to be non-hetero, usually after a failed relationship with a man. You know what would be far more interesting? If it were Linc who was interested in this new doctor. Now that's a story.

I only knew she was non-binary because in her introduction, their pronouns were used.  But I 100% agree with the bolded above.  It is not a choice and they seem to show that with nearly all of their female characters.  Arizona is the only one I remember that didn't bounce from guy to gal.

This episode was a total snoozefest.  Someone died, people were supposed to be sad, but who the hell was he?

Megan barging into the surgery was ridiculous.  They should have stood there with their hands in the air until she got the hell out.  Looks like they're pushing McIrish and Megan together, which is blah.  McIrish with Jo is much better.

Speaking of Jo, go find a bottle of hair dye.  And stay away from Link.  Be his friend, that's all.

Ben agreeing to take someone's kid without discussing it with Bailey?  Does he even know his wife?  How is he not scared out of his everloving mind?  But yeah, unless it's in writing, that kid is gone.  And Bailey will get pissed because she'll get completely attached in 2 days.

Edited November 13, 2021 by madmax

[SoMuchTV]

21 minutes ago, madmax said:

watched one episode of Station 19 when it first came out and that was enough for me.  Total soap opera.  Yeah, Grey's is a soap, but at least there were interesting characters in the beginning.  I found the Station 19 characters very cliched.  So no, I won't be watching no matter how much you try to force me.

I watched a few more episodes than you did but I can’t argue too much. I just want to note, for any Hamilton fans, Miller (the s19 character who died)=Hercules Mulligan. It took me way too long to figure that out!

[bybrandy]

20 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

And what is with this non binary character? If I am supposed to call them "they" or "them," then how come "they" referred to themselves as "I" instead of "we?" How much more controlling can people get? I feel like if I don't get this stuff right I might be denied a seat on the bus. It's so confusing.  

Non binary people aren't plural.  It is the singular they/them.  And you don't get kicked off the bus for making a mistake.  You get kicked off the bus for deliberately misgendering people because you can't be assed to care. (the generic you).

 

8 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

Not sure why Amelia would be in love with them, it seems like they had very little time together.

I think we've seen that Amelia is attracted to them.  I'm not sure I've seen any indication at all that Amelia is ready to pick out china and march down the aisle.   

7 hours ago, Lovecat said:

 Kai is a PhD, I believe, and Amelia a physician, so perhaps their paths crossed in postgraduate studies?  IDK, all I remember is that Amelia kept hitting the THEY really hard during that monologue, so we, the audience, would pick up on Kai's non-binary identification without it having to be explicitly explained.  A very awkward example of "show, don't tell." 

In fairness I don't think that is terribly unusual..  She hit the they a bit comically hard but in general among people I know if somebody makes a wrong assumption based on gender based on appearances somebody in the know will make a point to properly gender them in conversation and if you are one of the people who just made a mistake and aren't actively trying to be obtuse you make a mental note "Oh, maybe the person we are discussing prefers they/them pronouns.  Let me either ask them or at least make a mental note to pay attention to their pronouns going forward."

Although you don't have to be significantly younger than I am to announce your pronouns upon meeting and they are often found on your social media about pages and often when people put their names in zoom or in a messenger like chat they will also put their pronouns.   

 

[iMonrey]

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I only knew she was non-binary because in her introduction, their pronouns were used.  

I did not catch that. And I'm willing to bet a lot of the audience didn't notice either.

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  But I 100% agree with the bolded above.  It is not a choice and they seem to show that with nearly all of their female characters.  Arizona is the only one I remember that didn't bounce from guy to gal.

And they have never done that with a male character who is introduced as straight. I guess that's because this show is basically aimed at women like most soaps so the male characters are all fantasy figures and they're not interested in showing their male characters as equally fluid.

[KaveDweller]

4 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

I did not catch that. And I'm willing to bet a lot of the audience didn't notice either.

And they have never done that with a male character who is introduced as straight. I guess that's because this show is basically aimed at women like most soaps so the male characters are all fantasy figures and they're not interested in showing their male characters as equally fluid.

Glasses was introduced as straight. Didn't he even sleep with Jo at one point? And then turned to Ortho guy later on.

[SoMuchTV]

1 hour ago, bybrandy said:

21 hours ago, Chewy101 said:

 

Non binary people aren't plural.  It is the singular they/them.  And you don't get kicked off the bus for making a mistake.  You get kicked off the bus for deliberately misgendering people because you can't be assed to care. (the generic you).

I’m not a linguist, but I’ve gotta say, “they” does a lot of heavy lifting. There’s the “standard” usage, for more than one person, there’s the usage for a person of unknown gender (“someone left their umbrella at the bar “), there’s the weasely usage of my kid (“I’m going to meet my friend at the mall and their mom is giving me a ride home”), and yes, there’s the usage that refers to someone who doesn’t identify as “he” or “she”. I’m okay with all that. 

But that said, I’m another viewer who didn’t catch that the character in question was non-binary, until I saw it mentioned here. 

Edited November 13, 2021 by SoMuchTV

[iMonrey]

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Glasses was introduced as straight. Didn't he even sleep with Jo at one point? And then turned to Ortho guy later on.

He was closeted man who came to terms with his sexuality. That's not the same as having McDreamy or McSteamy or McWhatever going from women to men and maybe back again. None of the "hunks" are every bi or fluid. But all the hot women? Fair game for anyone.

Edited November 13, 2021 by iMonrey

[KaveDweller]

4 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

He was closeted man who came to terms with his sexuality. That's not the same as having McDreamy or McSteamy or McWhatever going from women to men and maybe back again.

Closeted usually implied a person knows they are gay and is hiding it. That's not really what happened with Glasses. He thought he was straight and realized he was gay. Which is not so different than Callie realizing she was bi.

I agree, it isn't the same as someone going back and forth. There haven't been any male bisexual or pansexual characters (yet).

[PepSinger]

13 hours ago, Laurie4H said:

But was it mentioned she was non binary?  She looks like a woman so Amelia probably looks at her like she is a woman.  Unless I missed something.  

They. Their pronouns are they/them, not she/her. It doesn’t matter if they “look like a woman,” which is subjective anyway. They aren’t a woman.

I am sick of these crossovers! @Daisy said it perfectly. Who the hell are these people, and why should I care?

I appreciated Meredith setting Eyebrows straight. His daughter is a consenting adult; stop acting like a child. 
 

Loved seeing Koracick again.

The Ben/Bailey plot line is ludicrous. Guardianship is not expressed through a verbal agreement, for fuck’s sake.

Edited November 13, 2021 by PepSinger

[marceline]

I see assertions that Amelia and Linc were broken up for a political agenda but I don't get that. Amelia and Linc always had issues and those were exacerbated during COVID when Linc started talking about wanting to have lots of kids. They were broken up because that's what the show does. IMO, this flirtation with Kai is just Amelia being tossed at a new relationship because that's also what this show does when its trying to find a new story for a character. It finds them a new character then pushes them together. It's just like they broke up Riggs and Megan so they can throw her at McWidow. 

I cosign the frustration at the crossover. This show already has enough characters I don't care about. We don't need to borrow more from another show.

I've always found Owen's PTSD storylines tedious but this is the first time I've laughed. It seemed like Owen was on a bad acid trip more than anything.

Edited November 13, 2021 by marceline